End Times Rumor Roundup

[Bigred]

As the Nagash thread is getting long and is apparently only the start of the end times, I'm putting future rumors in here:

via adicto (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400019-October-The-month-of-Chaos) 9-11-2014


October - The Month of Chaos

Original Spanish

Hay algo que aún no hemos visto que aparecerá dentro de poco. Una nueva forma de maldad y destrucción relacionado con Glotkin.

Octubre sería el mes del caos, el starter kit por ahí anda, lo que nose cuando, según contaron pensé que era para el 20.

Libro Chaos, 2 Cajas Grandes, 1 Mediana, y un blister de un PE.
¿Cartas Impias?

¿Malus se convertirá en P. Demonio?
¿Volveran el culto de Slaneesh?
¿Druchii ungidos regresan para arrasar Naggaroth?
¿La Profecía de Nagarythe se cumple?
¿Los Antiguos Campeones del Caos Regresan?
¿La Profecía sobre los Dragones de Caledor ha llegado?
English Translation:

"There is something we haven't seen yet that will pop out soon enough. A new kind of evil and destruction related to Glotkin.
October should be the month of Chaos, the starter kit is there somewhere, I don't know when, the way they told me I thought it would be on september 20th.
Chaos book. 2 big boxes. 1 medium-sized box, and a SC (TN: special character) blister.
Unholy cards?
Will Malus become a daemon prince?
Will the cult of slaanesh (TN: Cult of Pleasure) return?
Will the anointed druchii come back to obliterate Naggaroth?
Will the Nagarythe prophecy become true?
Will the old chaos champions return?
is the Caledor dragons prophecy finally here?"

Steve the Warboss: 9-13-2014


The book includes, for example (what I know);
-New Archaon Profile
-Cult of Slaanesh for Dark Elves with a new Unit and Chaos Demons
-Chaos Mono-List for Nurgle with Warriors and Demons united
-New Nurgle Chaos Champion (Valnir Aesling?)
-There is a picture with Nurgle Demons and a different looking great unclean one (I'm not sure, new model or convension)
-Some old Chaos Warrior Chars returns (van Horstmann, Arbaal, and Aekold Helbrass)

And previously he said:

"Soon after the Dark Eldar, Endtimes will goes into the next round. It will be a big chaos release with 5-6 week."

Latest info on the Endtimes Chaos release: 9-17-2014


- 6 Week Release
- 1 week for each chaos god
- 2 weeks for the campaign specific minis

- I would expect the chaos god weeks to include dual-use kits for 40k/wfb (probably the plastic major daemons)
- The other kits are probably Archaon and his Lieutenants, as we saw with the Nagash wave.
- Fancy End Times bookset of course.
- Starts after Dark Eldar, so Oct 4th.

via Warseer's Adicto (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400184-Endtimes-rumours-from-FB&p=7276274&viewfull=1#post7276274): 9-22-2014


Endtimes: Archaon (book and limited edition)
- Big Supermonster Kit (Vilitch)
- Chosen
- Valnir (blister)

They say thats all the WoC stuff we're going to get. I also heard that Valkya dies, sigh...

via Warseer's Mithrilherz (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7283044&viewfull=1#post7283044) 10-2-2014

I have heard today things from a source I consider very reliable.
I know I have no rumour credits, so do with it what ever you want. I do not claim anything.
I am reading rumours here for many years, so now there might be the chance to give something back to the community.

- Endtimes Chaos Book will cover 4 factions: WoC, DoC, Beastmen, Dark Elves Cult of Slaanesh

- Models
New Galrauch
New Egrimm von Horstmann

Now my mate was a little unclear, because he was so excited about is DE, that he did not listen properly. He is still digesting the massacre hed had to take vs my Nagash/Undead Legion last weekend and seeking revenge.

Huge mutant kit with several riders
and / or
New Dragon with several riders, one of them probably the before mentioned van Horstmann

- 2015 being a Fantasy year
After having released 7th edition 40K and almost all army books for 40K (? I have no clue about 40K), they want to revive Fantasy with 9th edition and several (!) army books, when the end times are done.

- GW have seemed to understood that in order to sell miniatures, they need to give the minis good rules in the game in order that the customers really want them.

via Warseer's Darnok (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases) 10-4-2014

End Times Part II

I'm trying with a fresh start, summarising the things I have from a very trusted birdy. According to this source, the models released over the next weeks are:

"Glotkin" ... a named character, not a mount option for anybody, the biggest kit to be released (though not as big as a Stompa, as rumoured by others)
Nurgle (?) Chosen ... the uncertainty here is whether they are actually dedicated to Nurgle, or "only" very mutated
a new big mount ... for "multiple types of riders", but most likely to be WoC only
named character in clampack ... no details here


The upcoming WD points to "Scions of Chaos" next week, which is most likely the first batch of these going on advance orders on the evening of October the 10th. I've been told the Chosen and the clampack character are the week #1 releases. With a bit of uncertainty: the "big mount" for week #2, and Glotkin plus book in week #3.

There is no box like the 40K "Stormclaw" one coming.

So I've been informed that the "Nurgle Blightkings" are infact the unit previously running as "Nurgle Chosen". And the clampack character seems to run by the name Gutrot Spume...

via Descanso del Escriba (http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/10/filtrados-precios-y-perfiles-de-putrid.html) 10-6-2014

Blightkings of Nurgle
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via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/putridi-re-del-contagio-di-nurgle-nuove.html) 10-7-2014

Nurgle BlightKings

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via Starplayer.fr (http://www.starplayer.fr/boutique/librairie/magazines/white-dwarf/white-dwarf-n-38/) 10-13-2014
Glotkin
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via Warseer's Archibald_TK (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7290415&viewfull=1#post7290415) 10-13-2014


In the next WD:
- New box akin to the Mortarchs, allowing to create 3 special Nurgle characters mounted what appear to happen when you cross a giant ape and a very aggressive worm, rules included in the WD.

That's the only release for that week...

if you liked the Blight Kings, then you'll find the new ones awesome. If I remember correctly they're called something like Maggot Lords (I'm not even sure, see how efficient my memory is?)

Also I don't play WFB so I have no idea what I'm reading when it comes to rules. I just remember one of them can spit and it works like a catapult, 24" S3(4) ignore armors. They're lords and their prices all tend to float around the 400pts mark.
EDIT- Oh and also like the Mortarchs it's a unique profile for them and their mount.

[Mr Mystery]

End Times Rumor Roundup - (Cont.)
Via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/uscite-2014-nuove-immagini-e.html) 10-8-2014

Nurgle Champion Gutrot Spume
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via Mexican Ork (https://www.facebook.com/mexork) and Warseer's Archibald_TK (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7291231&viewfull=1#post7291231) 10-14-2014

- The character with the two axes is the leader, his axes give him +2S and poisoned attacks. If I remember correctly they all have S6 T5 as base stats, plus a load of W and A. See how ugly his face is?
- The wizard has a cloud of flies that attack units like a shooting attack and count as magical. Also he carries an item that give him +1 to something and -1 to the same thing to all enemy wizards within 12" so I suppose it's to casting checks or whatever wizards do in WFB. He's the one with the stone thrower attack. I'm also pretty sure he's the only one without a 6+ ward save.
- Morbidex Twiceborn is the one I was talking with the regen aura for Nurglings.
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via El taller de Yila (http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2014/10/maggoth-lord-las-tres-opciones.html?m=1) 10-14-2014


Regarding the WFB plaguelords:
Maggot Lord - nurgle monster + rider set, new never before seen box allowing 3 options:

• Orghotts Daemonspew, Chaos Lord on Whippermaw.

• Bloab Rotspawned, Chaos Sorcerer on Bilespurter.

• Morbidex Twiceborn, nurgle champion on Tripletongue.

via Warseer's Arthurius11 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7291961&viewfull=1#post7291961) 10-15-2014

As usual this is not 100% but I have heard the elves book is going to be called end times : Khaine. Also that there will be no new dark elf models with it. Take that as you will. I personally hope that is wrong or incorrect as I was hoping for new Malekith or morathi models. But leaves door open for other possible elves models / units. We will see as it is still a while away on those ones.


via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/maggot-lords-nuove-immagini-da-white.html) 10-15-2014

Maggot Lords Details
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via Warseer's Felwether (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7295702&viewfull=1#post7295702) 10-20-2014
End Times II Prices


The Glottkin (€86/£66)

Warhammer: Glottkin (Book) (€52/£40)

End Times: The Fall of Altdorf (Black Library)

The Bane of Malekith (Black Library)

There are also two bundles (I'm guessing) for 40K.

Notes on End Times II:


- Apparently Altdorf (capitol of The Empire) falls!

- Something very bad happens to the Elves...*
via Warseer's Sexiest_Hero (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II/page8) 10-20-2014


A lot of people are gonna be mad when the elf book hits, fluff wise I think.

Mildly irritated. I think a lot of people get caught up in the Noble High elf them when in truth it's more petty high school drama. Look for their pride arrogance and lust to be their downfall. Arrogance most of all.

I hear a little bit from a fluff fairy. ...People have a romanticized view of high elves, as good or noble. They are a force of Order. The elves will not save the day with another great Vortex. Things will get as bad for their island and the Empire Woodelves and Britonia. You already see the petty things they have done in the first book. Well you haven't seen petty yet.

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/end-times-le-uscite-di-glottkin.html) 10-21-2014






End Times II Product Descriptions
English
Ghost9494 on L'Astropate -*
- "The Glottkin" box contains a sorcerer and a champion on a monster similar to a Nurgle giant;*
- The english version of "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" is a set with two hardcover books, one for the story and the other for the rules;*
- The italian version is a softcover book with the rules and a reduced version of the story;*
- "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" contains the story about the forces of Chaos (Daemons, Warriors of Chaos and Beastmen) invading the Empire.




Italiano
Ghost9494 sull'Astropate*
- La scatola "The Glottkin" contiene uno stregone e un campione che cavalcano un mostro simile a un gigante di Nurgle;*
- La versione in inglese di "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" ha la copertina rigida e contiene due libri, uno per la narrativa e l'altro per le regole;*
- La versione in italiano di "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" ha la copertina morbida e contiene le regole e una versione ridotta della narrativa;*
- I libri "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" raccontano l'invasione dell'Impero da parte delle forze del Caos (Guerrieri e Demoni del Caos e Uominibestia).

via Steve the Warboss 1-10-2015

The Climax of the End Times Series

-5th and last Book in March
-Title is Endtimes: Achaeon
-More Chaos content, focus on Khorne








Original Post
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Hmm. Interesting.

The apparent SC Blister would have to be someone new - I can't think of anything in the Chaos book that is missing a model, nor characters that particularly need an update.

Of course that's not ruling anything out. Nagash brought us three new Undead characters after - the man himself, Neferata and Arkhan.

We might see a plastic Hellcannon - lord knows the kit could be made more spangly!

[Brakkart]

End Times Rumor Roundup (cont)

via Warseer's Arthusius11 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7297135&viewfull=1#post7297135) & imgur (http://i.imgur.com/XAd2kKz.jpg) 10-22-2014


Glotkin latest and WD details
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MajorWesJansen (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7296974&viewfull=1#post7296974) says:

Glotkin is indeed 2 books in a slipcase, like Nagash. Looked a tad thinner, like both books were about the same thickness. IIRC Nagash the fluff book is a lot thicker than the rules book.

Pair of characters ride it, one combat that looks like the armored guy with the half horn head from the maggot beasts, the other is a more ragged looking caster type. Both named Glott. Model is on a much larger base than the maggotlords, probably the 150 by 100. Top of beast part of glottkin is about level with the top of the magot lord riders head, with riders and some horns makin it even taller. Not stompa sized, but I'd say somewhere between the orkanaut and imperial knight. My favorite part is the little nurgling on the base that looks like a mini-glottkin mount, with 1 squggly arm and 1 spike arm.

No rules for glottkin included (likely because the book is released at the same time) but a battle report on fall of altdorf on a big table.

Coming next week mentions respirators, so no clue what that is about. Spent most my time looking at the 2 nice new 40K bundles.


via Warseer's Thorin (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7297547&viewfull=1#post7297547)10-22-2014

End Times II Plot Details

Glottkin:
-3 brothers, Ghurk (Beast), Ethrac (Sorcerer), Otto (Warlord)
-Biggest kit yet for all Chaos armies, might be bigger than Nagash
-2 head/hand options for Otto, aka helmeted/unhelmeted and holding a severed head/his own entrails
-The brothers are NOT conjoined
-Fluff: As their parents, peaceful Norscan farmers,were murdered by imperial troops, the three wanted to take revenge and took up their respective equipment, aka Scythe and Wizardry/Healing. Mutating into a giant-sized beast was just an addition for Ghurk.
-The 3 nails put through a lot of stuff as already seen on the Maggoth Lords is the Glottkin's symbol
-They're Archaon's "scouts" and were sent to kill Karl Franz and destroy Altdorf
-No rules in the WD for them, sadly

Chaos:
-Archaon still doesn't take action but rather sends Glottkin and Valkia to do his dirty work in the Empire/Naggaroth

Empire:
-New High Patriarch is called GregorMartak
-Karl Franz is alive and has new rules in the Glottkin book, he's called somehthing along the lines of "The ascended Karl Franz" and can resurrect from the dead if killed in-game, though no word's given on how often. In another fluff text, he's called the "Mightiest fighter of the Forces of Light". Make of that what you wish.

Bretonnia:
-Louen Leoncoeur is alive! Yes you read that right. He lives and now serves as a vassal to Gilles le Breton

Timeline:
-The Glottkin book spans over half a year, from spring 2525, when Nagash is awoken and sends out his Mortarch Vlad to help the Empire, up to autumn 2525 and concludes in the attack on Altdorf, which happens at about the same time as the defeat of Settra at Nagash's hands and the downfall of Nehekhara. Basically the stories of "ET: Glottkin" and "ET: Nagash" are parallel.

ET: Glottkin contains rules for a new game style called "Streets of Death" and includes rules for fighting in cities, e.g. Altdorf and Marienburg. Manning barricades and destroying buildings are just 2 features mentioned that come into play during the BatRep (which the Good Guys win actually).

Also,there seems to be a new "Dominance of Chaos"-table in the Glottkin book that comes into effect during the Magic Phase, as it directly influences the winds of Magic in Chaos-y ways. The example from the BatRep was called "Oh Glorious Decay".
The Limited Edition is only available in English and has a new magnetically closed case.

via Harry over at Warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7299468&viewfull=1#post7299468) 10-24-2014

Regarding further hints for the End Times - future of WFB hints:

OK, here's one for you .....

Chaos Vs "Humans".

Quote Originally Posted by Tozudos a Dieces View Post
I've just read The fall of Altdorf.

OMG.

At least fluff-wise, nothing's gonna be again the same. It all will change. All.
You are not wrong there fella. That is what I have been saying.


Quote Originally Posted by Ludaman View Post
Awesome! Thanks Harry! I may be way off, but that sounds like the contents of a new starter Box to me.
We have been playing this game together for too many years.



via Enkiel's Games Workshop addition (http://enkiel.blogspot.ca/2014/10/end-times-glottkin-rounds-2-pictures.html) 10-29-2014



Glottkin, Festus & Karl Franz details
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via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/warhammer-glottkin-foto-delle-regole.html) 11-2-2014


End Times: Glottkin Chaos Rules
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End Times Rumors (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?402065-Hints-on-what-s-coming-next-on-the-E-T-from-BL-weekender) 11-9-2014 (Black Library Weekender)


via Warseer's Darnok:

Now what if I tell you that 1.) the Elves ET book will come with no models alongside it and 2.) there will be two more ET books after it?

Volume III: The Curse of Khaine (Scheduled for this year)
Volume IV: Skaven Book
Volume V: Unknown rumored final volume

via the venerable (and accurate) 75Hastings69 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?402065-Hints-on-what-s-coming-next-on-the-E-T-from-BL-weekender&p=7311831&viewfull=1#post7311831) 11-9-2014

Regarding future kits for the Warhammer End Times series:


- Plastic vermin lord
- Other Skaven stuff.

Also it's been a long while but iirc there's still some as yet unreleased big kits:

- a big dwarf Warmachine with smashy fists
- a large angry looking statue type thing, possibly of elvish design?


End Times III Teaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmAysyadhA



Over 6,000 years ago an Elven prince was denied his birthright. Now he seeks to reclaim it. The bloodiest, most tragic war of the End Times is about to begin. Be here on Saturday the 22nd of November to find out more.

And the "secret text"

The flames await the phoenix, but the dragon stands against him.

Hannimar via Warseer's video Observations: 11-17-2014


Art at 0:08
- look to the skies on the left side of the picture. Khaine battling Asuryan?
- I think we can see Alith Anar on the cliff to the left.
- clearly three Elven races are at war against each other.
- centre-right. Is that Tyrion dueling against Malekith? Their helms look right, but Tyrion's sword doesn't look like Sunfang.

Art at 0:19
- Allarielle, Alith Anar, some shadow warriors and...?
- Who are those Elves shown on the far right picture? Clearly we have an Asur, Asrai and Druchii.
- Malus, Imrik and some Wood Elf plotting against their rulers?

Art at 1:00
- Malekith/Tyrion draws the Widowmaker or...
- Khaine is shattered into pieces like in 40k and new shrines arise where Elves can pray for the Avatar to lead them at times of war? (more $$ for GW)

via Felwether via Warseer 11-17-2014


New WD just landed in. The book contains rules for characters including Malekith, Tyrion, Imrik, some chap called the Eternity King and The Avatar of Khaine.

Apparently there are "amazing changes to how magic works in the End Times" and it looks like each lore gets a new spell, there's a preview in the magazine but I don't have time to type it out now.

They talk about the lists in the magazine: There is the host of the phoenix king which seems to be a combined asur, asrai, druchii army under malekith and teclis and the aestyrion, who are loyal to tyrion.

There is a third list mentioned but no details given other than: "in warhammer: Khaine there is, once and for all, an absolute winner in the war for the phoenix crown. The third army represents the elves that survive."


pic via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/11/warhammer-kkhaine-immagini-da-white.html) 11-18-2014

OK, so here are the tidbits revealed regarding the Elven Rhana Dandra (Their final battle)


- Ulthuan is under attack by a Daemonic Horde

- Naggaroth is under siege by Valkia's Khornate Hordes.

- The Phoenix King is assassinated!

- Malekith decides to abandon Naggaroth and invade Ultuahn in one last chance to claim the throne - with plenty of secret allies and double-dealing along the way.

- Tyrion breaks under the pressure of defending Ulthaun , the betrayal of friends and family loss, and turns to the Widowmaker in an act of desperation. (Queue ominous music)

And the final Elven Civil War is ON!

Along the way:

- Secret lore and ancient truths regarding the Elves are revealed

- God die as their followers perish

- The undead rise in Ulthuan

- Tons of characters kick the bucket

- Elith Anar shoots someone important

- Someone wins the war once and for all - unifying what is left of the Elven race.

Here is a picture of a shocking battleline to set the stage:

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via conspiracynutt (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/G3NrCC_-vkg/release-order-including-end-times.html) 11-29-2014


Order of book releases is
-End times Skaven
-End times Skaven (limited edition)
-All of the above are at GW HQ.

Anything else isn't printed yet so won't be out until late January as all books seem to be printed about 2 months before they are released.

via Steve the Warboss 12-10-2014


-The 4th End Times book will be the First Release for 2015, in early January.
-The Book features Skaven and includes new rules for Battles in Dungeons.
-End Times Book 5 will come later, possibly after the next Edition is released.

via Steve the Warboss 1-10-2015

The Climax of the End Times Series

-5th and last Book in March
-Title is Endtimes: Achaeon
-More Chaos content, focus on Khorne

via Steve the Warboss 1-11-2014

End Times V Details


-Archaon on Dragon / van Horstmann / Galrauch Box
-Bloodthirster / two Characters Box
-New Khornate Unit

-Archaon is a Lvl 4 Caster
-New Tzeentch Lore






Original Post
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Hmm. Interesting.

The apparent SC Blister would have to be someone new - I can't think of anything in the Chaos book that is missing a model, nor characters that particularly need an update.

Of course that's not ruling anything out. Nagash brought us three new Undead characters after - the man himself, Neferata and Arkhan.

We might see a plastic Hellcannon - lord knows the kit could be made more spangly!

Well according to a rumour over on Faeit the next book has rules for some very old Chaos characters, namely: Arbaal the Undefeated, Valnir the Reaper, Egrimm van Horstmann and Aekold Helbrass. No idea if it's true or not, but in the old Storm of Chaos campaign (which this End Times is totally picking bits from) Archaon had 4 smaller chaos armies that split off from his main horde to raid and pillage and make it so that the Empire has to divide their forces to deal with them. Those 4 forces had generals that were just names, they never had models made for them. It would be much cooler to do the same sort of thing but bringing back some classic characters in the process. If so I'm hoping there's gonna be some rules for Dechala too.

I recall when the new Warriors of Chaos book came out last year there was a lot of rumours then for a Chaos Dragon plastic kit with the option of it being Galrauch or having a special character mounted on it and yet it never turned up. Could it have been held back to be part of this I wonder?

[Kirsten]

Horstman and Helbrass would be awesome to see again

[Mr Mystery]

Rumour is from Faeit though....

Plus, isn't Horstmann dead?

[Kirsten]

never stops anyone :p

given that Arkhan has been brought back, never rule out an old character.

[Mr Mystery]

True that.

Still seems....odd to me.

After all, where is the Slaanesh?

[Brakkart]

After all, where is the Slaanesh?

That's why I'd want rules for Dechala, as she's a Slaanesh warlady about one step shy of full Deamonhood. Imagine a version of her, done in plastic about the size of the Dark Elf Medusa. A good character to have involved in the battles on Ulthuan and/or Naggaroth too given that she used to be an Elven Princess!

[Mr Mystery]

That would indeed be cool. Though she was only rumoured to have been Elven to start with :)

[Crownblade]

I think it's a shame that hasn't been any word on any new beastmen releases yet. They feature in the Nagash book, but so far all the love seems to be going to the WoC. It does not look good for either of my armies, beastmen and brets.

[Mr Mystery]

I'd say there's more in it about Beasties than Warriors. Malagor is clearly up to something, and one suspects Morghur might be giving the orders (well, him and the Chaos gods!)

[Kirsten]

well the End Times stuff has only just begun in the last couple of weeks, but early to worry about anyone missing out or somebody getting preference, something has to come first.

[Wildeybeast]

Yeah, I think this will run and run. I would be surprised if there was anther book in the next couple of months, I think they will give Nagash time to settle in and let everyone get used to it first. The enthusiasm for Warhamer is on a massive high, so why not give time for that to abate and then stir it up again.

[Vangrail]

I would want nakai the wanderer for my lizardmen that would be badass.

[Bigred]

Latest info on the Endtimes Chaos release: 9-17-2014


- 6 Week Release
- 1 week for each chaos god
- 2 weeks for the campaign specific minis

- I would expect the chaos god weeks to include dual-use kits for 40k/wfb
- The other kits are probably Archaon and his Lieutenants, as we saw with the Nagash wave.
- Fancy End Times bookset of course.
- Starts after Dark Eldar, so Oct 4th.

[Mr Mystery]

Sounds and feels about right.

I'm kind of hoping for SC Greater Daemon options in each kit - because that would be ace. Nurgle and Khorne are both missing SCGD models - and Gods know Slaanesh should have one (like N'Kari. That'd be nice eh?). Two head option and boof you've got Kairos.

[Wildeybeast]

Here's hoping the empire gets some new heroes too! The elector counts are dropping like flies, our best wizard turned out to be a weak willed fool and even the Emperor took a beating. Valten only won't save us, especially not when he is forty quid. We need some help that isn't vampire based.

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Adicto (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400184-Endtimes-rumours-from-FB&p=7276274&viewfull=1#post7276274): 9-22-2014


Endtimes: Archaon (book and limited edition)
- Big Supermonster Kit (Vilitch)
- Chosen
- Valnir (blister)

They say thats all the WoC stuff we're going to get. I also heard that Valkya dies, sigh...

[Mr Mystery]

Interesting.

Last we heard of Vilitch, he'd copped a bullet to one of his heads?

[Wildeybeast]

Sush, don't let EG hear about Valkya.

Also, why is Vilitch a big monster, he is man sized currently.

[Mr Mystery]

Potentially swollen with power.

Bit suspicious about those rumours, simply because it's way more than we got for Nagash - all the rumour about that said was 'Nagash is coming back'. The details of The End Times were missing until what, a week out when we normally expect that sort of stuff?

[eldargal]

I'm very suspicious.

Also Valkia has died before, Khorne brought her back so whatevs. I would be pissed if they kill her off permanently. There is one female Chaos SC, kill off some of the stupid men, they are boring as hell mostly anyway.

[Brakkart]

There is one female Chaos SC

Two actually, there is Dechala as well though I'll concede the point that only Valkia has a current model and rules and a damn good one too (after much waiting for it) so yeah I'll be plenty pissed too if she gets offed and doesn't come back. Hell if Arbaal gets killed, have Khorne give her Arbaal's uber fleshhound mount, that'd make for a sweet model!

[eldargal]

Oh yes, forgot about Dechala. A nice new model for her would be welcome, make her real big like a mortarch sized medusa thing. I would have said GW aren't stupid enough to kill off current female SCs because there are so few of them but given they bumped off Ulrika I'm not putting anything past them.

[Mr Mystery]

Well, Valkia just got a model. And so far, nobody with a current or modern model has been offed.

Kazador? Old, old model - no longer available.
Thorek? Not actually clear if he's dead or not!

I'm calling shenanigans on those rumours.

[eldargal]

Well, Volkmar did but then his model is just bits on a larger plastic kit really so its not the same.

[daboarder]

Well, Volkmar did but then his model is just bits on a larger plastic kit really so its not the same.

Yeah, but Valkia is finecast.....:(

[eldargal]

True but lots of characters and units are, given the SCs killed off so far have either not had models, had plastic models or had Finecast models I don't think you can see being Finecast is a liability.

[tikimonkey]

Throgg just got a new model and they killed him off. Unless of course he manages to regenerate from death.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

You didn't see Throgg's body. That's, like, Rule One of fictional death. Show me the body.

[Mr Mystery]

You didn't see Throgg's body. That's, like, Rule One of fictional death. Show me the body.

Yup, and falling out the tall tower (you creep*)? Not exactly well deadly to a Troll!



*nerd points for anyone who can name that quote.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Also, Valkia's a Daemon Prince. She can't, like, *die*. As such. (I think?)

[eldargal]

Not permanently no, I mean she died when she was mortal and she came back and has died heaps of times since and Khorne keeps bringing her back 'cos she is the bestest at killiness.

[biteymcrunrun]

Yup, and falling out the tall tower (you creep*)? Not exactly well deadly to a Troll!



*nerd points for anyone who can name that quote.

Monty Python. Holy Grail.

What's the exchange rate on nerd points?

[Mr Mystery]

It's literally some.

Man I hope the next installment is available at Warhammerfest!

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Mithrilherz (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7283044&viewfull=1#post7283044) 10-2-2014

I have heard today things from a source I consider very reliable.
I know I have no rumour credits, so do with it what ever you want. I do not claim anything.
I am reading rumours here for many years, so now there might be the chance to give something back to the community.

- Endtimes Chaos Book will cover 4 factions: WoC, DoC, Beastmen, Dark Elves Cult of Slaanesh

- Models
New Galrauch
New Egrimm von Horstmann

Now my mate was a little unclear, because he was so excited about is DE, that he did not listen properly. He is still digesting the massacre hed had to take vs my Nagash/Undead Legion last weekend and seeking revenge.

Huge mutant kit with several riders
and / or
New Dragon with several riders, one of them probably the before mentioned van Horstmann

- 2015 being a Fantasy year
After having released 7th edition 40K and almost all army books for 40K (? I have no clue about 40K), they want to revive Fantasy with 9th edition and several (!) army books, when the end times are done.

- GW have seemed to understood that in order to sell miniatures, they need to give the minis good rules in the game in order that the customers really want them.

via Warseer's Darnok (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases) 10-4-2014

End Times Part II

I'm trying with a fresh start, summarising the things I have from a very trusted birdy. According to this source, the models released over the next weeks are:

"Glotkin" ... a named character, not a mount option for anybody, the biggest kit to be released (though not as big as a Stompa, as rumoured by others)
Nurgle (?) Chosen ... the uncertainty here is whether they are actually dedicated to Nurgle, or "only" very mutated
a new big mount ... for "multiple types of riders", but most likely to be WoC only
named character in clampack ... no details here


The upcoming WD points to "Scions of Chaos" next week, which is most likely the first batch of these going on advance orders on the evening of October the 10th. I've been told the Chosen and the clampack character are the week #1 releases. With a bit of uncertainty: the "big mount" for week #2, and Glotkin plus book in week #3.

There is no box like the 40K "Stormclaw" one coming.

So I've been informed that the "Nurgle Blightkings" are infact the unit previously running as "Nurgle Chosen". And the clampack character seems to run by the name Gutrot Spume...

[HansRichter]

Well, GW has posted up the next End Times trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DeHeecXjCM

[Mr Mystery]

From here (http://chaoticacloaquis.canalblog.com/archives/2014/10/06/30716084.html)

This

http://p2.storage.canalblog.com/22/25/570785/99322394_o.jpg

Wot they does

http://p3.storage.canalblog.com/30/71/570785/99322405_o.png

[Agramar]

From here (http://chaoticacloaquis.canalblog.com/archives/2014/10/06/30716084.html)

This

http://p2.storage.canalblog.com/22/25/570785/99322394_o.jpg

Wot they does

http://p3.storage.canalblog.com/30/71/570785/99322405_o.png

Some more pics here http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/10/filtrados-precios-y-perfiles-de-putrid.html

[Mr Mystery]

Yes sir I like them!

Decent proxies for 40k Terminators too, I'd wager.

[Bigred]

via Descanso del Escriba (http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/10/filtrados-precios-y-perfiles-de-putrid.html) 10-6-2014
Blightkings of Nurgle
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[Wildeybeast]

They're decent enough, but I sure hope we don't have to wait too long for the good guys to get some love.

[Dalleron]

agreed. They look nice enough from that not so great picture. Probably got hard as nails rules

[eldargal]

No interest in this, Nurgle is my least favourite Chaos god, utterly boring. Hope the book has a decent amount of DE stuff and that the story doesn't **** them over too much.

[Mr Mystery]

I like the Nurgle aesthetic, and the general character of the God.

Wonder if this will be available Saturday? That'd be hella cool.

[Deadlift]

I enjoy a bit of Nurgle. Hope there's more to come. I really like these models and looking forward to seeing how people will convert them for 40k. You know some folks will.

[Mr Mystery]

Size of them appears near Obliterator....

Could be used for Nurglesque Mutilators?

[Bigred]

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/putridi-re-del-contagio-di-nurgle-nuove.html) 10-7-2014

Nurgle BlightKings

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[Deadlift]

Yep, I'm really liking these models.

[daboarder]

eh, they're nice.....but not exactly a difficult conversion to do from the ogre kits anyway

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

eh, they're nice.....but not exactly a difficult conversion to do from the ogre kits anywayHm, you have a point. As a very specific novelty unit, they almost seem like a Forgeworld item. After Nagash tying together Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts, I was kinda hoping for a massive avatar of Chaos Undivided that paid homage to an armored Chaos Warrior (Daemon Prince Everchosen?), a brutal Beastman and terrifying Daemon in its design.

[Bumm1987]

They already have an excellent Kairos model.

[Bigred]

Via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/uscite-2014-nuove-immagini-e.html) 10-8-2014

Nurgle Champion Gutrot Spume
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[Mr Mystery]

eh, they're nice.....but not exactly a difficult conversion to do from the ogre kits anyway

For me, the modularity (look, it's a word now. I'm British. We're allowed) will be the big thing. They look really, really nice as is. But if you can mix and match within the kit, that's an outright winner in my book.

As for Gutrot?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/af/afef1f8121f068470bda92adb2eda86c43f61b117b797ee231 e55101b26b0ebc.jpg

[Wildeybeast]

I like Gutrot, though I'm not massively impressed with the 'recycling' of the clampack nurse hero. I also don't understand why the blight kings aren't MI.

[Mr Mystery]

I like Gutrot, though I'm not massively impressed with the 'recycling' of the clampack nurse hero. I also don't understand why the blight kings aren't MI.

NURSE?? NURSE!!!

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/M68GeL8PafE/hqdefault.jpg

MI thing is odd. But they remain rock hard.

I suspect it's so the don't just replace Chaos Ogres. Blightkings have the advantage of picking and choosing their weapons round to round, and high T, whereas Chaos Ogres retain their Stomp and Gutcharge.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

These guys are amazing. A-mazing.

[Mr Mystery]

Hoping to get my pallid mitts on Vol 2 tomorrow.

Should be on sale, in theory!

[miteyheroes]

Oh my, look at the big nurgle beasty: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/10/leaks-white-dwarf-leaks-reveal-new.html

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Archibald_TK (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7290415&viewfull=1#post7290415) 10-13-2014


In the next WD:
- New box akin to the Mortarchs, allowing to create 3 special Nurgle characters mounted what appear to happen when you cross a giant ape and a very aggressive worm, rules included in the WD.

That's the only release for that week...

if you liked the Blight Kings, then you'll find the new ones awesome. If I remember correctly they're called something like Maggot Lords (I'm not even sure, see how efficient my memory is?)

Also I don't play WFB so I have no idea what I'm reading when it comes to rules. I just remember one of them can spit and it works like a catapult, 24" S3(4) ignore armors. They're lords and their prices all tend to float around the 400pts mark.
EDIT- Oh and also like the Mortarchs it's a unique profile for them and their mount.

[Bigred]

via Starplayer.fr (http://www.starplayer.fr/boutique/librairie/magazines/white-dwarf/white-dwarf-n-38/) 10-13-2014

Glotkin
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[Mr Mystery]

Yes Sir, I do like it.

[Brakkart]

So a big Nurglesque Rancor as a mount for a trio of Nurgle chaos lords... I don't even like Nurgle and I think that's pretty cool.

[eldargal]

Meh.

[Deadlift]

Some More pics I found of the new beastie and some info.

Archibald_TK from Warseer has the following information to add:

- The character with the two axes is the leader, his axes give him +2S and poisoned attacks. If I remember correctly they all have S6 T5 as base stats, plus a load of W and A. See how ugly his face is?
- The wizard has a cloud of flies that attack units like a shooting attack and count as magical. Also he carries an item that give him +1 to something and -1 to the same thing to all enemy wizards within 12" so I suppose it's to casting checks or whatever wizards do in WFB. He's the one with the stone thrower attack. I'm also pretty sure he's the only one without a 6+ ward save.
- Morbidex Twiceborn is the one I was talking with the regen aura for Nurglings.


http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/c434d40bc447c738bbe014f3f394445a.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/31047c2a64f780f30218e6390a65dfd7.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/2626b3aeb16ef869dab9cf404c221472.jpg

Taken from here

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/10/leaks-more-images-of-details-on-maggoth.html

[Mr Mystery]

Those are jawdropping.

Gah! Plans for Mechanicum, plans for Nurlgey Warhammer...GAH!

[miteyheroes]

I like the armour on the fighty dude, and the hooded sorceror is marvellously atmospheric. Also note the different heads & bellies on the Rancor. Excellent stuff! Nurgle Maulerfiends and Daemon Princes go!

[Mr Mystery]

Might just pick one up for modelling's sake. Look fairly easy to paint to a decent standard (washes, glazes and drybrush, no need to blend!), and totally a sucker for big gribbly stuff!

[Bigred]

via El taller de Yila (http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2014/10/maggoth-lord-las-tres-opciones.html?m=1) 10-14-2014


Regarding the WFB plaguelords:
Maggot Lord - nurgle monster + rider set, new never before seen box allowing 3 options:

• Orghotts Daemonspew, Chaos Lord on Whippermaw.

• Bloab Rotspawned, Chaos Sorcerer on Bilespurter.

• Morbidex Twiceborn, nurgle champion on Tripletongue.

[Erik Setzer]

• Orghotts Daemonspew, Chaos Lord on Whippermaw.

• Bloab Rotspawned, Chaos Sorcerer on Bilespurter.

• Morbidex Twiceborn, nurgle champion on Tripletongue.

Hmm. I wonder how you're supposed to tell which model is which?

[Bumm1987]

I like this 4 horseman approach they are going with. Seems pretty awesome but a little backwards because death shouldn't come first. At least i think that is what they are going for. Nagash and undead represent death, Nurgle is obviously pestilence, i'm assuming the Skaven rumors may be their version of famine since everything is being destroyed down to the dirt of the lands by them. or maybe it will be ogres because they are all about consuming everything in their wake, and i would say war would be represented by Khorne but that is too obvious and i would think that that orcs and goblins might fit that role because of Grimgor and Skarsnik being the living embodiments of Gork and Mork respectively, two war gods.

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Arthurius11 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400661-Chaos-Endtimes-releases&p=7291961&viewfull=1#post7291961) 10-15-2014

As usual this is not 100% but I have heard the elves book is going to be called end times : Khaine. Also that there will be no new dark elf models with it. Take that as you will. I personally hope that is wrong or incorrect as I was hoping for new Malekith or morathi models. But leaves door open for other possible elves models / units. We will see as it is still a while away on those ones.

[eldargal]

Hope it's not true, want new DE models.

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmm....

Elves would definitely get new models out of it, on account they would.

But, it does promise the mirror between light and dark shattering - so it does sound inherently plausible Dark Elves don't get new models, in the same way that Tomb Kings and VC didn't actually get new models, nor did Chaos Warriors, Beastmen or Daemons get new models....

[Katharon]

I feel like they will have to do a new Tyrion model and stat line.

He's been set up to become the next Phoenix King and has gained the loyalty of the Phoenix Guard; we even have his twin making under the table deals with Malekith for crying out loud!

[Mr Mystery]

It's Morathi Teclis is dealing with.

*NERD FIGHT*

[eldargal]

Yeah there is no way Malekith would be basically flirting with the chap that flung him into the Realm of Chaos. And if you don't think that was flirting you haven't spent enough time reading erotic fanfic.

[Thornblood]

A new even bigger than before dragon kit with dual Imrik/Malekith could work. But that dosnt really create new lore.

Maybe a new khaine-monster wyrm thing and the riders could be Malus, Morathi and Tyrion? A murderwyrm?

[Halberd3000]

This would be a great opportunity to introduce a new plastic kit for the Avatar of Khaine, on par with some of the recent large kits, for both elves and Eldar. Perhaps let all elven factions take him, as they all acknowledge Khaine, they each just have different emphasis on the pantheon. I'm not saying GW will do so, just pointing it out.

As an aside, because I was thinking about elves, isn't Malekith prophesied to be killed by a Dark Elf sorcerer? And if Teclis has betrayed at least one Phoenix King and the Everqueen while conspiring with Morathi, wouldn't that make him a Dark Elf in the eyes of many? Hmm. Perhaps this has been brought up before and, if so, I apologize for the repetition.

[Wildeybeast]

The elf book will give them an excellent opportunity to finally do those plastic wardancers/waywatchers/Warhawk riders/treekin that GW have been meaning to do for ages.:rolleyes:

[Lord Ezekial]

I seriously want to start playing fantasy again, simply for these Nurgle models they are releasing ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

[daboarder]

The elf book will give them an excellent opportunity to finally do those plastic wardancers/waywatchers/Warhawk riders/treekin that GW have been meaning to do for ages.:rolleyes:

Ha. More likely they just get dropped


edit: Sigh, on another note I thought I had kicked my GW habit with infinity.....but now I want to buy one of those things for a Great Unclean one in 40k.....****!

[Mr Mystery]

I'm defo getting one.

The new pics have made up my mind!

[Alex Knight]

I just have to say that as a Tzeentch fan, all this Nurgle love is a slap in the face! Seriously, this gives them how many Nurgle specific kits versus how many Tzeentch kits? A slap, I tell you, a slap. (That or we're going to get our cool stuff later, as they say - save the best for last.)

[Mr Mystery]

Well, that's them up for pre-order.

Seems Orghott Daemonspew's Mam did it with a Great Unclean One.

And I thought your Mam was dirty! :p

[Brakkart]

Courtesy of The Mexican Ork on Facebook I present The Glottkin:

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[Justus Ackermann]

Holy freakin' smokes!

[Deadlift]

Now that would be fun to paint.

[eosgreen]

is it safe to assume my dream of plastic lord of change is out of the question?

[Mr Mystery]

It's........SKANKTASTIC!

[Wildeybeast]

is it safe to assume my dream of plastic lord of change is out of the question?

Probably. It's a shame they only focused on nurgle, they could have given the whole chaos range a big boost.

As for Glotkin itself, I'm undecided. Need to see a better quality pic.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

"The Glottkin", presumably referring to the multiple rider/mount hybrid it appears to be (reinforced by "Emissaries" in the plural), makes more sense to me than one thing named "Glotkin".

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Felwether (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7295702&viewfull=1#post7295702) 10-20-2014
End Times II Prices


The Glottkin (€86/£66)

Warhammer: Glottkin (Book) (€52/£40)

End Times: The Fall of Altdorf (Black Library)

The Bane of Malekith (Black Library)

There are also two bundles (I'm guessing) for 40K.

[Mr Mystery]

Interesting.....£10 less than Nagash book.

[Wildeybeast]

The Fall of Altdorf!? :eek: that can't be good, no enemy has ever successfully taken Altdorf.

[40kGamer]

The Fall of Altdorf!? :eek: that can't be good, no enemy has ever successfully taken Altdorf.

Maybe the earlier rumors of the old world being splintered may have referred to the Empire being broken apart in the latest round of wars. Could make for an interesting landscape in the WFB Universe.

[Mr Mystery]

The more I read, the more I'm becoming convinced End Times are the new status quo. No, not a washed up band, but how it's going to be, an eternal setting on the brink damnation.

I am excite!

[40kGamer]

It is a breath of fresh air into the WFB world. I've been tempted to get back into the WFB setting for a while now and this might just pull me back in... I have a bit of 40k fatigue so a break would be nice. :)

[Critical]

I love the nurgle but then I remember how much it costs for an army and I quietly go back to my other games.

Cheers!
Critical

[Bigred]

Notes on End Times II:


- Apparently Altdorf (capitol of The Empire) falls!

- Something very bad happens to the Elves...
via Warseer's Sexiest_Hero (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II/page8) 10-20-2014


A lot of people are gonna be mad when the elf book hits, fluff wise I think.

Mildly irritated. I think a lot of people get caught up in the Noble High elf them when in truth it's more petty high school drama. Look for their pride arrogance and lust to be their downfall. Arrogance most of all.

I hear a little bit from a fluff fairy. ...People have a romanticized view of high elves, as good or noble. They are a force of Order. The elves will not save the day with another great Vortex. Things will get as bad for their island and the Empire Woodelves and Britonia. You already see the petty things they have done in the first book. Well you haven't seen petty yet.

[Locke66]

OK time for some serious speculation about the Khaine: End Times book!

If, as some have suggested, GW are intending to merge the races down into combined races of Elves, Humans etc rather than multiple factions (following the pattern of the Undead Legions and the absorption of Kislev into the Empire) then maybe Tyrion is going to draw the sword of Khaine at some point. This could quite possibly be a result of the death of the Everqueen Alarielle during the daemon invasion of Ulthuan. Many of the Asur have opposed the drawing of the Sword of Khaine so potentially there is a fight between Prince Imrik and Tyrion when he goes to take the sword resulting in Imrik's death. With the Sword of Khaine drawn Tyrion is able to defeat the daemon invasion and become the new Phoenix king. In the meantime Malekith and Morathi are fighting the forces of Valkia the Bloody who has been sent by Khorne to destroy Morathi given her secret place at the head of the cult of Slaanesh in Naggaroth. The Druchii triumph but not before Morathi is forced to reveal herself to be the leader of the cult of Slaanesh to Malekith. This results in a split between them which forces her to flee Naggaroth. That would allow GW to merge Morathi and the Druchii cult of Slaanesh into the wider Chaos book (allowing them to make Chaos Elf characters as well as creating a strong elf theme for Slaneesh).

Tyrion now the Phoenix King of Ulthuan follows the call of the sword of Khaine and leads the Asur armies to war in Naggaroth resulting in a showdown with Malekith. Malekith is killed but not before he is able to unleash a second Sundering in an attempt to destroy Ulthuan and Naggaroth. In order to stop the vortex unraveling Teclis is forced to follow in the foot steps of Caledor Dragontamer adding his power to the existing trapped mages but trapping himself in the vortex as a result. This stops the vortex unraveling entirely but not before Ulthuan is totally devastated and Naggaroth is almost entirely destroyed. With Malekith dead and Morathi fled Tyrion takes control of the remaining elves of Naggaroth effectively reuniting the Asur and Druchii under the banner of Khaine.

With Ulthuan and Naggaroth destroyed or almost entirely uninhabitable a more vicious and cruel Tyrion (having been influenced by the sword) then leads the reunited elves in an exodus from Ulthuan back to the Old World in an attempt to re-claim their lost colonies. This would effectively eliminate Bretonia while bringing them into close proximity with the Asrai. Potentially you then get a show down between Orion and Tyrion (effectively a fight between the Avatar of Khaine and the Avatar of Kurnous) resulting in Orion's destruction by the Sword of Khaine and with Ariel becoming the new Everqueen. That effectively merges Druchii, Asur and Asrai into one new elf faction.

I'm not denying that's some major speculation but this sequence of events doesn't seem impossible or even improbable with a few differences. It would certainly fit the description of annoying people about breaking some of the established lore.

[White Tiger88]

Well if they kill Valkia i can see Eldargal going on a killing spree.......

[HansRichter]

Today's hidden message is not looking good...


Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.

[White Tiger88]

Today's hidden message is not looking good...

For who though this time? That could apply to Elfs,Humans and chaos :P

[eldargal]

Well if they kill Valkia i can see Eldargal going on a killing spree.......

Having her 'killed' would be fine, it's happened before. Having her permanently destroyed will piss me off. Bumping off Morgiana and Aliathra etc. isn't a really big deal but if they start bumping off the few female SCs some armies have I will be pissed off. There is already a huge imbalance in gender with characters in WFB and they have an opportunity to rectify that by having female characters step up and get **** done during the End Times but my worry is they will make it worse.

[Mr Mystery]

Alarielle isn't on Ulthuan. She's in Athel Loren at the moment, so even if Daemons do assault Ulthuan, she isn't going to get jobbed. But, her Bloodline is currently stymied, seeing as her only daughter was sacrificed to ressurect Nagash.....

Still reckon we'll see an Elven Nature deity coming up from the Oak of Ages.

Morathi? I think it's her that's going to do Malekith in. She may be largely loyal to him, but has a thing for Tyrion - seeing him as her ex reincarnated. And I suspect she's manipulating Teclis into supporting the drawing of the Widow Maker - and will do something to replace Tyrion's soul with whatshisface.....

[Erik Setzer]

It is a breath of fresh air into the WFB world. I've been tempted to get back into the WFB setting for a while now and this might just pull me back in... I have a bit of 40k fatigue so a break would be nice. :)

It's been fun to try new stuff, but some people aren't as quick to revel in the new, because it's also unexpected for them. I've had a lot of fun with the Undead Legions, but people aren't used to things like the General's death not signaling the doom of an Undead army, or Vampire Counts models in a non-aligned army (threw a wrench in a Triumph & Treachery game), or seeing the Lore of Nehekhara go nuts on combined Undead. That's to say nothing of their disliking the idea of 50% Lords.

Thankfully, those situations are in the minority, and you can talk people down from going nuts with them, but it's fair to watch out for people who aren't expecting how all this new stuff messes with the game.

But yeah, the Undead Legions list is what really pulled me back into playing more WFB, wanting to model a lot of WFB, and dropping a load of money on WFB models. I'm trying not to go nuts with Chaos when they release the combined army, but it'll be cool to at least mix my Daemons and Beastmen. I'm thinking that we might also see Daemons being run without the crazy magic roll chart, too, since Chaos is more "stable" with the massive invasions, and that'll throw some people off.

[Wildeybeast]

OK time for some serious speculation about the Khaine: End Times book!

If, as some have suggested, GW are intending to merge the races down into combined races of Elves, Humans etc rather than multiple factions (following the pattern of the Undead Legions and the absorption of Kislev into the Empire) then maybe Tyrion is going to draw the sword of Khaine at some point. This could quite possibly be a result of the death of the Everqueen Alarielle during the daemon invasion of Ulthuan. Many of the Asur have opposed the drawing of the Sword of Khaine so potentially there is a fight between Prince Imrik and Tyrion when he goes to take the sword resulting in Imrik's death. With the Sword of Khaine drawn Tyrion is able to defeat the daemon invasion and become the new Phoenix king. In the meantime Malekith and Morathi are fighting the forces of Valkia the Bloody who has been sent by Khorne to destroy Morathi given her secret place at the head of the cult of Slaanesh in Naggaroth. The Druchii triumph but not before Morathi is forced to reveal herself to be the leader of the cult of Slaanesh to Malekith. This results in a split between them which forces her to flee Naggaroth. That would allow GW to merge Morathi and the Druchii cult of Slaanesh into the wider Chaos book (allowing them to make Chaos Elf characters as well as creating a strong elf theme for Slaneesh).

Tyrion now the Phoenix King of Ulthuan follows the call of the sword of Khaine and leads the Asur armies to war in Naggaroth resulting in a showdown with Malekith. Malekith is killed but not before he is able to unleash a second Sundering in an attempt to destroy Ulthuan and Naggaroth. In order to stop the vortex unraveling Teclis is forced to follow in the foot steps of Caledor Dragontamer adding his power to the existing trapped mages but trapping himself in the vortex as a result. This stops the vortex unraveling entirely but not before Ulthuan is totally devastated and Naggaroth is almost entirely destroyed. With Malekith dead and Morathi fled Tyrion takes control of the remaining elves of Naggaroth effectively reuniting the Asur and Druchii under the banner of Khaine.

With Ulthuan and Naggaroth destroyed or almost entirely uninhabitable a more vicious and cruel Tyrion (having been influenced by the sword) then leads the reunited elves in an exodus from Ulthuan back to the Old World in an attempt to re-claim their lost colonies. This would effectively eliminate Bretonia while bringing them into close proximity with the Asrai. Potentially you then get a show down between Orion and Tyrion (effectively a fight between the Avatar of Khaine and the Avatar of Kurnous) resulting in Orion's destruction by the Sword of Khaine and with Ariel becoming the new Everqueen. That effectively merges Druchii, Asur and Asrai into one new elf faction.

I'm not denying that's some major speculation but this sequence of events doesn't seem impossible or even improbable with a few differences. It would certainly fit the description of annoying people about breaking some of the established lore.

It is so very wild speculation. They haven't 'merged' the undead. You can take a combined force of them if you wish, but both armies and their books still very much exist as separate entities. In fact, you need to buy both books for the rules. I would expect that pattern to continue in the End Times; you have the option to field combined armies but it is still more than possible for the purists to field their forces separately. Doing otherwise just limits sales.

As for Kislev being merged into the Empire, at no point in Nagash did that happen.

[Erik Setzer]

As for Kislev being merged into the Empire, at no point in Nagash did that happen.

Kislev was actually just pretty much wiped out, right? That's the sense I got from it.

I can see the remnants being merged into the Empire, but in game terms that would be - just like the Undead and Chaos armies - harkening back to the way it used to be, when Kislev Horse Archers and Kislev Winged Lancers were actually in The Empire army book. I'd love to see those units make a return with new models. Throw in some Halflings in the Empire, and between that and the combined armies, I'd be feeling an overwhelming sense of nostalgia.

Sadly, people do have a slight problem with using old models to represent units... (Hey, it's not my fault the original Screaming Skull Catapults were that small!)

[Mr Mystery]

Kislev has fallen, but it is not necessarily destroyed - Kinslayer really helps to show what's going on in the North at the moment.

[Darren Richardson]

Kislev was actually just pretty much wiped out, right? That's the sense I got from it.

I can see the remnants being merged into the Empire, but in game terms that would be - just like the Undead and Chaos armies - harkening back to the way it used to be, when Kislev Horse Archers and Kislev Winged Lancers were actually in The Empire army book. I'd love to see those units make a return with new models. Throw in some Halflings in the Empire, and between that and the combined armies, I'd be feeling an overwhelming sense of nostalgia.

Sadly, people do have a slight problem with using old models to represent units... (Hey, it's not my fault the original Screaming Skull Catapults were that small!)

don't forget the Imperial Dwarves that the Empire army could also take....

And yeah the original Screaming Skulls Catapults were tiny, I used to have one back in the day.....

[Bigred]

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/end-times-le-uscite-di-glottkin.html) 10-21-2014



End Times II Product Descriptions
English
Ghost9494 on L'Astropate -
- "The Glottkin" box contains a sorcerer and a champion on a monster similar to a Nurgle giant;
- The english version of "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" is a set with two hardcover books, one for the story and the other for the rules;
- The italian version is a softcover book with the rules and a reduced version of the story;
- "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" contains the story about the forces of Chaos (Daemons, Warriors of Chaos and Beastmen) invading the Empire.

Italiano
Ghost9494 sull'Astropate
- La scatola "The Glottkin" contiene uno stregone e un campione che cavalcano un mostro simile a un gigante di Nurgle;
- La versione in inglese di "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" ha la copertina rigida e contiene due libri, uno per la narrativa e l'altro per le regole;
- La versione in italiano di "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" ha la copertina morbida e contiene le regole e una versione ridotta della narrativa;
- I libri "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" raccontano l'invasione dell'Impero da parte delle forze del Caos (Guerrieri e Demoni del Caos e Uominibestia).

[Brakkart]

A picture to show the scale of this new Glottkin model. Credit goes to Arthurius over on Warseer for it:

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He's a bit big!!

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Arthusius11 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7297135&viewfull=1#post7297135) & imgur (http://i.imgur.com/XAd2kKz.jpg) 10-22-2014


Glotkin latest and WD details
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MajorWesJansen (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7296974&viewfull=1#post7296974) says:

Glotkin is indeed 2 books in a slipcase, like Nagash. Looked a tad thinner, like both books were about the same thickness. IIRC Nagash the fluff book is a lot thicker than the rules book.

Pair of characters ride it, one combat that looks like the armored guy with the half horn head from the maggot beasts, the other is a more ragged looking caster type. Both named Glott. Model is on a much larger base than the maggotlords, probably the 150 by 100. Top of beast part of glottkin is about level with the top of the magot lord riders head, with riders and some horns makin it even taller. Not stompa sized, but I'd say somewhere between the orkanaut and imperial knight. My favorite part is the little nurgling on the base that looks like a mini-glottkin mount, with 1 squggly arm and 1 spike arm.

No rules for glottkin included (likely because the book is released at the same time) but a battle report on fall of altdorf on a big table.

Coming next week mentions respirators, so no clue what that is about. Spent most my time looking at the 2 nice new 40K bundles.

[Mr Mystery]

I am burst of excite.

http://studiofminus.com/lightplay/scanners-head-explosion-animated-gif-857.jpg

[Green_Lumux]

from el taller de yilla.
http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.ca/2014/10/imagen-filtrada-de-glottkin.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ElTallerDeYila+(El+taller+de+Yi la)

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[Mr Mystery]

It is a thing of beauty!

[Green_Lumux]

MOAR PICS!!!

http://astropate.blogspot.ca/2014/10/warhammer-glottkin-nuove-immagini-da.html

[Deadlift]

It is a thing of beauty!

I do like him / it. But I'm not keen on the arms.

[Wildeybeast]

Ok, I'm fairly impressed.

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Thorin (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7297547&viewfull=1#post7297547)10-22-2014

End Times II Plot Details

Glottkin:
-3 brothers, Ghurk (Beast), Ethrac (Sorcerer), Otto (Warlord)
-Biggest kit yet for all Chaos armies, might be bigger than Nagash
-2 head/hand options for Otto, aka helmeted/unhelmeted and holding a severed head/his own entrails
-The brothers are NOT conjoined
-Fluff: As their parents, peaceful Norscan farmers,were murdered by imperial troops, the three wanted to take revenge and took up their respective equipment, aka Scythe and Wizardry/Healing. Mutating into a giant-sized beast was just an addition for Ghurk.
-The 3 nails put through a lot of stuff as already seen on the Maggoth Lords is the Glottkin's symbol
-They're Archaon's "scouts" and were sent to kill Karl Franz and destroy Altdorf
-No rules in the WD for them, sadly

Chaos:
-Archaon still doesn't take action but rather sends Glottkin and Valkia to do his dirty work in the Empire/Naggaroth

Empire:
-New High Patriarch is called GregorMartak
-Karl Franz is alive and has new rules in the Glottkin book, he's called somehthing along the lines of "The ascended Karl Franz" and can resurrect from the dead if killed in-game, though no word's given on how often. In another fluff text, he's called the "Mightiest fighter of the Forces of Light". Make of that what you wish.

Bretonnia:
-Louen Leoncoeur is alive! Yes you read that right. He lives and now serves as a vassal to Gilles le Breton

Timeline:
-The Glottkin book spans over half a year, from spring 2525, when Nagash is awoken and sends out his Mortarch Vlad to help the Empire, up to autumn 2525 and concludes in the attack on Altdorf, which happens at about the same time as the defeat of Settra at Nagash's hands and the downfall of Nehekhara. Basically the stories of "ET: Glottkin" and "ET: Nagash" are parallel.

ET: Glottkin contains rules for a new game style called "Streets of Death" and includes rules for fighting in cities, e.g. Altdorf and Marienburg. Manning barricades and destroying buildings are just 2 features mentioned that come into play during the BatRep (which the Good Guys win actually).

Also,there seems to be a new "Dominance of Chaos"-table in the Glottkin book that comes into effect during the Magic Phase, as it directly influences the winds of Magic in Chaos-y ways. The example from the BatRep was called "Oh Glorious Decay".
The Limited Edition is only available in English and has a new magnetically closed case.

[daboarder]

Hmmm much heartening. ....mmmm wood elves.....hmmm must resist fantasy....what's the fsntasy equivalent of 750 pts for fantasy?

[Captain Melons]

This probably was asked before but is whole 'End Times' a scenario that GW made to breathe life back into the game like Storm of Chaos was? Or are they planning to end WFB in general with a final bang? As long as GW makes money I don't think they would end anything but how much money do they make with Fantasy these days?

[daboarder]

we have no idea,because according to GW market research is for Nubs

[Captain Melons]

GW really don't research their market? They have worse managment than I thought. Also why would they update army books for armies (WE, DE, upcoming maybe Brets etc.) if they were ending the game? Makes no sense, but then GW's actions don't make much sense these days.

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmm much heartening. ....mmmm wood elves.....hmmm must resist fantasy....what's the fsntasy equivalent of 750 pts for fantasy?

Probably around 1,000. To my mind, that's about the smallest game you can play and it still be worthwhile. It's also fairly easy to get up to in terms of points (Batallion and a character, plus a beasty/artillery typically).

And yes. JOINS US PRECIOUS. Warhammer is ace!


This probably was asked before but is whole 'End Times' a scenario that GW made to breathe life back into the game like Storm of Chaos was? Or are they planning to end WFB in general with a final bang? As long as GW makes money I don't think they would end anything but how much money do they make with Fantasy these days?

Rejuvenation I'd say. All the doom and gloom about armies being 'squatted' has no evidence to support at this point. Undead Horde still requires the Tomb King and VC book for full mix and match, but you don't need both.

Any changes are likely to be background only I'd reckon, and I very much suspect that End Times is the new status quo, and we won't really see an overall resolution. Essentially, its bringing Warhammer up to 40k's 'two minutes to midnight' setting. There is hope, but it's more about who is going to lose the least, rather than who is going to win :)

[Erik Setzer]

Any changes are likely to be background only I'd reckon

Not necessarily. The rules for army composition were just made official as the new rules for all games of WFB (most recent WFB rulebook FAQ lists errata for army comp using the new rules; also adds the Lore of Undeath as a lore all Wizards can use). The single stat line for characters on monsters is also a possible portent of upcoming changes to how characters riding monsters work. WFB9 is about due, and it's very possible that End Times is making some changes leading into WFB9 so people are used to a modified set of rules.

Either way, it's already providing plenty of new ways to play games. I really want to try the rules in Nagash for fighting in "dark" areas, and the concept of fighting in a city sounds fun, especially if they release more buildings so we can set up a proper "city" (or even village!) at the local GW store.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Or are they planning to end WFB in general with a final bang?Doubt it. Molds for plastic models are incredibly expensive, they wouldn't be investing so much in a game they were about to end.

[Wildeybeast]

I don't think any rumour has ever suggested that they are planning to pull the plug on Warhammer. End Times has made it the most popular it has been in years, why on earth would they invest so much time and money only to end it? That is a ridiculous idea.

Also, Karl Franz ascendant has made me very excited! Hopefully he's the avatar of Sigmar or such like. Time to blow the dust off my Empire me thinks.

[Mr Mystery]

VERY IMPORTANT NEWS.

Reliable source informs me the Glottkin book will be Limited Edition.

As such, I shall be keeping a beady eye on the GW website to ensure I get mine ordered.

[Marshal_Loss]

VERY IMPORTANT NEWS.

Reliable source informs me the Glottkin book will be Limited Edition.

As such, I shall be keeping a beady eye on the GW website to ensure I get mine ordered.

Won't it just be the same as Nagash?

Limited Edition - 500 Copies
Hardcover set - not 'limited edition', but still limited copies. Doesn't have the magnetic case etc

And then if it's successful, softcover version

[Mr Mystery]

Just been told it's While Stocks Last. I did enquire if that meant there'll be a reprint. Reliable source did not believe so.

We will of course find out for sure once it goes up for pre-order, likely in the next few hours.

[Marshal_Loss]

Just been told it's While Stocks Last. I did enquire if that meant there'll be a reprint. Reliable source did not believe so.

We will of course find out for sure once it goes up for pre-order, likely in the next few hours.

Was getting my 'while stocks last' and limited edition confused, my apologies

[Mr Mystery]

Was getting my 'while stocks last' and limited edition confused, my apologies

My bad - I didn't use an entirely accurate term!

[Wildeybeast]

It will most likely be like Nagash - they have a batch, if that sells out they will do a reprint.

[Mr Mystery]

Got mine ordered!

[Justus Ackermann]

I'm about to - but where is that "The Fall of Altdorf"?

*edit*

Found it - somehow it's just not listed with the other pre-orders, but searching for "Altdorf" mysteriously made it appear!

[Kirsten]

wow, Glottkin and Limited Edition Glottkin sold out already. and people say Warhammer isn't popular. I shall have to wait until the new year I think and buy the End Times books when they are back in.

[Bigred]

via Harry over at Warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401269-Chaos-Endtimes-Mk-II&p=7299468&viewfull=1#post7299468) 10-24-2014

Regarding further hints for the End Times - future of WFB hints:

OK, here's one for you .....

Chaos Vs "Humans".

Quote Originally Posted by Tozudos a Dieces View Post
I've just read The fall of Altdorf.

OMG.

At least fluff-wise, nothing's gonna be again the same. It all will change. All.
You are not wrong there fella. That is what I have been saying.


Quote Originally Posted by Ludaman View Post
Awesome! Thanks Harry! I may be way off, but that sounds like the contents of a new starter Box to me.
We have been playing this game together for too many years.

[Mr Mystery]

wow, Glottkin and Limited Edition Glottkin sold out already. and people say Warhammer isn't popular. I shall have to wait until the new year I think and buy the End Times books when they are back in.

Being a dirty little fluff-monkey, I'm getting the books as they come.

Army wise, I'm waiting until it's all out, lest I suffer Magpie Collecting!

Resisting Glottkin is very hard though. Love the Nurgle look, and big models!

[Deadlift]

I don't play WFB, to be fair not much 40k really anymore. But End times has sparked my interest. There's loads of beautiful models coming with this release. But like you I'm waiting until we see more. I'm really interested in what the factions of order get.

[Mr Mystery]

I don't play WFB, to be fair not much 40k really anymore. But End times has sparked my interest. There's loads of beautiful models coming with this release. But like you I'm waiting until we see more. I'm really interested in what the factions of order get.

Don't be soft.....HAVE A FIGHT!


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[daboarder]

See, this is what I mean about GW's stupid attitude toward the customers.

I had been looking again at WFB Wood elves. but along comes yet more rumours that armies are going to be mashed together and when that is combined with previous rumours that GW is looking for ways to force you to buy different units buy removing/destroying armies I do not want to take the risk that said investment will be destroyed in the name of god forsaken greed.

Yes, this is reacting to rumours....but when said rumours are the ONLY source of information for an investment this large, what other choice do I or others have? Stupid GW is dumb as **** and deserves what happens to it

[caseymoose1]

Thanks for telling us you hate GW and are not going to buy an army... Very important info for this end times rumor thread.

[Wildeybeast]

See, this is what I mean about GW's stupid attitude toward the customers.

I had been looking again at WFB Wood elves. but along comes yet more rumours that armies are going to be mashed together and when that is combined with previous rumours that GW is looking for ways to force you to buy different units buy removing/destroying armies I do not want to take the risk that said investment will be destroyed in the name of god forsaken greed.

Yes, this is reacting to rumours....but when said rumours are the ONLY source of information for an investment this large, what other choice do I or others have? Stupid GW is dumb as **** and deserves what happens to it

I wouldn't give much credence to rumours about armies getting squatted or forced together. All Nagash did was allow undead to be played together if you wish. Both are still much separate armies. The same will likely happen for the differnt flavours of chaos in Glotkin. It's probably safe to say some sort of elf team up will happen and possibly humans, but I don't see any of them being combined into a single army permanently.

I get that people use rumours to make purchasing decisions due to a lack of info, but you should also probably look at recent game trends from GW and use some common sense. The only rumours with any reliability and accuracy come out a few weeks before release, at most. None of them have suggested anything about GW forcing you into buying stuff from other armies. Besides, why would they? That would put people off buying them and cost them money. Whereas if you give them the option to do so freely, you open up a bigger market whilst still keeping purists happy. If you want to start wood elves, then do it. If you like the models and the game, then letting your opinions on GW and some unsubstantiated and wild rumours put you off is just silly.

[Bigred]

In general we view the rumormill as entertainment. People love it, but in general you can break it down into 3 categories:

1)"White Dwarf Info" from the upcoming issue - 100% accurate. Once you are within 1 week of WD's release date it is in the mail system globally - so stuff will always get out.

2)"Old-Guard Rumormongers" The oracles like Harry, Hastings, and 1-2 others that are 100% accurate and often get stuff right 6+ months out. These guys pop up rarely and dont get the exact scheduling correct. They are however rarely incorrect about the details of upcoming products.

3) The Loony Bin - Everything that is not the above categories. These are entertainment pure and simple. Rumor reverb, hoaxsters, 3-4th hand info, "a GW manager told me" and the occasional correct gem. Caveat Emptor.

[Mr Mystery]

I am weak.

Nipped out to buy Brownie ingredients. Also managed to return home with a Maggoth Rider.....

[Archon Charybdis]

but along comes yet more rumours that armies are going to be mashed together and when that is combined with previous rumours that GW is looking for ways to force you to buy different units buy removing/destroying armies I do not want to take the risk that said investment will be destroyed in the name of god forsaken greed.


Yeah, so for example, if there are no more Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings armybooks going forward, and we end up getting a copy pasta of "Undead Legions" into an armybook, how exactly is anyone's existing army invalidated? Besides some fiddly details about the way Unstable and the General works, nothing about the Undead Legions rules prevents you from running a pure VC or TK list, almost exactly as they are in their standalone books. If in a month or two we get End Times: Khaine and there's rules for running all elf models in one army, what's preventing you from running your army as a Wood Elf pure faction? You're whining about the prospect of a more condensed release schedule and having more options (even if you don't plan on using them).

There might be some legitimate room to complain about your specific sub-faction not getting new model releases when competing with so many more units in the same release slot, or having to buy a larger armybook with content you aren't planning on using, but you don't need to tilt at windmills about how the sky is falling and armies are getting squatted and you'll be forced to be dark elf models you don't want.

[flipchuck]

Yeah, so for example, if there are no more Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings armybooks going forward, and we end up getting a copy pasta of "Undead Legions" into an armybook, how exactly is anyone's existing army invalidated? Besides some fiddly details about the way Unstable and the General works, nothing about the Undead Legions rules prevents you from running a pure VC or TK list, almost exactly as they are in their standalone books. If in a month or two we get End Times: Khaine and there's rules for running all elf models in one army, what's preventing you from running your army as a Wood Elf pure faction? You're whining about the prospect of a more condensed release schedule and having more options (even if you don't plan on using them).

There might be some legitimate room to complain about your specific sub-faction not getting new model releases when competing with so many more units in the same release slot, or having to buy a larger armybook with content you aren't planning on using, but you don't need to tilt at windmills about how the sky is falling and armies are getting squatted and you'll be forced to be dark elf models you don't want.

They pretty much did that in 40k with when they relased Grey Knights. They combinded Deamon hunters, witch hunters and the grey knights into one book but with the mix and match options, you could stil field a pure witch hunter army or a pure deamon hunter style army or a pure grey knight army. They just put Sisters of Battle on their own (they might even include witch hunters but I'm not 100% sure).

Honestly, it makes sense. From what I have heard, GW wants tis "end of times" as a shake up for Warhammer fantasy. They want to do is do the rule book one more time and then redo all the army books one more time, and then leave the "re-doing" of the rules and army lsits alone so they can work on some new material for warhammer fantasy. They want to stop redoing the rules and such for a long time.

If they start to combind the different factions together for some of the races like having all eveles in one book with the options of making a faction alone (wood eleves only or dark eleves only) or making combind armies, then they could save time on getting the army books out.

[Mr Mystery]

Built that Maggoth Rider last night.

Really nice kit to work with, and only a couple of 'why did you choose there for the injection point??' bits.

[Harry]

In general we view the rumormill as entertainment. People love it, but in general you can break it down into 3 categories:

1)"White Dwarf Info" from the upcoming issue - 100% accurate. Once you are within 1 week of WD's release date it is in the mail system globally - so stuff will always get out.

2)"Old-Guard Rumormongers" The oracles like Harry, Hastings, and 1-2 others that are 100% accurate and often get stuff right 6+ months out. These guys pop up rarely and don't get the exact scheduling correct. They are however rarely incorrect about the details of upcoming products.

3) The Loony Bin - Everything that is not the above categories. These are entertainment pure and simple. Rumor reverb, hoaxsters, 3-4th hand info, "a GW manager told me" and the occasional correct gem. Caveat Emptor.

Thanks for the vote of confidence ..... BUT ....
I just need to correct you a little bit.
Hastings dealt in facts ... he was correct 99% of the time.
I have always death in scraps of information that I try and put together like the pieces of a jigsaw ... except I am missing most of the pieces and have no picture to work from.

As a result their are some solid facts .... (I didn't just pluck "The End Times" and Glotkin out of thin air) but their is also an awful lot of guesswork based on incomplete information.

Anyone buying or selling armies based on anything I have to say is on dodgy ground.

But what I make of the scraps I have picked up is that the next edition will be based in the post 'End times' Warhammer world ... with the timeline advanced a good bit and after much of the world and the people as we know them have been wiped away.

However, the whole thing about combined armies into a few books could all be scraps of info about the End times books we are seeing now and Warhammer in the future will continue as if none of this has ever happened. Like it did after the Storm of Chaos.

Either scenario fits the scraps of info I have been talking about for the last 18 months.

Even the Chaos Vs Humans box set. Could be the next edition. Could be some sort of 'End Times' box set.

What do I know? Remaining firmly stuck between the old guard rumormonger and loony bin catagory as I am. :D

[Mr Mystery]

And I totes owe you an apology dudes.

Sorry for not having faith

[Bigred]

Well Harry, I think the custom title of "LoonyMonger (emeritus)" may be a perfect fit :)

-Larry

[Lord Ezekial]

Ugh now I gotta go start a Glottkin army...

[YourSwordisMine]

Not a Large Target...

What the hell?!

[Bigred]

Karl Franz Ascendant (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative) rules doing the rounds!

Wow - he's a killer! Almost the polar opposite than Glottkin. Flying and high initiative!

His weapon is a nasty piece of work:

The Essence of Gal Maraz:
"Magic Weapon, Hits from the Essence of Ghal Maraz wound automatically with no armour saves allowed. In addition, Wounds caused by the Essence of Ghal Maraz have the Multiple Wounds (D3+1) special rule."

[Theik]

Karl Franz Ascendant (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative) rules doing the rounds!

Wow - he's a killer! Almost the polar opposite than Glottkin. Flying and high initiative!

His weapon is a nasty piece of work:

The Essence of Gal Maraz:
"Magic Weapon, Hits from the Essence of Ghal Maraz wound automatically with no armour saves allowed. In addition, Wounds caused by the Essence of Ghal Maraz have the Multiple Wounds (D3+1) special rule."

Karl has always had Gal Maraz.

[Mr Mystery]

Hasn't had 10 attacks before, and Ghal Maraz does an extra wound (used to just be D3).

Man, looks like he might be able to give Nagash a run for his money. And I'm certainly beginning to see how Sigmar was able to chin Nagash in the first place!

[Badtucker]

Karl has always had Gal Maraz.

not true..... currently it is used by Valten

[Wildeybeast]

Fluff wise yes. Rules wise, Valten has the option of taking it, you could field him without and still field Karl Franz with it. Besides, this is the essence of the hammer, he may not have the actual hammer but some sort of manifestation of it. He has clearly been possessed by Sigmar with those stats, so who knows what is going on?

[Erik Setzer]

And Festus Empowered, too! I could understand empowering current models to help their sales, but I don't think I've seen a Chaos Warrior army yet that didn't have Festus in it. Heck, I've even seen Festus used as a score counter for a Nurgle Blood Bowl team. The guy is everywhere, and this is just going to make it that much nastier.

As for Karl Franz, I'm actually tempted to dust off my Empire and run an army with him. Just throw a bunch of Knights into Core, take cannons, and then throw Karl Franz at your enemy and eat whatever your opponent's nastiest unit is. It also makes a lot more sense now that they errata'd the WFB rulebook to make sure there's no question about 50% Lords, so people can use all these guys - Karl Franz, Glottkin, Nagash, even that one existing Slann who's expensive as heck - in any game.

http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/10/breaking-glottkin-karl-franz-rules.html

[Bigred]

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/10/warhammer-glottkin-foto-delle-regole.html) 11-2-2014


End Times: Glottkin Chaos Rules
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[flipchuck]

I'm curious though, it says Karl has the "fly" ability. Is that due to his mount, Deathclaw? Does he still have the option to switch mounts and or go on foot?

[Wildeybeast]

No. KF Ascendenant and Deathclaw nowcount as a single model (monster). The stat line combines the best of both of them and they have all the rules. Glottkin is the same. Not sure where this development has come from, but it is rather interesting.

[Erik Setzer]

No. KF Ascendenant and Deathclaw nowcount as a single model (monster). The stat line combines the best of both of them and they have all the rules. Glottkin is the same. Not sure where this development has come from, but it is rather interesting.

Started in the Nagash book, where all three of the Mortarchs had a combined profile (fun fact: their being a combined Monster model means that Nagash can, with a couple of tokens from successful casts, use a spell from the Lore of Undeath to summon a Mortarch). Glottkin and KFA are combined profile, and so are the three Maggoth Lords. It's possibly a change that's going to happen in 9th to make characters on monsters more desirable, which will help sell those big kits, but also mean more cool big monsters on the table.

[RGilbert26]

Quick question:

What rumours do we have on Book Three?

I seem to remember it being Orcs?

[Locke66]

Quick question:

What rumours do we have on Book Three?

I seem to remember it being Orcs?

There doesn't seem to be anything definite but there has been mention of an "End Times:Khaine" book. If that's true that would seem to heavily indicate a High and Dark Elf focus so it could be things along the lines of:

- Someone drawing the Sword of Khaine (most likely Tyrion given all the foreshadowing)
- A major clash between the cult of Khaine and the cult of Slaneesh potentially resulting in a falling out between Morathi and Malekith
- A resolution to the daemonic invasion of Ulthuan and the Khorneite invasion of Naggaroth


Really though I dont think there is anything solid on what or when the next installment will be. Elves seem a decent possibility though not the least of which reason is that massive dragon kits would likely sell well ahead of Christmas.

[flipchuck]

Fluff wise yes. Rules wise, Valten has the option of taking it, you could field him without and still field Karl Franz with it. Besides, this is the essence of the hammer, he may not have the actual hammer but some sort of manifestation of it. He has clearly been possessed by Sigmar with those stats, so who knows what is going on?

And this brings up a great idea. Something GW might be setting up from the looks of it. After the End of Times is done and both Karl and Valten are still alive...who will truely rule The Empire? This could lead to setup for an Empire civil war. At least two factions fighting each other. Karl and his followers and Valten and his followers. Heck maybe some other Elector Counts could get in on the action too. It would be "Empire in Flames II" so to speak.

[Erik Setzer]

And this brings up a great idea. Something GW might be setting up from the looks of it. After the End of Times is done and both Karl and Valten are still alive...who will truely rule The Empire? This could lead to setup for an Empire civil war. At least two factions fighting each other. Karl and his followers and Valten and his followers. Heck maybe some other Elector Counts could get in on the action too. It would be "Empire in Flames II" so to speak.

Except I doubt Valten wants to lead, and if Sigmar brought Karl Franz back from the brink of death *and* empowered him, it's a pretty sure sign Sigmar favors Franz as well.

Also, by that point, there won't be enough humans left to have a civil war.

[flipchuck]

Except I doubt Valten wants to lead, and if Sigmar brought Karl Franz back from the brink of death *and* empowered him, it's a pretty sure sign Sigmar favors Franz as well.

Also, by that point, there won't be enough humans left to have a civil war.

That's just it. Both are empowered by sigmar in some way or at least assoated with sigmar in a divine way. So that alone is a power struggle. Plus Valten has sigmar's hammer which use to belong to Karl, maybe he'll want it back and Valten won't want to give it back. As with Valten not wanting to lead, at least in the 3rd version of the model, he looks like a king plus there is a new picture showing what looks to be Valten sitting on a throne with sigmar's hammer and a large sword. Also he may not want to lead but he could end up being forced to lead be defualt. People will no doult flock to him as a leader since he'll end up being a "hero of the empire" and the fact that he has sigmar's hammer.

And The Empire is so huge and vast, there'll always be enough humans for a civil war.

[Wildeybeast]

KF has the essence of the hammer, which is better than the real thing. He doesn't need it back anymore. As for the Valten model, it's an old one going back to storm of chaos. It's an interesting idea, but I really don't think it will pan out.

[miteyheroes]

I loved the end of Valten in the Storm of Chaos... Was he killed by skaven? Or by Imperial in-fighting?

[flipchuck]

He may not have the essense forever. And the hammer was the symbol of ruling the empire. Anyway, its is possible and I hope GW does something with it. It would spice up warhammer fantasy a bit more.

[Wildeybeast]

You don't find the End Times spicy enough? ;)

[Erik Setzer]

He may not have the essense forever. And the hammer was the symbol of ruling the empire. Anyway, its is possible and I hope GW does something with it. It would spice up warhammer fantasy a bit more.

Yeah, killing off a bunch of major characters, wrecking empires, wiping out a large part of the world's population, and literally reshaping the map isn't spicing up WFB nearly enough.

[flipchuck]

I'm talking about keeping it spicy after the End of Times. :D

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I don't see how a post-End Time world isn't going to be "spicy" somehow. It's not going to be Storm of Chaos, where nothing changes.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm still thinking End Times is going to be effectively Endless - I'm not expecting a set conclusion, because frankly playing in End Times is a lot of fun thematically!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Yeah. Previously I would've said it was clearly a reboot for a new edition. Now, I don't know. I'm just enjoying the ride!

[Bigred]

End Times Rumors (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?402065-Hints-on-what-s-coming-next-on-the-E-T-from-BL-weekender) 11-9-2014 (Black Library Weekender)

via Warseer's Darnok:

Now what if I tell you that 1.) the Elves ET book will come with no models alongside it and 2.) there will be two more ET books after it?

Volume III: The Curse of Khaine (Scheduled for this year)
Volume IV: Skaven Book
Volume V: Unknown rumored final volume

[miteyheroes]

No elf models is sad :(

[Houghten]

I dunno; Alith Anar is an elf model who's pretty sad

[Locke66]

No elf models is sad :(

I dont know how reliable the source is but this seems a very strange option if they do choose not to release any models. It seems weird to release a decent wave of models like the Glotkin & lieutenants which effectively tie into just one ET book but then not to release any models at all with the next ET book. A book with *super* Tyrion/Teclis/Malekith/Morathi stats would be a little dull. Another possibility I guess is that the rumour mongers are confusing what they are hearing and they will be not be releasing new characters but instead be releasing new sculpts of existing ones related to the story.

Either way this news is confusing not only for the no models news but also for the 3 remaining books. Unless one of these books is titanic and covering several races it's hard to see how they can possibly tie up all the story threads they have set in motion.

[khaine72]

New models will be released with each new book to either add new models or replace current models. For the HE I can see a 3-1 kit for Tyrion and Teclis and the Phoenix King. Possibly monsteros cavlary. For the DE, Witch King/Beastlord model on black dragon. New Morathi. New dreadlord, reaper bolt thrower.
For the WE, New Orion, warkawk/Great eagle riders.

[Houghten]

I could just about see a Tyrion/Teclis/Finubar on monster kit, but the Dark Elves had a plastic dragon not 3 years ago and if the Wood Elves were going to get anything other than a slap in the face, they'd have got it with their new army book.

Yes, I know WE got a plastic Treeman... for me that is massively overshadowed by the fact they also got a Finecast re-release, something we had all thought was over.

[Mr Mystery]

I could just about see a Tyrion/Teclis/Finubar on monster kit, but the Dark Elves had a plastic dragon not 3 years ago and if the Wood Elves were going to get anything other than a slap in the face, they'd have got it with their new army book.

Yes, I know WE got a plastic Treeman... for me that is massively overshadowed by the fact they also got a Finecast re-release, something we had all thought was over.

And a much needed plastic infantry set which makes two types of infantry, not to mention the Wild Riders. Oh, and a kick *** book.

Definite kick in the pods that release.

[Houghten]

I am choosing to interpret your sarcasm as agreement.

I may still be hurt over my Drycha army getting weaker across the board

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Finubar's dead. The word you're looking for is Malekith, the true and rightful king of the Elves.

I think this latest rumour is getting wires crossed. I saw The Curse of Khaine mentioned as a novel, not "End Times Book 3". I assume the main story/rule books are going to continue in the vein of being named for their central character/model.

[Wildeybeast]

And a much needed plastic infantry set which makes two types of infantry, not to mention the Wild Riders. Oh, and a kick *** book.

Definite kick in the pods that release.

The stuff they did do was good, it was the fact that they didn't bother doing so much stuff which felt like a let down. Still, I am hopeful we get a big super duper Ariel model, which will instantly appease all us stick pixie lovers.

[Mr Mystery]

I reckon we will.....

End of Glottkin hints at the 'Good' Gods about to take a more active role :)

[Wildeybeast]

Well, Sigmar has certainly played his hand and given Nurgle a good shoeing.

[Mr Mystery]

Well, Sigmar has certainly played his hand and given Nurgle a good shoeing.

I'm looking forward to Taal's vengence :)

Not a rumour - just speculating!

[Bigred]

via the venerable (and accurate) 75Hastings69 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?402065-Hints-on-what-s-coming-next-on-the-E-T-from-BL-weekender&p=7311831&viewfull=1#post7311831) 11-9-2014

Regarding future kits for the Warhammer End Times series:



- Plastic vermin lord
- Other Skaven stuff.

Also it's been a long while but iirc there's still some as yet unreleased big kits:

- a big dwarf Warmachine with smashy fists
- a large angry looking statue type thing, possibly of elvish design?

[Mr Mystery]

Nice!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I would love a new Vermin Lord. Maybe the three underlings kit (which I'm assuming is a pattern they're going to continue) is three of the Clan heads, or even members of the Council of Thirteen?

Skaven fit into the "four horsemen" schema quite nicely as famine, I think.

A big dwarf robot would be lovely!

[Mr Mystery]

As long as it's not overly steampunk.

So far, Warhammer Dwarfs have stayed the right side of that - stuff looks like it would actually not only work in general, but be feasibly steam powered.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

To be honest with you, I'm sat here kind of hoping for Thanquol Prime atop Mecha-Boneripper.

[Mr Mystery]

To be honest with you, I'm sat here kind of hoping for Thanquol Prime atop Mecha-Boneripper.

Nah.

Mecha-Bonrippers - one made from the remains of every Boneripper ever! SQUEAK!

[Erik Setzer]

A new Vermin Lord could be fun. I still love the old one, painted one up a few months ago, but if they could improve his stats, that'd be even better. Actually, if they could just confirm his bloody rules, that'd be nice (was playing a game, and people chose to interpret "counts as a daemon for attacks, spells, etc." to mean he *is* a Daemon and thus used Daemon rules, which led to him having an unfortunately unlucky combat and then just going "poof!").

Large angry stone thing could be the Living Idol of Gork/Mork that I believe Forge World currently makes. It'd be a good addition for Orcs, and would fit into the End Times theme.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Are we sure that they won't just release the Horned Rat? He's back now.

[Wildeybeast]

A new Vermin Lord could be fun. I still love the old one, painted one up a few months ago, but if they could improve his stats, that'd be even better. Actually, if they could just confirm his bloody rules, that'd be nice (was playing a game, and people chose to interpret "counts as a daemon for attacks, spells, etc." to mean he *is* a Daemon and thus used Daemon rules, which led to him having an unfortunately unlucky combat and then just going "poof!").

Large angry stone thing could be the Living Idol of Gork/Mork that I believe Forge World currently makes. It'd be a good addition for Orcs, and would fit into the End Times theme.

Sadly, FW no longer make that, which is shame as I would really like one. Seems to have disappeared along with a few other Warhammer Forge items.

[Houghten]

*swears virulently in Orcish for about six continuous minutes*

[Locke66]

- a big dwarf Warmachine with smashy fists

I really hope that one is wrong. I'm really not keen on the "whacky" robots we see in other fantasy games.

[Erik Setzer]

Sadly, FW no longer make that, which is shame as I would really like one. Seems to have disappeared along with a few other Warhammer Forge items.

So is it then actually possible that they're making a plastic version and using that as the Orcs' big thing for End Times? Seems more likely to me than the Elves having a large rock creature to smash stuff, especially as they already have large wood creatures.

[Wildeybeast]

It is quite possible. Of course, it's discontinuation could just be because they have pulled the plug on all support for Warhammer and it never had any rules in a book so they have stopped making it. Only time will tell. I personally hope it is the former, I've recently started playing Orcs and was hoping to get my green mits on one, but they are nowhere to be found, even on eBay.

[Deadlift]

I really hope that one is wrong. I'm really not keen on the "whacky" robots we see in other fantasy games.

A big dwarven "golem-esqe" creature could be good. Not unlike something from Dragon age.

[Gwhizz84]

They have Dwarven golems in one of the Time of Legends books, great betrayal maybe? Could be something like that.

[Houghten]

Of course, it's discontinuation could just be because they have pulled the plug on all support for Warhammer and it never had any rules in a book so they have stopped making it.

It did have rules, but Monstrous Arcanum is no longer available either...

[Wildeybeast]

I don't think it was ever in there, it had PDF rules. I assume it was meant to be part of the Battle of Black Fire Pass book.

[Mr Mystery]

I don't think it was ever in there, it had PDF rules. I assume it was meant to be part of the Battle of Black Fire Pass book.

It's in there!

[Wildeybeast]

I stand corrected. I'm surprised the model has gone then, I thought they were still selling the ones they had rules for.

[Bigred]

End Times III Teaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfmAysyadhA


Over 6,000 years ago an Elven prince was denied his birthright. Now he seeks to reclaim it. The bloodiest, most tragic war of the End Times is about to begin. Be here on Saturday the 22nd of November to find out more.

And the "secret text"

The flames await the phoenix, but the dragon stands against him.

[Learn2Eel]

Interesting, I like how they talk up the High Elves by saying they are the only ones actually doing well against the Daemon incursion. The fact that Malekith is now planning to take the Phoenix Throne for himself implies that it was Morathi that Teclis was in league with the whole time, unless either this is part of the plan or Malekith has betrayed Teclis.

As to what the "secret text" means, I have no idea. The Flames of Asuryan that properly judge and crown a new Phoenix King are probably what this refers to, but the second sentence implies the "Phoenix" is a person. It is possible this is referring to Tyrion seeing as he is effectively the new Phoenix King seeing as Finubar is missing and the Phoenix Guard all bowed to him in silent salute. The "Dragon" is more than likely Malekith. Of course, there are a lot of possibilities for both. The "Phoenix" could be Asuryan himself, and the "Dragon" could be Khaine - though I don't think I've ever seen Khaine referred to as a Dragon - which would fit with the "Gods Perish" title. Heck, the "Dragon" could refer to Indraugnir and the "Phoenix" could refer to Aenarion - who knows! Maybe the "flames" is in reference to the Widowmaker (the embodiment of Khaine - i.e. war - which is commonly associated with fire) and the "Dragon" could be Imrik (who is leading Caledor in a rebellion) while the "Phoenix" is Tyrion trying to claim the only weapon that could stop Nagash and the forces of Chaos.

Speaking of "Gods Perish", the image of Khaine hints at whichever conflict this God dies in involving Khaine. Whether Khaine is the one that dies or not remains to be seen; that he is the likely name of the book means little given the fate that befell the Glottkin in the second End Times book.

Very interesting!

[Mr Mystery]

Caledor - Caledor is being a big sulky face at the moment.

I reckon the Phoenix is Malekith - about to rise from the ashes, and Caledor being all difficult about it.

[eldargal]

Now to spend the next couple of weeks worrying about whether or not they end up killing off Hellebron, Morathi and wiping out the witch elves or something ridiculous like that.

[Learn2Eel]

Caledor - Caledor is being a big sulky face at the moment.

I reckon the Phoenix is Malekith - about to rise from the ashes, and Caledor being all difficult about it.

Caledor? Don't you mean Imrik? Caledor is trapped in the Vortex and has been for an eternity, Imrik is the current leader of the Caledorian rebellion.

Malekith is not the true king, though, so the "Phoenix" surely wouldn't be him. The fact that the Phoenix Guard bowed to Tyrion attests to this. Unless Malekith actually gets burned to death this time!

eldargal, I wouldn't worry about it; if the book is called "Khaine" as pretty much everyone attests to, the Witch Elves are going to be out in full force and at their peak! Of course, I can't speak for Hellebron and Morathi.

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From Warseer, some points to focus on in the trailer; I actually agree with the assumptions here.


Originally Posted by Hannimar via Warseer

Art at 0:08
- look to the skies on the left side of the picture. Khaine battling Asuryan?
- I think we can see Alith Anar on the cliff to the left.
- clearly three Elven races are at war against each other.
- centre-right. Is that Tyrion dueling against Malekith? Their helms look right, but Tyrion's sword doesn't look like Sunfang.

Art at 0:19
- Allarielle, Alith Anar, some shadow warriors and...?
- Who are those Elves shown on the far right picture? Clearly we have an Asur, Asrai and Druchii.
- Malus, Imrik and some Wood Elf plotting against their rulers?

Art at 1:00
- Malekith/Tyrion draws the Widowmaker or...
- Khaine is shattered into pieces like in 40k and new shrines arise where Elves can pray for the Avatar to lead them at times of war? (more $$$ for GW)

[Learn2Eel]

Originally Posted by Felwether via Warseer

New WD just landed in. The book contains rules for characters including Malekith, Tyrion, Imrik, some chap called the Eternity King and The Avatar of Khaine.

Apparently there are "amazing changes to how magic works in the End Times" and it looks like each lore gets a new spell, there's a preview in the magazine but I don't have time to type it out now.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0p0ooL0C1qjkmyu.gif

So no new models, but updated rules for current characters. The fact that Imrik finally has rules again is awesome, as is "Exalted/Empowered/Ascendant" rules for Tyrion and Malekith - the artwork and story implies these two are going to duke it out for the Phoenix Throne, so that will be sweet. I have no idea who the Eternity King is, it is quite possible this refers to whoever ends up winning out of Malekith and Tyrion (remember, no new models with this release, meaning it has to be an existing model) which given what I just put in brackets is almost definitely the case, actually. But....rules for the Avatar of Khaine.....oh my god, but no new model....I FINALLY HAVE A REASON TO BUY THE FORGE WORLD AVATAR, YESSSS!

I can only imagine how powerful these characters will be. Imrik and Malekith will presumably both be riding their respective Dragons and be this release's "Mortarch" or "Maggoth Lord" equivalents, with Tyrion rounding it out albeit mounted on a giant horse (Malhandir). The "Eternity King"....no idea, honestly. It could even be Caradryan for all we know, or a "you may use the Loremaster of Hoeth model to represent Caledor Dragontamer" situation. No clue, the rules could be anything. The Avatar, presumably they want you to use either the statue from the Cauldron of Blood kit, the Forge World one or the current Eldar version. I'm assuming the Avatar will be this book's Nagash and Glottkin equivalent, and seeing as Khaine doesn't deal with magic, we can assume he should be the most powerful combat character in the game - surpassing even the new Karl Franz Ascendant, most likely. Rules probably in the 10s for the most part with a lot of 7s/8s/9/s thrown in, assuming he has the Widowmaker.

A good theory someone pointed out on Warseer again is that Malektih becomes the Avatar of Khaine by drawing the Widowmaker, and Tyrion becomes the Eternity King by passing through the Flames of Asuryan. This would explain why they both have regular (but updated) profiles for when they are still fighting each other as mortals, and then with new profiles for when they are possessed by their gods. It would explain why the artwork in the trailer seemingly features Asuryan and Khaine battling each other.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Here's hoping for a new Avatar model.

[Mr Mystery]

Eternity King.....

Mr Mystery has £5 on Tyrion and Malekith scrapping it out, and both falling into the flame, where they are fused together into a single being.....

[Learn2Eel]

Eternity King.....

Mr Mystery has £5 on Tyrion and Malekith scrapping it out, and both falling into the flame, where they are fused together into a single being.....

No new models (and yes that is confirmed) though means it surely has to be a character with an existing model.

I actually think it is that theory posted on Warseer.

Aenarion was an "Avatar" of two gods - as the Phoenix King, he represented Asuryan, but by drawing the Widowmaker, he embodied Khaine.
Malekith tore Ulthuan and the entire Elven race apart because of his bitterness, hence he becomes the Avatar of Khaine by drawing the Widowmaker.
Tyrion, while still cursed by Khaine, becomes the Eternity King by passing through the Flame of Asuryan - the Phoenix Guard bowed to him for a reason.

This would give us not one but two super-powered characters, and we can assume that the updated rules for Malekith and Tyrion will make them super-powerful as well even while they are still "mortal" if this theory holds. Imrik and Malekith are both on Dragons with their current official models though, say hello to five 800+ point characters (assuming Tyrion gets a big buff).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That would be... weird.

[Learn2Eel]

The guy doing the leaks says he just realized there are Magic Cards releasing with the book?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ace, I love a good bit of Magic.

[Mr Mystery]

DFK, but I'm getting it all anyway so meh :p

Reckon we will get models - maybe not straight off like, but we will.

[Learn2Eel]

originally posted by felwether via warseer

edit: They talk about the lists in the magazine: There is the host of the phoenix king which seems to be a combined asur, asrai, druchii army under malekith and teclis and the aestyrion, who are loyal to tyrion.

There is a third list mentioned but no details given other than: "in warhammer: Khaine there is, once and for all, an absolute winner in the war for the phoenix crown. The third army represents the elves that survive."

Woah. So Malekith and Teclis were the ones teaming up, and the Wood Elves decide to join them? Tyrion is the one rebelling against them? What the!?

I'm....wow. It sounds like the Caledor rebels are the ones that join Malekith (as set up in the first End Times book) and the Asur loyalists are the ones that follow Tyrion. I'm guessing "The Host of the Phoenix King" isn't literal seeing as the Phoenix Guard bowed to Tyrion, I'm really confused.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I hope Tyrion wins, I do detest Malekith.

And Teclis for that matter.

[Learn2Eel]

I think Tyrion HAS to be the Eternity King.

1) The Phoenix Guard bow to him in End Times: Nagash.

2) He is Aenarion Reborn, the "Eternity King" could be similar to the concept of Karl Franz Ascendant where the spirits of all former Emperors (in this case, Phoenix Kings) possess him. Alternatively, he could just fully be reborn as Aenarion.

3) The "secret message" describes a Phoenix facing off against a Dragon to reach the flames. As the story focuses on Malekith's final attempt to take the Phoenix Crown, it can be assumed that Tyrion is the Phoenix that faces the Dragon (Malekith riding Seraphon).

4) It's the perfect "against all the odds" story as with Karl Franz in the Glottkin book; Tyrion fighting against a presumably much larger combined Asur/Asrai/Druchii force, against his brother and uncle, etc.

5) The High Elves worship Asuryan. The Dark Elves worship Khaine. The art in the trailer implies Asuryan and Khaine battle each other. If the Phoenix Guard bowed to Tyrion, surely he is Asuryan's Chosen? It would make sense for Khaine to choose Malekith as his Avatar, whether Malekith likes it or not.

Another possibility in all this is that the Avatar is NOT Tyrion or Malekith....but Tullaris. Convenient, no? He won't need a new model then, will he...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Sense does your point make.

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So, Death, Pestilence, War, so now Famine/Ruin to go.

[Learn2Eel]

Which fits the most with *drum roll* Skaven ;)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Flee flee manthings.

It would be hilarious if Skaven won "The End Times".

[Wildeybeast]

What about my stick pixies!? Learn2Eel, you keep saying there are new no models, where are you getting this confirmation from?

[Mr Mystery]

I'm thinking no new models yet.....

[SadisticMagician]

This no new models thing makes no sense, I don't believe it. Especially when a) the previous two had brilliant plastic releases and b) the other minis being discussed - Imrik, Malekith etc are pretty old and not plastic

[Archon Charybdis]

The guy who initially made the claim about no new models also said it would be "The Curse of Khaine", which is the novelization. It seems pretty apparent he just got his wires crossed, and of course the novel wouldn't have any models coming out with it. It's too perfectly set up to have a "lieutenant" kit with different dragon riders, especially if we have it confirmed that Imrik is getting rules again. We can't be getting Imrik rules if there's no model.

[Wildeybeast]

I'm thinking no new models yet.....

Yeah, that was my thinking, hence the question. I would be amazed if there were no new models at all, especially if it drop this weekend, as that gives at least anther three weeks to fill until they can release Hobbity stuff. If I recall correctly, the Glottkin book was released on its own with the models coming in other release weeks.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

No, Glottkin book & model hit at the same time. Schedule was Blightkings & Spume, Maggoth Lords, Glottkin & book.

[Learn2Eel]

Does this answer everyone's question?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=203369&d=1416271732

There are ZERO new models with this release. There may be updated models for Elf units down the track, but as of now, there are no new Elf models releasing alongside End Times: Khaine.

As for Imrik, he has a model currently;

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99110210102_ImrikonDragonNEW01.jpg

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More stuff from Warseer.


"In a game set during the End Times, Wizards of Level 3 or higher know End Times spells in addition to the other spells that they know. Each different End Times spell can be cast only once per Magic phase and cannot be dispelled if successfully cast (see page 8).

Most End Times spells are extensions of existing Lores of Magic and benefit from the lore attribute of their parent lore in the usual way. Any Wizard who knows the lore in question will also know any End Times spells associated with that lore. Some End Times spells are not associated with any lore (for example, Conjure Arcane Fulcrum) on page 10). These spells can be used by any wizard, unless they state otherwise."

Battle Magic: End Times consists of 22 cards so it would seem that there are quite a few spells.


Also, it's stated in WD that Tyrion draws the Widowmaker, not Malekith.

There's a picture of Malekith, Teclis and the Everqueen at the head of a combined Asur, Asrai and Druchii army. This is 'The Host of the Phoenix King' list.

Malekith is stated as being the sole claimant to the Phoenix Crown and there's a suggestion that Tyrion might actually be the bad guy.

I'm very surprised, Alarielle of all people is allying against her consort? Teclis as well? They joined up with arguably the worst mass-murderer in the history of Warhammer who sundered an entire race? Tyrion draws the Widowmaker as I and many others concluded from End Times: Nagash, but does this mean he has become Aenarion? Apparently Malus Darkblade's new novel hints that he doesn't want to help Malekith, does this mean both he and Morathi are going to ally with Tyrion?

So many questions...

[Archon Charybdis]

Well, that rather blows. If anyone could've used an updated model it's Malekith and Imrik. Though again, it doesn't mean we won't see any new models at all.

[Mr Mystery]

I'd imagine Alarielle sides with Malekith because Tyrion has gone mad and drawn the sword....

And that cover just shows no models yet

[eldargal]

Also she is smart, plenty of non-Tyrion D about if she wants it.:p

I guess this means Alarielle survives helping Ariel (and hopefully succeeded) so yay.

[Wildeybeast]

Fingers crossed for an Ariel model!

[Mr Mystery]

Fingers crossed for an Ariel Ascendant model!

FTFY :p

[Learn2Eel]

I'd imagine Alarielle sides with Malekith because Tyrion has gone mad and drawn the sword....

And that cover just shows no models yet

Still seems insane when you think about it, Alarielle siding with the primary instigator of the longest and most brutal civil war in Warhammer history? Maybe the "Great Lie" was that Malekith's passing through the Flames of Asuryan was sabotaged after all, that would be the only rational explanation for Alarielle siding with a mass murderer over her consort - especially as her touch can purify any soul.

As for the models, don't hold your breath. They aren't part of the overall Khaine release; they might pop up next year, but not before it.


Also she is smart, plenty of non-Tyrion D about if she wants it.:p

I guess this means Alarielle survives helping Ariel (and hopefully succeeded) so yay.

I agree with your second statement, if anyone could heal Ariel it would be Alarielle. This would also explain all the Wood Elves helping out Malekith, unless of course it is Araloth's army that is helping out.

[Tomgar]

The WD leaks did say we'd be getting an Avatar of Khaine, so we've got to assume we'll at least get a model for that, right? Also, Hastings said there's a "statue, possibly of Elvish design" so that tallies up.

I just don't believe GW would make the misstep of not releasing anything for one of their most popular product lines in a long time.

[Mr Mystery]

Still seems insane when you think about it, Alarielle siding with the primary instigator of the longest and most brutal civil war in Warhammer history? Maybe the "Great Lie" was that Malekith's passing through the Flames of Asuryan was sabotaged after all, that would be the only rational explanation for Alarielle siding with a mass murderer over her consort - especially as her touch can purify any soul.


All the Phoenix Kings have had dodgy, shonky little rituals performed on them prior to entering the flame..... Malekith did not, and he was the rightful heir to Aernarion's legacy.

I kind of like the idea of Alarielle purifying Malekith, perhaps even healing his ravaged body.

And I really, really hope Tyrion gets the Sword of Khaine shoved right where the sun doesn't shine. Yeah. Right under his pillow.

[miteyheroes]

The WD leaks did say we'd be getting an Avatar of Khaine, so we've got to assume we'll at least get a model for that, right?

The leaks said that "The book contains rules for characters including Malekith, Tyrion, Imrik, some chap called the Eternity King and The Avatar of Khaine."

The "Avatar of Khaine" could be an existing dude imbued with Khaine's power, just like Karl Franz is basically an avatar of Sigmar but don't have a new model. Or GW could tell you to use the 40k model, if they do mean a big burning daemon-dude style avatar.

The rumours have pretty consistently said that at this point there are no new elf releases.

[Mr Mystery]

The leaks said that "The book contains rules for characters including Malekith, Tyrion, Imrik, some chap called the Eternity King and The Avatar of Khaine."

The "Avatar of Khaine" could be an existing dude imbued with Khaine's power, just like Karl Franz is basically an avatar of Sigmar but don't have a new model. Or GW could tell you to use the 40k model, if they do mean a big burning daemon-dude style avatar.

The rumours have pretty consistently said that at this point there are no new elf releases.

Rumours also managed to miss two of the three weeks of Nids releases :)

[Learn2Eel]

The WD leaks did say we'd be getting an Avatar of Khaine, so we've got to assume we'll at least get a model for that, right? Also, Hastings said there's a "statue, possibly of Elvish design" so that tallies up.

I just don't believe GW would make the misstep of not releasing anything for one of their most popular product lines in a long time.

I'm going to be firm and honest. There are no new Elf models with this release. None. Zilch. Zero. The sooner people accept this, the better.

If I magically end up being wrong, I'll be jumping for joy, mind you. I'm immensely disappointed there are no new models, though it sounds like the book will be good enough without them anyway.


All the Phoenix Kings have had dodgy, shonky little rituals performed on them prior to entering the flame..... Malekith did not, and he was the rightful heir to Aernarion's legacy.

I kind of like the idea of Alarielle purifying Malekith, perhaps even healing his ravaged body.

And I really, really hope Tyrion gets the Sword of Khaine shoved right where the sun doesn't shine. Yeah. Right under his pillow.

Malekith was not the rightful heir though, Aenarion's child with his first wife was. Malekith was essentially the second in line. He could very well be the rightful heir now, but he wasn't when Aenarion died.

Why the hate against Tyrion? Despite bearing the Curse of Aenarion and presumably going insane in the new End Times book, he is one of the greatest-ever Elf heroes and is the greatest living Elf warrior. He also happens to be Aenarion Reborn...which surely is going to have a big bearing on whatever happens in End Times: Khaine.


Rumours also managed to miss two of the three weeks of Nids releases :)

The reliable sources didn't, actually, and those are the same people saying there are no new Elf models.

[Mr Mystery]

I didn't see any rumblings about the pods and plastic Zoanthropes. Could have missed that though.

Stoked for this book though. Gonna have to pay attention to the internets on Friday to make sure I get my order in before it sells out. And the magic cards.

[Learn2Eel]

Hear hear!