Space Marines Rumor Roundup

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Well I'd say there is a 1 in 3 chance of it sucking, a 1 in 3 chance of it being OP and a 1 in 3 chance of it being nicely balanced.

#schadenfreude

Just be interesting and fun to play, for the love of god.

[Lexington]

Cruddace, eh? That's a surprise. Mildly disappointing - I was hoping for Vetock - but definitely happier than a much darker option who shall remain nameless. Still, 6th Ed's been a tide that's risen nearly all boats, book-wise, so I've high hopes. :)

[Popsical]

So a cruddex it is. Lets look at the record.
Sisters white dwarf dex: oh dear
Tyranids: had a year in the sun and then.... oh dear
Guard: darned good book with several non entities.

Well we have a 33% chance of a good book, and the techmarine is going to still be pants.

[flekkzo]

Cruddace, eh? That's a surprise. Mildly disappointing - I was hoping for Vetock - but definitely happier than a much darker option who shall remain nameless. Still, 6th Ed's been a tide that's risen nearly all boats, book-wise, so I've high hopes. :)

I prefer Ward for rules. I prefer his codexes over Cruddace's every single time. I did like Vetock's Tau, but his DA just seems like it came and went and nobody cared.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

All the codices are written as team efforts. The "author" is the project lead and lead writer.

Ward came up with Battle Focus, but Eldar has Phil Kelly and Adam Troke's names on the cover. And so on, and so on.

[Eberk]

>>>>>War Zone: Damnos<<<<<

Eagerly looking forward to that :-)

[MajorWesJanson]

There are only a couple of new units for Cruddace to really play around with, most the Marine armory is fairly well set be precedent- unlike a lot of codices, Marine units tend to see incremental changes rather than major shifts.

Most the prices I am fine with, but why are the Sternguard and Vanguard not $33 like the other 5 model boxes like GK or Death Company. And $30 for clampack plastics? The Farseer was $20, and the 4 captains in finecast were only $22.50. Why the huge jump?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

They might be kits with options rather than monopose packs. Other than that, no idea.

[Bigred]

Via Faeit 8-7-2013


Space Marines Products - Prices
Space Marine Codex
176 pages!!!!! $58
by Robin Cruddace
Cover pic is a close up Ultra Marine pointing forward into battle

War Zone: Damnos
by Phil Kelly
68pages $33

Space Marine Stalker/Hunter
$65
The three barreled Stalker and the Single large barreled Hunter

Space Marine Reclusiam Command Squad
$90
Includes Razorback 5 man command squad and a space marine chaplin

Space Marine Captain
1 model $30

Space Marine Librarian
1 model $30

Space Marine Strikeforce
39 models $220

Space Marine Centurion Devastator/ Assault Squad
3 models $78

Space Marine Tactical Squad
10 models $40

Space Marine Sternguard
5 models $50

Space Marine Vanguard
5 models $40

[Deadlift]

Could be Ward is working on the supplements ?

[Patrick Boyle]

They might be kits with options rather than monopose packs. Other than that, no idea.

This is the only explanation I can think of. As for Sternguard, that price puts them in line with terminators, which seems odd, especially as Vanguard are cheaper. Hopefully the kit will be stuffed with bits.

[Mr Mystery]

As ever, awaiting pics!

[Bigred]

via 40kRadio (https://www.facebook.com/pages/40K-Radio/147396461962884) 8-7-2013

Centurions
Heavy support choice. Living marine in heavier armor. PF, LC underslung on arms, HB, and Grav weapon option available. A heavier terminator armor that a marine straps into. 40mm Bases.

Hunter
An AAA Rhino. Visually a hybrid of the Vindicator's reinforced hull with a top mounted dual 3-barreled cannon weapon array. Alternative weapon option looks like the EPIC miniature, and fires missiles.

Vanguard
Plastic kit - In action poses similar to Death Company kit. Many assault weapons options including: TH/SS, LCs, Relic Blades, and many head options.

Sternguard
Plastic kit - Old veterans who have seen it all in visual style. Drumfed bolters as on the current metal models, and full weapon options, including Combi-options.

Tactical Marines:
General update to the kit. Look for more aesthetic detail such as purity seals, bonding studs, and subtle pose alterations. Missile launcher matches the Devastator kit.

Chaplain:
Plastic Kit - Bolt Pistol/Crozius. helmet and exposed head options.

Librarian:
Plastic kit - Exposed head. Force Staff, and Cherub.

[Brakkart]

As ever, awaiting pics!

You and me both, all of this does sound made of awesome. I'm mostly interested in the codex, sternguards and the new AA tank but I'm eager to see it all!

[bfmusashi]

Centurion seems like a really weird word choice when Captains fill the role. It's kind of giving me a headache, so here's hoping one of the other languages is radder (here's looking at you El Cataclysmo).

[Ravingbantha]

So the SM Codex is up in price over the others?

[Mr Mystery]

Starting to sound like a realistic clutch of kits.

Not massively sold on the sound of the Centurions though. Not opposed or anything, just not grabbed by the description.

[Patrick Boyle]

So the SM Codex is up in price over the others?

It's also apparently almost double the pages for some reason. Waiting for the WD on this one...

[Popsical]

The termytubbies give me a reason to use my thallax cohort in 40k. Bonus.

[Cpt Codpiece]

oh for the love of the omnisiah!

new maurines full spectrum....... my Mk VI mentor legion plans may well be out the window and just plain old mentor legion rolled out... dunno if i am happy or sad :)

[Deadlift]

I'm thinking imperial fists or raven guard. :o

[Ravingbantha]

It's also apparently almost double the pages for some reason. Waiting for the WD on this one...

Back in the day of 2ns edition, my friends and I used to joke that the game was called 40k, because that is what an average army costs to build and collect. GW keeps this up and it will be true by the end of the year. $50 for the current line of Codicies is already pushing it.

[Cpt Codpiece]

I'm thinking imperial fists or raven guard. :o

no... check out these bad boys hammers of dorn (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?sa=X&biw=1920&bih=955&tbm=isch&tbnid=1GWAaGX8cGBAkM:&imgrefurl=http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/24113122&docid=LjsmusZ8-vY1CM&imgurl=http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1347/34/1347348938100.jpg&w=1041&h=1500&ei=yb4CUvz_GKmK0AWgyYGgCQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:1,s:0,i:85&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=187&tbnw=138&start=0&ndsp=39&tx=109&ty=46), i know you can do it DL, its RG colours mixed with IF goodness :)

i am tempted myself, but i really love mentor legion :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Space Marines on my birth month, this is fate mate. :p

The Fire Angels are getting reinforcements methinks laaaaa.

[Bigred]

Centurion Devastator Squad
Shooting weapons mounted both on sides of torso and under each fist.
Fist weapons: HB, LC, Graviton Cannons
Torso weapons: Hurricane Bolters, ML

Centurion Assault Squad
Shooting weapons mounted both on sides of torso and close combat weapons under each fist.
Fist Weapons: Siege Drill w/Melta, or Flamer per arm.
Torso weapons: Hurricane Bolters, Ironclad Assault Launcher.

[Xarga]

Found some more info over at Pins of War were they have quoted someone from dakkadakka. Take how much credibility you like with this post but it looks consistent with what we've heard from other sources. Here's the direct quote:

Rumors by Herr Dexter - from dakkadakka


Hey guys

I managed to get a deeper look into the upcoming White Dwarf which obviously showcases the new SM stuff. I promised not to take any pictures and since my possible future early insight into WD depends on it – I won’t
Take it as you wish, but this isn’t salt – this is what exactly is coming

BOOKS:
- Codex: Space Marines with a very nice picture of badass looking Space Marine (probably best C:SM cover so far)
- confirmed the 7 limited versions
- none showed in WD, all mentioned obviously as mail-order only
- small Apocalypse Warzone will also be released (unsure if it’s digital only or not) – Damnos (see the BL book “Fall of Damnos” – basicly Necrons vs. Ultramarines)

PLASTIC KITS:

Space Marine Captain & Space Marine Librarian (2 separate clamp-packs)
- not to confuse with multi-part customisable Space Marines Commander set which should stay around
- those are like Cadre Fireblade, Aspiring Champion etc… 1 pose, plastic
- Captain has Cato Sicarius-like helmet and lots of bling, has a very similar pose to Captain from AOBR, Power Sword and Combi-Grav
- Librarian has beard (a lot of SM beards + bald heads in this release) and a skull-cap thingy wihich makes him look a bit like… Merlin
- Librarian also has a power staff (or whatever you call that) held horizontally, and one ugly herub-like servitor cupid (creepy stuff)

Reclusiam Command Squad
- not sure if this replaces SM Command Squad kit
- contains the mentioned SM Command Squad (don’t see any changes here), a plastic Chaplain and… Razorback – all for 55£
- this definetly isn’t the prettiest Chaplain model out there but it has some nice bitz, nice big skully Crozius and 2 heads – one bald with Kano-like face implant and the other is a skull helmet (looks a bit iffy)
- he also has purity seals with massive ribbons/parchments blown by the wind

Sternguard Veterans
- A W E S O M E!
- all the best elements fromt heir old metal versions, long loincloths, tons of bling, ornaments on helmets and armor, seems to have lot of bitz
- finally we get plastic versions of combi-weapons, all seem to be here including the new Combi-Grav
- nice new plastic Heavy Flamer and Heavy Bolter (version with drum-mag)
- badass heads and poses (yap, another bald head with beard)
- sergeant has a “roman-mohawk” on his helmet (not the Sicarius one, other way around)
- 5 models in box

Vanguard Veterans
- slightly less bling then their on-foot veteran brothers
- nice ornaments on chainswords and power sword (relic/master-crafted versions?)
- mohawk head for sarge (like Lord Executioner, perhaps it’s a trend for jump-packers?)
- some nice aquila markings on jump packs
- awesome power-sword / relic blade
- not as jaw dropping as Sternguards, sadly
- 5 models in box

(NEW) Tactical Squad
- 10 models, price increased slightly (we could have seen that coming, couldn’t we?)
- not many changes here, will nicely mix with bits from old kit
- major addition is more head variants and new Grav-Gun and Grav-Pistol
- some new ornaments on backpacks and shoulder pads (not all, just few bits to make some difference among marines)
- interesting bits: Auspex is back! (but DA heralded that already), set of bolter/arms during reload (looks cool), badass Combi-Flamer, nice new (smaller) Power Fist
- I would suggest buying a box of Tactical Squad that’s currently in sale before next month (it’ll surely be gone by then) to have a wider array of bits (unless you already have tons of them)

Now let’s clear some rumors regarding new vehicles:
- NO new rhino kit, still the same, old, badly cast chassis with massive holes after you glue it :( (
- NO new versions of Razorback / Predator / Whirlwind – all stays the same apparently
- NO sign of Rhino-variants (but perhaps they just differ rule-wise)
- NO “Big Walker” – forget about Dreadknight / Riptide / Wraithknight counterpart for SM :((
- NO new Skimmers / Flyers (especially no sign of one that was mentioned in rumours recently)
- NO new Bikes, Landriders or Dreadnaughts :(
- basicly, unless I mention it as a kit above or below – it’s not getting any update / remake / new model

Stalker / Hunter
- the rumored dual-kit AA tank
- lots of new parts, side armor is massive and has some kind of pistons that seem to be pinning it to the ground
- front plate is also different from other vehicles on Rhino-chassis: Stalker / Hunter has one that looks a bit Heresy-era with a “bumper” that looks similarly to the one Landspeeder has (that belt-of-cubes bumper thing)

- Stalker is the one with dual 3-barrel autocannon-like guns, it also has a nice radar dish, really badass look
- it’s described as rapid-firing AA (guess it’s SM version of IG Hydra)
- now here’s big thing: it’s not twin-link! those are TWO SEPARATE guns that are mentioned to be able to shoot at TWO SEPARATE targets

- Hunter is the one that looks like that vintage SM Hunter tank – one massive AA turret barrel
- shoots “Skyspear Rockets” but no details on special rules here

Centurion Devastator Squad / Centurion Assault Squad
- the “Big Suits” everyone is talking about, apparently they are this release’s big spotlight
- Devastators are Heavy Support (duh!) and Assaults are… Fast Attack (what did you expect?)
- come in plastic kits, 3 models per box
- they really look like if the exoskelton is worn ON the Power Armour – their heads look super tiny
- they remind me more of power loader that Ripley piloted in Aliens movie than “child of contemptor and dread” as someone described
- they all seem to have same weapon in each hand and something mounted on the chest
- the Devastator options displayed contained Lascannons and Heavy Bolters
- the Assault options were Breaching Drills (like that arm FW’s Siege Dread has) with Stormbolters(?) attached, no other arm option shown
- the “chest weapon” apparently gave us choice of : frag lanuchers, mini-hurricane bolter (?!) and some rockets (chest mounted Typhoon ML?)
- it will take some time getting used to those models on battlefield but with their bulky simplicity they will surely be canon part of fluff in few years

That’s all I remember. Hope it will give you some idea / clear some things up
Cheers!

[bfmusashi]

The more they talk about it the more I keep seeing the Sumo Armor from Macross in my head. 4510

[bfmusashi]

4509 heroic intervention!

[The Sovereign]

As a Wolves player, I say the more bare mohawk heads, the better!

[deinol]

As a Wolves player, I say the more bare mohawk heads, the better!

I'm willing to trade any bald/bearded/Mohawk/non-helmeted heads I end up with for beaky helmets.

[eldargal]

http://www.anony.ws/i/2013/08/08/Fvpz.jpg

TUBBINATORS! Yay!

[Brakkart]

Those must be the Assault version of Centurions then. Not bad, but I'm more interested in seeing the Devastator version. I like the look of the Stalker tank.

[Clockwork]

http://www.anony.ws/ku1q

http://www.anony.ws/ku1R

Oh shiny. Do you have anymore?

[kire]

interesting. i dont see why people were saying the centurions had power armor for there power armor it looks like one suite to me. in fact im pleasantly surprised i thought they would look terrible.

[eldargal]

http://www.anony.ws/i/2013/08/08/i1Stg.jpg
Much prettier than my last stalker.

#wit

[Deadlift]

Those suits are ripe for converting to obliterators :)

[daboarder]

Sigh, trying so hard not to think of what these will do to my heldrakes.....

Don't really like the centurions, could be the paint job, GWs style almost never looks good, but they seem....I dunno miss proportioned. Though I can see a lot of chaos player using them as oblits

[MajorWesJanson]

Those suits are ripe for converting to obliterators :)

Or better, meganobz.

[AkimboGogurts]

Now I just need pictures of the Sternguard and Tacs and I'll be a happy man :P

[MajorWesJanson]

Now I just need pictures of the Sternguard and Tacs and I'll be a happy man :P

Vanguard and characters as well.

[Popsical]

I like the look of the AAA tank. Very nice.
The termytubbies, lets hope its GWs usual awful photography. Please.

[lattd]

AA tank looks amazing the centurions just look meh to me and that's the first GW kit in a long time that I've said is meh.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

DO WANT!

They all look cool. :D

[energongoodie]

Tank looks good.
Centurions... not so much.
I was hoping they'd look more like the pencil artwork we saw. I'm hoping it's the angle of the picture and all that but I'm not holding my breath. Shame :(

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I expected the aborted lovechild of a Dreadknight and a Contemptor...
I'm glad that I'm wrong.

They will look totes amaze balls in the colours of the Fire Angels.

[Denzark]

Must admit not a huge fan of the look of the big chappies. What springs to mind is those attempted squat rip-offs in that other game - are they called Forge-fathers? Anyhoo, I hope to be proved wrong in the flesh.

I do however like the AA tank and hope it has skyfire and interceptor.

[rabid_stoat]

I think the heads will have to go. Replace them with tactical or even terminator marine helms and they'll look rather more professional.

One wonders how fast these 'fast attack' marines are. And what synergy they may have with terminators or dreadnoughts. I'd like to see some units complement each other better in C:SM.

[rabid_stoat]

Double post.

Also I hope that tank is as good at multi-role as it looks. Hard to justify dedicated AA in my army lists.

[Popsical]

I agree about the heads, helmets would look way better. Hmmm maybe fw cataphract heads.

[StraightSilver]

I think the heads will have to go. Replace them with tactical or even terminator marine helms and they'll look rather more professional.

One wonders how fast these 'fast attack' marines are. And what synergy they may have with terminators or dreadnoughts. I'd like to see some units complement each other better in C:SM.

Well as it's more than likely that vanilla marines will now be getting the Storm Raven I suspect these will be dropped out of the assault ramp with a Dread for back up?

I for one though would be embarrassed doing that as I think both the Storm Raven and the Centurions look like kid's toys....

And I am so not a fan of the Stalker / Hunter aesthetically, just sloppy lazy design again from GW. But of course the rules make it an essential purchase which is annoying.

However I am very hopeful regarding the Sternguard and Vanguard as I have been putting off buying both in Finecrap but do need some in my army.

[Popsical]

No not the kids toys thing again!
Nerdrants are imminent.

[daboarder]

And I am so not a fan of the Stalker / Hunter aesthetically, just sloppy lazy design again from GW. But of course the rules make it an essential purchase which is annoying.

Do you know those rules? Because sharing is caring

[Poseidal]

I think the Centurions would look ok with beefy helmets (which you probably can't get for them, but even a normal helmet would look less silly than unhelmeted).

With the unhelmeted look, they look almost as bad as Contemptors or Venerable Dreads.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Reminds me of the Handymen.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130414183307/bioshock/images/5/51/Handyman.png

[StraightSilver]

Do you know those rules? Because sharing is caring

Well I probably know as much as anybody but two heavy 3 Icarus las cannons that can fire at 2 different targets with Interceptor or Skyfire mean that they should be able to realistically pop 2 flyers a turn.

Stick Chronus in there and it becomes a beast.

[StraightSilver]

No not the kids toys thing again!
Nerdrants are imminent.


Sorry, I guess that comment probably could be seen as inflammatory but I just haven't like many of the latest designs especially the Storm Raven, Storm Talon, Dread Knight, Thunderfire cannon, IronClad Dread.

They just don't seem to fit in with a lot of the marine aesthetic and look thrown together.

Ever since they moved over to CAD they have made kits with much better options as they can get more on a sprue, but the actual design of their vehicles has been a bit sub par (in my opinion).

Their infantry though (Blood Angels especially) has got better which is why I'm excited by the Stern Guard / Vanguard vets.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I do actually like the centurions but im not keen on the exposed heads or paintjobs. I'd love to see them with Iron armour style helmets and iron-hands colours...

[StraightSilver]

And in yellow with hats on... :)

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af307/MacraggePDF/Centurionswithhelmets.jpg (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/MacraggePDF/media/Centurionswithhelmets.jpg.html)

[rabid_stoat]

Well as it's more than likely that vanilla marines will now be getting the Storm Raven I suspect these will be dropped out of the assault ramp with a Dread for back up?

I for one though would be embarrassed doing that as I think both the Storm Raven and the Centurions look like kid's toys....

And I am so not a fan of the Stalker / Hunter aesthetically, just sloppy lazy design again from GW. But of course the rules make it an essential purchase which is annoying.

However I am very hopeful regarding the Sternguard and Vanguard as I have been putting off buying both in Finecrap but do need some in my army.

Hah! Thanks, you're right. Now I've REALLY got to get a Stormraven!

Re the 'kid's toys' bit - I think the execution will be everything here. A lot of SM stuff looks very GIJOE, but with the right paintjob and maybe after market parts from Chapterhouse, Anvil Industries and Scibor it can still be made to work. These Centurions exemplify that but might just fit Scibor parts for a change.

Have to agree about the Stalker.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And in yellow with hats on... :)

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af307/MacraggePDF/Centurionswithhelmets.jpg (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/MacraggePDF/media/Centurionswithhelmets.jpg.html)

Okay, don't like them in yellow... But, the helmets look cool.

[Poseidal]

Vanilla Marines have had the Land Gull since 6th edition, or at least Death from the Skies.

It (and the Goldfish) might get slightly re-statted in the new book, but who knows?

Transporting things in it currently is a death trap. Putting expensive Termitubbies in along with a Dreadnought is asking for trouble.

EDIT: Interestingly, the leader of the IF Termitubbies is a Techmarine, not a veteran sergeant.

[Popsical]

GHASTLY! Thank god for thallax cohort, i will be proxying if i can, either that or make cataphract conversions.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

:O

If the leader of the unit is a Techmarine then I'll be happy. The Fire Angels have golden Techmarines. :D

[Flammenwerfer13]

http://www.anony.ws/ku1q

http://www.anony.ws/ku1R

Please post actual links. Lots of places auto-block URL shortners.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Hmm! Those guys look like unstoppable walking tanks. I suspect the ones with underslung heavy bolters on their arms will look better than the ones with hammers. I quite like 'em.

Tank looks very cool.

[energongoodie]

More pics....Now I really don't like them.
I wanted to like these so bad.

[Kaotic.Disorder]

Okay, don't like them in yellow... But, the helmets look cool.

Wooo sun marines. Blind the enemy to death.

[daboarder]

Well I probably know as much as anybody but two heavy 3 Icarus las cannons that can fire at 2 different targets with Interceptor or Skyfire mean that they should be able to realistically pop 2 flyers a turn.

Stick Chronus in there and it becomes a beast.

Well firstly those arent las cannons. Apparently they are icarus cannons. Note the missing las.

Furthermore the barrels do not have the distinctive las cannon muzzle break.

I think these are going to be along the lines of S8-7 maybe with interceptor

[StraightSilver]

Sorry, yep that was a typo on my part, they are Icarus cannons but not las. Apparently they are strength 8 with Skyfire and Interceptor, but that's just from other rumour threads.

[daboarder]

Whci is not really necessary. Still probably less chance of killing a flier than a waveserpent or a broadside squad

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Wooo sun marines. Blind the enemy to death.

Sounds like Lizardmen trickery to me.

[LostInTheDark]

Okay, don't like them in yellow... But, the helmets look cool.

The breathing grill (or whatever its called) makes them look like they are angry robots. Or maybe just a bit disappointed. :) They remind me of the little knockoff transformers that fold up to make a generic jet fighter or car. They always seem to have tiny heads.

They just don't look like they would have any meaningful locomotion over open ground, more of a waddle at best. Does anyone know what the background for them is? I could see them leading the charge out of a boarding torpedo.

[Daveisdvd]

Not sure if you guys have seen this yet but these are awesome pics of the new marine suits

https://www.facebook.com/groups/109577025797447/

[Maakeff]

Which seven Legions would it be on the seven Limited Edition covers? Ignoring traitor legions, the two lost legions, & Dark Angels/Blood Angels/Space Wolves, I make it six remaining first founding legions - White Scars, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Ultramarines, Salamanders & Raven Guard... I suppose the seventh could be a generic "Astartes" cover. *shrugs*

[daboarder]

Word is BT got rolled into C:SM

[Popsical]

Time for termytubbies, time for termytubbies. Squads laa la, dipsy and po, advance! Squad tinky winky, hold the rear!
Eho!

[Daveisdvd]

Yes I must admit they look like the fat man suit from the first Iron Man movie...

[StraightSilver]

Yeah the seventh is definitely Black Templars, the new Dex has rules for them and the WD battle report is BTs vs Chaos so they are definitely in there.

On the one hand I would have preferred their own Dex as I also have a BT army, but then again on the other it means i don't have to buy another one!! :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Someone get pictures of the Tactical squad and the Veterans please!


EDIT: And the clampacks!

[eldargal]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/1010917_10152078665931102_915228829_n.jpg
I'd hit it.

Thanks StraightSilver.

[worrywort]

Okay, don't like them in yellow... But, the helmets look cool.

I'm not really fan with the centurion...

Maybe with some other pictures... ANd with a Raven Guard army, I'm not sure they are in the same modus operandi.

[Arthfael]

Where do the Centurions' arms fit exactly? Yes, marines have broad shoulders, and yes, I can overlook a certain level of exaggeration (I'm looking at you, Terminator suits) but if the marines' arms are meant to fit in these huge arms which start 50 cm from the actual shoulders then this is just plain ridiculous.

[Maakeff]

What you can't see is that they're curled up in a foetal position inside them, with a giant spike stuck into the base of their necks... :-)

[Kirsten]

wasn't keen at first glance, but they are growing on me. the bottom right imperial fist one in the really bad pose doesn't help at all, the other two look much better actually doing something. I could well see these in my Minotaurs siege army.

[Mr Mystery]

Sigh, trying so hard not to think of what these will do to my heldrakes.....


Give them a good shooing with any luck :p

And now for something constructive...

Really liking the AA Rhino thing.

Centurions....prefer them with their lids. From the photos, the poses look a bit clunky, so will need to see other angles on them.

[Tyrendian]

I do wonder what rules GW will give the Centurions to make them distinct from Terminators... two wounds I'd guess (hello Paladins and Oblits, nothing to write home about really...), maybe a 4++ (nothing special either...), respectable weapon loadout but nothing all to crazy it seems - so where's the point really? What do you guys think?

[GravesDisease]

Lol, what is this even supposed to be?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

[Cap'nSmurfs]

The main "issue" with the Centurions is they're a bit static, but I like the sheer weight and menace of the things. I mean, they're huge clunking machines. You can imagine them stomping forward, guns blazing. I can totally see these as elite breaching troops.

Always put your helmet on. What's the point of being a walking tank if you're not going to put your helmet on? ;)

I don't know, GravesDisease, what IS that?

[Mr Mystery]

Lol, what is this even supposed to be?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

Looks like some kind of battle robot....... Definitely Heresy era, judging by the design of the missile launcher.

For those at work.... http://i.imgur.com/MzhTAtG.jpg

[Kirsten]

The main "issue" with the Centurions is they're a bit static, but I like the sheer weight and menace of the things. I mean, they're huge clunking machines. You can imagine them stomping forward, guns blazing. I can totally see these as elite breaching troops.

they definitely need to be walking forward, unstoppable juggernaut style. I really liked the description of cataphractii terminator armour in Angel Exterminatus that the wearer has to keep moving at all times, keep the momentum going or they get bogged down, and I think the same would apply here. striding inexorably forward, film Terminator style.

[Kirsten]

Looks like some kind of battle robot....... Definitely Heresy era, judging by the design of the missile launcher.

For those at work.... http://i.imgur.com/MzhTAtG.jpg

looks like it is made of lego :p

[Mr Mystery]

I do wonder if it's made up of spare bits from the AA tank?

Other than that, it certainly wasn't rumoured!

[Defenestratus]

Those yellow things are horrible models.


I can't find a single thing (other than the paint job which is nice) redeeming about them. Proportion, pose, depth... failure on all levels to me.

[Frankie DiSalvo]

Lol, what is this even supposed to be?

http://imgur.com/MzhTAtG

This thing is a mystery!

[eldargal]

I think the proportions are fine, it's a giant battle suit afterall and the IoM doesn't go in for lithe constructs like the eldar. Contrary to popular opinion human heads don't grow in size depending on the battle armour they are wearing either.;)

[Kirsten]

maybe it is the devastator centurion :p

[bfmusashi]

The Centurions make me sad, but I dig that AA tank.

[Mr Mystery]

Though I feel the need to express a concern.....

The Centurions come in a squad. Appear to have heavy weapons and special weapon side arms.... Therefore leaving what point to a Dreadnought?

[Tyrendian]

Though I feel the need to express a concern.....

The Centurions come in a squad. Appear to have heavy weapons and special weapon side arms.... Therefore leaving what point to a Dreadnought?

being a vehicle, and thus immune to small arms fire... which is a trait regular terminators don't have, so I am more worried about either of those two eclipsing the other than about Dreads (which, lets face it, have seen better days anyway...)

[Kirsten]

Though I feel the need to express a concern.....

The Centurions come in a squad. Appear to have heavy weapons and special weapon side arms.... Therefore leaving what point to a Dreadnought?

different force organisation slot I would imagine

[Mr Mystery]

But conversely less vulnerable to 'single strike deaths' at the hands of powerful weapons.

The larger squad size likewise gives these appeal of their own.

As you correctly pointed out, Dreads are somewhat lacklustre these days. I know it's a long time ago, but in 2nd Ed, Dreadnought weapons had extra perks. Lascannons were more accurate, ripple fire Missile Launcher, twistfisty and so on.

[RGilbert26]

Looks like some kind of battle robot....... Definitely Heresy era, judging by the design of the missile launcher.

For those at work.... http://i.imgur.com/MzhTAtG.jpg

Looks fake to me.

[Kirsten]

Looks fake to me.

I agree, flat base as much as anything. still think it might be lego too.

[Tyrendian]

But conversely less vulnerable to 'single strike deaths' at the hands of powerful weapons.

The larger squad size likewise gives these appeal of their own.

As you correctly pointed out, Dreads are somewhat lacklustre these days. I know it's a long time ago, but in 2nd Ed, Dreadnought weapons had extra perks. Lascannons were more accurate, ripple fire Missile Launcher, twistfisty and so on.

well I imagine these to have two wounds, so meltaguns will worry them almost as much as a dread...
Also, they'll probably be Extremely Bulky, so Drop Podding a full squad would not work - which is one of the few ways to make a Dread really good these days, especially with full flame loadout (Ironclad preferably)... we'll have to wait for more info on whether we can Deep Strike these like Terminators...

[eldargal]

Bear in mind we don't know how the dreadnought rules may have changed.

[RGilbert26]

I suspect the Fast Attack version with either have Jet Packs or they'll be Jump Infantry.

[rabid_stoat]

Those yellow things are horrible models.


I can't find a single thing (other than the paint job which is nice) redeeming about them. Proportion, pose, depth... failure on all levels to me.

Curiously I'm the opposite. Can't stand the tragic yellow. The blue ones look better, albeit with stupid heads. I wonder if I can convert one into a captain...

Anyway, mine will look much better. That tank on the other hand...

[Mr Mystery]

Bear in mind we don't know how the dreadnought rules may have changed.

A pox upon your voice of reason! :p But yeah. Though I think I'd just take a Contemptor every time instead. Love those models!

[Gir]

I agree, flat base as much as anything. still think it might be lego too.

It looks like it's on the oval flyer base. Something about it looks off though, so I to will go with fake.

[Kirsten]

It looks like it's on the oval flyer base. Something about it looks off though, so I to will go with fake.

looks like the old flat base to me, unless that thing is really huge

[energongoodie]

Model kit fakery.

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[Mr Mystery]

Could be an all new base.

It could be a fake, but then, could be real.

[Mr Mystery]

Model kit.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/62346234@N00/227407745/

Can someone yoink this off Flickr? Work blocked!

Cheers other EG!

[Defenestratus]

A pox upon your voice of reason! :p But yeah. Though I think I'd just take a Contemptor every time instead. Love those models!

Well considering the CSM dreadnoughts rules didn't change but in very minor ways, I'd say that dreads are going to stay about the same.

[energongoodie]

Can someone yoink this off Flickr? Work blocked!

done

[rabid_stoat]

Wasn't there a rumour about Dreads 'inspiring' the marines around them? That seemed plausible to me.

[Mr Mystery]

Certainly possible.

Company/Relic Banner, mounted on a Venerable? Yes please!

I miss Banners!

[GravesDisease]

Well considering the CSM dreadnoughts rules didn't change but in very minor ways, I'd say that dreads are going to stay about the same.

That and they are almost entirely unchanged in codex dark angels.

[h_n_f]

Fake fortunately.

http://www.hobbygen.com/bmz_cache/a/a2cf48ae97cce7eafd0eeacb43c7582b.image.300x450.jpg

[Defenestratus]

Bitz Store8:39 AM+1
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The first reactions on the next Space Marines are not very welcoming overall.
The reactions of social networks is very hard. That is the same on Facebook.

Seems the only fans are, unsuprisingly, here on BoLS Forum.

[eldargal]

Well there has to be some corner of the internet (relatively) free of whining brats.

[caseymoose1]

Well there has to be some corner of the internet (relatively) free of whining brats.

Thankfully!

[magickbk]

I've gotten in the habit of waiting before passing judgement. The past few releases, the initial leak pictures have been of the worst assembly option, and the worst camera angle. The Fireblade, Riptide, and Wraithknight all initially were hated, but when people saw what could be done with the kits opinion started to turn.

[sebi81]

I don´t like the centurions assault weapons. They don´t look as if they would work on the place they are attached. Perhaps the devastator version will look better.

[eldargal]

It happens every release:

A handful of poor quality pictures released, met with hows of outrage.
A few more, better pictures released, opinion mellows
Pre-orders go up, 360 pictures go up, opinion turns positive.

Every. Single. Release.

[Denzark]

I've thought of something good for these. Reckon the original Rogue Trader Dreads are about of a size - so retro being the new black, that is probably what I would substitute if the weapons loadout fits...

[FireHazard]

I'm not so keen on what I can see in the pics, however:

a) Initial pics are usually a bit poop and don't do the minis justice

b) My lot most likely won't be able to use them anyway

I am looking forward to seeing the Sternguard and Vanguard though :)

[Kaika87]

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Found this out there, not sure if it's been posted here yet.

EDIT: Nevermind, guess I should read threads more thoroughly.

[phoenix01]

It happens every release:

A handful of poor quality pictures released, met with hows of outrage.
A few more, better pictures released, opinion mellows
Pre-orders go up, 360 pictures go up, opinion turns positive.

Every. Single. Release.

But if there wasn't a massive cry of internet anguish meeting every release, the world would stop revolving in it's track around the sun and just roll into Saturn.

[bluepowerade]

I wish that the centurions just weren't so static. Models release recently have been so much more dynamic, and the legs on these new guys just bothers me. I do like the middle guy however, as he looks more dynamic

[Defenestratus]

Well there has to be some corner of the internet (relatively) free of whining brats.

Or apparently, critical opinion.

but whatever... continue "being in your bunk"


It happens every release:

A handful of poor quality pictures released, met with hows of outrage.
A few more, better pictures released, opinion mellows
Pre-orders go up, 360 pictures go up, opinion turns positive.

Every. Single. Release.

Really? Opinion has turned on Oblits, Muts, and the Heldrake models? They're pretty lampooned at least with people I talk to.

The Eldar release overall was nice, but the plane still looks dumb no matter what angle you look at it from, and the WK still is getting mixed reviews. But if you have your GW Mephiston Red colored glasses on, you couldn't ever find a fault in anything they've ever done. Ever.

[eldargal]

Or apparently, critical opinion.

but whatever... continue "being in your bunk"
Hardly, there has been plenty of critical appraisals, just not the petulant whining notable to other forums. I'm actually disappointed with them, I got it into my head that they would be like little contemptors (I think because people said they were midway between a terminator and a Contemptor) but they aren't that tubby, just bricklike. The poses are too static and there are a few other things that bug me about them. But my own subjective feelings on them doesn't translate to 'omg GW are teh lazy and suxx0rZ!1'.

[Lexington]

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Jesus. Just...no. No. These are criminally bad. I am calling the police.


It happens every release:

A handful of poor quality pictures released, met with hows of outrage.
A few more, better pictures released, opinion mellows
Pre-orders go up, 360 pictures go up, opinion turns positive.

Every. Single. Release.
Seems unlikely for these - the pictures are a little grainy, but nothing's particularly blurred, plus we have clutches of three in both photos, with different angles and poses - enough to get a good idea of their particular shape. They're just terrible from all sorts of design angles. You really have to wonder how these things got through the door.

[eldargal]

They are all the same pose and angle roughly as far as I can see.

[Wolfshade]

They are OP! Well done GW you broke the game :o

[Denzark]

Sorry Wolfy my irony meter is broken?

[Wolfshade]

Irony rating 56 :)

I am surprised that no one has commented that the games is broken or that the Centuars (yes I know that isn't their name but I like it) are over powered since this usually happens.

[eldargal]

Not even a hint of rules rumour to base the nerdrage on, I'm sure it will come in time.

"Ermagerd the rules will be OP cos GW want teh sales!"
"Ermagerd they aren't OP GW sux at writing teh rules!"

[Wolfshade]

Not even a hint of rules rumour to base the nerdrage on, I'm sure it will come in time.

Doesn't usually stop it. I hear that the exo-suits count as armour with an AV of 16 and 4.3 billion hit points....

I like the look of these, not the thing carrying the FW Scorpious launcher but in general. Nor do I like the the seige drills, but ho-hum.

[Patrick Boyle]

So yeah, Black Templars look to be part of C:SM? The battle report supposedly has Templar units in the marine list, and not as allies. BT players around the internet seem to be flipping their **** over it, but with a 170 page book it seems like there should be plenty of room for them to be represented properly, even if it's an odd way for GW to go with it.


Doesn't usually stop it. I hear that the exo-suits count as armour with an AV of 16 and 4.3 billion hit points....

I like the look of these, not the thing carrying the FW Scorpious launcher but in general. Nor do I like the the seige drills, but ho-hum.

That thing is confirmed to be an elaborate fake. Go back to page 37 in this thread for pictures of the Japanese mecha model kit used to make it.

[Wolfshade]

That thing is confirmed to be an elaborate fake. Go back to page 37 in this thread for pictures of the Japanese mecha model kit used to make it.

There are only 10 pages to this thread :)

[magickbk]

It will be interesting to see what the rules on these are like. It's possible that Terminators may disappear for a while in favor of these (like in early 3rd edition).

I'm thinking that given the three leg sets we see, if one were to make both the assault option and devastator option, putting two of that static leg pose on the big guns would sort of even it out. The ones striding forward look okay, and maybe just bringing some of those arms up would be good.

Also:

There are only 10 pages to this thread :)

Diffusion through confusion?

[Galadren]

So, Black Templars are getting rolled in AND the book is written by Cruddace.

The enthusiasm I had for this book is quickly dying to be replaced by a sense of creeping dread.

[interrogator_chaplain]

I'm relatively new here, so I'm not sure if we can post up leaked pics, but pics of the Centurions are up on Ded'Ard BlogSpot.

http://dedard.blogspot.ca/2013/08/new-space-marine-models-leaked.html

[Cap'nSmurfs]

It's Space Marines. What kind of huge, glaring changes can be made to Space Marines to render them suddenly terrible?

Space Marines rarely actually change much. They get some new stuff, their options and prices get shuffled around.

[magickbk]

It's Space Marines. What kind of huge, glaring changes can be made to Space Marines to render them suddenly terrible?

Space Marines rarely actually change much. They get some new stuff, their options and prices get shuffled around.

From past experience, there is one rule that suddenly changes Marines and how they play, and that is any changes to 'And they shall know no fear...'

[Cap'nSmurfs]

And that's in the main rulebook.

I think there'll be some new variations on Chapter Tactics, Combat Tactics itself may change, but honestly, you can't really mess up Space Marines.

On the "won't it make Dreadnoughts obsolete" question - maybe. Depends on what Dreadnoughts do vs. Centurions, but it also depends on how much they cost and what slots they fill. And, of course, what kind of army you're building. Centurions would look great in an Imperial Fists siege force alongside a Dread or two, they look made for an Iron Hands battlegroup, etc. Probably not so much Raven Guard, but it's up to you!

[StraightSilver]

Well Assault Centurions come from fast Attack and Devastator / Ranged Centurions come from Heavy Support.

Terminators and Dreadnoughts come from Elites.

So you could in fact field HQ + Termis, 3 x Termi Squads / 3 x Dreadnoughts, 3 x Assault Centurions, 3 x Devastator Centurions.

So kinda Wolf Wing / Death Wing but packing a lot more punch.

[TeDasCuen]

Hi all!
I have a question:

If the BT are added to the C:SM, then what happens with the allied levels? I mean, BT and SoB are "desperate allies", but SM and SoB are "allies of convenience".

By the way I read at some places where people think that the battle report in the WD is SM + BT vs CSM + CD, then BT would not be added to the C:SM.

Thanks.

[Popsical]

Ok. A challenge for you techie wizards out there.
Can someone post a piccie of a centurion minus the drills please.
I have a feeling they will look far better.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I reckon they'll look awesomer in the Much Dakka variation as well.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Can't say I really like the yellow ones, at all. I want to like these models though so i hope other pictures will change my mind..

[eldargal]

I actually prefer the Ultramarines picture, they seem to have a bit more variation in leg pose. Pity about the silly bare heads.

[lattd]

Just to add to the rumours apparently BT have been moved back into C:SM just like third edition.

[irnmonkey]

imhttp://s1289.photobucket.com/user/irnmonkey/media/1001738_539598516106555_1374653076_n_zps2544112c.j pg.html

taken from a distributors facebook, looks like the centurion assault models

[magickbk]

Just to add to the rumours apparently BT have been moved back into C:SM just like third edition.

In 3rd Edition BT were the 'cover' chapter for the edition, but didn't yet have any differences from a standard marine chapter except some story snippets. In Codex: Armageddon (a third of the way through 3rd) they were given a unique organization and some special rules.

[Kirsten]

the legs might come in bits and be poseable for all we know, they might not be just three poses.

[Tynskel]

GW just posted the Teaser for the Centurions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRflfyievk

[nicromancer]

That tank looks like a complete cluster****. nothing about it seems finished ,kind of like lots of different designs just got smushed together due to time limits.

[rybnick]

GW just posted the Teaser for the Centurions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRflfyievk

I think you meant to link this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQT00ZSVzcg) gem. On a side note I'm not a huge fan of the new Centurion models, but the Hunter/Stalker tank looks pretty sweet! Here's hoping for a Raven Guard supplement and LS Storms being a dedicated transport!

[Tynskel]

uh, dude. uh, that's the way *all* imperium tanks look.

[notsoevil]

Quite excited to get my hands on the shooty versions of the Centurions. Never got around to building my Oblits, and even the melee versions look like a good base for Oblits. Nurglefication on its way.

[Brakkart]

GW just posted the Teaser for the Centurions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRflfyievk

Heh I'm guessing this might be why I actually like these Centurions as I loved Exosquad as a kid. That cartoon kicked all kinds of *** and didn't shy away from some very serious material in its storylines. Course seeing the Centurions painted up in Imperial Fist colours helped too. I wasn't that fond of them as Ultramarines, but in glorious yellow and red with those Angry Marine-esque helmets. Yes please!

[nicromancer]

uh, dude. uh, that's the way *all* imperium tanks look.

No ,all imperial tank follow a similar aesthetic style ,this one looks as if they took a few different concept sketches ,crushed them into a single render and didn't bother making it all work together.

[Brakkart]

No ,all imperial tank follow a similar aesthetic style ,this one looks as if they took a few different concept sketches ,crushed them into a single render and didn't bother making it all work together.

Yeah but their "similar aesthetic style" basically boils down to "I'll take a bit of this WW1 era tank, some of this WW2 era tank and a bit of that one too and some modern tank elements and a dash of sci-fi for good measure, throw in a blender, hit the switch and pour out a new imperial tank". By that standard, this new Stalker tank fits right in.

[Black Flame]

Hi all, It's my first post so don't blame me too much if it's in the wrong section, since is a space marine rumor, also if coming from back 30k, seems nice to place it here instead of open another topic.

to make a long story short,

28mm scale, Vulkan Salamanders Primarch.
Don't know the truthness of the origin, but seems in line with the other primarchs...

http://www.forgeworld-discount.com/images/zoom.png

it has not in my opinion the tipycal african face traits seen in various pics for salamanders..

[Galadren]

If I had won the Powerball last night and woke up to these rumors today I'd have flown to GW, slapped Jervis in the face, then thrown a million dollars at him and told him to get Phil Kelly in here to write me a real book.

[Kirsten]

I actually think a huge improvement could be made to the centurions by cutting the extra toes off to the sides and rear and leaving them with more normal looking boots so they look like they are advancing. the four toed dreadnought feet work fine on the wide legged dreadnought, but look a bit odd on more humanoid shaped models, makes the legs spread wider at the bottom than top

[bfmusashi]

The one in the back is clearly supposed to be advancing, but you'd never be able to tell from the angle. Seriously, these are some wonky little dudes that have taken the dislocated shoulder look of the Space Marines and run screaming off into the night with it. They really remind me of the Obliterators they released with C:CSM only wads of armor plate instead of gum.

[Patrick Boyle]

No ,all imperial tank follow a similar aesthetic style ,this one looks as if they took a few different concept sketches ,crushed them into a single render and didn't bother making it all work together.

It kinda reminds me of this (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Vehicle-Accessories/RHINO---PREDATOR-REINFORCED-ARMOUR.html), which is fine in my book. More angles on it would be nice, as well as seeing the other turret option.

[Mr Mystery]

If I had won the Powerball last night and woke up to these rumors today I'd have flown to GW, slapped Jervis in the face, then thrown a million dollars at him and told him to get Phil Kelly in here to write me a real book.

Wow. Hyperbole aimed at someone you don't know for something you haven't even read. That's surely big boy talk!

[Galadren]

Wow. Hyperbole aimed at someone you don't know for something you haven't even read. That's surely big boy talk!

I'm sorry, are jokes not allowed here? Is this all serious business?

[OverwatchCNC]

I'm sorry, are jokes not allowed here? Is this all serious business?

This is the Internet, and a thread about plastic toys we play games with. That means this thread is super serious e-peen business. No jokes allowed.

[Mr Mystery]

Funny ones sure. But those where its just hyperbole, and misdirected at that, I for one frown upon them.

[Patrick Boyle]

So the Grav weapons wound against armor apparently...why did the function of them change in 10,000 years? The HH grav weapons force a strength test, that's even how the ones the Contemptor can take work, so why suddenly do the C:SM ones work differently?

[RGilbert26]

GW just posted the Teaser for the Centurions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRflfyievk

I believe this is the correct GW Teaser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQT00ZSVzcg

[Lexington]

If I had won the Powerball last night and woke up to these rumors today I'd have flown to GW, slapped Jervis in the face, then thrown a million dollars at him and told him to get Phil Kelly in here to write me a real book.
Poor Jervis. He gets blamed for everything despite not having any discernible decision-making power within the company. Nice guy, too.

[Mr Mystery]

So the Grav weapons wound against armor apparently...why did the function of them change in 10,000 years? The HH grav weapons force a strength test, that's even how the ones the Contemptor can take work, so why suddenly do the C:SM ones work differently?

Wait for the book, see if rumour is worth anything then.

[Galadren]

I believe this is the correct GW Teaser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQT00ZSVzcg

I'm actually going to name my Centurion Sergeant Rory Williams.

[AkimboGogurts]

Still waiting patiently for those Sternguard/Vanguard/Tacticals. :rolleyes: If we've got these stupid things, someone has to have the rest of the pictures. So cough em up.

[MajorWesJanson]

I'm actually going to name my Centurion Sergeant Rory Williams.

To go with Canoness Pond and Inquisitor Eleven?

[Galadren]

To go with Canoness Pond and Inquisitor Eleven?

Right! And when the other two Centurions die I will then make a speech about how the Last Centurion will not fail!

[deinol]

So the Grav weapons wound against armor apparently...why did the function of them change in 10,000 years? The HH grav weapons force a strength test, that's even how the ones the Contemptor can take work, so why suddenly do the C:SM ones work differently?

You haven't been playing long enough if you don't think GW would change the rules and retcon how things work. New GW rules never contradict FW books?

[Brakkart]

I believe this is the correct GW Teaser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQT00ZSVzcg

Yup armour suit with extra armour and weapons systems strapped on top of it. Didn't GW just have a court case about people stealing their ideas/IP and making money from it?

[Archon]

Those suits are ripe for converting to obliterators :)

I fear they are kind of loyal obliterators. And yes, maybe they are convertable für mutilators, not that i like muties anyway but in this special case, the centus look better;)

Dont´t like the centurion-things. They look clumpsy. And they are far from conventional fluff. Okay the xth version of Rhino/Land Raider/-Speeder/Dread will barley wake a cat but, i should be possible to do a sm release without "there must to be a new unit".

[ecuas]

These are awful models, GW design team are really starting to look second rate compared to FW marine stuff.

[pauljc]

Liking this new Marine stuff. Those Centurions are going to make killer Word Bearer Obliterators!

[Vlad78]

It happens every release:

A handful of poor quality pictures released, met with hows of outrage.
A few more, better pictures released, opinion mellows
Pre-orders go up, 360 pictures go up, opinion turns positive.

Every. Single. Release.

when did stormtalons and ravens turn into decent models? They didn't.
I'm tired of having to rework models I pay for.

[Kirsten]

Vanguard. no mention of the Sternguard on the box. Via Frankie Joe on Dakka

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/vanguard_zpsd30a3381.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/vanguard_zpsd30a3381.jpg.html)

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/vanback_zpsce15d588.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/vanback_zpsce15d588.jpg.html)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Thanks kirsten.

I think they look solid. Not amazing or mindblowing, but not awful/bad either. Pretty much what I'd expect really.

Looks like a few more pictures here : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1200/543907.page
And are those Black Templars on the back of the same box?? I can't really tell personally as I don't know much about them...

[Kirsten]

woohoo, I am first to post something :D

those are actually raven guard on the back there

[Galadren]

Those are Raven Guard. You meed to learn to read shoulder pads.

[Brakkart]

Nah those are Raven Guards on the back of the box. Some nice pics on that page you linked AX.

[Kirsten]

Thanks kirsten.

I think they look solid. Not amazing or mindblowing, but not awful/bad either. Pretty much what I'd expect really.

I don't think they need to be any more than that personally, between the front and back pics you can see there is a good range of pieces, I like them.

[kire]

the Sargent on the front has a weird looking pistol could it be our first look at the new grav weapons

[daboarder]

Honestly. I prefer the current ones. Ill be doing something I didnt think id do and actually be picking up some of the finecast ones so that I have some spares for when I redo my death company

[GravesDisease]

Here's to hoping that vanguards have decent enough rules to warrant you actually fielding them.

[wspeter]

Umm ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKnZCPruGog&list=PL6FA0ED83D5F3138C&index=32

[wspeter]

Umm Ya.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKnZCPruGog&list=PL6FA0ED83D5F3138C&index=32

[Patrick Boyle]

Thanks kirsten.

I think they look solid. Not amazing or mindblowing, but not awful/bad either. Pretty much what I'd expect really.

Looks like a few more pictures here : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1200/543907.page
And are those Black Templars on the back of the same box?? I can't really tell personally as I don't know much about them...

Go figure the guy in the Dakka thread posting picks of the box actually bought it from his local store. Hope GW doesn't figure out where they live or someone's losing their job. Pics of the assembled minis, sprues and all. Looks like 4 each of twin lightning claws and TH/SS, relic blade, power sword, power axe and 5x Chainsword/Bolt pistol.

Oh, and the sergeant on the box looks to be carrying what must be a grav pistol.

[cableguy7uk]

Nice picture, the weapons look better than the vengeance weapons battery.Just hope GW got something up for the poor imperial guard.

[King Damo]

Here's to hoping that vanguards have decent enough rules to warrant you actually fielding them.

It's not that the rules are bad, it's that for a decently kitted out 10 man squad, theyre just too dam expensive, I mean lets face it, over 350 pts for a 10 man squad that will probably die if they don't make it to combat when they enter the field, I'll take my chances sneaking 30 assualt marines around the field.

[Cpt Codpiece]

im loving the beardy guy, and librarian looks ok too...... but i think im gonna stick to FW for my maurines still....... just too random, no uniformity to the kits. i'll probably but aq pack for bits but thats about it.

oh and QR code takes ya to GW homepage :)

[Patrick Boyle]

Here's to hoping that vanguards have decent enough rules to warrant you actually fielding them.

The only real problem with them currently is cost. Even just to give them their jump packs, with no other upgrades, so they can make use of their special rule is crazy expensive for a guy in power armor with 2 base attacks.

[daboarder]

Word is the dev centurians are in the battle report at 250 for three. Apparently taking upgrades into account they are aboit 75 a pop with W2 T5 2+ 5 ++ and move and fire (better be SnP not relentless). And the CC veraion has some teleport move and does bonus damage to buildings


So yeah better blits and mutis!

I love playing chaos......

[Proteus]

Now thats more like it!

The Captain shapes up to be one of the best marine models in recent memory. Roman crests for the win! Can't wait to see the whole image.

The Libby gets massive props just for being bearded. The close up of the face is all we got right now, but allready the model seems to ahve character.

The small snippets of sternguard look fantastic, better than the Vanguard actually, who are very nice on their own, but seem to have a bit more of the generic, modular marine kit vibe, than the Sternguard.

[King Damo]

Someone posted these on dakkadakka a moment ago.

http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0030_zpsabd75896.jpg.html
http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0031_zps23c63052.jpg.html
http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0032_zps374f5570.jpg.html
http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0033_zps914bb203.jpg.html
http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0034_zps80f9b867.jpg.html
http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0035_zps2f00b92c.jpg.html
http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/jonatan_aas/media/IMG_0036_zpsa140d3e1.jpg.html

[AkimboGogurts]

Feed me more Sternguard pics!!! These are looking great. Especially that Captain, I might even consider picking him up just for a side project.

[MrFarson]

Points costs for vanguards and minor rules info posted on the dakka thread

[tcraigen]

also saw this on dakka
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[MajorWesJanson]

also saw this on dakka
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The Captain looks like it is meant to be an update of this guy:
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mixed with a little bit of Black Reach Sicarus.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

So much joy. My Ultras are in for a revamp in a few months, I think!

[daboarder]

Holy **** ..

Flashgits we're right. They just put a space marine, inside a space marine!

[Tynskel]

That's it...
I can't hold my tongue...

YES!

[Brian Brenner]

Lovin all the models, I want my graviton gun!

[Blood Angel]

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/vanguard_zpsd30a3381.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/vanback_zpsce15d588.jpg

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Librarian


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Sternguard


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Vanguard

The Vanguard guy with the mohawk. His face looks funny. Like he's gotta poop really bad.

[Blood Angel]

You could use the Cadian Medic's roll of bandages as Imperial Sanctioned toilet paper.

[Blood Angel]

The Vanguard guy with the mohawk. His face looks funny. Like he's gotta poop really bad.

He kind of reminds me of Mermaid Man from Spongebob.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

I'll buy 8, no, 9 divine sl*ts.
DO WANT.

[phreakachu]

.... liking the centurions, i think. they look like mecha-gorillas, but i like them. now show me the sterngaurd!

[daboarder]

You know...this list has reinforced my determination. I am going to do slaanesh ultramarines as my next army

[eldargal]

Not keen on the Chaplain skull helmet in that picture, hope it's the angle/paintjob. Like the other two characters, especially the Librarian with cherubim. I think the devastator tubbinators look much better. Leg articulation ftw.

[daboarder]

Are those auto cannon style barrels on the stalker? Hope that means its S7 not 8

[Patrick Boyle]

Are those auto cannon style barrels on the stalker? Hope that means its S7 not 8

They look like autocannons to me. And the Centurions definitely look better in these pics, though I imagine the Assault ones probably would in a higher quality picture as well. I like the characters. The captain, pose wise, looks strikingly familiar to the Black Reach captain, which is interesting, I wonder if they based it on the same CAD model. I think I'll be leaving the cherub off the Librarian though...and waiting on prices. As it looks like they definitely are blister pack static characters now, if they really are $30 I'm at least going to be waiting on some spare store credit.

[eldargal]

Love the captain, looks like an update of:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/2/29/UM_Captain.jpg

[OverwatchCNC]

Everything about this release screams Roman Legions except the beards. Romans didn't have beards they viewed them as a sign of cowardice. Oh we'll GW can't do everything right... I for one love the Roman Legion aesthetic, sets it far apart from the Wolves, Monks, and Vampires IMO.

[daboarder]

Yeah loving the strong ascetics

[SadisticMagician]

the Centurions look a lot better in that picture. Still not keen on how static they look but it makes more sense when they're Devastators. The one at the back seems to be suffering from Belial's feet-pointing-forward problem, but that might just be this photo. Love the cherub on the librarian model.

[doogansquest]

Wow these look good. The Centurions look better here too. Pretty fantastic release. I knew it would just take a little time to see things better.

[The Emperor's Champion]

That model's already been updated as Cato Sicarius
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[eldargal]

Now it's updated again as a generic captain.

[eldargal]

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag122/John_Andrew_Weyermuller/AAtank_zps0d77e1c3.jpg
Hur.

[lattd]

The hunter should be nicknamed the compensator. The captain is a pretty lazy touch up it's the same captain as black reach with new head and pistol. And I have both him the old captain with his stingy sword and Cato go figure.

[Gir]

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag122/John_Andrew_Weyermuller/AAtank_zps0d77e1c3.jpg
Hur.

That is ******* amazing.

I also really like the dev centurions.

[energongoodie]

Underwhelmed :(
I'm usually very positive about new releases as I'm an excitable sort of chap :) but I can't seem to generate enthusiasm for the pictures of the models we have seen so far. I think we have been spoiled of late with some excellent new models and sculpts in both 40k and fantasy. Maybe starting back with the Dark eldar thinking about it.
So far, from what we have seen, there seems to be none of the WOW factor or interest that recent releases have had. I'm hoping my feelings change and maybe the Sternguard are gonna be the guys to do it. I like the fact they are painted as Iron Hands in the little pic and they have adopted the white helmet stripe which I favour on my models.

I find it hard to believe that the poster boys of 40k seem to not have been given the full rock star treatment.

[RGilbert26]

Shame that the new Captain model is just a rehash of the AoBR model, both the new Chaplain and Librarian models look great, I prefer the Devastator Centurions and the tank looks just great.

[lattd]

I feel this release has suffered from all the Forgeworld love marines are getting. It really is now too much marines.

[robbietobbie]

This is going to be the first release since necrons that will have me throwing down cash immediately (albeit to a discount webstore). Despite all the hate on most communities I like the centurions, I think they're going to be really interesting to play with and look pretty cool as well. Although the chaplain is a little underwhelming I do like the characters (chaplain's issue might just be the angle though). Eventhough my hope of a plastic thunderfire cannon doesn't seem to be coming true I'm pretty happy we didn't get any MC's like the riptide or wraith knight. Sternguard and vanguard are a real improvement too if you ask me, especially if the kit includes more combiweapons.

[Brakkart]

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag122/John_Andrew_Weyermuller/AAtank_zps0d77e1c3.jpg
Hur.

Yeah I am definately getting that, that looks awesome. Loving the hydraulic JCB-like legs to support it and help keep it in place as it fires. Will make a good base for a Techmarine Rhino too with a crane turret.

[Popsical]

As i thought last night, the centurions look far better without the drills.
The vans look functional. The two tanks need to be seen at better angles to be sure, but look ok so far.
The codex is now the most important thing. Is it a nugget of gold or a parcel of poop?

[Mr Mystery]

I'm going with gold.

1. It's Marines. It's really really hard to **** that up
2. It's a 6th Ed codex, and they've been full of win so far! Especially with the Iyanden/Farsight/Black Legion meaning those craving a more themed force seem likely to get it.

[Deadlift]

Underwhelmed :(
I'm usually very positive about new releases as I'm an excitable sort of chap :) but I can't seem to generate enthusiasm for the pictures of the models we have seen so far. I think we have been spoiled of late with some excellent new models and sculpts in both 40k and fantasy. Maybe starting back with the Dark eldar thinking about it.
So far, from what we have seen, there seems to be none of the WOW factor or interest that recent releases have had. I'm hoping my feelings change and maybe the Sternguard are gonna be the guys to do it. I like the fact they are painted as Iron Hands in the little pic and they have adopted the white helmet stripe which I favour on my models.

I find it hard to believe that the poster boys of 40k seem to not have been given the full rock star treatment.

Just imagine all this stuff painted black, with Iron hands symbols on. Better now ? ;)

[Popsical]

Im inclined to agree with you MM. My worry only comes from the cruddace factor.
Fingers are firmly crossed. Lets hope for a dex as good as guard got, if not better.

[Mr Mystery]

Warming up to the dakka centurions. Suits heavy weapons far more than HTH.

Also, the slightly different angles suggest the models are more dynamic than first impressions....

[Kirsten]

really liking the look of these, going to have to start saving up for a tank, box of centurions, and the book.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Centurions look a bit better in that last pic, definitely suits the guns better. I prefer the striding forward legs and not too keen on the other 2 pairs of legs (hopefully as someone said before, they are poseable). I think they'd look good in iron hands colours.

[Popsical]

Im investing in the dex and a pack of centurions so far. Im sure with some love and a little kit bashing even the cc varient can be good.
Different weapons for the fists? Thoughts?

[Kirsten]

I think they would look better with the drills actually replacing the fists, rather than being underslung personally

[Mr Mystery]

I think they would look better with the drills actually replacing the fists, rather than being underslung personally

Yeah I'd second that. Would look far more brutal to my mind as well. I mean, imagine that sort of drill forcbly interfacing with your phsyogyny!

[Brakkart]

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4528&d=1376038704

Better pic of the Stalker version of the AA tank. I like this one too!