Eldar Rumour Titbits

[Archon Charybdis]

He wrote the 3rd ed Eldar codex and was a co-author on the Craftworld Eldar codex.

[bfmusashi]

I can't find the author of the Eldar list for Rogue Trader in the Compilation, maybe it's in the original White Dwarf. I tossed mine about ten years ago during a series of moves, but being the age of the internet I'm sure someone has a copy.

[DanTheGameMan]

Man, I thought Natfka was supposed to get a temp site up by today and have some juicy, tender rumors for us??


Ultra disappoint :(

[Eldar_Atog]

He wrote the 3rd ed Eldar codex and was a co-author on the Craftworld Eldar codex.

Yes, as I mentioned in my previous post..he wrote the 3rd edition book. The problem is that the 3rd edition book and the Craftworld Eldar book are the sparest of the Eldar codexes. You get the barest description of each unit... the Warlocks don't even get a sentence. Just their stats and powers.

That's why I linked him more to his Path books than the codexes. There's plenty of meat in the 3 novels. The 2 codexes that he is credited for are anorexic in comparison. It might be that Gav Thorpe wrote all the internal fluff that the other codex writers used... but I can't verify that.

[colinsherlow]

It seems most if not all of these rumours are speculation and not actually rumours. :-( sad face

I need me some real elder info! STAT!!!!

[Zachar]

that is nice and how about some Eldar rumours ??

[Eldur]

No rumours? Wishlisting! :D

Warlocks 2A!!! (then I won't care if Farseers take 1 or 2) they are Psyker-warriors!!
Wraithlords 3A ...you know 2A in a MC is no-way-but-hey-twice-as-Eldrad-:(

BTW... I somewhere heared about guardians getting a portable energy shield, which would be AWESOME

[Zachar]

nahh that was posted by ghost21 or sth on warseer, that dude then said he made everything up....

[Mysterion]

I don't have a 1st edition Eldar codex. Did Gav Thorpe write that one too?

First edition didn't have codexes. Eldar were just one of dozens of Xenos that were around back then. They were just lucky enough to stay in the the game henceforth unlike Squats, Zoats, 40k Beastmen etc...

[Alqualonde]

emanciated five year old girls! :p

Is that a new word for an underfed youngster who has adult legal powers?

[Mr Mystery]

It was meant to be emaciated, but I spazzed the spelling!

[bfmusashi]

First edition didn't have codexes. Eldar were just one of dozens of Xenos that were around back then. They were just lucky enough to stay in the the game henceforth unlike Squats, Zoats, 40k Beastmen etc...

To clarify for the kids who don't remember the White Dwarf of yesteryear. The Eldar had a full army list in Rogue Trader initially published in White Dwarf and collected in the Warhammer 40k Compilation. They had more development put in than any other xenos and, I'd argue, the Imperial Army. So, if by codex one means a developed army list crammed with fluff then Eldar, Orks, and Marines were codified in Rogue Trader, if you mean an actual stand alone codex that says Codex then those didn't start until 2nd.

[Andersp90]

First, I'm not sure that webpage advertisement is really admissible canon. Second, the only plural antecedent noun in this passage for "their" to refer to is Warlocks. The sentence "At some point in their lifetime they have all walked the Path of the Warrior, making them a fearsome combination of warrior and psychic, a combination that few enemy psykers can hope to best" is talking about Warlocks.

I read that as if it is the whole group, farseer + warlocks.

But you might be right. :)


Shouldn't the Eldar teaser go up today?

[gresha]

Shouldn't the Eldar teaser go up today?

In theory yes. Teaser is usually 1 week before preorder/WD which is 1 week before release. Teaser should be out today if Eldar are coming June 1.

[Andersp90]

In theory yes. Teaser is usually 1 week before preorder/WD which is 1 week before release. Teaser should be out today if Eldar are coming June 1.

I'm not tense at all..

[Denour]

I'm not tense at all..

Todays WNT video brought to you by some space marine novel. Sad panda.

[DrLove42]

Video trailers are usually just the week before aren't they? Starting the Saturday or the Monday

[bigwilko17]

if you check out the dates for previous teaser videos on white dwarf daily they are on the monday before the white dwarf release

[Eldar_Atog]

Video trailers are usually just the week before aren't they? Starting the Saturday or the Monday

The Tau video was posted on Monday, March 25th. The White Dwarf preview(Tau issue) was posted on Friday, March 29th.

[Andersp90]

Todays WNT video brought to you by some space marine novel. Sad panda.

No fankwank today then.

Sad, sad panda indeed...


The Tau video was posted on Monday, March 25th. The White Dwarf preview(Tau issue) was posted on Friday, March 29th.

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21400000/ngbbs4c2e9d3c449ab.jpg

[gresha]

The Tau video was posted on Monday, March 25th. The White Dwarf preview(Tau issue) was posted on Friday, March 29th.

Woops. You're both right. My bad.

[Eldar_Atog]

Woops. You're both right. My bad.

No worries. I thought it was going to post today until I looked through GW's website :)

[Zachar]

could You give the link to the site where last trailers have been posted ???

[Andersp90]

could You give the link to the site where last trailers have been posted ???

www.Warhammer.co.uk

[Zachar]

on the main site ?????

[Andersp90]

on the main site ?????

4062

[Eldar_Atog]

on the main site ?????

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp

You'll have to click on the "Older Posts" link a few times to get to the Tau video.

[eldannardo]

Wraithguard no longer on GW Australia website

[deinol]

Wraithguard no longer on GW Australia website

That would seem to make the rumor of a new Wraithguard plastic box highly likely.

[GrauGeist]

Wraithguard no longer on GW Australia website

Not definitive - GW loves to mess with Oz / NZ.

[Sonikgav]

That would seem to make the rumor of a new Wraithguard plastic box highly likely.

I do hope this is true. Ive been wanting to run a Wraithguard army for years as a Showpiece but could never justify the cost of the metals/finecasts in the numbers I want.

Of course it undoubtedly means theyre gonna be good to sell the new kits so everyone and their dog is gonna be runnung Wraithguard and ill look like any other bandwagoner lol

[Andersp90]

I do hope this is true. Ive been wanting to run a Wraithguard army for years as a Showpiece but could never justify the cost of the metals/finecasts in the numbers I want.

Of course it undoubtedly means theyre gonna be good to sell the new kits so everyone and their dog is gonna be runnung Wraithguard and ill look like any other bandwagoner lol

Mmmmhhhh, a wraithguard army lead by a wraithseer and supported by wraithlords and wraithknights.....

http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/drooling_homer-712749.gif2.png

[Mkvenner]

Mmmmhhhh, a wraithguard army lead by a wraithseer and supported by wraithlords and wraithknights.....

http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/drooling_homer-712749.gif2.png

Oh my thoughts exactly. I am craving for a Ghost Warrior army. I want them Wraith-constructs.

[Andersp90]

Oh my thoughts exactly. I am craving for a Ghost Warrior army. I want them Wraith-constructs.

Let's hope it will also be a viable strat/list, and not just a cool/good looking one. :)

The current WG rules are pretty meh'. :(

[DanTheGameMan]

still available on the Canadian store, so not sure what's up there
(though I would definitely like to believe it's a sign of plastic kits!)

[deinol]

still available on the Canadian store, so not sure what's up there
(though I would definitely like to believe it's a sign of plastic kits!)

Even assuming they halted production six months ago (I have no idea how often GW produces batches of minis), it would take a long time to sell out existing stock. But when one warehouse runs out it doesn't make sense to restock it. Especially a warehouse on the other side of the world.

Of course, being Australia it could just be a temporary outage while a crate makes its way on a slow boat.

[Mkvenner]

Let's hope it will also be a viable strat/list, and not just a cool/good looking one. :)

The current WG rules are pretty meh'. :(

Their function for me is going to be a headache delivery system/mobile cover, most likely. As long as they don't end up costing more or becoming less effective, I can see myself at least taking a unit anyways. Always had a soft spot for the 'baby-Wraithlords.'

[Maxis Lithium]

Let's just hope Wraith Guard can still be moved to troops. I have bad bad feelings about Troop Wraith guard and troop jet bikes...

[GrauGeist]

Let's just hope WraithGuard can still be moved to troops.

If it requires an overpriced Spiritseer Special Character like the other FOC movers, WG Troops probably won't be an issue. Besides being tough, WG really don't do that much. And the army would have very low model count, so not a lot of ability to absorb wounds.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

put me down as one of those people that would love a Wraith army too, always liked the look of that stuff but I want plastic. It shouldnt be too long now till we start seeing WD leaks and stuff though.

[Learn2Eel]

Well if my prediction rings true (Wraithguard Troops, Wraithlord Elites, Wraithknight Heavy Support) then I will likely be all over a Wraith army. The only thing that stopped me from starting one over the past two years has been the cost.

[Mysterion]

Remember that Australia and New Zealand are like the first countiries to see the sun rise, so thier store is the one to watch. The jetbikes are still there though :(

[Mkvenner]

If you mean the preorders, that's next weekend I believe. This weekend should be some tidbits from the WD from people if they got it. Though I assume they get that next week too. Just will have to wait another week to get the rumours.

[Zachar]

hmm shining spears are not available, but then again how long are they missing ?? I can not recall If I ever saw them there or I was just not paying any attention to them

[Freakeh]

Soooo looking forward to running a wraith based army!!

[LostInTheDark]

hmm shining spears are not available, but then again how long are they missing ?? I can not recall If I ever saw them there or I was just not paying any attention to them

Nah, they were moved to a bits pack as some point

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440245a&prodId=prod1710006a

I have to say for me the lack of rumours is actually a nice change. By the time that I got the Dark Angels and High Elf books I already knew most of the rules which kind of took away from the pleasure of opening a new book and sitting down to find out what's what.

[Zachar]

I have to say for me the lack of rumours is actually a nice change. By the time that I got the Dark Angels and High Elf books I already knew most of the rules which kind of took away from the pleasure of opening a new book and sitting down to find out what's what.

true that :)

[Chosen One]

I hate it...
And if you don't want to know the rumours you can choose not to read on these sites :)

[Zachar]

the temptation is tooo big :) just like the drugs :)

[LostInTheDark]

I hate it...
And if you don't want to know the rumours you can choose not to read on these sites :)

I never said I had a choice, been in this game way too long to manage any restraint :)

[Andersp90]

Their function for me is going to be a headache delivery system/mobile cover, most likely. As long as they don't end up costing more or becoming less effective, I can see myself at least taking a unit anyways. Always had a soft spot for the 'baby-Wraithlords.'

I hope they will receive a buff, and are moved to the troops section.

Buffing the wraithcannon to 18", assault 2 would be nice.

- letting them take a bright lance would be even better. :p

[Mkvenner]

I hope they will receive a buff, and are moved to the troops section.

Buffing the wraithcannon to 18", assault 2 would be nice.

- letting them take a bright lance would be even better. :p

Amen. If their Wraith D-cannon got a range boost like that I would be happy. 24" range and I would be a giddy goat.

[Dalleron]

18" would be nice, assault 2 would be super. 24" would be way OTT, especially if they keep the same mechanic.

[kaldanesh]

i could also see them being blast to echo their d-cannon counter-part but that would mean no overwatch. there was mention of weapon options for both shooting and CC variants. a d-cannon with 18" range could be cool while the other weapon could be a multi-shot or flame weapon. (star rifles or something?) sorry to speculate, gotta pass time somehow while we wait for pics to surface.

[Mkvenner]

Nothing wrong with that. It's been quite a wait. We were fortunate to get the Farseer early on, but seeing as how it's only 7 days until preorders it's surprising that we have not gotten even a peep.

Might as well pass the time some how. I've been feverishly checking all of the rumor sites... even 4chan.

[DanTheGameMan]

Natfka's temp blog is up (faeit.blogspot.com), and right off the bat he's got some bad news:

apparently GW is huuuugely behind on their production schedule. an informant told him that his retailer still hasn't even been able to stock High elves, and was told by their GW rep to "not to expect any of the Eldar in the first 2 weeks of their release."

Really upsetting news :(

(but at least on the bright side, Faeit is back!)

[Sonikgav]

Would seem to make sense considering people, both Suppliers and Direct customers are still struggling to get hold of Riptides never mind the new releases.

I kinda expected this with how much theyve accelerated the release shchedule.

[Mysterion]

Stockists in my area are full of High Elf stuff. They are only out of Riptides and Broadsides because they are so popular and they get snapped up within a day of a new shipment.

[Andersp90]

I have some new information!

The wraithknight will look like a massive wraithseer.

There will also be an Iyanden supplement codex! :)

[Bitrider]

I have some new information!

The wraithknight will look like a massive wraithseer.

There will also be an Iyanden supplement codex! :)

You sly dog. Where ever do you get your information. :P

[Tyrendian]

yeah who knows where he got that bit :D

[Andersp90]

You sly dog. Where ever do you get your information. :P

Sry, but I have to keep the identity of my sources a secret to protect them. :P

[Barrows]

http://www.3plusplus...eats/#more-6909 This is the new knight and apparently two codex for the eldar... On the right the flyer too

[Andersp90]

http://www.3plusplus...eats/#more-6909 This is the new knight and apparently two codex for the eldar... On the right the flyer too

There is alredy a 10 page post about it in the rumors section. ;)

[Denour]

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?_requestid=136709

Video is up!

[DrLove42]

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?_requestid=136709

Video is up!

Least Cryptic "Sneak" video ever. Usually its just noise and a few random backdrops, here its full on new artwork showing them off....

[Denour]

Yeah. Btw, is it just me or are they reducing the number of fingers the Eldar have from 4 to 3? The Firedragon art in the video is old and he still has four fingers but it seems like the Farseer ones new and he has 3. Wraithknight also has 3.

Maybe I just need more coffee...

[eldargal]

Plastic Farseer has four fingers:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dz1SdrHGm8s/UXIXOJhC59I/AAAAAAAAWKg/yfMnz72nbUw/s1600/image.jpeg

[Andersp90]

Plastic Farseer has four fingers:


Five* fingers. ;)

[calamitycal]

I gotta say I am so stoked for this codex. I feel like the Eldar have been a shadow of themselves since 2ed. 3rd edition pretty much ripped away the Eldar's uniqueness and 4th was basically just a copy/paste of 3rd. I am really hoping we see some exciting stuff in addition to the new units, like unique rules for deathspinners, fielding harlequins as a full army, and more. I don't expect all of that, and certainly nothing like 2e (we won't get pirates or exodites likely) but at least enough to really make the Eldar stand out like they used to.

Those who never played 2ed Eldar don't realize just how massive the choices were in that codex compared to what we've had the last 2 codexes.

[Denour]

Plastic Farseer has four fingers:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dz1SdrHGm8s/UXIXOJhC59I/AAAAAAAAWKg/yfMnz72nbUw/s1600/image.jpeg

Awesome I have thrown on another pot of coffee, crisis averted. =P

[eldargal]

Five* fingers. ;)
Four fingers + thumb.

[Andersp90]

Four fingers + thumb.

The thumb isen't a finger? :p

- I know what you mean. :)

[Andersp90]

Four fingers + thumb.

The thumb isn't a finger? :p

- I know what you mean. :)

[eldargal]

All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.:P

[Warpspider89]

5 phalanges. There that settles it. haha.

[Eldar_Atog]

The geek in me is bouncing off the walls right now. Went to see the awesome Star Trek movie on Saturday, the wraith knight/white dwarf popped out on Sunday, and now the Eldar teaser video.

Just 3 weeks (June 8) till I can pickup my codex and suppliment... Plus new models in the weeks afterward :)

[roughneck0]

Anybody thinking Firefox here? I must be super old now...

[Deadlift]

5 phalanges. There that settles it. haha.

I prefer Digits ;)

[Deadlift]

Anybody thinking Firefox here? I must be super old now...

You and me both :)

[biffster666]

I've seen a lot of back and forth about the toughness of the Wraithlord and Wraithknight...Wraithlord going as low as T6(gah!) and the Wraithknight being T8. What I haven't seen in this thread yet(no I haven't viewed all 108pgs folks) is the idea it's the first codex 'Super' Heavy...roll that around in your brain a little, and I'll get back to it shortly.

I just measured my Revenant Titan that one leg is almost as straight up and down as the leg of the Revenant Titan with sonic lances pictured on the Forge World site. Even being super generous it's 13" from the bottom of it's foot to the point of it's helm. It's resin with very little detail and costs $304. The Knight is plastic and looks pretty detailed. If it's really 8-9" tall then $115 is a bargin, oh what a bargin for me. Looking at the Revenant Titan stats I could see the Knight being WS 3, BS 4, 12 armor F/S 10 R, 2 structure points (6 Hull points), I 2, A 1, a 2+/4++(maybe even 3++) save and only 1D6 armor pen in both shooting and assault phases regardless of Melta/Ordanance/Armorbane. Counts as two heavy support or maybe even the infamous 0-1, heh heh. If the info I've seen about the 10/1 and 8/2 versions of the 'pulsar lance' are correct and you can add any 2 Eldar heavy weapon where what looks like 2 scatter lasers are mounted in the WD picture of the Knight, then seeing it square off against 2 Land Raiders would be interesting. Wouldn't be surprised if it clocks in at 400-500pts and definitely closer to 500 if it's 2+/3++.

Things that make you say, hhhmmm? Or possible cry out "say it ain't so!!" heh heh

It's all good!

[Tyrendian]

I've seen a lot of back and forth about the toughness of the Wraithlord and Wraithknight...Wraithlord going as low as T6(gah!) and the Wraithknight being T8. What I haven't seen in this thread yet(no I haven't viewed all 108pgs folks) is the idea it's the first codex 'Super' Heavy...roll that around in your brain a little, and I'll get back to it shortly.

I just measured my Revenant Titan that one leg is almost as straight up and down as the leg of the Revenant Titan with sonic lances pictured on the Forge World site. Even being super generous it's 13" from the bottom of it's foot to the point of it's helm. It's resin with very little detail and costs $304. The Knight is plastic and looks pretty detailed. If it's really 8-9" tall then $115 is a bargin, oh what a bargin for me. Looking at the Revenant Titan stats I could see the Knight being WS 3, BS 4, 12 armor F/S 10 R, 2 structure points (6 Hull points), I 2, A 1, a 2+/4++(maybe even 3++) save and only 1D6 armor pen in both shooting and assault phases regardless of Melta/Ordanance/Armorbane. Counts as two heavy support or maybe even the infamous 0-1, heh heh. If the info I've seen about the 10/1 and 8/2 versions of the 'pulsar lance' are correct and you can add any 2 Eldar heavy weapon where what looks like 2 scatter lasers are mounted in the WD picture of the Knight, then seeing it square off against 2 Land Raiders would be interesting. Wouldn't be surprised if it clocks in at 400-500pts and definitely closer to 500 if it's 2+/3++.

Things that make you say, hhhmmm? Or possible cry out "say it ain't so!!" heh heh

It's all good!

One thing immediately makes me say "hmmm" - since when do vehicles (which you assume the Wraithknight to be) have armour saves? :D
Also, I highly doubt it being super heavy! There are no rules for that in the BRB, so they can't very well put such things into a codex!

[Deadlift]

I just ordered yellow airbrush paint :o

[bfmusashi]

One thing immediately makes me say "hmmm" - since when do vehicles (which you assume the Wraithknight to be) have armour saves? :D
Also, I highly doubt it being super heavy! There are no rules for that in the BRB, so they can't very well put such things into a codex!

Off the top of my head, Bjorn and the Ravenwing commander on Sableclaw.

[biffster666]

A cheap example of the Invulnerable save on vehicles are Flicker Fields and they are 10pts(?) each for a 5++ on a f#$%(!g Openned topped skimmer you're dropping 2d6 arm pen shots on!

As for the Wraithknight...I could see the BS being 3 and then it's a 3++ save and definitely pushing 500pts.


Also, I highly doubt it being super heavy! There are no rules for that in the BRB, so they can't very well put such things into a codex!

If you look in your BRB you'll find a statement that basically says anything in a specific codex overrules the BRB.

[Mr Mystery]

All Daemon Engines/vehicles have a 5+ Invulnerable save on account of being Daemons and all, so there is a pretty wide precdent.

Also doubting Super Heavy. Granted Codecies do often introduce new mechanics...but that's a pretty hefty one not to put into a generalised supplment....

[DarkLink]

Guy on dakka claims to have seen the battle rep in the new WD:


- From what I saw all the non Wraith infantry have the run/shoot shoot/run ability (the rule was called Battle something). Avengers definitely do (from the report) and Rangers definitely do (from tiny printed profile in the WD) as well. Not sure if its just for Shuriken weapons (Rangers do have Pistols I guess).
- It looks likes all Eldar have the 'Ancient Foe' special rule, no idea what this does but I suspect its something like Hatred Daemons of Slaneesh (don't think it was Necron related as the report was against Crons) since all Eldar appear to have it (including the Wraith units).
- There are 14 Eldar specific psychic powers from 2 different charts, Runes of Battle and Runes of Fate. However it looks like several of the powers are 2 in 1, i.e they have a buff mode and a debuff mode, so there are actually HEAPS of powers. I.e the Primaris for Battle is Conceal/Reveal (as a single card/roll etc), Conceal gives you Shrouded and Reveal removes Shrouded from an enemy. The 1 on the Battle Chart was Destructor/Renew(?), Destructor being the same as before with Soul Blaze added and Renew allowing you to restore a wound to a friendy model within range (18" I think). Primaris for Runes of Fate was Guide, which is now 24" range but is otherwise the exact same as before. Very surprising to see this as aside from the range it is far worse than the Divination Primaris (although I guess you could take both and effectively Guide two units). The 1 on the Fate Chart was a terrible Focuses Witchfire power. Fortune and Doom are still options (the Farseer in the report had them) and appear to have the same effects.
- The Avatar has Fleet. Also one of the psychic powers increases your movement speed/charge range somehow
- The Wraithknight is insanely huge, it is literally twice the height of a Wraithlord, and the sword option it can take is basically the size of a Wraithlord as well. It can take up to 2 Suncannons, which are S6 AP2 Heavy 3 Small Blast or up to 2 Wraithlances(?) which are presumably the heavy anti tank option. Sword replaces one of the big guns I think (they are arm mounted like the Titans). This is in addition to the two shoulder mounted heavy weapons (I saw Scatters and Starcannons, so presumably the normal range of heavy weapons are available)
- Wraithguard and Wraithblades look good, think scaled down Wraithlords. They looked a bit bigger than the old ones, but I think it was partly just the added range of motion in the poses on 40mm bases (similar to the old 25mm base Terminators vs the newer 40mm base ones, they are bigger but the better poses help as well). Wraithguard can now get either Wraithcannons (which from the fluff descriptions seemed to still be single shot and very powerful) or D Scythes which were described as a multi shot weapon but it could still Pen vehicles on a 6. Wraithblades are only 1A base (sadly) but looked like they could go either 2 CCW(no idea on stats of their weapons, but they appeared to have sword/axe options) or 1 CCW + Shield gen arm.
- Wraithguard are definitely S5 T6, Lord is almost certainly not T6 (a full unit of Destroyers shot one in the report and did nothing, which suggests T8 or some other equivalent buff). No idea on the stats for the Knight.
- It looks like Aspect Warriors have the same base profile, include Exarches with Ld9
- Reapers have Slow and Purposeful
- Rangers have WS4. They also have a character (not sure if he is upgrade or HQ) who has a 120" range Sniper Rifle.
- One of the fliers has 2 Heavy D Scythes on the wings and a psychic based main gun. The other has 2 Bright Lances and a Pulse Laser.
- Saw stats for what looked like special weapons for characters, might have been for Special Characters as well since the 120" range sniper was in there. One weapon was +2S, AP- Melee, Rending, Fleshbane, Instant Death. Another was +1S AP3, Soul Blaze, and if you killed anything with Soul Blaze then every unit within 6" of that unit would become effected by Soul Blaze as well. There was also a one use only piece of wargear, which you could use when the character died. On a 2+ you place a S4 AP3 template over the character, hitting both friend and foe, but if you cause at least 1 wound then the character stands back up with 1 wound. Last one I saw was an item which gave the user Fearless, Shrouded, Stealth and re-roll cover saves but they lose the IC rule, which gives people a way to make a Solitare (the name was something to do with the Laughing God).

[DrLove42]

120" sniper rifle. Cos F**K you Railguns....

DAYM

If that stuff is true, i'm looking forward to it. The stuff sounds good, the ruules sound good...

Roll on Saturday...


Also it won't be a superheavy. I'm not sure its even going to be a vehicle...rumours put it at 300pts. Thats a lot of points for a single model thats likely killed in one shot by a lascannon (the landraider is equivilnet - and has transport, higher armour all round, PotMS, etc etc...)

[Hendarion]

DrLove42, you are aware the 120" is only for one special character, not for all sniper rifles, aren't you?
Also, you'd need an apoc-like table to outrange most other long-range-weapons with it.

[biffster666]

The Wraithknight is insanely huge, it is literally twice the height of a Wraithlord, and the sword option it can take is basically the size of a Wraithlord as well. It can take up to 2 Suncannons, which are S6 AP2 Heavy 3 Small Blast or up to 2 Wraithlances(?) which are presumably the heavy anti tank option. Sword replaces one of the big guns I think (they are arm mounted like the Titans). This is in addition to the two shoulder mounted heavy weapons (I saw Scatters and Starcannons, so presumably the normal range of heavy weapons are available)

If this is true, but it's


Also it won't be a superheavy. I'm not sure its even going to be a vehicle...rumours put it at 300pts. Thats a lot of points for a single model thats likely killed in one shot by a lascannon (the landraider is equivilnet - and has transport, higher armour all round, PotMS, etc etc...)

A land raider is 'likely' to one shot , but it's worth 300pts to field, and worth $115 GW is going to ask if you want to own one? T8 with a 3+/5++???, It would need to be T10 and 2+/4++ if not 3++ otherwise it better be a 'super' heavy, heck just list it as 6 hull pts instead of evening listing it at 2 structure pts and it still takes up 2 HS choices. Otherwise I'll definitely pass. The only things I'll preorder for sure are half a dozen Spiritseers. Maybe the LE Codex and hopefully a HC Supplement so I don't have to go digital quite yet.

IMO of course, heh heh. It's all good!

Edit...

If the 120" range Sniper Rifle doesn't have special ammo with Armor pen like the Vindy Sniper Rifle minimum and I'd prefer it was 6d6 instead of 4d6 then it's a hassle to deal with at 72" when the longest range any of your wound, eeerrr buddies with similar or even heavy weapons are going to have is a 36-48" range. If he's got 6d6 'vehicle' ammo, and sure his gun is considered S3 against vehicles and similar infintry ammo that's fleshbane/rending and the rending occurs on a 4+ I will max out the number of woun, eeerrr squad mates he can be fielded with and deal with that 84" little bundle of death every game possible! Oh, and don't be afraid to step out of that 6x4 box into the old 8x4 world for a differnt flavor of 40k. It's also a good stepping stone if you're moving from 40k to Apoc or even 30k I imagine.

[Zachar]

well who care for 120" sniper firle just look at this rules:
-shoot then run ??? wow please please let it be this way not run and shoot
-warger that give You 4+ cover save and reroll to all covers ???
-ability to make an Yriel blast and get back to life ??

this is soooo coool :)

oh and do not forgot about multi shoot weapon that on 6 allows You to PEN vehicles, necrons will be crying:)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

wana10 on dakka dakka posted these :

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6320/1369141601555.jpg

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9240/1369141360725.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg

[bfmusashi]

Alas, the Eldar get a better version of Like the Wind. I suppose it's time the Guard stopped bragging about its mobility.
From beyond the veil of death the Wraithguard have returned to axe some questions.

[eldargal]

So what was it some people were saying about the flyer looking like Dark Eldaresque?:rolleyes:

Those are beautiful.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg
I'd hit it.

[Mr Mystery]

So what was it some people were saying about the flyer looking like Dark Eldaresque?:rolleyes:

Those are beautiful.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg
I'd hit it.

As would I. But I suspect you didn't mean with 'lots of Tesla'

[DrLove42]

I need it all.

Those Wraithguard are much nicer than what i've got 11 of in metal, so hope the CC version is actually good. Also note the CC Wraithguard have what look like Shimmersheids. Wraithguard with an invulnerable save?

The flier....awesome. Very Razrowingesque, but i'll still hold off buying one till I see rules (generally fliers are either amazing or bollocks)

And that Sniper (assuming hes the character) Daym. I need him

[Defenestratus]

I'll have to see more pics of the plane to get a yay or nay. Right now I'm liking the nightwing/phoenix more.

The Wraithblades look nice though. Might get some of those.

[Grey Mage]

So what was it some people were saying about the flyer looking like Dark Eldaresque?:rolleyes:

Those are beautiful.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9299/1369141751925.jpg
I'd hit it.

And wound on a 4+?


I'll have to see more pics of the plane to get a yay or nay. Right now I'm liking the nightwing/phoenix more.

The Wraithblades look nice though. Might get some of those.
I agree, on both counts, though I might saw off the fiddly bits on the back of their heads.

[eldargal]

The Bomber in all its erotic glory.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5412/1369141322383.jpg
The fighters look much sexiere in this pic:
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2818/1369141469622.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno..the centre mounted weapon...well....it kinda looks like a winky.....

[bfmusashi]

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2818/1369141469622.jpg

Aw, they look sad.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

So glad they made a duel kit where both planes actually _look_ different like the ork kit and not like the Tau and Necron ones which are the exact same model bar very slight differences. Glad each Eldar plane has it's own distinct sillohette.

[Defenestratus]

The fighters look much sexiere in this pic:


Really?

I couldn't think of a more unbecoming pic. The wings on my nightwings droop down because I live in florida in the land of melting resin.

But those seem to embrace droopy wing as a design aesthetic.

So far 0-for-3 on the fliers for me and a 50/50 shot on the Egg-on-Legs.

[eldargal]

Plastic Farseer looks nice painted, too.

[Grey Mage]

It looks like a different model, for example its missing that giant fin....

[DrLove42]

So we just need Spiritseer pics and we've seen the lot now?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Missing the normal Wraithguard too.

[eldargal]

It looks like a different model, for example its missing that giant fin....
The giant fin is the bomber, the one with the side fins is the fighter.

[Anggul]

I always thought it would be awesome to have a Ranger hero. Nice one GW.

Also considering both of the new Wraiths we've seen so far have forcefield projectors, hopefully the Wraithlord will get it too!

[deaddice]

so WAIT are those wraith blades armed with power axes ?? they look just like the old howling banshee exarch with a power axe.

[Mr Mystery]

Wraithblades do look cool. Especially those in the more regal posing. The more actiony? Not so much. But hey, joy of plastics, all down to personal posing taste!

[Lexington]

Dunno..the centre mounted weapon...well....it kinda looks like a winky.....
Y-ep. Looks like the Sons of Khaine outsourced their undercarriage designs to Todd T. Squirrel (http://achewood.com/comic.php?date=01112006).

I hereby dub it...the WraithBoner.

[Deadlift]

Wraithblades do look cool. Especially those in the more regal posing. The more actiony? Not so much. But hey, joy of plastics, all down to personal posing taste!

I will be honest, there's nothing here I don't really like :o

[eldargal]

Spiritseer
http://i.imgur.com/ilqb7ti.jpg

Wraithknight with two guns
http://i.imgur.com/3o36S55.jpg
Arousing.

http://i.imgur.com/8qcZnjw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2ymq1te.jpg

[Eldur]

Thnx people for all these stuff!! Rules and pics all look great right now.

The planes have a birdy theme, I think they will give that impression on the board.
The wraithblades? Awesome. Also base T6 S5+ poweraxes (or Force?) + shields OhMy!!

Can't wait for the codex... Maybe we will be sending roses to Phil kelly after reading it hehe. It sounded so eldar I guess...

[DrLove42]

So the wraithblades can have swords as well? Neat. Choose Power Axes (i assume) which would likey make them around S7....or have 2 power swords for that +1 Attack but lower AP....Dammit if i'm not going to need 2 boxes...

And the Wraithseer is lovely,

And thatpicture of the Knight is much better than the first.

[eldargal]

http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369141957955.jpg
http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369142019547.jpg
http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369142051149.jpg
http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369142188364.jpg

[eldargal]

Those Iyanden Wraithknights look immense. I don't care what anyone says, worth the money.

http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369141564360.jpg

[Tyrendian]

Thnx people for all these stuff!! Rules and pics all look great right now.

The planes have a birdy theme, I think they will give that impression on the board.
The wraithblades? Awesome. Also base T6 S5+ poweraxes (or Force?) + shields OhMy!!

Can't wait for the codex... Maybe we will be sending roses to Phil kelly after reading it hehe. It sounded so eldar I guess...

Wait... elite melee infantry with options for either shields or more offensive weapons, which mainly rely on toughness for survival? we've seen that before... and Necron Lychguard are trash... here's hoping GW does better for Wraithblades... the models are great, almost all of them, except the flier - i'm not quite sold on that one, especially since someone called it WraithBoner :D


Those Iyanden Wraithknights look immense. I don't care what anyone says, worth the money.
seeing them like that, towering over the rest of the world, conviced me too... holy cow that is not much smaller than a Revenant! geebuz...

[DrLove42]

http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369141957955.jpg


Look at eh size of that thing!

The Nightshade has 2 Bright Lances AND a pulse laser. 4 S8 shots a turn. OUCH

Damn now i want some rules to back up these minis

[eldargal]

Also if the Nightshade pilot is indeed an Aspect warrior it should have BS4.

We have entered the 'everything looks better with nicer and btter pictures' phase of the release, huzzah!

[DrLove42]

Lol when pictures start leaking, when it rains it pours.

Problem with the flier is it'll probably be AV10. So unless its got some awesome jinking cover invuln saves it won't get to shoot

[Anggul]

The angle probably accentuates it, but that thing is practically a Revenant! O-o

Also loving the weapon option for the Wraiths, axe+shield, dual swords, wraithcannon and wraithscythe. You can't not love a gun called a wraithscythe. That is sexy.

Also Aspect Warrior pilots, another thing I thought would be cool but never thought they would actually bother with. Schweeeeet.

[Tyrendian]

Lol when pictures start leaking, when it rains it pours.

Problem with the flier is it'll probably be AV10. So unless its got some awesome jinking cover invuln saves it won't get to shoot

I can easily see it having shroud like its FW cousins... but i would be mighty surprised by anything other than AV10 as well... we'll just have to wait and see (and maybe just stock up on Tau allies to kill the quad gun before if shoots, if we even need allies for that...)

Also, just from the description the Hemlock almost sounds like its "Terror Pod" might be passive and not a weapon in the usual sense, don't you think?

[DrLove42]

I'm just loving the sound of the guns.

The D Sythe "that disconnect your life force from your body"

The bomber that "projects the horror of existance into your mind". Although someone has pointed out the Eldar have weaponised a night out in Swindon with that....

[Mr Mystery]

Awwww bumcakes.

I think my ears are starting to go pointy.

Dead, but pointy. It's the Wraithguard models that are doing it. They just have a certain....nobility to their poses.

[eldargal]

I was going to say they had weaponised 4chan.

[Lexington]

http://i.imgur.com/2ymq1te.jpg
:eek:

Dat squad leader...

[Gwyidion]

I like the one in the middle - chilling, with two swords, while a wave of Tyranids close on it.

I'm also excited for plastic wraithguard - I've had so many conversion ideas!

Also VERY excited to learn the rules for the two wraith ranged weapons - it seems one is "powerful single shot" and the other is "multiple shot, less anti-infantry"

Also fascinating to me is that there is no warlock in those shots. I know that those are for cinematic effect, not in-game demonstration, but is it possible that wraith units don't need a babysitter anymore?

[eldargal]

:eek:

Dat squad leader...
Quintessential 'Come at me, bro' pose.:)

[Tyrendian]

:eek:

Dat squad leader...
come at me bro!

Edit: dang, ninja'd by eldargal herself ;)

[DrLove42]

Also fascinating to me is that there is no warlock in those shots. I know that those are for cinematic effect, not in-game demonstration, but is it possible that wraith units don't need a babysitter anymore?

I forget Wraithsight more often than i remember it. So wouldn't make much of a difference to me :P

[Learn2Eel]

Do we know for sure if the Wraithknight is indeed a walker? Would be a big missed opportunity if it is....particularly with the melee weapons. From memory though, some newer monstrous creatures (I think) were referred to as "walkers" as opposed to "monsters" - Riptide? - in the White Dwarf.

Anyway, it all looks amazing. I can't wait to see the codex in the flesh.

Oh my.....the Wraithknight is priced like a Battleforce!?
Oh dear....I'm not going anywhere near that thing if it is $160 AUD, at least not for a long time.
I'm really starting to wonder if it is a 40K-useable super heavy....

[Tyrendian]

Do we know for sure if the Wraithknight is indeed a walker? Would be a big missed opportunity if it is....particularly with the melee weapons. From memory though, some newer monstrous creatures (I think) were referred to as "walkers" as opposed to "monsters" - Riptide? - in the White Dwarf.

Anyway, it all looks amazing. I can't wait to see the codex in the flesh.

Oh my.....the Wraithknight is priced like a Battleforce!?

might be - i don't have a WD handy to check how they describe the Riptide...
and "priced like a Baneblade" is probably the better comparison... which, while being a shock at first sight, does come into perspective a bit when you look at that pic of the Iyanden army... those things tower above the rest almost like true, full scale Titans... so yeah not nice but almost justifiable I'd say... don't think I'll be able to resist the sheer awesome....

[eldargal]

I'm going to convert a Wraithknight to be hurling a rhino.

[Learn2Eel]

That is true, but I look at the Riptide (which is maybe 3/5ths the height) and its price and then at the Wraithknight....hmmm.
Surely it is a super heavy? If it isn't, it had better have some good rules otherwise I can't see them exactly flying off of the shelves. Mind you, collectors will go crazy for it regardless.

Going back to Dire Avengers, I am pretty disappointed about what they have done to the kit. If Guardians (or another Troops choice) are actually worthwhile this time though, it shouldn't be a big problem.

[DrLove42]

I think its going to be a MC.

I hope its going to be a MC

Please dear god let it be a MC

And i severly doubt it'll be a superheavy.

[Gwyidion]

I'm going to convert a Wraithknight to be hurling a rhino.

hahah, possibilities abound. Perhaps about to rhino-drive a prone Calgar fig.

What, thought the Avatar was the Eldar's big bad? Think again.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

All looks good to me, definitely tempted to go back to my first army and do the Wraith army I always wanted. Not sure how i could get rid of the legs and make them look good as floating things though.

[eldargal]

I'm so thrilled that eldar now have what is the largest standard 40k unit in the game. Now give us a codex that restores the power level of the army to what it should be and eldar players should be able to stop b!tching for the first time in seven years.

[Tyrendian]

All looks good to me, definitely tempted to go back to my first army and do the Wraith army I always wanted. Not sure how i could get rid of the legs and make them look good as floating things though.

floating dead warriors? why not Necrons (Destroyers to be precise)? :P

[Learn2Eel]

I think its going to be a MC.

I hope its going to be a MC

Please dear god let it be a MC

And i severly doubt it'll be a superheavy.

If it isn't a super heavy, surely it has to be a monstrous creature. It would be silly if it is a regular walker given it is the same size as a Warhound Titan and is (clever GW) a Knight Titan.
All we can do is hope...

On those rules from Dakka Dakka, the Wraithknight does seem to have some insane firepower. The Suncannons are ludicrously good, each firing three S6 AP2 small blasts - and it can have two of them! I would assume the Wraithlances are two or three shots each at S8/9 AP2/1 (no blast obviously though). Then you add in the pair of shoulder mounted scatter lasers/starcannons/etc....wow, it seems like the Riptide will be feeling the heat.

Of course, if it can take four weapons, unless it has some special rule that overrides the two-weapon limit it is most probably a walker....

[Defenestratus]

I'm so thrilled that eldar now have what is the largest standard 40k unit in the game. Now give us a codex that restores the power level of the army to what it should be and eldar players should be able to stop b!tching for the first time in seven years.

I'm hearing that the WK is indeed a MC - and that Wraithcannons are Str 8 now.

Also those WG/WB models are making my Eldar bits feel funny :P

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

floating dead warriors? why not Necrons (Destroyers to be precise)? :P

The Eldar things are thinner and look like I can make them more abstract (and so actually alien looking) using the parts.

[Learn2Eel]

I'm hearing that the WK is indeed a MC - and that Wraithcannons are Str 8 now.

Also those WG/WB models are making my Eldar bits feel funny :P

That sounds right; I hope it is true! Again though, it can have four ranged weapons; if it is a monstrous creature (by far the best outcome IMO for survivability) then either it will be hamstrung somewhat by taking additional ranged weapons over its two shoulder-mounted ones or it has a special rule clarifying it can fire all of them.

[Gwyidion]

I'm hearing that the WK is indeed a MC - and that Wraithcannons are Str 8 now.

Also those WG/WB models are making my Eldar bits feel funny :P


Same here. S8 wraithcannons is a "nerf", in that it technically makes them weaker (wonder if they're ap2), but they still wound almost anything on a 2.

It definitely decreases their AV, but that would be required if their range was increased.

Their range Defenestratus, their range! anything on that?

[eldargal]

Prelimary review time:

Wraithknight: Love it. Absolutely love it. It's big, its eldar, it's gorgeous and imposing. I love the sword, I love the two cannon option. I think it is one of the finest kits GW have released in years.

Wraithguard/Wraithblades: I've never been the biggest fan of the wraithguard, I felt the models looked too slow and cumbersome even for what are supposed to be slow and cumbersome troops by eldar standards. They needed an update. What they got was a superbly executed plastic revamp. The new weapon options is lovely even if not radically different looking and the Wraithblades are amazing. Very intimidating.

Hemlock Wraithfighter/Nightshade Bomber: I love the fighter, it looks so sleek and hunter-like. Also vaguely duck like I admit, I like ducks. The bomber is very sturdy and scary looking. Very elegant flyers, perhaps not as outstanding as the FW Phoenix but better than the Nightwing. I do think the Razorwing may still be in first place on my list.

Illic Wossname: Very impressive.

Spiritseer: Ah. Well. Very nice, nothing outstanding. Slightly disappointed really, it's not quite as outlandish as the old ghosthelm Farseer model but not as imposing as the new plastic Farseer.

Plastic Farseer: Very nice, but in my opinion a missed opportunity. A plastic copy of an existing Farseer basically, when we could have had something different. Like a female Farseer.

A fantastic release, eclipsing in my estimation even the Vampire Counts release and equalling the Dark Eldar release in quality if not quantity.

[DrLove42]

Unless it subsribes to the War Walker curse, and 2 of the same are twinlinked!

Or maybe it'll have a PotMS style thing where the pilot fires some, and the wraith fires some....

Argh! I need rules! I cna't wait another week and a half

[Gwyidion]

snip

Need more rules, really. But, we won't get those until the codex hits, because all we get from the WD is interpretations of the battle rep.

[Tyrendian]

That sounds right; I hope it is true! Again though, it can have four ranged weapons; if it is a monstrous creature (by far the best outcome IMO for survivability) then either it will be hamstrung somewhat by taking additional ranged weapons over its two shoulder-mounted ones or it has a special rule clarifying it can fire all of them.

good point you make there... hadn't considered it from that point of view... I could imagine the living pilot controlling the main guns/arms with shoulder mounted guns being fired by his dead sibling/co-pilot - maybe at reduced BS? maybe BS2, like for Tau drones or the old Machine Spirits? that would also give the fluff about the two pilots some rules relevance...

[Defenestratus]

Same here. S8 wraithcannons is a "nerf", in that it technically makes them weaker (wonder if they're ap2), but they still wound almost anything on a 2.

It definitely decreases their AV, but that would be required if their range was increased.

Their range Defenestratus, their range! anything on that?

Nothing on that.

[eldargal]

Need more rules, really. But, we won't get those until the codex hits, because all we get from the WD is interpretations of the battle rep.
It's just a review of the models.:)

I read somewhere that the wraithcannon still auto wounds if you roll a certain number (6 i would imagine). Hope that is true, drop to S8 isn't a problem regardless.

[DrLove42]

Or S8 and wounds on a 2 (say Fleshbane) will be great....cos it'll inflict ID nearly all the time :P

[Gwyidion]

Can't believe I didn't think of this before, but in many situations, S8 over SX is actually a buff - the wraithcannon now auto-IDs T4- targets, instead of only on a 6.

[dreyco]

The Eldar things are thinner and look like I can make them more abstract (and so actually alien looking) using the parts.

You could use the guardian weapons platform.

[Learn2Eel]

And it still wounds Trygons and most units in the game on a 2+....ironically the few exceptions are mostly against (Dark) Eldar.

[DrLove42]

Yeah S8 wounds nearly everything on a 2+ anyway. The only exceptions I can think of are;

Iron Armed MC's (and even then still get most of them)
DE Talo (oh no, i wound on a 3+)
C'Tan
Other Wraithlords.

[murgel]

my girlfriend, well her Nids and daemons, will not like this

[eldargal]

So latest rumours are:

Book written by Phil Kelly
Book written by Phil Kelly & Adam Troke.

[DrLove42]

Who's Adam Troke?

[eldargal]

Who's Adam Troke?
He usually writes WFB, he did the 7th edition High Elf book. Not heard of him working on 40k things before, doesn't mean he hasn't of course.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/-oatGPbCSIU/hqdefault.jpg
Troke is the one who is not Phil Kelly or Jes Goodwin.

[Learn2Eel]

Well the rumour going around a few months ago was that Troke had come back to write High Elves, it may be they got it confused with Eldar.....
Given Kelly did Daemons alongside Cruddance, I wouldn't be surprised if it is another joint effort for Eldar.

[bfmusashi]

Spiritseer
http://i.imgur.com/ilqb7ti.jpg

I love you Captain S'up *****es.

[eldargal]

That seems to be it for pictures for now, sadly. I was hoping someone would have had the common decency to take a picture of the Codex release page where it says who the author is.

Also, lol at some of the idiots over on Dakka, sneering at this thread for taking pictures from Dakkadakka when I took them from 4chan which is where they got them from.:rolleyes: Hypocrits. That s***hole is worse than Warseer.

[Brother Garrod]

Odd that there arent any pictures of the jetbikes , i hope to god they havent just repackaged the old ones into a box of three :(

[DrLove42]

I doubt they're new Jetbikes. People need to get over that already

[Anggul]

I doubt they're new Jetbikes. People need to get over that already

Tell that to the poor Saim-Hann players. :P

[bfmusashi]

Tell that to the poor Saim-Hann players. :P
They did this to themselves >.>

[Demonus]

Wait... elite melee infantry with options for either shields or more offensive weapons, which mainly rely on toughness for survival? we've seen that before... and Necron Lychguard are trash... here's hoping GW does better for Wraithblades...

Well just going by comparison, I believe it was stated that the WG/WB were "cheaper" than they are currently, but even assuming not you have the following:

35pts compared to 45pts for Lychguard
Tough 6 compared to Tough 5 for Lychguard
Ability to take Axes meaning Str 6 ap2 compared to Str 5 Ap3 only for Lychguard

So assuming the shield give 4++ save, and that they can ride in a transport to get to the enemy, they dont really seem that bad. GW dropped the ball on the LG by not letting you mix and match WS with Sword and Shield. That unit would have been amazing. I wonder if they did the same thing on the new Wraith Blades. I mean Marines can go LC AND TH/SS in the same unit. Why not Xenos?

[Nightwolf]

That seems to be it for pictures for now, sadly. I was hoping someone would have had the common decency to take a picture of the Codex release page where it says who the author is.

I am really curious to see who the author is myself. The units are also starting to grow on me.


Also, lol at some of the idiots over on Dakka, sneering at this thread for taking pictures from Dakkadakka when I took them from 4chan which is where they got them from.:rolleyes: Hypocrits. That s***hole is worse than Warseer.

Name calling does not behoove you nor does it smile brightly upon BoLS. Civility is a mark of maturity.

[Bitrider]

I like the one in the middle - chilling, with two swords, while a wave of Tyranids close on it.

I'm also excited for plastic wraithguard - I've had so many conversion ideas!

Also VERY excited to learn the rules for the two wraith ranged weapons - it seems one is "powerful single shot" and the other is "multiple shot, less anti-infantry"

Also fascinating to me is that there is no warlock in those shots. I know that those are for cinematic effect, not in-game demonstration, but is it possible that wraith units don't need a babysitter anymore?

I have twenty (yes I know a paltry amount EG, :P) wraithguard hoping there is no longer the babysitter requirement. Now I need to figure out how to bend metal to make them CC viable. :D

[Lexington]

He usually writes WFB, he did the 7th edition High Elf book. Not heard of him working on 40k things before, doesn't mean he hasn't of course.
Wasn't he one of the three authors on the 6th Edition rulebook, with the others being Vetock and Ward?

[Catiline]

'wraithscythe'
GW steal the record for a word in the english language with the most consecutive consonants :)
(And yes, this is probably one of the most boring reflections on the current leaks, but in my defense, I am doing my PhD in linguistics!)

[Wilfen82]

Gonna have to order 2 boxes of wraithguard as a starter they look amazing. Have been waiting years for this.

[Badtucker]

the fact tat eldar already have two monsterous creatures in the army - i really doubt the wraithknight will be one also. would make the wraithlordand avatar pretty redundant in an army balance way. expect a walker ( as its described as) that has armour, but also will have loads of cool rules that help it be survirable. but you know what , doesnt ever stop a land raider being one shotted on the first turn huh! :)

[calamitycal]

Wraithguard, flier, and the HQ models look fantastic. The wings on the flier looks a little odd, but on the whole the model is really pretty.

The Wraithknight still looks awkward (overall just seems like a lazy design, big missed opportunity imo) and seems overpriced. But the worst thing is that price for the Dire Avenger 5 pack. That's insane! Thankfully I don't need anymore and guardians sounds like they will be the way to go anyway.

Biggest worry is they will nerf the Eldar tanks and some aspects (or not upgrade them compared to the new stuff) and effectively make everyone buy up a bunch of wraith stuff. They've done those kinds of shenanigans before, nerfing popular models and creating "demand" for new or under-utilized models. Seems like this codex is going that way.

I'm mostly curious what they do with Banshees.

[Eldur]

I'm going to buy some (if not all) of the new stuff one time or another, but first the codex and then test everything (old and new) before deciding. Definetly, the Wraithknight will be unlocked when I finish painting all my stuff :D

One more thing: What changed in Aspect Warriors, or guardians, apart from the Battlerunshootrun rule and the Sn'P of Dark Reapers?? I want to knoooow!!! (s**t I don't want to wait till the codex is out)

[DanTheGameMan]

All looks good to me, definitely tempted to go back to my first army and do the Wraith army I always wanted. Not sure how i could get rid of the legs and make them look good as floating things though.


what about using the Guardian Heavy Weapons Platform, and use a short flying base?? besides, you get one of those platforms in (almost) any kit with guardians, so if you're doing a big stock-up anyways, you're likely to have a few on your hands

.. might not be the most elegant of conversions, but it's simple, the sizes should match up, the bitz are readily available, and because it's all plastic, posing and detailing will be easy

[BigGrim]

Dear god. It's gonna take a couple of months to buy everything I want. But I will get it all eventually! I cannot believe how big the Knight is!

[Deadlift]

Quote me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have numerous posters in the last few years that kept saying they had seen the new Eldar bikes and they were in boxes on shelves awaiting release ?

I'm not complaining, I really really like this release. The models Eldar are getting really are very very nice. But remembered this jet bike rumour which either is true and they will be in a 2nd wave, or complete arse :)

[Tyrendian]

Quote me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have numerous posters in the last few years that kept saying they had seen the new Eldar bikes and they were in boxes on shelves awaiting release ?

I'm not complaining, I really really like this release. The models Eldar are getting really are very very nice. But remembered this jet bike rumour which either is true and they will be in a 2nd wave, or complete arse :)

not quoting to tell you you're wrong, but there was an idea several pages past that linked all those wraith releases with the Iyanden supplement - which might mean new bikes (and possibly a new tank or something) with an upcoming Saim-Hann supplement - and new Aspects with Biel-Tan. Not saying that's what definitely will happen - just an interesting point to be made imo...

[magickbk]

Quote me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have numerous posters in the last few years that kept saying they had seen the new Eldar bikes and they were in boxes on shelves awaiting release ?

I'm not complaining, I really really like this release. The models Eldar are getting really are very very nice. But remembered this jet bike rumour which either is true and they will be in a 2nd wave, or complete arse :)

For what it's worth, many Eldar rumors as recently as 2 weeks ago said the big Wraith-thing had 4 legs. Just saying, these people make stuff up sometimes, or maybe they add a bunch of junk to the truth to obscure their sources.

[DarkLink]

Wait... elite melee infantry with options for either shields or more offensive weapons, which mainly rely on toughness for survival? we've seen that before... and Necron Lychguard are trash... here's hoping GW does better for Wraithblades... the models are great, almost all of them, except the flier - i'm not quite sold on that one, especially since someone called it WraithBoner :D


seeing them like that, towering over the rest of the world, conviced me too... holy cow that is not much smaller than a Revenant! geebuz...



Well just going by comparison, I believe it was stated that the WG/WB were "cheaper" than they are currently, but even assuming not you have the following:

35pts compared to 45pts for Lychguard
Tough 6 compared to Tough 5 for Lychguard
Ability to take Axes meaning Str 6 ap2 compared to Str 5 Ap3 only for Lychguard


But how many attacks do they have? Pure assault units suck in 6th ed, they have to be very, very fast (assault transports, hit and run, FMC, etc), or very, very choppy (THSS Terminators) and have good durability to reach combat, survive combat, and survive enemy shooting to reach combat again several times.

Wraithguard are pretty durable, but if they're still slow and only have 1A base, they'll either never reach combat, or get stuck in combat, relegating them to killing maybe one unit all game. That's a terrible way to spend ~300pts (assuming they have said weakness and that they're still 35pts per model). Problem is, you can just take shooting options that are flat out better in damage output.

Hopefully, they're cheaper, and it does look like they get 2 CCW so 2A base. If their weapons have good rules (some AP2, wound on a 2+, stuff like that), then they might be pretty good. Also hopefully they've solved the lack of assault transport issue Eldar have in general. We'll see.



I'm going to convert a Wraithknight to be hurling a rhino.

Someone should make one climbing a building and smacking a Valkyrie out of the sky.

[Mkvenner]

My Wraithknight is going to shoot Wraithblades with double swords and have Wraithlords for boosters.

[Wolfrahm]

Smashing a rhino would be cool, even snatching a valkyrie but I think the ultimate would be ripping a hell drake apart and shoving the bale flamer up its, well, you get the idea.

[irvinil]

A fantastic release, eclipsing in my estimation even the Vampire Counts release and equalling the Dark Eldar release in quality if not quantity.

I personally don't share this comparison.

DE release had the merit to remove ALL ugly, old and flat miniatures from the range.
this is not the case now.

This release leave us to deal with old, undersized and flat warlocks, (a "missed opportunity"as you said, to re-do a farsser when the previous ones were very nice), ugly swooping hawks (compared to DE couterparts) and monoblock/flat warp spiders and I don't talk about shinning spears.

Do you realise Eldar was the only army in 40K still getting models from the 80's?
Even if they were scupted by master Godwin, miniature design made incredible progress in the last 10 years.
Eldar would have deserved -at least- an overall update.

My only hope is another releasing wave, later in the year.....

[Sardukar]

I have twenty (yes I know a paltry amount EG, :P) wraithguard hoping there is no longer the babysitter requirement. Now I need to figure out how to bend metal to make them CC viable. :D

I have a fair number of the old 'Ghostwarrior' (yeah, I've done Eldar that long...) waiting for something... I'll have to see if they fit the bill well enough for CC WG. (Now, you just never mind that they are small sneaky little buggers... /evilgrin)

[Sardukar]

I'm mostly curious what they do with Banshees.

AMEN!! My girls have gradually lost ground with the edition creep. Time to see them back at their deadly best.

[Archon Charybdis]

Wraithguard are pretty durable, but if they're still slow and only have 1A base, they'll either never reach combat, or get stuck in combat, relegating them to killing maybe one unit all game. That's a terrible way to spend ~300pts (assuming they have said weakness and that they're still 35pts per model). Problem is, you can just take shooting options that are flat out better in damage output

My hope is that the axe-wielding shield generator ones at least will have a 4+ invulnerable save. If it's only a 5++ as the current shimmershield I just don't see it cutting it on such a high priority target. Assuming of course they aren't significantly cheaper than in the current dex as well.

[bfmusashi]

I want to put a Wraithknight on a surfboard, especially after the spiritseer flashed that hang loose.

[deus-ex-makina]

Prelimary review time:

Wraithknight: Love it. Absolutely love it. It's big, its eldar, it's gorgeous and imposing. I love the sword, I love the two cannon option. I think it is one of the finest kits GW have released in years.

Wraithguard/Wraithblades: I've never been the biggest fan of the wraithguard, I felt the models looked too slow and cumbersome even for what are supposed to be slow and cumbersome troops by eldar standards. They needed an update. What they got was a superbly executed plastic revamp. The new weapon options is lovely even if not radically different looking and the Wraithblades are amazing. Very intimidating.

Hemlock Wraithfighter/Nightshade Bomber: I love the fighter, it looks so sleek and hunter-like. Also vaguely duck like I admit, I like ducks. The bomber is very sturdy and scary looking. Very elegant flyers, perhaps not as outstanding as the FW Phoenix but better than the Nightwing. I do think the Razorwing may still be in first place on my list.

Illic Wossname: Very impressive.

Spiritseer: Ah. Well. Very nice, nothing outstanding. Slightly disappointed really, it's not quite as outlandish as the old ghosthelm Farseer model but not as imposing as the new plastic Farseer.

Plastic Farseer: Very nice, but in my opinion a missed opportunity. A plastic copy of an existing Farseer basically, when we could have had something different. Like a female Farseer.

A fantastic release, eclipsing in my estimation even the Vampire Counts release and equalling the Dark Eldar release in quality if not quantity.


Pretty much the same here, although a lil' bit more or less satisfied feeling :



Wraithknight : starting to get used to the design, but if i'd buy one, i would let the chest open to see the pilot.

Wraithguard/Wraithblades : not bad... not bad at all. i do like the CC variant, and the new wraithcanon design.

Hemlock Wraithfighter/Nightshade Bomber : absolutly gorgeous. need each version.

Illic Wossname : my favorite release so far. always like the rangers, this miniature is an instabuy for me.

Spiritseer : huh ? sorry? what the hell is that? everything in this sculpture feel old and outdated... i will still replace them with one of my 2 bonesingers miniatures.

Plastic Farseer : for a HQ, they are still insipid. nothing to see here.




from my p.o.v, it's a good beginning, but the dark Eldar release seems to have received way more work on their HQ, Elite or every single others characters.


DexM

[Brother Garrod]

probably an extreme longshot , but im hoping they re-jig banshee masks to make them more effective , maybe prevent a unit from overwatch firing when they charge or something like that xD

[Mkvenner]

Pretty much the same here, although a lil' bit more or less satisfied feeling :



Wraithknight : starting to get used to the design, but if i'd buy one, i would let the chest open to see the pilot.

Wraithguard/Wraithblades : not bad... not bad at all. i do like the CC variant, and the new wraithcanon design.

Hemlock Wraithfighter/Nightshade Bomber : absolutly gorgeous. need each version.

Illic Wossname : my favorite release so far. always like the rangers, this miniature is an instabuy for me.

Spiritseer : huh ? sorry? what the hell is that? everything in this sculpture feel old and outdated... i will still replace them with one of my 2 bonesingers miniatures.

Plastic Farseer : for a HQ, they are still insipid. nothing to see here.




from my p.o.v, it's a good beginning, but the dark Eldar release seems to have received way more work on their HQ, Elite or every single others characters.


DexM

Dark Eldar had a 12 year period where they received little to no support. Eldar got an upgrade/revision in 2006 during 4th edition. DE would not see any real updates until 2010. Bit of a difference.

Not to mention the releases for 6th edition have all been pretty well rounded. Filling in gaps and adding new avenues.

EDIT- I too love Illic. Quite a striking model.

[GoodOleBoy01]

OK, now for the most important question of all: Who can tell me good things about being able to play my 3d edition Harlequin army again???

[Mkvenner]

There is said to be a piece of wargear that allows an HQ to have Shrouding, Stealth, re-roll Cover Saves, and loses IC status.

[GoodOleBoy01]

There is said to be a piece of wargear that allows an HQ to have Shrouding, Stealth, re-roll Cover Saves, and loses IC status.

Hmmmmm..... So I can use my Great Harlequin and call him an Autarch with this shiny new piece of wargear on him? Yes please! I'm thinking I may throw in a couple of Pathfinder squads with Sneaky McBoomstick (the new sniper character)... They'll play well with my harlie jetbikes and 3x harlequin wraithlords!

[navywolf]

i just love the new eldar minis. being a eldar player for some time now. know new bikes buyt thats fine my question is will the dire avengers play like a 35 dollar 5 man unit like grey knights. how have they changed them?

[Mr.Pickelz]

Am i the only one thinking of doing Wraithblades in a Harlequin style? With the swords and the pos-ability giving them more dynamic action stances, I'm sure they could get some cool poses in there.

[Denour]

Am i the only one thinking of doing Wraithblades in a Harlequin style? With the swords and the pos-ability giving them more dynamic action stances, I'm sure they could get some cool poses in there.

Am I the only person who hates Harlequins? :D

[deinol]

Am i the only one thinking of doing Wraithblades in a Harlequin style? With the swords and the pos-ability giving them more dynamic action stances, I'm sure they could get some cool poses in there.

I plan on adding a lot to my Corsair/Harlequin army. I keep hoping for new bikes, but may need to kitbash dark Eldar ones.

[lilcanich]

Am I the only person who hates Harlequins? :D

I for one love the killer clowns, and I sure hope the rumor of rending shurikens is true. I can hardly wait.

[Grey Mage]

Am I the only person who hates Harlequins? :D

As a unit? No. As part of the fluff? Quite possibly.

Now, where are my exodite Dragon Knights. Ive got 20 of them on my shelf, and Id like to field them again please.

[Freakeh]

Ugggghhhh cmon really wanna know if the wraithknight is a vehicle or a MC :<

[LostInTheDark]

Ugggghhhh cmon really wanna know if the wraithknight is a vehicle or a MC :<

Kirby says that the white dwarf talks about wounds, so its a MC. His reply to someones question in the comments

http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/05/eldar-pictures-rules/

[Freakeh]

Cheers for that mate.

[eldargal]

Name calling does not behoove you nor does it smile brightly upon BoLS. Civility is a mark of maturity.
Want me to be civil? Don't accuse me of stealing **** from Dakkadakka when you're sitting there with 4chan links all over the place. No one b!tches when Dakkadakka copies rumorus from other sources, which they do all the time, ditto for Warseer. So stop B!tching when BoLS does it and I'll stop calling people hypocritical idiots.

Kirby at 3++ has confirmed Phil Kelly as the author. Wraithknight also confirmed as MC.

[Eldar_Atog]

As a unit? No. As part of the fluff? Quite possibly.

Now, where are my exodite Dragon Knights. Ive got 20 of them on my shelf, and Id like to field them again please.

Just a suggestion.. Have you considered using the new high elf models in place of the new flyers? With just a bit of conversion, they would look great. Then you could, in theory, field all 4 types of Eldar :)

[Grey Mage]

Just a suggestion.. Have you considered using the new high elf models in place of the new flyers? With just a bit of conversion, they would look great. Then you could, in theory, field all 4 types of Eldar :)

I have thought about it.... but not high elves, unless it was an actual dragon- and well, I might at that.

Ive been using the Dragon Knights as Shining Spears.... DE cold one boxes are so much cheaper after all, with a bit more bits from guardians, HEs, and avengers for flavor.

[navywolf]

sounds cool i mite look to doing that see i want to do a army on parade ciand of thing i was thinking eldar stuff like harliquen knight and DE allies.

[eldargal]

From Kirby:

AUD prices:
$83 codex
$125 Wraithknight
$185 battleforce
$76 flyer
$55 wraithguard
$50 jetbikes
$55 dire avengers
$22 farseer
$28 spiritseer
$28 ranger SC
$10 psychic cards
Interesting, the Baneblade price point is 165AUd, seems Australians are getting a bit of a break for once.

[Wolfrahm]

Please excuse this question if it has already been asked but this topic has so many pages. Has anyone heard anything about the banshees or any of the other regular aspects? I would love to run my Beil Tan army again.

[eldargal]

According to Kirby only Fire Dragons and Dire Avengers were shown inthe WD, Fire Dragons could still destroy a monolith reliably. No word on Banshees.:(

[Gir]

From Kirby:

Interesting, the Baneblade price point is 165AUd, seems Australians are getting a bit of a break for once.

Called it.

All our prices have been very close to the US price since Dark Angels.

[Mkvenner]

Hmmmmm..... So I can use my Great Harlequin and call him an Autarch with this shiny new piece of wargear on him? Yes please! I'm thinking I may throw in a couple of Pathfinder squads with Sneaky McBoomstick (the new sniper character)... They'll play well with my harlie jetbikes and 3x harlequin wraithlords!

Exactly, sir!

[skeletoro]

Called it.

All our prices have been very close to the US price since Dark Angels.

(First post, hi)

Hang on a sec... have Australian prices gone down for all new releases since DA? I did not realize. This makes me wonder... will Australia see a price DROP next month (bringing Australian prices back into whack with the UK and USA?) That would be fantastic. If that's what's happening, then I hope it happens here in NZ too :D

EDIT: Or.. have the AUS prices just not increased by as large a percentage since C:DA? :/

That Wraith Knight looks pretty cheap though. Compared to a Warhound. And it's about 6/7th the height.

[Gir]

(First post, hi)

Hang on a sec... have Australian prices gone down for all new releases since DA? I did not realize. This makes me wonder... will Australia see a price DROP next month (bringing Australian prices back into whack with the UK and USA?) That would be fantastic. If that's what's happening, then I hope it happens here in NZ too :D

More likely they'll raise RoW prices to match ours. Nothing has gone down in price, but we haven't had a rise in 2 years, and all new stuff comes out much cheaper then comparable products.

[eldargal]

http://www.3plusplus.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IMG_20130522_165326.jpg
From Kirby.

[Cryl]

Any more news on the Iyanden supplement, is it rules or just background for example?

Apologies if this is somewhere in the thread already, I didn't spot it if it was.

[DrLove42]

Dammit i need some gorram rules!

[eldargal]

Wraithknight and Wraithlords are both heavy support.

[Kamin_Majere]

... yay for triple posting glitches

[Kamin_Majere]

... yay for triple posting glitches

[Kamin_Majere]

I was so excited for the release of the Wraith Guard and Fire Gale until I came to the realization that I will have to repaint all of that yellow :(

Its better than not having the models... but by the gods that's a lot of yellow


A shame that the Knight and Lord are both going to be Heavy Support though. Would have been neat to finally build an all wraith army from troops elites and heavy. But I guess its understandable, having a possible 8 monstrous creatures in an Eldar force would make nid players cry, so I understand the clogging of our HS slots with both kits

[Wolfshade]

I may have to get a wraith army...

[eldargal]

From Kirby:

BatRep army list:

Avatar of Khaine
Farseer w/Spear, Mastery Level 3 (choose three powers)
Warlock w/Mastery Level 1 (chosoe one power) and by choose I mean rolled for

5x Dragons w/Wave Serpent (twin-linked starcannons)
5x Wraithblades

10x DA w/Exarch, Powerweapon Shimmershield
10x DA w/Exarch, Powerweapon Shimmershield, Wave serpent (twin-linked brightlances)
6x Jetbikes w/2x Shuriken Cannons

Hemlock Wraithfihter
Crimson Hunter w/Exarch

Wraithlord w/Brightlance Ghostglaive
Wraithknight w/suncannon, shattershield, 2x scatter lasers

About 2000 pts

uide is friendly unit now - 24" range.

Conceal/reveal - psyker gains shrouded; enemy unit within 18" loses stealth + shrouded.

Descructor/Renewal (Battle)
S5 AP4 template + soulblaze which causes more soulblaze
18" regeneration of a wound

Jetbikes are Troops. Wraithguard I think are Troops with Spiritseer.

Oh and both flyers are Fast Attack.

[DrLove42]

Standard Fareers can be Lvl 3. Sold
means Eldrad MUST be Lvl 4

Warlocks getting rolling powers, we'll see what the table's like

Ghostglaive must be new name for the Wraithsword.

I'm getting excited for this....

[eldargal]

Warp Spiders have battle focus, hit & run, fleet and the ancient thing.

Dark Reapers have ancient thing, slow and purposeful, missiles, reaper rangefinder
Seems like Aspects have been given a revamp then.

[privatepeters]

Seems like Aspects have been given a revamp then.
That would be great since beil-tan is my favorite to play. :)

[Kamin_Majere]

Ghostglaive must be new name for the Wraithsword.

I hope so or playing against an Iyanden themed army is going to be a lot like playing space wolves with every third word spoken by the army's controller being wraith/wolf lol


Though i wonder about the Farseer vs Warlock... one says choose and one says choose (which meant roll) does that mean we can still pick out powers for the farseers? That would be a great help in army building so we actually will know what powers we are using instead of learning after army selection

[TeDasCuen]

Wraithknight and Wraithlords are both heavy support.

No! I had hoped that they were from different slot options. Or at least Spiritseer to making Wraithguard troop, then Wraithlords becoming elite.

Then I only can pray for 1-3 Wraithlords by heavy slot.

[Tyrendian]

I hope so or playing against an Iyanden themed army is going to be a lot like playing space wolves with every third word spoken by the army's controller being wraith/wolf lol


Though i wonder about the Farseer vs Warlock... one says choose and one says choose (which meant roll) does that mean we can still pick out powers for the farseers? That would be a great help in army building so we actually will know what powers we are using instead of learning after army selection

nah, i think "choose" referred to "roll for" in both cases... us having two tables (runes of fate and runes of *whateverthatwassomethingaggressive*) has been pretty much confirmed

[Redemption]

Kirby posted a host of new WD scans at 3++:

[Jacob29]

RIP My Jetbike army idea.

No way am I paying £8 a piece(!!!!!) for old as heck casts.


edit:

also I hope to god Warp Spiders don't randomly explode anymore, the whole point in that was we got to go 2D6 instead of 6" in Assault Phase.... now everyone else gets 2D6 but we also explode..

[Tyrendian]

wow - i didn't realize Wraithguard/blades would be so tall! nice!

[Kamin_Majere]

bah... in my old age I cant read the print for the spiders and reapers lol


nah, i think "choose" referred to "roll for" in both cases... us having two tables (runes of fate and runes of *whateverthatwassomethingaggressive*) has been pretty much confirmed
Probably true, but it was something to hope for :)

[IridianBlade]

Seeing pictures of the old Jetbikes in both Codex and WD is somewhat a disappointment. I really hoped for new models.

The bike itself isn't that bad, but the riders are :)

[Anggul]

Seems like Aspects have been given a revamp then.

Thank goodness, what they did with the infantry was going to be what made or broke this book. Now we just need to see if they've fixed Guardians and we're loving it even more.

[Stebus]

Those jetbikes look much better, and it looks like a really simple conversion.

Yeah I did that with my bikers, simply replace the torso and head for a guardian's. Looks a hell of a lot better. Kind of interesting they are showing that instead of the actual boxed models though.

Also, why isn't Eldrad in the warhost for Ulthwe?

[SeekingOne]

Those jetbikes look much better, and it looks like a really simple conversion.

As a Saim-hann player, I've done a ton of such conversions, and they are indeed both very easy and VERY effective appearance-wise. All you need is to replace an old ugly rider's body with the body and head of a new Guardian, and you're done. Legs and arms are perfectly re-usable and fit the new Guardian body well in terms of look of the armour and general proportions.

The only issue is that guardian body is rounded at the bottom end, while the rider's legs piece is flat at the waist. I prefer to use my narrow-bladed modelling knife to cut a upturned cone-shaped recess in the legs piece (like you would cut the middle out of a half-apple, if you know what I mean). Then you can easily fit the lower part of the body into that recess at any angle you like, almost like a ball-joint.

This way you can even have female bikers ('cause guardian sprue has one female torso). Oh, and those bikers look insanely cool with Glade Guard/Glade Riders heads (that's Wood Elf units in Fantasy), which fit guardian torsos very well in terms of size and overall look.

EDIT:
A sad side-note: there's a warlock beside a squad of wraithblades. Could be that wraithsight is still there...

[DrLove42]

Damn Wraithguard ate their Weatabix...they got big!

Still more lovely models. Image ins';t good enough to zoom and read wargear....eurgh

[Deadlift]

I may have to get a wraith army...

Yeah I'm with you there buddy :)

[Mr Mystery]

The more I see, the more I'm tempted.

Thankfully, bonus next month, and a pay rise. With possible a third payrise in August.....

And what better way to celebrate an air of smug, self satisfaction than with an Eldar army, the smug gits of the 41st Millenium...

[Alqualonde]

The more I see, the more I'm tempted.

Thankfully, bonus next month, and a pay rise. With possible a third payrise in August.....

And what better way to celebrate an air of smug, self satisfaction than with an Eldar army, the smug gits of the 41st Millenium...

And then you too can learn the noble art of whining about your toys

[Mr Mystery]

It's entirely possible!

For instance, Wraith stuff all lovely, but still not terribly convinced by the flier. Shapes seem odd.

[kyfer]

Any insights as to what is in the Eldar battleforce, fellow Craftworlders? And who the Eldar are opposing in White Dwarf?

Everything was great until I saw the Jetbikes; so annoyed, was expecting a new kit. Other than that, love the new Wraiths. The Flyers are the first that I actually like, and the HQs are all nice models, especially the Pathfinder character :)

Just unexcited about Australian price for the Wraithknight; really got to feel for New Zealand :(

[Gir]

I'm thinking of going a wraith army too (always wanted to collect Iyanden), but I'm thinking of getting two warp hunters and a cobra 2 to make a D-weapon army as well.

[Defenestratus]

I'm thinking of going a wraith army too (always wanted to collect Iyanden), but I'm thinking of getting two warp hunters and a cobra 2 to make a D-weapon army as well.

hunters are broken. They almost got me banned at my local store :-P

[Tyrendian]

Any insights as to what is in the Eldar battleforce, fellow Craftworlders? And who the Eldar are opposing in White Dwarf?

Everything was great until I saw the Jetbikes; so annoyed, was expecting a new kit. Other than that, love the new Wraiths. The Flyers are the first that I actually like, and the HQs are all nice models, especially the Pathfinder character :)

Just unexcited about Australian price for the Wraithknight; really got to feel for New Zealand :(

Necrons, from what i've heard... which is the obvious choice...

Also, anyone got any info on european pricing? seeing as the two lists we have right now (USD and AUD) are quite different - Wraithknight is the same price as the battleforce in the US but 60$ cheaper in Australia? rather hard to believe...

[Redemption]

Any insights as to what is in the Eldar battleforce, fellow Craftworlders?
The Battleforce is the same as the current one, except that they exchanged the War Walker with a Vyper.

[Redemption]

https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/46/img20130522164936.jpg
If I read that scan right, its seems that Warp Spiders are Jet Pack Infantry now instead of Jump Infantry. I wonder what that means for their movement - did they become 6" instead of 12" in the movement phase, or will their Warp Jump Generators modify that somehow?

Although they seem to have gained Fleet, Hit & Run and Battle Focus as standard, so Battle Focus might offset the lost 6" in the movement phase. So 6" move in the Movement phase, Rerollable D6" Run move with Battle Focus and Fleet in the Shooting Phase, and Rerollable 2D6" Thrust move in the Assault phase? Not too shabby. :)