Admech, Genecult, AND Deathwatch!

[Mr Mystery]

This is ACCEPTABLE!

[Mr Mystery]

5 Shot Pistols = Lol. Even at S2, that's a Lol.

Spesh if there's rad weapons around to low toughness....

[Path Walker]

5 Shot Pistols = Lol. Even at S2, that's a Lol.

Spesh if there's rad weapons around to low toughness....

I will laugh at all the "bike" stars as I pepper them to death with pew pews

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno dude. Can't wound T6+, so Nurgle Bikers will be alright (I think they still get up to T6?)

Otherwise, not a bad point. Not something I'd rely on like, but worth keeping in mind when facing them!

[Path Walker]

Dunno dude. Can't wound T6+, so Nurgle Bikers will be alright (I think they still get up to T6?)

Otherwise, not a bad point. Not something I'd rely on like, but worth keeping in mind when facing them!

Thats what the Rad weapons are for!

[Mr Mystery]

So far, I don't recall seeing any that lower T at range. It's only the Vanguard that irradiate people, and even then only in combat.

I do expect we'll see something along those lines though - perhaps that big walking tank we saw the other week, which still hasn't shown up on the releases.

[Sevenout]

They do appear to have shred, as well, so the rerolls would help some. and there is something cathartic about rolling a bucket o dice.

[Mr Mystery]

That's true.

Though the Stub Carbine is tempting. Assault 3, 18" range means it is likely to be fired more often, and the S4 is little to be sniffed at.

Actually, not an easy choice. Flechette Blaster, being a Pistol, may grants an extra attack (Taser Goads not being specialist weapons) which is a boon in itself really.

I can see these guys being a pain for Tyranid players. Fairly tough except against S6, lots of shots to knacker Gaunts, and those Taser Goads will do horrible things to Warrior sized bugs, as you're +2 S, and every six to wound inflicts two more wounds to be saved. I'm tempted to say Monstrous Creatures and Terminator equivalents have the least to fear, simply because they tend to have solid enough saves - but even then, the sheer number of wounds these guys have the potential to cause is staggering, and having wiped out a Terminator squad with Tomb Blades concetrating fire whilst they were bunched up, I'm very familiar how quantity can indeed make up for quality, at least in terms of AP-.....

[Sevenout]

I am surprised that there is as yet NO template weapons in the army. I was really hoping for a Rad or Phosphor "flamer"

[Bigred]

via Gametrust.de (http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-onager-dunecrawler-woche-1-anleitungen,id42268.html) 4-1-2015


Onager Dunewalker sighted:

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[Kirsten]

looks funky

[Defenestratus]

via Gametrust.de (http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-onager-dunecrawler-woche-1-anleitungen,id42268.html) 4-1-2015

that picture makes it look worse than the blurrypic 2 weeks ago!

[Deadlift]

looks like a defiler...before chaos

[Mr Mystery]

It's growing on me. Still want to see a clear pic like.

[Regnir]

that picture makes it look worse than the blurrypic 2 weeks ago!

I dunno, the view of that huge optics suite on the left side of the gun on the one of them, and the differing angle of the picture actually has me more excited to see that model.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

It looks a bit more blanchey and weirder than the other stuff seen, it's growing on me.

[Popsical]

The walker thingy looks like the child of an Imperial AT ST scout walker and a defiler.
The worst of both sadly.

[Renegade]

That one on the right (or left side of the picture) looks like it could be an AA version going by the feet and the additional kit on the side of the (I think) auto-cannon.

[William Arthur]

suddenly, i have no interest in these guys, even though i've been waiting two decades

the reasonable 22 quid, suddenly morphs into $AUD 66 for skitarii infantry............................... F**K YOU AGAIN GW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bigred]

via 40Kings.de (http://www.40kings.de/2015/04/ad-mech-codex-ist-da-alle-details-qna-in-den-kommentaren/) 4-2-2015

Codex Skitarii Rules Latest:


Codex Umfang & Allies:

Der Codex Ad Mech ist vom Umfang her ähnlich dem Harlequin Buch. Es gibt beispielsweise kein einziges HQ Modell im Buch, nichtmal einen Slot dafür. Es gibt im Prinzip “nur” die bisher bekannten Einheiten. Ad Mech ist eine Armee des Imperiums und somit als BB mit allen anderen imperialen Armeen kombinierbar.

Force Org:

Der klassische Force-Org der Skitarii ist im Prinzip eine Formation, die allen Einheiten “scout” und “crusader” verleiht, satt! Außerdem bekommt der Warlord (und damit einer der Infantrie-Einheiten) “preferred enemy”. Liest sich so wie: “unsere normalen Einheiten sind nicht stark genug – lasst uns mal ein paar gute USR verteilen…”.

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Wardlord Traits:

Die WLT sind mal wieder weniger spannend.

shrouded
eternal warrior
eine Waffe master-crafted (aber kein Relikt)
12″ reroll pinning, moral, fear
overwatch mit BF4
reroll failed fnp + x

Relikte:

myteriöses Zeug rerollen
zealot USR
Ini1: jede Einheit im Nahkampf mit Träger macht Widerstands-Test, verpatzt = W6 Wunden ohne Rüstung
Phase Taser mit Initest bei Wunde oder tot
Pistole mit Gimmicks
Skull of Elder…Effekt xx

Waffen (Auswahl):

Icarus Array (nur für Dunecrawler, aber SATT!): Deadalus missile launcher: heavy 1, 7/2 48″ skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 6/4 48″ skyfire, ignores cover + twin icarus autocannon: heavy 2, 7/4 48″ skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.
Eradication Beamer (nur für Dunecrawler, Standarf-Bewaffnung): 0″- 9″: 10/1, 9″ – 18″: 8/3 blast, 18″ – 36″: 6/5 large blast
Neutron Laser: 48″ 10/1 blast, concussive

Doktrinen:

Es gibt insgesamt 6 Doktrinen. Zu Beginn der Bewegungsphase kann jeweils eine genutzt werden (one use). Die Doktrinen geben

+1 BF
+1 KG
+2 BF / -1 KG
+2 KG / -1 BF
+3 BF / -2 KG
+3 KG / -2 BF

Schmankerl: Dunecrawler
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Dazu gibt’s ein paar spannende Ausrüstungsoptionen, u.a. das Icarus Array für stolze 45 Punkte als Ersatz für den normalen Eradication Beamer oder den Neutron Laser. Die Läufer verfügen außerdem über Schilde (6++), die sich mit weiteren Läufer der Schwadron in 4 Zoll um jeweils einen Punkt verbessern (max. 4++).


German speakers... get on it!

Google translate results (not the greatest):


Codex scope & Allies :

The Codex Ad Mech is very similar in scope to the Harlequin book. For example, there is no single model HQ in the book, not even a slot for it. There are basically "only" the known units. Ad Mech is an army of the Empire and can therefore be combined as BB with all other imperial armies.

Force Org :

The classic Force Org of Skitarii is basically a formation that all units " scout " and " crusader " confers full! In addition, the Warlord gets (and thus one of the infantry units) "preferred enemy" . Reads as : " our normal units are not strong enough - let us to some good USR distribute ... " .

Warlord Traits:

The WLT are again less exciting.

shrouded
eternal warrior
a weapon master-crafted (but not a relic)
12 "reroll pinning, morals, fear
watch over with BF4
reroll failed fnp + x

Relics:

rerollen myteriöses stuff
zealot USR
InI1: every unit in close combat with carrier makes resistance test, marred = D6 wounds without armor
Phase with Taser Initest in wound or dead
Gun with gimmicks
Skull of Elder effect ... xx

Weapons (selection):

Icarus array (only for Dunecrawler, but NEED!): Daedalus missile launcher: heavy 1 7/2 48 "skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 48 6/4" skyfire, ignores cover + icarus twin autocannon: heavy 2, 48 7/4 "skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.
Eradication projector (for Dunecrawler, Stan May-Armament): 0 "- 9": 10/1, 9 "- 18": 8/3 blast, 18 "- 36": 6/5 large blast
Neutron Laser: 48 "10/1 blast, concussive

Doctrines:

There are a total of 6 doctrines. At the start of the movement phase can one be used (one use). Add the doctrines

+1 BF
+1 KG
+2 BF / -1 KG
+2 KG / -1 BF
+3 BF / -2 KG
+3 KG / -2 BF

Onager: Dunecrawler

Plus there's a couple of interesting equipment options, including The Icarus array for proud 45 points as a substitute for the normal Eradication projector or the neutron laser . The runners also have shields (6 ++) that deal with other runners in the squadron 4 inches to climb up a point ( max. 4 ++).

[Kirsten]

liking the dunecrawler, it is exactly what I need

[Charon]

Codex Umfang & Allies:

Der Codex Ad Mech ist vom Umfang her ähnlich dem Harlequin Buch. Es gibt beispielsweise kein einziges HQ Modell im Buch, nichtmal einen Slot dafür. Es gibt im Prinzip “nur” die bisher bekannten Einheiten. Ad Mech ist eine Armee des Imperiums und somit als BB mit allen anderen imperialen Armeen kombinierbar.


Codex content & Allies

The Codex content is about as much as Codex: Harlequin was. There is no HQ model in the entire book, not even a HQ slot. It is "only" the units we already know. Ad MEch is an Imperial Army and thus BB with all imperial armies.



Force Org:

Der klassische Force-Org der Skitarii ist im Prinzip eine Formation, die allen Einheiten “scout” und “crusader” verleiht, satt! Außerdem bekommt der Warlord (und damit einer der Infantrie-Einheiten) “preferred enemy”. Liest sich so wie: “unsere normalen Einheiten sind nicht stark genug – lasst uns mal ein paar gute USR verteilen…”.

Force Org:

The classic Skitarii FOC is a detachment which gives Scout and Crusader to all units. Warlord gets prefered enemy. Reads like "our units are to weak, lets stuff them with useful USR"


Wardlord Traits:

Die WLT sind mal wieder weniger spannend.

shrouded
eternal warrior
eine Waffe master-crafted (aber kein Relikt)
12″ reroll pinning, moral, fear
overwatch mit BF4
reroll failed fnp + x


WL Traits

nothing special:

shrouded
eternal warrior
makes a weapon master-crafted (but no relic)
12″ reroll pinning, moral, fear
overwatch with BS4
reroll failed fnp + x


Relikte:

myteriöses Zeug rerollen
zealot USR
Ini1: jede Einheit im Nahkampf mit Träger macht Widerstands-Test, verpatzt = W6 Wunden ohne Rüstung
Phase Taser mit Initest bei Wunde oder tot
Pistole mit Gimmicks
Skull of Elder…Effekt xx


Relics:

reroll mysterious objectives
zealot USR
at I1 every unit in base contact makes a T test or suffers D6 wounds without armor saves.
Phase Taser, unsaved wound causes I test or ID
Pistol with minor effects
Skull of Elder…Effect xx



Waffen (Auswahl):

Icarus Array (nur für Dunecrawler, aber SATT!): Deadalus missile launcher: heavy 1, 7/2 48″ skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 6/4 48″ skyfire, ignores cover + twin icarus autocannon: heavy 2, 7/4 48″ skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.
Eradication Beamer (nur für Dunecrawler, Standarf-Bewaffnung): 0″- 9″: 10/1, 9″ – 18″: 8/3 blast, 18″ – 36″: 6/5 large blast
Neutron Laser: 48″ 10/1 blast, concussive

Weapons (some)

Icarus Array (Dunecrawler only): Deadalus missile launcher: heavy 1, 7/2 48″ skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 6/4 48″ skyfire, ignores cover + twin icarus autocannon: heavy 2, 7/4 48″ skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.
Eradication Beamer (Dunecrawler only, Basic weapon): 0″- 9″: 10/1, 9″ – 18″: 8/3 blast, 18″ – 36″: 6/5 large blast
Neutron Laser: 48″ 10/1 blast, concussive


Doktrinen:

Es gibt insgesamt 6 Doktrinen. Zu Beginn der Bewegungsphase kann jeweils eine genutzt werden (one use). Die Doktrinen geben

+1 BF
+1 KG
+2 BF / -1 KG
+2 KG / -1 BF
+3 BF / -2 KG
+3 KG / -2 BF


Doctrines:

There are 6 Doctrines. At the beginning of each movement phase you may use one of them (one use)

+1 BS
+1 WS
+2 BS / -1 WS
+2 WS / -1 BS
+3 BS / -2 WS
+3 WS / -2 BS


Schmankerl: Dunecrawler
Dazu gibt’s ein paar spannende Ausrüstungsoptionen, u.a. das Icarus Array für stolze 45 Punkte als Ersatz für den normalen Eradication Beamer oder den Neutron Laser. Die Läufer verfügen außerdem über Schilde (6++), die sich mit weiteren Läufer der Schwadron in 4 Zoll um jeweils einen Punkt verbessern (max. 4++).

Bonus: Dunecrawler
Comes with interesting Equipment options, for example the Icarus Array for 45 points instead of the Eradication Beamer oder Neutron Laser. The walkers have shilds (6++) which do add up for every walker shield in 4" (max. 4++)





Wow... another army with enough ignore cover to **** all over DE

[Erik Setzer]

I like the way the army looks. I mean, not just the aesthetic, which is kind of cool, but the way it has so many options and tricks and things that work in tandem. It's a lot to remember, but if you get it all to work together, it can be nasty, and sacrificing WS for BS (or vice versa) is an interesting way to change your army up to match the situation that's developing. Should be interesting to see these guys on the table.

[Defenestratus]

Wow... another army with enough ignore cover to **** all over DE

Or any flier really...

[Charon]

Do not care as much about fliers but AV10 Antigrav (which you can shoot with skyfire too) which will eat multiple heavy 5 S6 shots with BS 7 at cosy 48"

[Defenestratus]

Do not care as much about fliers but AV10 Antigrav (which you can shoot with skyfire too) which will eat multiple heavy 5 S6 shots with BS 7 at cosy 48"

Guess I'll be welcoming that nice 5++ holofield save...
sheesh.

[Mr Mystery]

The more I see, the more I want!

Loving these guys!

[Thaldin]

Hrmph... Maybe I do want the new Eldar Codex after all.

[DrBored]

Those Onager are really growing on me. The only thing I don't like about them is the McDonald's paint scheme, but that's so easy to fix.

What's really impressive is the incredibly low tax to ally these guys. One box of Skitarii doods can make two MSU squads of Vanguard, for 100 points, that then allows you to take those anti-air Onagers if you need them in your army, and considering the Onager are only 90 points base, that's really freakin' awesome.

Still eager to see the rest of the Admech stuff.

What's tough to say at this point is... what really comes next?

I imagine it's going to flow from this right into Eldar, and then after Eldar we MIGHT see the rest of the Admech stuff along with that campaign... but that could be way off...

[Mr Mystery]

If indeed there is more Ad Mech....we only have rumours so far!

And speaking of rumours - the dude with the Onager Dunewalker rumour....I'm sorry, I was wrong.

Still a silly name though!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Love the Dunecrawler. That's fun!

[Mr Mystery]

Oh Omnissiash, why do you do this to me?

Might have to put off expanding my initial order, as my Car needs some serious work doing - welding, replacement link pins (no, me neither) and possibly a new exhaust - though suspicious about that diagnosis, given the MOT was done by an exhaust specialist....

[Charon]

Guess I'll be welcoming that nice 5++ holofield save...
sheesh.


I also love the fact that while they did put up extremely stupid requirements and restrictions into the harlequin FOC (3 troops, 2 fast attack, 1 heavy while the whole FOC consists of 3 troops, 2 fast attack, 1 heavy and 6 elite), the next imperial faction FOC has to take 2 mandatory troops... that is less than a CAD and even chaper than allies as the HQ tax is gone.
And what does the next imperial faction gain from this hard to achieve prequisits?
Scout armywide, crusader armywide and Prefered enemy for the WL in addition to a WL trait while getting 4 Elite, 2 Fast attack, 4 heavy support, another 6 troops and a fortification optional.

[Popsical]

With the ability to buff BS plus 3 and plenty of skyfire, is it worth taking a flier at all versus Admech?
Shooting fliers on a 2+ followed by a 5+ should you miss is just lethal.

[Houghten]

The fliers haven't lost any of their massive firepower, and the only part of the Icarus Array that has Interceptor is equivalent to half a quad-gun. You still have a decent chance to fly in and lance / melt / las / tentaclid the dunewalkers off the table. Wouldn't give you tuppence for a Bommer's chances, but then it never had any against anyone else, either.

[Bigred]

via one of Gary's birds (http://feeds.feedburner.com/faeit212) 4-3-2015

Onager Dunestalker rules:


Wargear
Eradication Beamer
Broad Spectrum Data-Tether
Emanatus Force Field
Searchlight

Special Rules
Doctrina Imperatives
Crawler-ignores diff terrain and auto passes dangerous
Field Harmonics-increases invul saves +1 for each model in the same squadron within 4"

Options
may include two more at 90pts each
can replace its main weapon with a twin linked heavy phosphor blaster 15pts, nuetron laser and cognis heavy stubber 25pts, icarus array 35pts
Can take any items from the Skitarii Vehicle equipment list.

[ShadowcatX]

I also love the fact that while they did put up extremely stupid requirements and restrictions into the harlequin FOC (3 troops, 2 fast attack, 1 heavy while the whole FOC consists of 3 troops, 2 fast attack, 1 heavy and 6 elite), the next imperial faction FOC has to take 2 mandatory troops... that is less than a CAD and even chaper than allies as the HQ tax is gone.
And what does the next imperial faction gain from this hard to achieve prequisits?
Scout armywide, crusader armywide and Prefered enemy for the WL in addition to a WL trait while getting 4 Elite, 2 Fast attack, 4 heavy support, another 6 troops and a fortification optional.

I noticed that to. No denying who GW's darlings are.

[DrBored]

Important to note that the Dunecrawler does not have the Dunestrider rule, making it the slowest unit in this Codex.

However, it does get to ignore Difficult and Dangerous Terrain, so that's still pretty good.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Pre-orders now up!

[Houghten]

Edit: Never mind, I'm wrong.

[DrBored]

Pre-orders now up!

Those Sicarians are ripe with awesome detail. I need to get a box just to build and paint. The Infoslave Skull, the Dataspike, the little datascreen with it's own bionic fingers, the Chordclaw, and all the cool Transonic weapons..

Definitely will build the Ruststalkers. I like the look and function of them a little better than the Infiltrators.

[Defenestratus]

Seriously GW?

Transonic ... tuning forks?

*GROANNNN*

[Kirsten]

loving the robot ninjas

[DrBored]

Seriously GW?

Transonic ... tuning forks?

*GROANNNN*

The forks are actually the tasers. the Transonic weapons are the swords.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Will wait for the full codex and hope for more trailing cables weirdness myself

[Andrew Thomas]

via 40Kings.de (http://www.40kings.de/2015/04/ad-mech-codex-ist-da-alle-details-qna-in-den-kommentaren/) 4-2-2015

Codex Skitarii Rules Latest:



German speakers... get on it!

Google translate results (not the greatest):

I believe it's "reroll Mysterious Objectives," which has some advantages.

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmmmmmm.

Looks like we're Defo on for a second Adeptus Mechanicus Book....

The title matches Harelquins in that it's 'Codex Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii'......

- - - Updated - - -

Also, I just ordered that limited edition Skitarius Novel from Black Library.

Well, you have to treat yourself, don't you.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Hmmmmmmm.

Looks like we're Defo on for a second Adeptus Mechanicus Book....

The title matches Harelquins in that it's 'Codex Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii'......

Yep and rumours did say it would be a "full" army release. I think that they may of felt a full army all in one go would be too large a release, so they do a release like this, then have a break and release something totally different then come back to it again afterwards with the second half. At least that's what I'd speculate they are doing.

Hoping for more like this personally :
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/blanche.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Ditto.

Give me Tech Horror all day long!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Ditto.

Give me Tech Horror all day long!

The Skitarii is cool and I think it even makes sense they look the way they do, but I want that sort of stuff. If the Astra Militarum can have diversity and a variety of different looks I do not see why the Mechancium couldn't either. The Skitarii forming the more industrial/military arm and the Cult mechanicus forming the more tech-horror priest brotherhood. I think a mix of the two will look amazing personally. Oh and then theres the Legio cybernetic too which could be more based on tank-tracks and such.

[DrBored]

The main thing that I thought was missing out of the book were rules on repairing vehicles, but that's not what the Skitarii do.

I'm sure that when the full Admech Codex drops, we'll see plenty of Techpriests, some more neat vehicles, different kinds of Servitors, and plenty of other things.

[Mr Mystery]

Well, can't get my models until Thursday at the earliest, due to various travel arrangements and that.

And if I miss Thursday, won't be in my hands until the following Thursday.

But, in Nottingham next weekend, so shall buy the Codex near to where it was written :p

[Renegade]

Am I the only one that automatically thought that these
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Look very much related to these
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First thing that popped into my head when I saw them was the advert.:D

[Mr Mystery]

Quite possibly a very deliberate design consideration.

[Charon]

Am I the only one that automatically thought that these
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Look very much related to these
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First thing that popped into my head when I saw them was the advert.:D

Reminded me more of these:

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[energongoodie]

am i the only one that automatically thought that these
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look very much related to these
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first thing that popped into my head when i saw them was the advert.:d

+1 :d

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Thought:

There's no "supplement" Codexes anymore. There's just Codexes. Some are big, some are small, some have new models, some have combinations of old models, but they're all Codexes. Full, stand-alone books (which can of course be used in an Allies system). I think we saw the first of these with Tempestus Scions, then of course Knights. Harlequins, Skitarii and Daemonkin seem to me to be evidence that there's not going to be time and money put into "variant list" books like Iyanden and Black Legion so much as books which combine existing or new miniatures into an army in its own right. The Iyanden supplement isn't available and it might not come back; I think if Craftworlds does something like provide bespoke Detachments for the major Craftworlds (a Saim-Hann one which is mostly Fast Attack; a Biel-Tan full of Elites, etc.) then we'll really be able to confirm that trend.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Shame, I actually liked the supplements for what they were - backround books. They did pick some odd choices though.

[Tannarak]

It's been quite a while since I've played a 40k game. I have a question about these doctrines. Can a game last longer than 6 turns? What doctrine, if any, can a Skitarii player use on turns 7+?

[Charon]

Whatever is left. You MAY use them. There is no rule that you HAVE to pick one every turn.

[Duo Sonata]

So with the way those doctrines are worded, does that mean it affects independent characters and such that have joined with the unit?

[Houghten]

Given the precedent set by Astra Militarum orders, I'm going to guess "no, it doesn't."

[Charon]

So with the way those doctrines are worded, does that mean it affects independent characters and such that have joined with the unit?

"All models in friendly units with the Doctrina Imperatives special rule"
Don't see how it should affect allies as it is clearly on a model by model base...

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Charon's right. You're only affected if you have the rule.

[Sevenout]

So, we have seen at least some info about most of the Onager's weapons, but I have yet to find anything about the heavy phosphor blaster. has anyone seen its stats and cost?

[Bigred]

via Apple iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/book/codex-skittari-enhanced-edition/id981487597?ls=1&mt=1110lqaZ) 4-7-2015


Skitarii Relics
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[DrBored]

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Just in case you did not have access to the digital sample. I dug up these from the glossary of the sample codex.

Eradication Beamer - Base Weapon
0-9" S10 AP1 heavy 1
9-18" S8 AP3 heavy 1, Blast
18-36 S6 AP5 heavy 1, Large Blast

Twin linked heavy phosphor blaster - 15 points
36" S6 AP3 heavy 3 Lumingen-if the target suffers a wound, glance or pen, the unit gets a -1 to cover this phase.

Nuetron laser - 25 points
48" S10 AP1 Blast concussive

Cognis heavy stubber - with Neutron only
36" S4 AP6 heavy 3 Cognis-When making snap shots, the BS is counted as 2 instead of 1

Icarus array - 35 points
is a twin icarus autocannon with built in gatling rocket launcher and a built-in Daedalus Missile Launcher. any of all can be fired in the shooting phase. if you use the interceptor rule with the autocannon during the enemy turn, you can still fire the other weapons during your turn, even at different targets
Here are its three weapons

Daedalus Missile Launcher
48" S7 AP2 heavy 1 Skyfire

Gatling Rocket Launcher
48" S6 AP4 heavy 5, ignores cover, skyfire

Twin Icarus Autocannon
48" S7 AP4 heavy 2, interceptor, skyfire, twin-linked

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[Erik Setzer]

You can unleash the power of Tesla's skull? Okay then...

[Haighus]

I know! Sounds Awesome!!! :D

[Mr Mystery]

Roll on Saturday! Looking forward to getting me hands on the Codex and reading the new background.

[Kirsten]

might pick it up next week if it is in store when I visit London

[Psychosplodge]

Go find that Darksphere games or whatever its called that everyone recommended, the amount stuff on the shelves is damn impressive.

[Bigred]

It looks like the second Ad Mech Codex has been found:

via Atia on Bolter & Chainsword (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305781-rumours-adeptus-mechanicus-cult-mechanicus/) 4-8-2015


This thread will be for the next Mechanicus release - the Codex: Cult Mechanicus. I think we need a new thread for this, as the Skitarii one is big enough msn-wink.gif

first, early rumours regarding this release:


via Sad Panda on Dakka Dakka:
"As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no (global) campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3."

via Lords of Wargaming, facebook:
April/May It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

From LowG facebook
"They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus."
"Supplements, but models as well."


also, i've found this URL re-directs today smile.png

Codex: Cult Mechanicus
http://www.games-wor...-mechanicus-eng
gallery_79873_10492_46.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-cult-mechanicus-eng)

Codex: Cult Mechanicus (eBook)
http://www.games-wor...echanicus-ebook
gallery_79873_10492_9068.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-cult-mechanicus-ebook)

Codex: Cult Mechanicus (iPad)
http://www.games-wor...mechanicus-ipad
gallery_79873_10492_7181.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-cult-mechanicus-ipad)

Datacards: Cult Mechanicus
http://www.games-wor...-mechanicus-eng
gallery_79873_10492_927.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/datacards-cult-mechanicus-eng)

[Mr Mystery]

Nice.

Though not massively familiar with such things - could those just be made up links, or do you get a different 404 screen if you put in random names and numbers?

[Erik Setzer]

Nice.

Though not massively familiar with such things - could those just be made up links, or do you get a different 404 screen if you put in random names and numbers?

When I saw a redirect before it was taken down in the past, it led to a blank page. Header and footer were there, but otherwise white. Later, after its discovery was posted to the Internet, it became a 404 error page.

Once the redirects are 404 errors, it's hard to know if they were actually there unless you actually saw the white page.

Seems a bit odd, though, that people keep finding all these store URLs, and by the time I click on them, they're 404. Is GW's web staff setting things up early and only pulling them once people spot them? Why even set up the links ahead of time if you'll just end up pulling them if they're discovered? Save the trouble and don't push them live.

[Kirsten]

Go find that Darksphere games or whatever its called that everyone recommended, the amount stuff on the shelves is damn impressive.

yup, I recommended them :p

that is where I am going to go, but the Skitarii stuff isn't on their site yet, don't know when they will get it in.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

"Cult mechanicus" sounds more like a focus on the tech-priests and techo-religious stuff...sounds more my thing. I still ordered the Skitarii codex for the art and fluff though.

The price isn't that bad (£20 for 80 pages) either compared to some of the others.

Codex Knights is £25 and only has 64 pages.

Codex Militarum Tempestus (softback) is £25 and has 72 pages

[Brakkart]

yup, I recommended them :p

that is where I am going to go, but the Skitarii stuff isn't on their site yet, don't know when they will get it in.

Yeah I've checked a couple times to see if they had the new Skitarii stuff in stock yet as curious what their prices for those kits will be. I've ordered from them a couple times now and they are superb.

[Mr Mystery]

And not long now until my first chance to nab my Skitarii.

Unless.......hmm. Outside chance I may catch the local store still shutting up shop for the day. Might just get them in my mitts today....

[Patrick Boyle]

When I saw a redirect before it was taken down in the past, it led to a blank page. Header and footer were there, but otherwise white. Later, after its discovery was posted to the Internet, it became a 404 error page.

Once the redirects are 404 errors, it's hard to know if they were actually there unless you actually saw the white page.

Seems a bit odd, though, that people keep finding all these store URLs, and by the time I click on them, they're 404. Is GW's web staff setting things up early and only pulling them once people spot them? Why even set up the links ahead of time if you'll just end up pulling them if they're discovered? Save the trouble and don't push them live.

That's not the significant part. Notice that the urls posted in this thread are all in lower case, and when you visit them the names become upper case; that's the indication of the redirect. If you tried to go to, say, http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/random-gibberish, you'll note the same thing doesn't happen. There's something in the database the requests are being made against that matches up those names.

[Subs]

Cult Mechanus refers to the wider apparatus of the Adepts on the Forge World colonies and embedded within the Imperium rather than the actual Adeptus Mechanicus of Mar's it's self. So it sounds like another small army, this time designed to provide technical support to the SM and AM.

[Erik Setzer]

"Cult mechanicus" sounds more like a focus on the tech-priests and techo-religious stuff...sounds more my thing. I still ordered the Skitarii codex for the art and fluff though.

The price isn't that bad (£20 for 80 pages) either compared to some of the others.

Codex Knights is £25 and only has 64 pages.

Codex Militarum Tempestus (softback) is £25 and has 72 pages

Wow... I didn't catch that it was $33. That's a much more sane and reasonable price for a codex. Granted, it's only 80 pages, but still, at least it's a step in the right direction. Some of the supplements are 80 pages but $50 (like Waaagh! Ghazghkull).

[Mr Mystery]

As mentioned before, the Skitarii Infantry are also quite sanely priced. £23.50 for a full 10 man unit, though not with every possible combo of toys (only one of each spangle gun).

Codex noticably cheaper than the Knights one for extra pages.....

Even the tanks aren't massively expensive (your threshold may vary of course)

For now of course, it's the anomaly. But given we've a new head at the erm....head...we could be seeing a sign of things to come.

[Erik Setzer]

And then there's the light walkers... which throw it all out of whack.

I do wonder sometimes if they have a pricing team...

[Mr Mystery]

Those I'm not fussed about. Got two I'll be fiddling with tonight, and will almost certainly expand that to a full maniple of 6 Dragoons - because they'll look striking on the field, and TASER LANCES FZAAPPPPP!

For my pocket, as long as my Troop or Core choices are well priced, the rest can be a bit pricier, because I'll need less of them. Currently got 4 boxes of Rangers and Thingies, giving me 4 full troop choices. Two more, and that's an FoC Trooped out, and for under £150. Not many (if any?) armies can say that!

And yes, IG and Orks and Nids are the exception :p

[Houghten]

Orks can only say that if they take a lot of little mobs. If ya do it proppa... not so cheap.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

@Mystery Harlequins? 7*16=112?

[Mr Mystery]

Would need to check me book, but if I'm right in thinking, Harlequin Troops come in squads of up to 10, whereas a box gives 6?

Skitarii boxes represent a 'max head count' unit.

[Kirsten]

wasn't going to get any ad mech, but I am thinking two boxes of infantry, one of ninja assassins, and a codex.

[Mr Mystery]

Got four boxes Infantry, 2 Stalkers, and my limited Edition Skitarius Novel has just shipped. Yay!

[Kernbanks]

I really wish someone would have screen shot'ed these instead of copying links. Smells of hoax... Show me proof...

My Faith is reserved for the Emperor :)


It looks like the second Ad Mech Codex has been found:

via Atia on Bolter & Chainsword (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305781-rumours-adeptus-mechanicus-cult-mechanicus/) 4-8-2015

[Defenestratus]

I really wish someone would have screen shot'ed these instead of copying links. Smells of hoax... Show me proof...

My Faith is reserved for the Emperor :)

There's nothing to take a screenshot of. Go to this page to learn about what the whole "redirects found" thing means....
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/04/redirects-everything-you-need-to-know.html

[Patrick Boyle]

There's nothing to take a screenshot of. Go to this page to learn about what the whole "redirects found" thing means....
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/04/redirects-everything-you-need-to-know.html

I don't understand why people continue to doubt them; at this point every time one has been found, a matching product has been released shortly after. That should be enough evidence they're legit.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Hope the Electro-priests *look* like priests and have trailing cables instead of legs...they could even make the trailing cables electro-conductive to be used as a weapon.

[Kirsten]

you are so leg-ist :p

[Mr Mystery]

There's nothing to take a screenshot of. Go to this page to learn about what the whole "redirects found" thing means....
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/04/redirects-everything-you-need-to-know.html

Cheer for that :)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

you are so leg-ist :p

LOL - When it comes to futuristic warfare, aliens and cyborgs - absolutely. Mars shouldn't be limited by the human form since their all cyborgs! It does make sense for the Skitarii but on the cult mechanicus and cybernetic I want to see trailing cables, tanktracks and spider legs. My fave is def the trailing cable look, i like the best. It looks creepy and is actually quite original and makes you wonder more what is under all those robes. Don't forget I have a tarantula though, so I do love things with lots of fluffy legs and princess personalities XD

[Kirsten]

trailing cables are good, as are tracks and spider legs.

[Bigred]

Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305781-rumours-am-cult-mechanicus-fulgurite-electro-priests/) on the Electro-Priests: 4-9-2015

An Electro-priests page has been found on the GW website as part of the upcominh" Cult Mechanicus" release:


we will get FULGURITE ELECTRO PRIESTS (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/ad-mec-fulgurite-electro-priests)
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/ad-mec-fulgurite-electro-priests


...the release schedule is skitarii > eldar > maybe dark angels (remember, we only have a Interrogator Chaplain re-direct) > Cult Mechanicus (as we have working URL's for the Codex and Datacards)

Electro-Priests Background (Lexicanum) (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Electro-priest)

and rules from the days of yore...

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[Asymmetrical Xeno]

trailing cables are good, as are tracks and spider legs.

to me it just shows the mechanicum could be the most diverse "imperial" army. I don't really see them as "imperial" anyway - despite the alliance, they are like a seperate faction that just happens to work alongside the imperium. Mars has it's own unique culture and look and that medieval techno insanity is something I've never seen in any other SF setting making them one of few aspects of the backround that could be genuinely considered "original" I think.

[Mr Mystery]

Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305781-rumours-am-cult-mechanicus-fulgurite-electro-priests/) on the Electro-Priests: 4-9-2015

An Electro-priests page has been found on the GW website as part of the upcominh" Cult Mechanicus" release:



Electro-Priests Background (Lexicanum) (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Electro-priest)

and rules from the days of yore...

1359413595

Electro-Priests. Martian Masters of shuffling across the carpet and giving your victim a static shock!

[ShadowcatX]

to me it just shows the mechanicum could be the most diverse "imperial" army. I don't really see them as "imperial" anyway - despite the alliance, they are like a seperate faction that just happens to work alongside the imperium. Mars has it's own unique culture and look and that medieval techno insanity is something I've never seen in any other SF setting making them one of few aspects of the backround that could be genuinely considered "original" I think.

In the old fluff wasn't there a 3rd C'tan that was sleeping on Mars? The dragon I think?

[Mr Mystery]

Hinted at, but never clearly, emphatically stated. Definitely something Necron on Mars though.

[Erik Setzer]

In the old fluff wasn't there a 3rd C'tan that was sleeping on Mars? The dragon I think?

Pretty much, yep. Mostly hinted at in the 3rd edition Necron codex.

The Necrons also stole the Cullexus temple world in that book. They had a lot going on.

[Mr Mystery]

Well if you will neatly bundle up your pariahs on an orphan planet....would be rude not to!

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, but then GW dropped the Necron connection to Pariahs. I thought it made sense, as psykers and the Warp were a serious issue for the Necrons, so why wouldn't they try to have Pariahs around? It's not like they'd be bothered by them.

[Kirsten]

pretty much explicit actually in Mechanicum, tells you outright the Dragon is on Mars.

[Bigred]

via gamestrust.de (http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-formationsregeln-aus-dem-codex-skitarii,id42425.html) 4-9-2015


Skitarii Formations (german)

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German readers - get on it!

[Patrick Boyle]

pretty much explicit actually in Mechanicum, tells you outright the Dragon is on Mars.

Well, sort of anyway. It's not like it specifically says "the void dragon is totally buried on Mars", in fact the only mention of the word dragon is in an allegorical story that's pretty obviously about the Emperor, but the nature of what's buried on Mars isn't explicitly stated...

[Kirsten]

no, but they couldn't make it much more obvious

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

the new codex mentions how a shard of the void-dragon went crazy in the time-line section, so I imagine the fragment on Mars is probably a large shard that hasn't awoken yet.

Great for me as I have a mechanicum army specifically themed around the void-dragon.

[Kirsten]

are they wearing dragon hats? or buttons? 'I worship the dragon, ask me how?'

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

are they wearing dragon hats? or buttons? 'I worship the dragon, ask me how?'

No, but I used spare necron heads to make masks for the command squad and HQ, and some have gauss flayers -

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa207/embodiedscrew/40k%20Armies/cult%20of%20the%20dragon%20and%20Ulumeathi/CultOfTheDragon_HighPriest.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa207/embodiedscrew/40k%20Armies/cult%20of%20the%20dragon%20and%20Ulumeathi/CultOfTheDragon_Pariahs2.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa207/embodiedscrew/40k%20Armies/cult%20of%20the%20dragon%20and%20Ulumeathi/CultOfTheDragon_Priesthood.jpg

[ShadowcatX]

Between Google Translate and I it seems the War Cohort formation allows the reuse of one of their imperatives once per game and reroll warlord traits on the table in the book. Can't get exactly what's in it, too much glare, sadly.

[Patrick Boyle]

I'm pretty sure we've seen the rules for the Battle Maniple already, no? Seems to be saying that if it's your primary, the warlord gets to reroll the table and you get preferred enemy, I think? And that all models in it have scout and crusader. War Cohort is just 5 Battle Maniples(could you even field a War Cohort in 2000 points?), and gets some sort of bonus related to the Doctrines. Maybe being able to use each more than once?

In the Sicarin Killclade, the first special rule looks like "all friendly units in 12 inches of the Sicarin Infiltrators gain the neuralstatic aura special rule", the one Infilitrators get that debuffs nearby enemies. Second special rule looks like "Deathbringer something", can't decipher anything beyond the name of it.

I've got no clue on the Ironstrider formation, other than the third one seems to be some sort of bonus related to the formation arriving from reserves, and the second one is talking about Characters...

Disclaimer: I don't actually know any German beyond a few words, and most of the above is guessing based on what it looks like.

[Kirsten]

No, but I used spare necron heads to make masks for the command squad and HQ, and some have gauss flayers -

smells like heresy to me.

[ShadowcatX]

I'm pretty sure we've seen the rules for the Battle Maniple already, no? Seems to be saying that if it's your primary, the warlord gets to reroll the table and you get preferred enemy, I think? And that all models in it have scout and crusader. War Cohort is just 5 Battle Maniples(could you even field a War Cohort in 2000 points?), and gets some sort of bonus related to the Doctrines. Maybe being able to use each more than once?


3 Battle Maniples I believe.

[Kirsten]

always liked the word 'maniple' it is fun to say, you can do a lot with it.

I'd be curious to see how much, if any, crossover there ends up being between 40k ad mech and forge world ad mech, an Imperial Armour book perhaps, that would be awesome. some skitarii backed up by thallax, castellax etc...

[Patrick Boyle]

Ah, yeah, I apparently didn't look closely enough...that sounds more doable than '5 of everything'. Though 3 of still means you're looking at 6 ranger/vanguard units, 6 Ruststalker/infiltrators, then at least 3 of each vehicle. Lots of boxes...

[Brakkart]

always liked the word 'maniple' it is fun to say, you can do a lot with it.

I'd be curious to see how much, if any, crossover there ends up being between 40k ad mech and forge world ad mech, an Imperial Armour book perhaps, that would be awesome. some skitarii backed up by thallax, castellax etc...

I would be very surprised if Forge World don't bring out an Imperial Armour: War Machines of the Adeptus Mechanicus book at some point to allow the use of some of their AdMech models in the 40k game. I doubt it will be all of them though, just like the Space Marine one doesn't allow all their 30k era toys in the 40k game either (the Glaive, Falchion and the Sicaran Venator for example are all missing from that tome, as is the option for the Graviton Cannon Rapier). It just seems such an obvious product to make, both to sell it and to boost sales of existing models by providing the rules to use them in another game. Would be pretty daft of them not to make such a book really.

[Mr Mystery]

Dune crawlers look much better without the ballet feet, and less Chaosy too.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

It looks a lot better in those pics, but the GW site doesnt seem to want to go to the product ranges for me at current which is a bit fail -_-

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, they seem to have broken their site again... I think it might be time to tell the web crew they can either watch YouTube *or* drink pints while they work, not do both.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yeah, they seem to have broken their site again... I think it might be time to tell the web crew they can either watch YouTube *or* drink pints while they work, not do both.

Yeah, this has happened a good several times now. It's a little frustrating. I mean, I am starting to do that twitchy eye thing that makes people around me question my sanity - so they should really fix it before I go Videodrome on them.

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, this has happened a good several times now. It's a little frustrating. I mean, I am starting to do that twitchy eye thing that makes people around me question my sanity - so they should really fix it before I go Videodrome on them.

There's a lot of things that can go wrong with databases. I can't imagine how just adding new products could make all the product lines stop working properly on the site, but then, I can't imagine how many a slight change to a PVP function in World of Warcraft could cause a Paladin power to fire off at an insane rate turning them into gods for one shining moment before the change was reverted. Sometimes relational databases are fickle things. Ditto web code. (They could have been trying to push an update at the same time as making new products live, and had an unintended consequence. Can't always catch those before it happens.)

[Defenestratus]

There's a lot of things that can go wrong with databases. I can't imagine how just adding new products could make all the product lines stop working properly on the site, but then, I can't imagine how many a slight change to a PVP function in World of Warcraft could cause a Paladin power to fire off at an insane rate turning them into gods for one shining moment before the change was reverted. Sometimes relational databases are fickle things. Ditto web code. (They could have been trying to push an update at the same time as making new products live, and had an unintended consequence. Can't always catch those before it happens.)

I'll bet you a dollar to donuts that nobody involved in adding the mechanicus or terrain to the website even *knows* what a database is, no less what a relational DB structure is. The thing is run off of an Oracle Content Management system, which belies its underpinnings. If you change your region to en-GB then you can see the new stuff. US it just hasn't showed up yet. What probably happened is that someone didn't set the publish schedule correctly on the backside for the US based site. The old pre-order content page expired before the new pre-order content went live.

In my world of endless databases, rapid application development, federal regulations and irritable doctors and nurses, I've learned to never blame technology first when there's a human behind the keyboard

[Erik Setzer]

Hey, I'm all for assigning blame to an I-D-10-T error, or PEBCAK, but humans also tend to set up those databases, and it's easy enough to do something that mucks up the database.

Very possible the front-end people don't know what a database is, but that'd just be sad... I guess I'm too used to working with people who *do* know what the technology is behind what they're working with. The last time I saw people entering product data who didn't know how a database worked (much less what it is) was when I worked for a firm doing online stores for small businesses. I mean, really small... Biggest was Salt Life.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Hey, I'm all for assigning blame to an I-D-10-T error, or PEBCAK

Isn't that the name of an admech alpha?

[deinol]

(They could have been trying to push an update at the same time as making new products live, and had an unintended consequence. Can't always catch those before it happens.)

Who in their right mind would schedule a software roll out on new pre-orders day? Roll that out on Tuesday when nobody would notice. Not to mention staging roll outs on a QA server to verify functionality…

[Kirsten]

well I caved in and ordered the codex, two boxes of infantry, and a box of cyborg ninjas. I am not a massive Ad Mech fan, hadn't planned on buying any, but I just love all those new gun types, they look too awesome to ignore.

[Erik Setzer]

Who in their right mind would schedule a software roll out on new pre-orders day? Roll that out on Tuesday when nobody would notice. Not to mention staging roll outs on a QA server to verify functionality…

The same kind of people who....
...spend 4.5 million pounds on a website?
...aren't able to handle the traffic for a popular release?
...don't get preorders up on their website until something's already sold out?
...don't seem to grasp that people can't find redirects if you don't have them live?

Also, you can test all day and people will still find a way to break your software. And I have no idea how much they do test. I just hope it's a lot more than the game development team.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

well I caved in and ordered the codex, two boxes of infantry, and a box of cyborg ninjas. I am not a massive Ad Mech fan, hadn't planned on buying any, but I just love all those new gun types, they look too awesome to ignore.

I bought the codex - I am tempted to get some cyber ninjas and replace the legs with snake-like trailing cables.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

I've gone all out.
Bought everything I need to make a 1500pts Maniple.
Which will add to the 4500(ish) points of mixed dex madness that makes up my existing AdMek.

[Kirsten]

I will have to wait and see what the codex is like, and see what happens with further books before I get anything else.

[silashand]

And I have no idea how much they do test. I just hope it's a lot more than the game development team.

I would not bet money on that... just sayin' ;)