End Times Rumor Roundup

[Tomgar]

Still immensely looking forward to the book, but it seems madness to not release any new models. Oh well. I at least hope that Wood Elves get some proper attention (new rules for characters like Orion or Araloth) instead of basically acting as backup to the lesser Elves! Being treated like Tyrion or Malekith's sidekicks would be even more disappointing than no new models!

[miteyheroes]

True, we can but hope... Although there not being any fancy new models on the WD cover makes it seem unlikely.

[Mr Mystery]

Possible explanation?

Any show of the models might provide massive spoliers for the outcome of the book, and they'd rather keep that schtum for now.

Nagash got a model, because he was coming back. Glottkin we knew would be involved by the name of the book etc. But this one? This is majorly major stuff. It's the Vortex that keeps Chaos at bay after all. The Fate of the Elves is arguably the fate of the Warhammer World.

I'd certainly want to keep things hush hush until the story is told!

[Tomgar]

Definitely keeping the faith that models will show up eventually, even if not right away.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Bit disappointing - that old Malekith model is looking pretty lame these days - but we'll see. I'll enjoy the book anyway!

[Wildeybeast]

I'm going to be firm and honest. There are no new Elf models with this release. None. Zilch. Zero. The sooner people accept this, the better.

If I magically end up being wrong, I'll be jumping for joy, mind you. I'm immensely disappointed there are no new models, though it sounds like the book will be good enough without them.

Again, could you tell us where you are getting this info from? You seem very certain on this, I'm just wondering why. I'm also wondering what the next three weeks of releases are going to be before the Hobbit rolls into town. I can't see there just being one week of End Times releases.

[Mr Mystery]

Think I might be more excite about Khaine that I was Nagash. Nice to see the pointy eared pansies shaken out of their status quo!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And today's message

The cast of players will assume their roles. Only through their sacrifice will Isha’s children be saved.

[Mr Mystery]

Quick!

Sacrifice Tyrion! In the face. SACRIFICE HIM IN THE FACE WITH FIRE!

[Mr Mystery]

Also, anyone wanting to tell us plot details before the book is out? Spoiler Tags unless a thread has spoiler warning at the start :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Why Tyrion? He's the good guy as far as I see.

I hate Malekith and Teclis...

[Mr Mystery]

Tyrion has always annoyed me.

And this time, Malekith apparently has the Everqueen, and thus the spirit of Ulthuan onside, meaning Tyrion is being a dick!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I suppose we'll see.

[White Tiger88]

In the end Alith Anar wins XD

[Bigred]

pic via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/11/warhammer-kkhaine-immagini-da-white.html) 11-18-2014

OK, so here are the tidbits revealed regarding the Elven Rhana Dandra (Their final battle)

- Ulthuan is under attack by a Daemonic Horde

- Naggaroth is under siege by Valkia's Khornate Hordes.

- The Phoenix King is assassinated!

- Malekith decides to abandon Naggaroth and invade Ultuahn in one last chance to claim the throne - with plenty of secret allies and double-dealing along the way.

- Tyrion breaks under the pressure of defending Ulthaun , the betrayal of friends and family loss, and turns to the Widowmaker in an act of desperation. (Queue ominous music)

And the final Elven Civil War is ON!

Along the way:

- Secret lore and ancient truths regarding the Elves are revealed

- God die as their followers perish

- The undead rise in Ulthuan

- Tons of characters kick the bucket

- Elith Anar shoots someone important

- Someone wins the war once and for all - unifying what is left of the Elven race.

Here is a picture of a shocking battleline to set the stage:

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[White Tiger88]

Alith will most likely kill Morathi.........

[Tomgar]

That. Is. Awesome.

Any news re: the level of involvement Wood Elves have? I'd hate for us to be minor players in this!

[Archon Charybdis]

I think Eldargal is going to blow a gasket, "...sorrowful death robs the Asrai of... resolve." Sounds a lot like Ariel bites it. Then, maybe that's who Araloth is going into the Realm of Chaos to save.

[Learn2Eel]

Alarielle is specifically referred to as "the Avatar of Isha", so I'm assuming either Ariel is dead or Ariel's spirit possesses Alarielle's body.

My hype has actually deflated, honestly, but I don't want anyone to think I have a bad impression of End Times: Khaine. There's just nothing there for me I actually want. I have a fully themed Khainite Dark Elf army as my primary Elf army; I used to have High Elves but the outdated models and sometimes questionable rules had me shaking my head. Along came the Dark Elves, a perfect blend of awesome models, good but not unbalanced rules and cool background, specifically with respect to Khainite units (Witch Elves, Executioners, the Cauldron of Blood and so on). The allure of the new Elven End Times book for me from both a modelling and rules perspective was to add in "Khainite Phoenix Guard" and "Khainite Phoenixes"; it would be awesome to convert, the rules would work, and they are the only Elf units not in the Dark Elf book I would actually want to use specifically because they give me durable heavy infantry. Converting Sisters of Slaughter with halberds as Phoenix Guard and Phoenixes trailing blood that literally boil the unlucky souls they move over with dripping blood (Flamespyre rules) or numb them to slaughter (Frostheart rules) would be awesome. Then I learned that the book was Asuryan VS Khaine, and with three separate army lists that pretty obviously meant that I wouldn't be able to combine units dedicated to either god. Ah well, I thought, at least I get to use an Avatar of Khaine in-game! Nope, it's just Tyrion with the Widowmaker (the Avatar of Khaine and Eternity King are titles for Tyrion and Malekith, respectively). It wouldn't be so bad if there were at least new models for the release as then I could justify doing a combined army list down the line separate to my Khainite list, but again, nope! Tyrion on a horse (no new model) wielding the Widowmaker doesn't fit into my infantry-centric army and I severely doubt there is really anything else to be had for Khainite players as presumably "the Avatar of Isha", new rules for Imrik and so on means the focus is placed squarely on the Phoenix King list.

TLDR, I'm not buying the book, but I will order the magic cards just to be safe. The book will doubtless be amazing and I know everyone else will enjoy it, but for me, I can't justify spending $180 on a fluff book I will read once and rules I will barely - if ever - use because there is nothing there I want to use. If I end up being wrong and there is more Khaine love in the book and I can actually legally field Khainite conversions of my favoured non-Dark Elf units, I'll pick it up later, but for now I'm skipping it.

Also, how cool is it that Alith Anar is the one that decides the fate of the Elven race with a single shot from his Moonbow? The most badass Elf gets to make the most important action in the history of all Elves. Hell to the yes! I'm guessing he shoots Tyrion, especially as it definitely appears Malekith's passing through the Flame of Asuryan was sabotaged and he truly was the rightful king all along. Alith Anar hates Malekith more than anyone but the fact they have openly stated in the White Dwarf he makes a shot that decides the fate of the Elven race means it would be far too obvious for him to kill Malekith....unless he simply disarms someone, or he kills both Tyrion and Malekith. Either way....the fluff will be good, no doubt. Just not $180 good :o

[Archon Charybdis]

I wouldn't necessarily write off being able to combine both units into a single army, that could be what the third army list is for.

[Wildeybeast]

I think Eldargal is going to blow a gasket, "...sorrowful death robs the Asrai of... resolve." Sounds a lot like Ariel bites it. Then, maybe that's who Araloth is going into the Realm of Chaos to save.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Orion will smash **** up if that happens.

[eldargal]

She better be the only female casualty, if she is dead.

[Brakkart]

Also, how cool is it that Alith Anar is the one that decides the fate of the Elven race with a single shot from his Moonbow? The most badass Elf gets to make the most important action in the history of all Elves. Hell to the yes! I'm guessing he shoots Tyrion, especially as it definitely appears Malekith's passing through the Flame of Asuryan was sabotaged and he truly was the rightful king all along. Alith Anar hates Malekith more than anyone but the fact they have openly stated in the White Dwarf he makes a shot that decides the fate of the Elven race means it would be far too obvious for him to kill Malekith....unless he simply disarms someone, or he kills both Tyrion and Malekith. Either way....the fluff will be good, no doubt. Just not $180 good :o

Very cool, he's easily my favourite character in all of Warhammer Fantasy! Would love to see him become the ruler of all the elves too, he does embody the lot of them after all as he's a champion of Isha and Kurnous (the nature gods), a High Elf Prince and the rightful ruler of Naggarythe. He'd be a good candidate for all the elven races to turn too for leadership and I'd truly pity any army that had to deal with the united elven race led by him.

[White Tiger88]

Very cool, he's easily my favourite character in all of Warhammer Fantasy! Would love to see him become the ruler of all the elves too, he does embody the lot of them after all as he's a champion of Isha and Kurnous (the nature gods), a High Elf Prince and the rightful ruler of Naggarythe. He'd be a good candidate for all the elven races to turn too for leadership and I'd truly pity any army that had to deal with the united elven race led by him.

Called it ;)

[Crownblade]

My initial thought when I read the spoiler was 'what about Malus?'. The WK sent him north to find Morathi, a mission which besides the obvious goal of getting his mother back, comes with the potential side bonus/silver lining of getting rid of a rival if Darkblade fails. So if the WK attacks Ulthuan with his forces, does that mean Malus found her, the WK abandons him, and his mother, or that Darkblade is dead?
If he is alive, I can see Darkblade setting himself up as the new king of Naggaroth if the WK is crowned Phoenix King, just as I could see Anar continuing his war on Malekith and Morathi, even if the elves come together. He seems simply too uncompromising, to me, to ever change his mind, given the years of war and sacrfices he's already made. Just my two cents for whatever it's worth.

[Mr Mystery]

I reckon Alith Anar shoots Teclis - after all, he's aiding and abetting Malekith.... And if Tyrion pegs it, makes sense his twin does too!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I reckon Tyrion wins.

Just a hunch.

[Bigred]

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End Times: Khaine Prices & LotR Stuff...
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I can't read the price in USD... You all try...

[Mr Mystery]

Book - £45

Cards - £5

So whatever Glottkin cost for the books in USD I'd guess.

Interesting that there's an 'abridged' version?

[Tomgar]

Looks like just the rules section in paperback form? Can anyone see a price? I'm going for the Hardback but if it's a decent price, could be worth a shout for people who don't care as much about story.

[Mr Mystery]

I think it says £30? Really hard to tell!

[Tomgar]

Hmm, £30 for a paperback? Without all the awesome lore? Dunno if I'd get that personally, but I'd guess it'll at least be around longer than the hardback!

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno. It's the first Abridge version so far.

[Wildeybeast]

Hobbit junk already? Give us proper wood elf models GW!

[RGilbert26]

At least these will be the last of the hobbit releases.

[wayne williams]

never mind wood elves ( but i would like some ) but how about a proper avatar of kaine we could use for both fantasy and 40 k

[miteyheroes]

At least these will be the last of the hobbit releases.

They might go on for several weeks? The last lot did. And I note that there's no rulebook with this week's release.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I like The Hobbit...

[Cap'nSmurfs]

There'll be a couple more weeks of Hobbit, but it's surely the last wave of them, yes. Bet your *** there'll be a Smaug. That might be a cool model.

Abridged suggests to me the general release paperback book everyone's apparently so keen on (check the frontpage). IE. the version that'll stay in print, maybe?

[Mr Mystery]

There'll be a couple more weeks of Hobbit, but it's surely the last wave of them, yes. Bet your *** there'll be a Smaug. That might be a cool model.

Abridged suggests to me the general release paperback book everyone's apparently so keen on (check the frontpage). IE. the version that'll stay in print, maybe?

Seems odd to launch with the third book though?

[miteyheroes]

There'll be a couple more weeks of Hobbit, but it's surely the last wave of them, yes. Bet your *** there'll be a Smaug. That might be a cool model.

I really hope that there will be a Smaug. But doing it in scale would be very hard - Smaug is massive! It'd have to be a huge and expensive plastic kit, and I'm not convinced that GW will be willing to spend that.

[eldargal]

A big enough plastic Smaug would at least negate scale differences and could sell to WFB players but it does seem unlikely.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

"Odd to launch with the third book" - not if it's a reaction to the overwhelming popularity of the first two! Which one suspects it is.

[miteyheroes]

A big enough plastic Smaug would at least negate scale differences and could sell to WFB players but it does seem unlikely.

The Smaug action figure with a 22" wingspan is about the right size. Sadly it's limited edition and only in the US...

[Crownblade]

I wonder if the fall of the Vortex, rumored in the Khaine book, is the reason for the rumors of a new big dwarf 'smashy thing'. The vortex fall, magic floods back into the world powering up some ancient runes, possibly animating golems or some such.

[Mr Mystery]

I wonder if the fall of the Vortex, rumored in the Khaine book, is the reason for the rumors of a new big dwarf 'smashy thing'. The vortex fall, magic floods back into the world powering up some ancient runes, possibly animating golems or some such.

That would also be cool.

Let's face it - End Times is so far 99% cool (1% is for making the ladies look a bit daft, when in the background they're actually more competent than the men for the most part)

[Mr Mystery]

Got mine ordered.

And you?

[Houghten]

Yep. Despite the fact that the description has quite thoroughly dashed any hopes of an Ariel model.

[Mr Mystery]

Almost forgot the spell cards. YOINK!

Looking forward to next Saturday now! Think I'll scarper up pub and give it a dashed good read!

[Insert_nickname_here]

Checked to see if ET: khaine was available to pre - order at 7pm - not up yet.

Checked again at 7.30 pm - sold out.

At least they have the softback glottkin to pre order.

[Mr Mystery]

Bloody hell that's fast!

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Checked to see if ET: khaine was available to pre - order at 7pm - not up yet.

Checked again at 7.30 pm - sold out.

At least they have the softback glottkin to pre order.

If you have a local GW, it's worth asking if they can hold one for you from their stock. They're usual pretty good about that!

[Insert_nickname_here]

I might give that a go, but with Glottkin, the manager was told he was getting four books sent to him, and only got two. At least the softbacks are coming out fairly quickly, but it's not the same as getting a brand new book and learning something new on every page. I had to almost steer clear of this site when the Nagash book came out to minimise spoilers.

Edit: - and LE edition has gone. Wow.

[Tomgar]

Staff guy at our GW couldn't order them fast enough so pretty much nobody got one! Poor dude tried but they were gone *so* fast.

Got the cards though, and I spent the money I budgeted for the book on 2 units of Wild Riders so it was a good trip!

Also, it sounds increasingly like Woodies are pretty minor players in this book so I'm not uber bothered about missing it tbh. I'll pick up the paperback for sure!

[Wildeybeast]

I got on at twenty past 7 as the glottkin preorders didn't go up until about quarter past and standard edition Khaine had already gone. I dithered about for ten minutes trying to decide whether I could afford to shell out for the limited edition and that was gone by twenty to eight. Looks like it's going to be the iBook for me. Did manage to grab some spell cards though. I am really excited about this, the thought of combing my wood elves with my dark elves as got me to get them out of storage again.

[Mr Mystery]

I got on at twenty past 7 as the glottkin preorders didn't go up until about quarter past and standard edition Khaine had already gone. I dithered about for ten minutes trying to decide whether I could afford to shell out for the limited edition and that was gone by twenty to eight. Looks like it's going to be the iBook for me. Did manage to grab some spell cards though. I am really excited about this, the thought of combing my wood elves with my dark elves as got me to get them out of storage again.

Dear god. The things Treekin and Witch Elves could do to infantry - barely worth thinking about!

[Wildeybeast]

Personally I'm looking forward to using the cauldron of blood to give my wild riders another attack. You can never have too many attacks on wild riders.

[Archon Charybdis]

Personally I'm looking forward to using the cauldron of blood to give my wild riders another attack. You can never have too many attacks on wild riders.

Sure you can, however many it takes to kill them to a man, that's too many :-P

I have to say though, while I actually quite like the fluff justification presented so far for a unified Elven Legion, something about the semi-divine equerries of the god of the hunt being influenced Khaine seems a bit off.

[Houghten]

Hax! Those End Times spells are just repurposed Storm of Magic spells, but less of them!

[Wildeybeast]

Wood elves just got a big boost. Murderous Prowess and Martial Prowess without needing to hide in the woods any more? Yes please!

[Archon Charybdis]

Wood elves just got a big boost. Murderous Prowess and Martial Prowess without needing to hide in the woods any more? Yes please!

Right? No more wasting 100pts on the Acorn to maybe sometimes get the benefits of rules you already paid for. Plus, the awesome boosts from having the Eternity King in your army. I think Imma have to order me a black dragon kit...

[Wildeybeast]

I notice Orion isn't an option for either of the combined armies. I hope this just means he's rampaging around Athel Loren and not dead.

[Mr Mystery]

I notice Orion isn't an option for either of the combined armies. I hope this just means he's rampaging around Athel Loren and not dead.

Not seeing Teclis either....

[White Tiger88]

Whats that..........Malekith is the Phoenix King? Whelp Tyrion is screwed.

[Mr Mystery]

Whats that..........Malekith is the Phoenix King? Whelp Tyrion is screwed.



Eternity King, it would seem!

[miteyheroes]

Teclis is in the Host of the Phoenix King, but not the Host of the Eternity King. So I guess he dies helping Malekith take the throne.
Tyrion, Morathi, Lokhir, and Korhil are all in the Host of the Aestyrion but not the Host of the Eternity King. That's quite a bodycount, if they all die.

Mind you, Hellebron and Alith Amar are in the Host of the Eternity King but not either of the previous. So it's possible some people are just sitting all the fights or the later fights out, like those two sit out the start of the fight.

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Interesting that Tyrion's horse has a separate profile to him, whereas Imrik and Malekith's dragons are both part of their profiles.

[White Tiger88]

Alith Anar is most likely the one that will do in Morathi and malekith most likely pro used him nagarath for help. However where the hell is Malus Dark blade?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Off somewhere being "heroic"

[Bigred]

I am disturbed to see Lohkir Fellheart in the civil war lists, but not the "Eternity King" list.

He better not bite it - he's my favorite Warhammer pirate (and the only thing cooler than a Pirate is a Warhammer Pirate)! Hopefully he just said "screw this" and headed out to sea.

[Wildeybeast]

Alith Anar is most likely the one that will do in Morathi and malekith most likely pro used him nagarath for help. However where the hell is Malus Dark blade?

I can tell you exactly where, but I'll do it in the spoiler filled Khaine thread in the warhammer general discussion so as not to ruin it for anyone here.

[Erik Setzer]

A part of me died inside reading those character rules. The spells are nasty enough (my favorite is the idea of a Goblin Shaman stealing Nagash's staff), but Alarielle and Malekith both being Level 5, and the rules they bring (Alarielle makes it tough to kill people around her, Malekith makes them fight super hard)... ouch. Good thing you can't take both in anything short of 3200 points (looks like Alarielle is 540, and Malekith is 1000, in their Super-Saiyan forms).

For bonus points: Imagine Nagash squaring off against a Wizard with High Magic, who just keeps casting the spell all day that says, "You get to do NOTHING, sir!" Suddenly that 1000 points of spell-casting goodness and army-raising awesomeness is just a regular, basic Monster that's taking up way too many points.

[Stibbok]

Do anyone know if there are going to be any new models for the khaine end of time book?

[White Tiger88]

Do anyone know if there are going to be any new models for the khaine end of time book?

No new models at release......sadly.....I wanted malekith on foot to have rules....

Also I wonder if it is worth making an end time force at all if they are working on 9th edition...

[Bigred]

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Order of book releases is
End times Skaven
End times Skaven (limited edition)
All of the above are at GW HQ.

Anything else isn't printed yet so won't be out until late January as all books seem to be printed about 2 months before they are released.

[Kirsten]

given the trend for big plastic kits for End Times, and with Malekith and Prince Imrik both being updated, I hope we get a nice big dragon kit soon.

[Mr Mystery]

given the trend for big plastic kits for End Times, and with Malekith and Prince Imrik both being updated, I hope we get a nice big dragon kit soon.

That would be very cool!

[Archon Charybdis]

One could hope it'd cover Malekith, Imrik, and the Sisters of Twilight, but given that we didn't get anything with the book release I'm skeptical (albeit hopeful) that we'd get anything. If they were going to release it, why wouldn't they do it at the book release?

[Kirsten]

yeah I am wondering that as well, but who knows. it doesn't mean stuff can't come out in future. there has been a huge number of fantasy and 40k releases lately, big monster kits, starter sets etc. maybe they just haven't had time/capacity to keep it up.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I hope we get a nice big dragon kit soon.

Smaug? :p

[Bigred]

via Steve the Warboss 12110-2014


-The 4th End Times book will be the First Release for 2015, in early January.
-The Book features Skaven and includes new rules for Battles in Dungeons.
-End Times Book 5 will come later, possibly after the next Edition is released.

[Mr Mystery]

Ordering Top Tip.

Nip down your local GW (provided you have one) and buy some e-vouchers.

That way, you're more likely to have funds at the right time.

Plus, means your local store gets the benefit of your spending!

[Cutter]

given the trend for big plastic kits for End Times, and with Malekith and Prince Imrik both being updated, I hope we get a nice big dragon kit soon.

I was assuming a Khaine model would be forthcoming, man was I disappointed.

[Locke66]

I was assuming a Khaine model would be forthcoming, man was I disappointed.

They are only releasing models for characters that survive as far as I can see. I imagine it wouldn't be viable to make a Warhammer avatar of Khaine model for just one book.

[Archon Charybdis]

They are only releasing models for characters that survive as far as I can see. I imagine it wouldn't be viable to make a Warhammer avatar of Khaine model for just one book.

That's an astute observation, though being as we've only had two sets of model releases it's hard to tell if that's just coincidence.

[Mr Mystery]

They are only releasing models for characters that survive as far as I can see. I imagine it wouldn't be viable to make a Warhammer avatar of Khaine model for just one book.

Dunno. Glottkin go squish pretty hard, and then get bottled as punishment.

[thegreedyfly]

Guy at the club Im a part of just found this

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[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Well damn

[Bigred]

via Steve the Warboss 1-10-2014

The Climax of the End Times Series

-5th and last Book in March
-Title is Endtimes: Achaeon
-More Chaos content, focus on Khorne

[Wildeybeast]

Last book? What about the one focusing on Orcs and Ogres? As the only factions not covered yet, surely they need a book first? Unless the get major exposure in the last one, it will be a real kick in the teeth to players of those factions.

[Mr Mystery]

Yep. Grimgor and Skarsnik are revered now as incarnation of Gork and Mork.

They're bound to get a book.

No doubt it will round off with Archaon though.

[Bigred]

via Steve the Warboss 1-11-2014

End Times V Details


-Archaon on Dragon / van Horstmann / Galrauch Box
-Bloodthirster / two Characters Box
-New Khornate Unit

-Archaon is a Lvl 4 Caster
-New Tzeentch Lore

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmm.

Not sure Archaon will wind up on a Dragon.....after all, his steed is the steed of the apocalypse - one of the trinkets needed to be crowned the ever chosen.

Also not at all convinced we're not getting an Orcy book. They're too prevalent for them not to get one!

[Erik Setzer]

Also not at all convinced we're not getting an Orcy book. They're too prevalent for them not to get one!

Hate to say this, as greenskins are my favorite in all of GW's games, but I think they're just considering Thanquol to count for that. There's a lot of clashes between Skaven and Goblins and even some with Orcs. Seems Dwarfs and the greenskins got tossed into the book, though I haven't heard of anything new and awesome for the Orcs like the Dwarfs having the Incarnate of Fire.

[Mr Mystery]

Nagash has clashes with Skaven and Dwarves...

For now, wait and see (as is my usual mantra).

Anyone got states on Steve The Warboss' typical accuracy?

[Erik Setzer]

I think it's Grimgor's 'eadbutt that will shatter the world.

[Mr Mystery]

Battle Axe of the Last Waaagh!

And still far from convinced about those particular rumours :p

[Jared van Kell]

Hmmm.

Not sure Archaon will wind up on a Dragon.....after all, his steed is the steed of the apocalypse - one of the trinkets needed to be crowned the ever chosen.

Also not at all convinced we're not getting an Orcy book. They're too prevalent for them not to get one!

Just remember that the Steed of Apocalyse can change its shape. In fact it changed its shape several times whilst Archaon was in the process of breaking it so getting it to change into the form a Chaos Dragon is not beyond the realms of impossibility. However given Steve the Warboss's less than sterling track record I would say it is not going to happen.

JvK :cool: