WFB 9th Edition Rumor Roundup

[Cap'nSmurfs]

That's cool, especially if the articles are interesting. As I said before in this a-here thread, I'd love to see some account of the thinking behind the End Times, at the very least.

[Bigred]

via "Mikhael" 6-22-2015

Regarding Age of Sigmar Product Changes


Retailers have been informed that these kits are will be pulled shortly after Age of Sigmar ships:

Empire Free Company
Empire State Troops
Empire Handgunners / Crossbowmen
Empire Great cannon / Mortar
Reiksguard / Knightly Order Box

Khorne Chaoslord on Juggernaut
Galrauch
Marauders of Chaos
Warriors of Chaos
Chosen
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth

There has been regular talk of BIG core product and range shakeups with the new Warhammer. This is only further fuel to the fire.

[Mr Mystery]

All fairly old, barring the Empire State Troops.

Those and the artillery are very much core to Empire armies.

I'd put good munneh on withdrawal due to to relatively imminent replacement.

Empire and Warriors of Chaos books are also two of the older ones.

Thinking further - State Troops are around 10 years old as a kit (including the ranged ones) and they're Defo the 'newest' of the kits - with the possible exclusion of the Chaos Warriors.

[Brakkart]

Well here's hoping when they replace the Chaos Warriors that the new ones actually look chaotic, cos 12 guys in almost identical armour and fur cloaks with only slight variation in the weapons they use looks anything but chaotic. The Avatars of War Apocalypse Warriors are way better and actually look like a group of individual evil warriors fighting together in a unit.

[Erik Setzer]

Empire and Warriors of Chaos books are also two of the older ones.

Well, given that all the books are being yanked, I doubt that much matters. Also, Skaven, Bretonnians, and Beastmen were still rocking softcover books. So yeah, not so much age of books, as these are two "core" armies in the setting, and if the aesthetic is being redone, those would be the obvious starting points.

[Mr Mystery]

Except the above list leaves an awful lot of stuff in each army with the current aesthetic.

#peskyfactsagain

[Wildeybeast]

There's no news or rumors to report.

The rumors out there can evoke a wide variety of reactions. Perhaps you missed them?

No, I got them. I was attempting to highlight that the majority of this thread has become an interminable argument between you and mystery over literally nothing and its becoming rather tedious for some of us who keep checking the news and rumour thread for, you know, news and rumours. Could you not take it somewhere else, or better yet, agree to disagree given you are both so entrenched in your diametrically opposed views?

[grimmas]

Except the above list leaves an awful lot of stuff in each army with the current aesthetic.

#peskyfactsagain

I dunno MM that's all the renaissance style empire stuff from the core choices and it does seem to fit in with the no gunpowder for humans rumour that was mentioned. It's also interesting that marauders are going but horsemen aren't may be there's a clue to the new aesthetic for chaos.

[Mr Mystery]

Marauder Infantry are quite a lot older kit wise than the Marauder Cavalry.

Plus, there remains Black Powder in the form of Engineers, Pistoliers, Outriders, Helblaster and Helstorm.

Could be wrong of course, but my munneh remains on replacement kits.

And Wolfie - you didn't use your Mod voice :p

[daboarder]

did you just confuse wolf and wildey?

[Trojan66]

Here's something new for you guys...
I hear through the grape vine that there will be a series of free to download battle formations to come out during the rest of the year. I think they give you special rules and abilities if you take certain troops, the idea being to encourage themed armies in a new loose world of army selection.

[Kirsten]

that would be sensible.

I really hope the empire stuff gets updated, I had an Empire army from 5th edition, my first ever Games Workshop army. sold it all when the new (at the time) stuff was coming, and hated those state troopers, the bare feet and the awful quasimodo faces, dreadful.

[eldargal]

Most of those kits are approaching ten years old or more, a lot more in the case of Rieksguard. New State Troops would be so welcome.

[Mr Mystery]

that would be sensible.

I really hope the empire stuff gets updated, I had an Empire army from 5th edition, my first ever Games Workshop army. sold it all when the new (at the time) stuff was coming, and hated those state troopers, the bare feet and the awful quasimodo faces, dreadful.

You can't expect all the dirty peasant types to be all handsome.

Disney ruined you :p

[Kirsten]

they don't need to be handsome, they just shouldn't be slack jawed mutants. downtrodden peasants are the bretonnian thing, state troopers get food and boots and luxuries like that.

[Mr Mystery]

they don't need to be handsome, they just shouldn't be slack jawed mutants. downtrodden peasants are the bretonnian thing, state troopers get food and boots and luxuries like that.

But when your boots and food are one and the same, it leads to constipation and bare feet, or hunger and warm feet. Hence the expressions.

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Erik - can you point me to the rumour that says the models reportedly being pulled aren't getting replacements?

[Erik Setzer]

Erik - can you point me to the rumour that says the models reportedly being pulled aren't getting replacements?

If you believe they aren't getting replacements, look it up yourself, rather than having someone else do so for you.

Oh, are you trying to claim I said that? Sorry, chum, your reading comprehension is lacking as always. To quote my earlier post:

"these are two "core" armies in the setting, and if the aesthetic is being redone, those would be the obvious starting points."

Hmm... So redoing the aesthetic of an army means removing old kits and not replacing them with new ones that match the new aesthetic? Is that your assumption? Because, to me, redoing the aesthetic would mean taking kits and replacing them with new kits that fit more with what they believe the armies should look like.

Seems you made an assumption yourself, and are now trying to project it on me.

Yep, it's those pesky facts again!

[Kirsten]

But when your boots and food are one and the same, it leads to constipation and bare feet, or hunger and warm feet. Hence the expressions.

no, they look like extras rejected from the cast of The Holy Grail for being too over the top.

[Mr Mystery]

I preferred them to the previous ones.

[Kirsten]

well you are weird and wrong :p

the majority of each model is fine, torso, pose, extras etc. just really terrible heads.

[Mr Mystery]

That's what she said!

Right, if anyone wants me, I'll be in the corner of shame.

[eldargal]

I'd prefer shoes, but if not shoes at least have them rank up properly and have better defined detail so they aren't a nightmare to assemble,rank up and paint.

[Kirsten]

as soon as they fix the state troopers my Nuln army of gunpowder doom will explode into life

[Erik Setzer]

I'd prefer shoes, but if not shoes at least have them rank up properly and have better defined detail so they aren't a nightmare to assemble,rank up and paint.

The faces are hideous, but the shoes thing did always strike me as a bit odd, because these are professional soldiers, so they should have solid equipment, and useful for fighting.

The rank up issue's existed across a number of kits for a while. Daemons (especially Horrors and Bloodletters) can be really rough, as can Phoenix Guard, but I think the worst are still the old Clanrats with arms held well out to the side and long tails sticking behind them. Put shields on them and it was a mess. Eventually you learn to just arrange a unit's worth of bases in the formation you'll usually use, assemble the model, then glue it to the base to make sure it ranks up properly. The old four-wide bases were also pretty good for that.

[Path Walker]

Ranking up models is the worst part about WFB and why I'd welcome any changes to how units are deployed.

[Mr Mystery]

You is wrong in the face on that one.

Ranked units are the best things.

[Path Walker]

They look great (for some units, still don't see Daemons ranking up) but its just such a pain in modelling terms in this day of multipart dynamic kits!

[Wildeybeast]

No one is allowed to moan about ranking up models until they have tried to rank up Black Orcs.

[Erik Setzer]

Black Orcs don't strike me as being as annoying as Horrors or Bloodletters. And seriously, don't discount the old Clanrats.

But I might have just gotten used to ranking Black Orcs as I have over 100 of them due to eagerly prepping for Grimgor's army in Storm of Chaos. (Lots of metals already, and then the plastics came out and I snagged a bunch of them. To say nothing of the really old Black Orcs...)

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And heck, if AoS would somehow let me run Grimgor leading a force of just angry Black Orcs, I think I'd be happy just for that.

[Path Walker]

Black Orcs are pretty awful, they just take up so much of the room available to their base.

Spindly Horrors or Bloodletters are not every close as they just don't take up much room.

[dementian]

I'll just put these here:

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This looks more to be about the rumoured Warhammer Celebrations book than about anything AoS related.

[Insert_nickname_here]

Black orcs are the reason I wasn't too bothered by the round bases rumour.

[Mr Mystery]

No one is allowed to moan about ranking up models until they have tried to rank up Black Orcs.

Original multipart Chaos Warriors, circa 96/97.

I look upon thy Black Orcs with a wistful desire things had been that easy,

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm... They're being a little too over-dramatic trying to build up Age of Sigmar. It's an insult to Warhammer's legacy to claim that 30 years of a game are just a "preface" to some new game. But it's also odd for them to say that the battles of the End Times, which were meant to be the most massive battles in the history of the Warhammer world, were just "skirmishes" compared to what's coming in the Age of Sigmar.

Gameplay-wise, that makes no sense. You'd either need even more massive armies than you already need (so that wrecks the idea of trying to tone down the model count), or would have to be a completely different style of game played at a different scale, and so wouldn't be anything like Warhammer as a game.

Background-wise, it might work, but that's still rather odd, given that every race would have to be rebuilt, to more numbers than they had before, because pretty much everyone who could ended up fighting in End Times.

[Kirsten]

Original multipart Chaos Warriors, circa 96/97.

I look upon thy Black Orcs with a wistful desire things had been that easy,

so very true. chaos warriors have never fitted even a little bit.

[Houghten]

Really, Fantasy could have done with 32mm bases years ago and 40k still managed to get them first...


It's an insult to Warhammer's legacy to claim that 30 years of a game are just a "preface" to some new game.

You're a preface!

[Erik Setzer]

You're a preface!

My friend and I love throwing that out randomly. Usually I choose less appropriate things, like you did there. :P

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Thanks as ever, Captain Citadel, who must - must! - be ranked now among the likes of Hastings and Harry as a cast-iron rumourmonger. And he posts evidence! So, you know, cheers!

Love that the frontpage is running this as "Age of Sigmar details and pics!" when it contains neither of those, though. Click click!

[Cutter]

I'll just put these here:

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Would you mind putting them over there instead...?

[Bigred]

via Steve the Warboss 6-24-2015


Age of Sigmar Contents

1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

1x Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed
5x Chaos Knights
10x Chaos Warriors

-No small rulebook
-Full rules for all models
-Small intro of the fluff (Humans only)
-5 Scenarios to introduce players
-Text is written very childfriendly

[Kirsten]

hmm, not sure if that interests me or not to be honest. I don't especially need more chaos models, though if they are new and cool...

hmmmmmm

lack of rulebook would definitely make me hesitate.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

That's way less exciting than that other set of rumours! Which I guess were probably bull**** then, oh well~!

[blueraven84]

via Steve the Warboss 6-24-2015

I don't have much faith for these rumours... Steve the Warboss - Total rumors: (31 TRUE) / (75 FALSE) / (6 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) (via dakka rumour tracker)

Was it not rumored earlier that starter box contains very small rulebook at least ?

[Houghten]

Wouldn't the griffin take up half the box?

[blueraven84]

Wouldn't the griffin take up half the box?

Unless its current Karl Franz model, I don't see it happening

[Wildeybeast]

Depends how big it is. The Island Blood one is pretty small compared to the Empire one, on account of us having Griffon breeding programmes.

I will definitely be investing if that is really what is in the box. Can't wait to see some Knights of Sigmar!

[Mr Mystery]

Could be genuine. Feels about right for an intro box.

[Wildeybeast]

Or summat someone pulled out of their arse and made to sound genuine. Until I see pictures, I believe nothing these days.

[Mr Mystery]

There is that.

Rumour Monger is of....varying reliability. But this close to the release, I'd say it's less salty than many. Especially that pish about 'Regalia'.

[Al Shut]

Wouldn't the griffin take up half the box?

Old school cardboard griffon obviously.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I have to admit I am really excited to see the new models, allthough on the backround side I'll wait and see if it appeals. Hoping for more of a blanche look to things personally.

[Mr Mystery]

I could go with that - if there is going to be a change in the look.

Me, I'm not so convinced. The stuff apparently being pulled from the shelves are older kits or Finecast.

There's plenty left on sale with the current army aesthetic.

[grimmas]

I have to admit I am really excited to see the new models, allthough on the backround side I'll wait and see if it appeals. Hoping for more of a blanche look to things personally.

Aren't we all? That's how both Warhammers should look

[Erik Setzer]

I could go with that - if there is going to be a change in the look.

Me, I'm not so convinced. The stuff apparently being pulled from the shelves are older kits or Finecast.

There's plenty left on sale with the current army aesthetic.

Well, that could just be production limitations. They don't have a huge staff, and there's a lot to work through in not only redesigning, but also creating new molds to replace the models. If there's nothing to replace them with (and can't be for a while), why not keep selling current models?

[Bigred]

via Atia (https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia)(twitter) 6-25-2015


Age of Sigmar Teasers

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[Chronowraith]

they don't need to be handsome, they just shouldn't be slack jawed mutants. downtrodden peasants are the bretonnian thing, state troopers get food and boots and luxuries like that.

This. A million times this. I've wanted to start Empire a dozen times in the past 6-7 years and EVERY SINGLE TIME I look at the state troops and just think, "well, crap".

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Same with me and Catachans.

[Kirsten]

glad it isn't just me

[Houghten]

Same with me and Catachans.

Hell, Catachans are what inspired me to pick up Imperial Armour Volume I and do an army with no infantry models in it at all.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Aren't we all? That's how both Warhammers should look

I completely agree, but a lot of people also seem to hate blanche's art and style/look, which is fair enough to be fair as taste is subjective. Personally I find blanche's designs are very weird and have a unique feel and look to them iv never seen anywhere else allthough it's obviously inspired by certain things. I don't think WHF and 40k are original in the least, but I think blanche's look DOES make them standout and make them appealing in a way a lot of stuff out there isn't to me.

[DevonMeep]

via Steve the Warboss 6-24-2015

I might consider getting it but hope its wrong and it has a rulebook. With the exception of the Khorne champion seems general chaos enough to start up for another god. Unless they're all new made to look like Khornate models.

[Lexington]

Wait's over, ladies and gents:

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Everyone always talked about Sigmar being one of the Lost Primarchs. Turns out, he was Sanguinius all along...

[energongoodie]

They look so 40k.... I'm in!

[Trojan66]

Errrrr, I was not expecting that. Well it's certainly different.

[Mr Mystery]

Weird looking stuff for sure.

[Filthy Casual]

Looks cool as ****.

[Mr Mystery]

From the wording, looks like it battles in the sodding realm of Chaos.

Think I might need to load the second barrel of the cashcannon....

[eldargal]

So much for lots of women lol. Looks ok though.

[Mr Mystery]

And I spy new terrain.

[Filthy Casual]

That logo is awesome, its got that perfect retro vibe to it while still being modern.

[Mr Mystery]

Custodes Conversions just became dead easy too.

[Houghten]

Previously, I was not hyped.

NOW I AM HYPED.

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I guess that settles the "how would they fit an Empire Griffon in the box?" question. That beastie has no wings and no bird head. I'm not even sure how to classify that head. Basically, it has about as much in common with a gryphon as I do.

[Trojan66]

Are we taking this as real ?
How can this be comparable to any of the existing range ?
So I've got this great empire army...but what it really needs is a unit of space marines and space marines with wings to take me to the next level ???.
I really hope that this is fake, it's not warhammer....

[Lexington]

That thing's a Griffon in the same way as those Sigmarines are State Troops - which is to say it is not. :p

[Houghten]

Either that's what I said, or I need to go for my afternoon glide. :P

[Lexington]

Either that's what I said, or I need to go for my afternoon glide. :P
Just playing around with you - mainly because I wanted to coin the term 'Sigmarines.' :p

[Mr Mystery]

Very intrigued to see how this all interacts with the existing ranges....

Could it be a separate game? A prelude we can actually play in to the New Old World?

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And I wish we could see what's on the other page.

Not that GW are in anyway responsible for the 'leaks' that we see. Oh no.

[Lexington]

Hey, here's the Chaos side of the equation:

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Poor WHFB. You used to at least be able to say it had nice models. :(

[Erik Setzer]

I'm still in that weird position in the middle... I think those are neat looking models, but, well, they don't feel like Warhammer to me. Nor do round bases. I look at that and I think Warmachine. Bulky over-stylized models on round bases in a fantasy setting? Covered already. And it doesn't fit in at all with the current aesthetic for Empire. Which means it's very likely other armies will be redone a lot as well.

I want to know more about the actual game itself. The figures look cool, but let me know what the game is like. If the game sounds fun, I'll go for it. (I can deal with background that sounds like someone was drunk and high at the same time, if the game is fun. I liked GorkaMorka, after all.)

[Filthy Casual]

Looks like the gameplay rumours from an alleged staffer taught by a manager are likely, giving the groupings and stuff. Should be pretty interesting then!

[Lexington]

It's just promotional copy, but, man, that background sounds like the most atrocious Tolkien wannabe word-babble.

[Filthy Casual]

I don't think we're seeing the Empire here, more the Space Marines to the Empires Astra Militarum, those chaos though. **** me, lovely stuff!

Good riddance to those previous boxes, those Warriors and Marauders are brilliant

[Erik Setzer]

Hey, here's the Chaos side of the equation:

In the grim darkness of the Mortal Realms, there are only pants.

[Mr Mystery]

I don't think we're seeing the Empire here, more the Space Marines to the Empires Astra Militarum, those chaos though. **** me, lovely stuff!

Good riddance to those previous boxes, those Warriors and Marauders are brilliant

Interesting point on the forces of the God-King....

Roll on next Saturday!

[Tobias Ryttlinger]

A guy in my local gaming group posted this on our fb wall. It looks like it might be the contents of the starter box.

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[Cap'nSmurfs]

Gosh, those are all ****ing lovely.

Miffed that they're all dudes, but what can y'do.

[Mr Mystery]

I spy a plastic Bloodhound with the Chaoslord.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I really like the aesthetic of the Sigmarites, I'm not gonna lie. And interdimensional wars of vengeance are my bag, baby. Just show me some vampires and I'm yours, Warhammer.

[Erik Setzer]

I spy a plastic Bloodhound with the Chaoslord.

Yeah, I'm wondering what the deal is there. While it looks nice cinematically, that lends more to the idea of a game based around the heroes, with his base being larger and including his pet in order to boost his "presence" on the battlefield.* I wonder if that means we'll see more character models with impressive bases and all in order to help them stand out and make them easier to spot on the table? If you're making characters the focus, that makes sense.




*I hope that made sense, people started talking around me at the right level to trigger my headaches, which makes it hard to concentrate.

[Filthy Casual]

If the playtest example is to be believed, and increasingly thinking it is, they Generals are focal, having one killed will effect your army, having one killed by the enemy general in a challenge? Even more so, not to the Warmachine lengths of killing the general means you win but they're massively powerful but also need to be looked after.

[Mr Mystery]

Who knows.

Really intrigued by these shots.

Is this an additional game or not? If not, how will existing (extensive) collections factor in? Are the good guys set to receive proper goody-two-shoes Gods of their own?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I suspect we'll be learning all this over the next weeks. For now, this is pretty exciting.

[Erik Setzer]

Another amusing thing that's crept up and not been mentioned here:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-first-leaks-age-of-sigmar-free-rules.html

Hmm. Free basic rules (at four pages, that'd be EXTREMELY basic) and army forces downloads? Okay, that could be interesting. Sounds like a Ravening Hordes style PDF (or two) is indeed a possibility. Only makes sense, as it'd keep people with existing armies playing, and let them continue to sell stuff until they get a replacement for it.

[Al Shut]

I don't know, neither of this makes me want to start either force, maybe later stuff will be more my thing.

[Mr Mystery]

Another amusing thing that's crept up and not been mentioned here:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-first-leaks-age-of-sigmar-free-rules.html

Hmm. Free basic rules (at four pages, that'd be EXTREMELY basic) and army forces downloads? Okay, that could be interesting. Sounds like a Ravening Hordes style PDF (or two) is indeed a possibility. Only makes sense, as it'd keep people with existing armies playing, and let them continue to sell stuff until they get a replacement for it.

Basic Warhammer and 40k rules can be presented on a single double sided A4, so four pages could contain quite a lot of info.

[Al Shut]

At least it would guarantee that I'll give it a try or two

[Trojan66]

This cannot be the next gen warhammer surely, it must be a stand alone game ??..
With all else gaining on in the world today it's hard to be as pixxed off as I want to be !
If this is warhammer 9 then GW have just alienated all warhammer players over 25.
This is clearly designed by kids for kids with rules that kids can follow and not get A brain melt
I mean . Stop and look at those figures. For the love of all things warhammer they suck...and I'm not even going there with the blurb...on shafts of lightning my arse belches forth crap....

[Wildeybeast]

I'm still in that weird position in the middle... I think those are neat looking models, but, well, they don't feel like Warhammer to me. Nor do round bases. I look at that and I think Warmachine. Bulky over-stylized models on round bases in a fantasy setting? Covered already. And it doesn't fit in at all with the current aesthetic for Empire. Which means it's very likely other armies will be redone a lot as well.

I want to know more about the actual game itself. The figures look cool, but let me know what the game is like. If the game sounds fun, I'll go for it. (I can deal with background that sounds like someone was drunk and high at the same time, if the game is fun. I liked GorkaMorka, after all.)

I agree. Whatever the hell that is, it certainly ain't Warhammer. I do not see any possible way that can interact with my existing Empire range. I think I hate it, but I'm going to see what the game is like before I decide Warhammer is dead and just keep playing 8th ed.

[Harbinger Rising]

Age of Cygnar indeed.

Sorry GW, but you can take your 'Flash-azar Gelt and the Masters of Castle Grayskull' and shove it back up your a$$.

This is garbage, definitely not Warhammer Fantasy. Hopefully a 'proper' 9th Edition in August is true.

[Paintingplasticcrack]

GW have been pretty clever. Both of those pics show new WFB models, but I can see very easily how you could use them in many 40k armies as counts as. Those empire knights could easily pass as a space marine variant and the chaos models would fit into a 40k army just as well. Sure peeps have been using WFB models in 40k for years for conversions etc. But these will fit right in as is imo.

[Tomgar]

Nice models, still not buying into it. GW engendered too much bad blood when they just nuked the whole Fantasy setting that I've been into since I was a wee yin.

[Erik Setzer]

Basic Warhammer and 40k rules can be presented on a single double sided A4, so four pages could contain quite a lot of info.

You'd have to go extremely basic. The summary section of the 40K rulebook is more than four pages. For four pages, you're not going to have a bunch of special rules and stuff like that.

Not saying it'd be bad, just that it'd be a lot more basic than what we're used to.

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At least it would guarantee that I'll give it a try or two

Yeah, that's why it would be a smart move to do. The rules would probably not be "full" rules (which would be in a later rulebook), but could allow for a taste of the system, and having rules for all existing armies (or at least most existing models in whatever new armies they'd form) would make sure people who were already playing WFB could get a chance to see what AoS is like and, in GW's hopes, decide they want to buy into it.

I could be cynical, but in this case, it makes too much sense. I know their track record with sense isn't good, but hey, there's already sort of some possible evidence. So fingers crossed!

[Chronowraith]

I think the Chaos models are brilliant. They look drastically better than some of the existing range *cough*marauders*cough*.

The other stuff though... looks like it came straight out of 40k. They look like honor guard space marines and well, if Fantasy needed anything, it sure as hell wasn't space marines.

Still intrigued by the skirmish rules and what is to come with the main game (since AoS is supposed to be just skirmish).

[40kGamer]

Still not sold on it. Chaos looks good but the Empire looks awful... might make a nice 40k faction though.

[Kirsten]

absolutely crazy. no idea what to make of it

all together:

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not keen on those forces of order models (they are not empire, no matter what people call them :p) loving the chaos look.

considering all the rumours we have had this year. two stand alone games from GW, we had assassins, Age of Sigmar could be the second. we had rumours of Warhammer 9th in a few months time, which could still be on the cards. rumours for Age of Sigmar said no rulebook, which again suggests to me this is/can be stand alone, and isn't the future of warhammer, just an alternative.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I think it's the future of Warhammer. They're calling it a starter set, not a standalone game.

And, no, they're not the Empire. I was so "meh" when that last rumour said "10 state troops". These ain't State Troops. These are the guys people were talking about months ago, the Fantasy space-marine-alikes. Sigmar's holy warriors in his multidimensional battle against the Dark Gods. I dunno, I think that's pretty fun!

[quindia]

In the grim darkness of the Mortal Realms, there are only pants.

LOL... I nearly drowned on my soda... Thanks for that as I was having a b**** of a day...

[Erik Setzer]

I think it's the future of Warhammer. They're calling it a starter set, not a standalone game.

And, no, they're not the Empire. I was so "meh" when that last rumour said "10 state troops". These ain't State Troops. These are the guys people were talking about months ago, the Fantasy space-marine-alikes. Sigmar's holy warriors in his multidimensional battle against the Dark Gods. I dunno, I think that's pretty fun!


Could be fun, but I think it's pretty clear this isn't the Warhammer we've known for 30 years any more.

Kind of wonder what other armies will end up looking like. If we're going to throw everything out the window and start over, can we have war golems for the Dwarfs, for example?

[YourSwordisMine]

Well, 40k started out as Fantasy in Space.

Its now come full circle and is 40k Fantasy.

I like the look of both factions shown here actually. The Fantasy Marines are growing on me, and I really like the Chaos models.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Cor, those are some very nice looking Blood Angels!

in seriousness, both forces look pretty nice to me. Not sure if it's something I'd get into personally but it's peaked my interest and I look forward to seeing more.

[Erik Setzer]

Not sure if it's something I'd get into personally but it's peaked my interest and I look forward to seeing more.

Even though there's no asymmetrical aliens?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

well, neither does 40k (I like mechanicum and the termin..eh...necrons) I did happen to really like those sanguinary guard models from some years back....

[Jared van Kell]

I have just seen that hero riding an armoured cat and thought.

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JvK :cool:

[General Lee]

so what does all this mean for the current WHFB kits?

[General Lee]

so what does this all mean for the current WHFB kits? will they get discontinued?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Man, I f*cking love these models. I hated the vast majority of Fantasy's range, and now the Sigmarites have finally given me an army that I love the aesthetic for.

As a long standing Exalted player, this reminds me so much of the Solars. I can finally buy Warhammer models.
http://pre01.deviantart.net/8220/th/pre/f/2011/299/a/1/exalted_comission_2_by_remainaery-d4e0d3h.jpg

[Spikey McTorture]

Do you think they will ever find a cure for my wallet? Games Workshop is about to infect it with poverty.

[DevonMeep]

I'm looking forward to the new models and game as well. I've loved Warhammer for over a decade now and I'm glad I'll finally be able to play without bankrupting myself. It is utterly disheartening for someone new to spend hundreds of dollars and realize they only have a fraction of the models they'd need to be able to play at standard points levels.

[eldargal]

Weren't the rumours that this was a separate military order od some sort, not the mainstream Empire?

People need to chill, the most you can say at this point is you don't like the aesthetic of two new forces, the sky is not falling.

[Trojan66]

It's not just about the aesthetics..allthough yes I do have a real problem with them...
Whatever comes next, this clearly shows that GW are pronouncing fantasy as a genre dead. 40k makes a shed load, let's inject that into the whole range. Even if this is some new army of angels it's clearly aimed at kids and is a herald to a whole dumbed down warhammer. now I may well be in the minority but I thought most of the end times figures were below standard. Not the skaven stuff and not the blight kings...but the rest struck of a lack of imagination and a poor sculpt, and this is clearly coming from the same talentless monkey.

But you are right . It's a beautiful sunny day and I am off to enjoy it.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

These majestic warriors are the Chosen of Sigmar, just like the 4 Chaos Gods the God-King Sigmar Heldenhammer has his own Chosen.
Riding on the lightning strikes fired at the mortal realm, these warriors seek to open the legendary Gate of Azyr so that they can liberate the people of the mortal realms from the vile clutches of Chaos.

Think of it this way, Sigmar is Odin, and these guys are all warriors of Asgard.

I had a chat with a GW Manager about these boys yesterday, and that was as much as he could tell me.

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Also, that big cat-thing? "We all have seen it before".

I have no idea what that was supposed to mean, and I couldn't get anymore info out of him. It kinda looks like either a Carnosaur or an alive Mortarch mount though.

[Kirsten]

It's not just about the aesthetics..allthough yes I do have a real problem with them...
Whatever comes next, this clearly shows that GW are pronouncing fantasy as a genre dead. 40k makes a shed load, let's inject that into the whole range. Even if this is some new army of angels it's clearly aimed at kids and is a herald to a whole dumbed down warhammer. now I may well be in the minority but I thought most of the end times figures were below standard. Not the skaven stuff and not the blight kings...but the rest struck of a lack of imagination and a poor sculpt, and this is clearly coming from the same talentless monkey.

But you are right . It's a beautiful sunny day and I am off to enjoy it.

what a load of nonsense.

[Mr Mystery]

Funny, I thought a certain poster had inside info and knew exactly what was coming....

[eldargal]

what a load of nonsense.

Yup. Pure bollocks.

Funny, I thought a certain poster had inside info and knew exactly what was coming....

Lol.

[Mr Mystery]

On balance....

I'm somewhere between intrigued and optimistic.

The models themselves look alright - I think the forces of the God-King are more leftfield than most expected.

What I'm most interested in? Forces of the God-King are outnumbered by Chaos......

Just, just think about that for a bit....

[Wildeybeast]

I'm somewhere between intrigued and worried. My fear is this is clearly not Warhammer as we k ow it and if this is meant to be 9th, it's pretty clear all my existing Empire range is fit only for the bin/never ending 8th ed. if this is just some sort of skirmishy thing and 9th ed is still to come then it's all fine.

[eldargal]

Could also be new armies meant to tie in but not be part of Chaos and the Empire

[Kirsten]

yeah I don't believe for a moment that the empire army we know and love is going anywhere. these are new units, and in my opinion will be added to the army. we did hear there would be a forces of order army, I think these are new units that pack a punch to go toe to toe with the monstrous infantry of other armies.

[Paintingplasticcrack]

Are those Empire models or Custodes :). I like them. The rule set and it's simplicity excite me actually. They sound kid friendly which is nothing but good imo.

[40kGamer]

I was so busy being ill from the sigmarite aesthetic that I didn't even notice everything for the game is on round bases.

[eldargal]

Heh yep, it will benefit from a less over the top paint scheme I suspect. But yes all on round bases.

[Alex Knight]

These majestic warriors are the Chosen of Sigmar, just like the 4 Chaos Gods the God-King Sigmar Heldenhammer has his own Chosen.
Riding on the lightning strikes fired at the mortal realm, these warriors seek to open the legendary Gate of Azyr so that they can liberate the people of the mortal realms from the vile clutches of Chaos.

Think of it this way, Sigmar is Odin, and these guys are all warriors of Asgard.

I had a chat with a GW Manager about these boys yesterday, and that was as much as he could tell me.

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Also, that big cat-thing? "We all have seen it before".

I have no idea what that was supposed to mean, and I couldn't get anymore info out of him. It kinda looks like either a Carnosaur or an alive Mortarch mount though.

I personally don't care much for the thunder warrior motif, myself, but YMMV. To me, it looks more like a larger demigryph than a carnosaur or Mortarch. Which would be a nice tie-in with the existing Empire range.

I'm looking forward with baited breath, myself. I'm expecting the worst while hoping for the best. Because that's a comfortable place for me to stand in this.

[40kGamer]

Heh yep, it will benefit from a less over the top paint scheme I suspect. But yes all on round bases.

Very interesting... GW does such an excellent job at controlling information that I can't find anyone who knows if this replaces WFB 9th or if it is another side game. From a new player recruitment stand point I think this looks really promising. Should appeal to the younger crowd and hopefully breath new life into things.

It always takes me a good while to wrap my mind around major aesthetic shifts so I won't be able to say if I really like the Sigmarites for a few months... heck it took me forever to get used to the new Dreadnought design when it came out in the early 90s. :p

[Chronowraith]

Weren't the rumours that this was a separate military order od some sort, not the mainstream Empire?

People need to chill, the most you can say at this point is you don't like the aesthetic of two new forces, the sky is not falling.

Yes. These aren't Empire but it still doesn't explain why GWs answer to everything is, "ADD MORE SPACE MARINES"

[40kGamer]

Yes. These aren't Empire but it still doesn't explain why GWs answer to everything is, "ADD MORE SPACE MARINES"

Well, a recurring rumor is that Space Marines make up about 50% of the entire company's sales so....

[Houghten]

I personally don't care much for the thunder warrior motif, myself, but YMMV. To me, it looks more like a larger demigryph than a carnosaur or Mortarch. Which would be a nice tie-in with the existing Empire range.

Except for the bit where demigryphs have beaks, not fangs.

[Alex Knight]

Except for the bit where demigryphs have beaks, not fangs.

Oh. Hrm. Those are fangs. Right. Hrm. Then I have no clue. Living Mortarch mount sounds reasonable.

[Chronowraith]

Well, a recurring rumor is that Space Marines make up about 50% of the entire company's sales so....

Than why even bother with the pretense of offering players a choice? If its all about money just get rid of all the lines that don't sell as well as Space Marines.

They had to burn a long-standing setting to the ground to fit Space Marines into the setting. I'm okay with the setting ending. Plenty of other settings are gone too and I can revel in them through past books and materials. Killing a setting so you can shove Space Marines into a Fantasy setting is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. Why not just kill Fantasy and come out with yet another Horus Heresy game or some other power armor on power armor game?

[Harbinger Rising]

GW should really call Xibit to help market this turkey:

'Yo dawg, we heard you like Space Muhreenz, so we put Space Muhreenz in your Fantasy game so you can Space Muhreen while you Space Muhreen.'

[Kirsten]

but they aren't space marines, so that entire argument falls flat.

heavily armoured infantry are not exactly a new idea in fantasy.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

What's a knight? What is a knight. What are those. Plate armour? Never heard of it.

[Crownblade]

Better view of some of the new stuff, including the sigmarine knight.

http://rillietann.tumblr.com/post/122604517418

[Spider-pope]

Thanks for the better pictures. Interesting that the flying guys wings don't appear to be feathers, but rays of light.

[Kirsten]

I am curious about the rumour about the starter contents, because it is very different to the age of sigmar set. was it a guess? misunderstanding? a different set?

[Tomgar]

I am curious about the rumour about the starter contents, because it is very different to the age of sigmar set. was it a guess? misunderstanding? a different set?

Steve The Warboss, 'nuff said.

[Wildeybeast]

yeah I don't believe for a moment that the empire army we know and love is going anywhere. these are new units, and in my opinion will be added to the army. we did hear there would be a forces of order army, I think these are new units that pack a punch to go toe to toe with the monstrous infantry of other armies.

Not a cat in hell's chance those things are getting added to my Empire army. :p

[Erik Setzer]

Also, that big cat-thing? "We all have seen it before".

I have no idea what that was supposed to mean, and I couldn't get anymore info out of him. It kinda looks like either a Carnosaur or an alive Mortarch mount though.

Yeah, reminds me of the Mortarch mounts, only "living."

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The more I like at the Golden Boys, the more I realize what bugs me even more than realizing they're trying to out-Warmachine Warmachine (and even the local GW-only players are saying that, including some you wouldn't expect it from)... They have that weird thing where they're in solid gold armor, with sculpted torsos, and sculpted helmets with halos. I'm not a fan of it with Blood Angels outside of the occasional hero marking him as very special, and Blood Angels are an army I really like. So seeing a whole army made up of those guys? Meh.

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The more I like at the Golden Boys, the more I realize what bugs me even more than realizing they're trying to out-Warmachine Warmachine (and even the local GW-only players are saying that, including some you wouldn't expect it from)... They have that weird thing where they're in solid gold armor, with sculpted torsos, and sculpted helmets with halos. I'm not a fan of it with Blood Angels outside of the occasional hero marking him as very special, and Blood Angels are an army I really like. So seeing a whole army made up of those guys? Meh.

[Kirsten]

Not a cat in hell's chance those things are getting added to my Empire army. :p

yeah not really sure about them myself...

I really can't decide if I want this or not. as a khorne chaos player those new models are pretty sweet, and no doubt they will be good value. but as an empire player previously, planning to be again, the angelic hordes don't do much for me.

[Spider-pope]

yeah not really sure about them myself...

I really can't decide if I want this or not. as a khorne chaos player those new models are pretty sweet, and no doubt they will be good value. but as an empire player previously, planning to be again, the angelic hordes don't do much for me.

From the text that's under the leaked photos, the Sigmarines sound more like the good equivalent of daemons, rather than just armoured humans.

[flipchuck]

What about that isn't a reboot?
Because in a reboot, you just basically update the game. You keep the same names, same groups, same theme, same world...you just make some changes. Some adjustments. In a reboot, you don't make a complete new game and change everything and try to pass it off as the same game as before. And judging from the new Age of Sigmar pictures it looks like they turned Warhammer Fantasy into Warmachine/ Hordes and saying it's just aa reboot when in fact, it's a different game altogether. So far, the difference between 8th and 9th is like the difference between Warhammer Fantasy and Warmachine.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Lots of attention on the Simarites so far, which is fair enough - and I quite like them, although not enough to make me think THIS IS MY NEW ARMY - but those Khornates are the ****in' bomb.

[Mr Mystery]

Very interesting... GW does such an excellent job at controlling information that I can't find anyone who knows if this replaces WFB 9th or if it is another side game. From a new player recruitment stand point I think this looks really promising. Should appeal to the younger crowd and hopefully breath new life into things.

It always takes me a good while to wrap my mind around major aesthetic shifts so I won't be able to say if I really like the Sigmarites for a few months... heck it took me forever to get used to the new Dreadnought design when it came out in the early 90s. :p

Managers are off to Nottinghams today....

I may have to bribe mine with bacon.

[flipchuck]

The pictures of Age of Sigmar has caused an uproar on Facebook. Holy crabs. Never seen so much nerd rage in all my gaming life. More nerd rage then in here and that says a lot. Lol.

Like I said on Facebook, I truly hope that these new Sigmar Knight guys are not replacing The Empire. That they are just a new fraction. And that the rest of the new Warhammer fantasy models don't look like Space Marines or "Warhammer 10k". I agree that they look a lot like Warmachine models and a bit of Steampunk effects. I hope to God the guy on the large thunder cat isn't Karl Franz. Maybe he's Sigmar himself. I could dig that...

[Spider-pope]

The pictures of Age of Sigmar has caused an uproar on Facebook. Holy crabs. Never seen so much nerd rage in all my gaming life. More nerd rage then in here and that says a lot. Lol.

Like I said on Facebook, I truly hope that these new Sigmar Knight guys are not replacing The Empire. That they are just a new fraction. And that the rest of the new Warhammer fantasy models don't look like Space Marines or "Warhammer 10k". I agree that they look a lot like Warmachine models and a bit of Steampunk effects. I hope to God the guy on the large thunder cat isn't Karl Franz. Maybe he's Sigmar himself. I could dig that...

The nerd rage i've seen seems to be among those people that haven't accepted that Fantasy is dead and this is something else. There are still a lot of people in denial, saying that there is no way GW is ditching the armies as we know them, and this first release is shattering that denial.


Because in a reboot, you just basically update the game. You keep the same names, same groups, same theme, same world...you just make some changes. Some adjustments. In a reboot, you don't make a complete new game and change everything and try to pass it off as the same game as before. And judging from the new Age of Sigmar pictures it looks like they turned Warhammer Fantasy into Warmachine/ Hordes and saying it's just aa reboot when in fact, it's a different game altogether. So far, the difference between 8th and 9th is like the difference between Warhammer Fantasy and Warmachine.

There are different levels of reboot. Some are soft reboots, like Jurassic World, where the previous stuff happened but isn't really acknowledged and the new product returns to the original concept. And then there are hard reboots, and AoS looks to be one of those. It's still a fantasy miniatures game. But aside from that core remaining the same, it's very different.
The latest batch of rumours certainly seem to be stressing the Warmachine aspects of AoS. Now we just have to wait and see if that's true or just someone looking for 5 seconds of internet fame like Steve.

[grimmas]

It's entirely possible that the "Sigmarites" aren't replacing the Empire but are an indeed a whole new faction. GW may have gone "full Space marines" with these guys and there's some sort of fluff similarities as well as aesthetic ones.

Also whoever is sitting on the cat thingy, it's a nice looking model.

[Kirsten]

It's entirely possible that the "Sigmarites" aren't replacing the Empire but are an indeed a whole new faction.

this.

as for the death of Fantasy, we still don't know what the new game will actually be, a lot of rumours have said you will still be able to use current armies etc. so 'death' seems a bit premature

[Houghten]

Managers are off to Nottinghams today....

I may have to bribe mine with bacon.

Today? That's weird; mine's not gone until Tuesday. I assumed it was a nationwide thing, but I guess the revamp of Warhammer World didn't include "expanded conference room"?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yeah, my local GW Manager is off to Notts today too. Luckily I don't have to bribe him with Bacon, I just don't blab what he tells me. :p

[Mr Mystery]

I bribe with Bacon because it's good manners.

Bad TDA, DIRTY TDA! IN YOUR BED, ON YOUR RUG!

[Erik Setzer]

The pictures of Age of Sigmar has caused an uproar on Facebook. Holy crabs. Never seen so much nerd rage in all my gaming life. More nerd rage then in here and that says a lot. Lol.

They just took a game with 30 years of history being on a certain world and playing a certain style, blew up the world, changed the game style, and are completely over time redoing the design of the armies and models. Yeah, I'd say it's understandable. (Though it's funny that I bet a lot of the people complaining haven't had as much time and money invested as some of us have.)

But if you haven't seen that much or more, then you don't follow Star Wars, where Disney's decision to take the former novels and comics and games and such and make them non-canon upset a lot of people (and led to the funny situation where they have a game ongoing with new story being added that isn't canon).

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this.

as for the death of Fantasy, we still don't know what the new game will actually be, a lot of rumours have said you will still be able to use current armies etc. so 'death' seems a bit premature

A lot of rumors have said a lot of things that we've already seen aren't true. So... yeah, not taking rumors as indication of anything any more. Of all the rumors coming out, I never got a vibe from them that GW was going to try to out-do Warmachine in having oversized models on round bases with an over-the-top aesthetic.

But hey, to quote one GW manager, "Finally I might get the Warmachine crowd back!"

[Cutter]

But hey, to quote one GW manager, "Finally I might get the Warmachine crowd back!"

At the cost of the WFB crowd.

Except it's not a crowd is it?

It's a couple of blokes and a dog.

...

I'll get me coat...

[spagunk]

The sigmarites look definitely bigger than any normal trooper i've see in fantasy. To be honest, they look like much cooler sanguinary guard :p.

Hell, if they are terminator size, I am thinking that they'd make excellent Adeptus Custodes!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I bribe with Bacon because it's good manners.

Bad TDA, DIRTY TDA! IN YOUR BED, ON YOUR RUG!

Bribing isn't good manners, it's illegal in a lot of countries.

[Mr Mystery]

Pfffrt.

Is it Saturday yet? I want to do me pre-order. And for it not to be Monday anymore.

At least, not Monday when I'm at work.

[Filthy Casual]

Yeah, all UK managers meeting today, expect decent information as they diseminate in the following few days, but, this is the regularly scheduled quartley meeting and AoS will not be th eonly thing on the agenda, rather boting day to day management things.

[Brakkart]

Courtesy of Golem Painting Studio on Facebook.

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[Erik Setzer]

Saw that on The Mexican Ork this morning. I have to say, my enthusiasm just plummeted, badly. I'm certainly not going to rush to preorder something where the rules are four pages. Heck, I don't think I've seen a board game where the rules are only four pages. Maybe Munchkin, but that's a larger fold-out, and come to think of it, that's actually six pages. The $10-$25 mini-games I can pick up at the local game stores have rules that small, but that's it. They're intended to be cheap games you play in a few minutes, not an expensive game that will still have expensive models, meant as a replacement for a full strategy game.

Sure, existing stuff will have rules, but only because otherwise there'd be no armies for the game. The key is that they're pretty much saying in time they're going to redo it all.

This also seems to confirm Age of Sigmar isn't a stand-alone product but rather, as the WD pics have shown, a starter box for the new game... where child-friendly (to a fault) rules are the actual rules.

Not sure that just making rules for existing models will "reinvigorate interest in Warhammer," since that game that people bought those models for is completely gone and in its place is a game with a rulebook the size of a cheap card game and models designed to compete with Warmachine in looks.

Seriously... Do they do any research on the people they're trying to sell to? You don't need a freaking four page rulebook to be "inclusive!" A lot of kids got into the games during 2nd edition 40K, and that wasn't the simplest set of rules. LOTR/Hobbit was simple enough for anyone to play (just suffered from lack of marketing), without being over-simplified.

Meh. Let's see what it is. But right now it seems like they're going to try to out-abstract Mantic with the rules and out-upsize Warmachine with the models, and if I wanted to play Kings of War and/or Warmachine, I'd go play those, not Warhammer.

[Cutter]

Courtesy of Golem Painting Studio on Facebook.

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They still have a stiffy for storms I see.

I guess it's a kind of continuity.

[Mr Mystery]

Few rules doesn't mean bad rules....

[Erik Setzer]

Few rules doesn't mean bad rules....

Not necessarily, which is why I'll give it a chance, but I'm still pessimistic because I've never seen a miniatures game with that level of rules. It feels like it's going to be an over-simplified beer and pretzels game. And that'd be okay, if it wasn't likely to be a $125 box, with $30-$40 characters and $50-$60 units, just to play 30-minute games.

And it's definitely not Warhammer any more, certainly not the Warhammer that existed for 30 years.

I guess it's hard to explain my view in a way that makes sense... I leave the door open for the chance I might enjoy it, but I do have a lot of pessimism right now. Even more so if it turns out to be something that's fun but doesn't justify the price point. Does that make sense? (I'm trying not to be too verbose here.)

[Mr Mystery]

All about the wider picture, which we don't have yet.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

minimal rules would be a good thing for me as I have an extremely poor memory (this is no understatement) and have never been able to memorise all the stats and special rules these sort of games have which is why I've gotten into the gaming side - so for me it actually seems encouraging.

[odinsgrandson]

Four Pages of rules is interesting- and it represents a significant departure from the current business model they're using for 40k (with all those hard-bound $50 rule books).

Economizing space for a four-page book isn't necessary if you're going to make the rules available as a free PDF- but it is a big deal if you're including them in every box of minis. That makes me wonder if we'll be seeing something closer to Confrontation's business model, rather than Warmachine's.


There's a secret to doing four pages of rules:

1- Keep your core mechanics for movement and combat simple. GW has always done this, they just need to be a little less long winded about the way they phrase it.

2- Make cards that go with the units that have their stats on them, and that fully explain all of their special rules. That way you don't have to make the game too simple to have a super short rule book.

3- Avoid loads of tables- they tend to take up a whole page for not a lot of rules content.

4- Streamline anything that can fall under the same general rules into the same category, and simply make special rules on the cards differentiate them. So if we can have the same section dedicated to ranged and magic, we will.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm not sure even Execution Force had that small a set of rules. You can eliminate tables and all, but you're still having to go extremely barebones, which is something of a system shock considering none of GW's rules sets to date could be stuffed into four pages (likely even including every board game). And it would have to be very abstract. One of the things that made me iffy on Kings of War was how abstract it sounded.

It might be more complex, with the rules being with the units, but then the "four-page rulebook" thing is a misleading marketing point (and not really a great marketing point).

I don't know... 20 pages of rules, cool. That's a simple game, with room for variation, all that, smaller even than a WD magazine, probably something where a good-sized game would take less than 2 hours.

Four pages, though? Just feels too much like a cheap quickie game, and we know it's not going to be cheap.

[eldargal]

Confirms that the new armies are new armies not new looks for old armies too.

[grimmas]

I think Odinsgrandson has with how 4 pages of rules could work quite happily, detailed unit cards/entiries could contain a lot of unit specific rules. We could be looking at very simplistic basic mechanics that are elaborated on through the units themselves.

It's all very interesting.

[Path Walker]

4 pages of rules is plenty, many systems can fit their rules into such a space, people love simple games with depth, look at X Wing, the rules for that could easily fit into 4 full size pages if you removed a lot of the bumph, again, it puts the exceptions onto the unit cards.

We're seeing a new type of game here, look at the boxes we've had lately, Stormfiends are obviously designed for this system, same with Blightkings and Wrathmongers (all of those units are round based in WHW by the way)

[40kGamer]

I am actually quite excited for super streamlined rules. My biggest complaint with 40k atm is the sprawling over complicated rules. And I think GW needs to go after new blood with this release. It makes no sense to keep doing the same thing over and over if it no longer works. It really doesn't matter if 8th is the last edition of WFB proper. You only have to look at the Specialist Games. They haven't been supported by GW for years but have extensive online living rulebooks, new factions and tons of community support. :)

[Paintingplasticcrack]

I am actually quite excited for super streamlined rules. My biggest complaint with 40k atm is the sprawling over complicated rules. And I think GW needs to go after new blood with this release. It makes no sense to keep doing the same thing over and over if it no longer works. It really doesn't matter if 8th is the last edition of WFB proper. You only have to look at the Specialist Games. They haven't been supported by GW for years but have extensive online living rulebooks, new factions and tons of community support. :)

this would be my main complaint with 40k, having not played since the introduction of 7th 40k is looking far too complicated from a non players perspective. If this new WFB is as streamlined as suggested that sounds great. Especially for attracting a younger audience. Maybe GWs new gateway game.

[40kGamer]

this would be my main complaint with 40k, having not played since the introduction of 7th 40k is looking far too complicated from a non players perspective. If this new WFB is as streamlined as suggested that sounds great. Especially for attracting a younger audience. Maybe GWs new gateway game.

Yes sir. Hard time to be a casual player as you just can't keep up with the rules/releases.

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From the Frontpage

“Don’t worry. Warhammer Fantasy miniatures stay relevant. Old miniatures can still be used, however how you will play them has changed.””On the 4th of July all the new rules will be available digitally on the GW website for FREE – It will explain to you how the new game works””The new rules for each miniature will also be in the newly rebranded boxes.
Square bases and movement trays are gone.””The new and rebranded products will now come with oval and round bases. However don’t worry, as you can play the game with any base shape”

RIP Square Bases. I never thought they would actually do this but it really looks like the old ranked/units on square bases are gone. Holy crap.

[Path Walker]

One of the main things stopping me playing WFB more often is transporting regiments, or putting them in individually and having to rank them up when I get there, it takes up a lot more time than with 40K, I'm super stoked not to have to bother with that any more.

[Bigred]

Via Captain Citadel

Age Of Sigmar Latest Prices & More


Age of Sigmar will be rather large gents. No armies will be phasing out, no army books for that matter. It will be a bit like chess, easy to learn but difficult to master. It can be played to any scale almost, small or large.

Rules will be free and releases this Saturday the 4th.

The story revolves around Sigmar's disappearance from the Fantasy world as he set up kingdoms of warriors to battle Chaos in this new age.

The starter will cost $125 and contain the two factions that has been rumored previously. The models will all be on round bases to be more dynamic (similar to 40k's stance).


And today's sales sheet that seems to support what were hearing currently.
New Age of Sigmar Sale Sheet. Checkout these highlights folks;

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Via Games Workshop and Lady Atia 6/29/2015


“Don’t worry. Warhammer Fantasy miniatures stay relevant. Old miniatures can still be used, however how you will play them has changed.””On the 4th of July all the new rules will be available digitally on the GW website for FREE – It will explain to you how the new game works”“The new rules for each miniature will also be in the newly rebranded boxes.
Square bases and movement trays are gone.”“The new and rebranded products will now come with oval and round bases. However don’t worry, as you can play the game with any base shape”

We have been informed the Age of Sigmar rules will include rules for EVERY EXISTING WFB miniature. So there will be zero miniatures that become obsolete.

[Erik Setzer]

Well, if that's all true, then kudos to them for doing the right thing to keep existing players interested, rather than wanting them to buy a $125 boxed set just to try to get the rules. The boxed set will still be there for folks who want the new models, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of those folks. They can also sell the remaining stock they have while developing new armies.

[grimmas]

Free rules!!! Released before the paid for rules!!!! By GW!!!!!

That's the silliest rumour I've heard yet 😉

I need to lie down

[40kGamer]

Free rules!!! Released before the paid for rules!!!! By GW!!!!!

That's the silliest rumour I've heard yet 😉

I need to lie down

Me too! That one hits like a ton of bricks. :D

[Alaric]

Knew they weren't gonna make the old minis obsolete. People sure like extremes nowadays.

[Erik Setzer]

Knew they weren't gonna make the old minis obsolete. People sure like extremes nowadays.

Well, it's possible that as the game progresses and they actually have more than two armies to present to people, the current stuff will end up being phased out and made obsolete. For now, they wouldn't have a game if they'd tried to do that.

[Alaric]

Well, it's possible that as the game progresses and they actually have more than two armies to present to people, the current stuff will end up being phased out and made obsolete. For now, they wouldn't have a game if they'd tried to do that.

Exactly. Im more just laughing at the doomsayers. Totally agree on the phase out, gotta stay fresh.

[Erik Setzer]

So, yeah... All rules online free this Saturday. That could be interesting.

Kind of wonder if I can round up a few of my game-playing friends, grab some board games, some fireworks, some beer, and play games, download and look over the rules, and drink while setting off miniature explosives. That could make for an amusing 4th of July.



Oh. Bollocks. I just realized how bad that could be. They better have invested a good few thousand into their servers since those earlier debacles, because if this gets the response they want (heck, just people wanting to see if it's worth looking into), they could have a wave of visits hitting their website. Better have it beefed up and have backup systems on standby.

And speaking of sites... ageofsigmar.com is registered, but someone's using "Whoisguard" to keep the info anonymous. Looks like a pretty recent registration, too, as of the end of May.

[Wildeybeast]

Well, if that's all true, then kudos to them for doing the right thing to keep existing players interested, rather than wanting them to buy a $125 boxed set just to try to get the rules. The boxed set will still be there for folks who want the new models, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of those folks. They can also sell the remaining stock they have while developing new armies.

Not sure they've kept me interested. The ranked up u its was one of the core things that differentiated Warhammer from other miniatures games and it looks like that is dead and gone. Along with a piece of my heart. I'm getting more depressed the more I hear about this.

[Erik Setzer]

Not sure they've kept me interested. The ranked up u its was one of the core things that differentiated Warhammer from other miniatures games and it looks like that is dead and gone. Along with a piece of my heart. I'm getting more depressed the more I hear about this.

But here's the thing... You're likely to go download that and give it a try, right? Certainly more likely than buying even a $45 rulebook (much less the modern price of $85)?

This isn't Warhammer, but I'll give it a chance as its own game. I'm not hyped or enthusiastic right now, but hey, it won't cost me anything to try it.

[40kGamer]

Not sure they've kept me interested. The ranked up u its was one of the core things that differentiated Warhammer from other miniatures games and it looks like that is dead and gone. Along with a piece of my heart. I'm getting more depressed the more I hear about this.

They lost me at full on round bases. My fascination with WFB was always the historical game feel in a fantasy setting. We'll see what comes down the road but for now I'm setting this one out.

[Bigred]

GW is actually trying to compete in the current 2015 wargaming marketplace. This is a watershed moment for them.

They are competing on the merits for the first time in a very long time.

The pricepoint is competitive.
The rules are free.
The minis are top of industry quality.
They are not invalidating any existing minis.
They are being fairly transparent to retailers.

This all points to a GW realization that THIS is the make or break moment for WFB, so they are trying to do it right.

Color this gamer impressed.

[Alex Knight]

So, I heard that there isn't going to be point values in Age of Sigmar.

[Erik Setzer]

GW is actually trying to compete in the current 2015 wargaming marketplace.

My problem is that they seem to be trying to compete in the current market a bit too much. Free rules, okay, that's cool. Ditto for putting rules in with the models.

Trying to out-simplify Mantic? Switching to a bulkier aesthetic on rounded bases like Warmachine? Not as cool.

Change the rules some, even a lot, okay. Add in skirmish to high level. But leave the bases square because then they can still rank up a lot easier. Now the only company with a true ranking game in a fantasy genre is Mantic with Kings of War. Warmachine and Malifaux are both round based small skirmish. Warhammer stood out as its own thing. Not so much now.

Guess we'll see how it works.

[Mr Mystery]

Anyone know what the price will be in proper munneh?

[Erik Setzer]

Anyone know what the price will be in proper munneh?

Well, people are saying $120-$125, both have been quoted.

Or are you doing that nationalist thing where you think your country has the only real money in the world?

National digs aside, I'd suggest it'll be about the same range as Dark Vengeance, whatever that is.

[Mr Mystery]

$15 more than DV.....so probs either £70 or £75.

Of course it's proper munneh. It's got Her Maj on it.

[Erik Setzer]

Oh, I thought DV was up to $125 by now. Okay, I guess a better comparison would be Space Hulk, Execution Force, or even the Stormclaw or Deathstorm sets.

Hmm... Kind of odd they'd price it above DV. DV has a comparable load of figures and stuff, and if you're aiming for a good entry price, that seems better. (But at least it's not a board game. I'd think the copies of Execution Force in their warehouse and stores everywhere would teach them not to do that again.)

[Mr Mystery]

£75 - same as Execution Force it would seem.

[Bigred]

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