Admech, Genecult, AND Deathwatch!

[DrBored]

Picked 75hastings69's brain over on Warseer: 2-17-2015
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhammer-30K/page8

Just start there and keep reading, or for the lazy:

-In No Particular Order-
Adeptus Mechanicus Codex & models (full release)
Genestealer Cult Codex & models (Harelquin sized release)
Deathwatch Codex & models (Harelquin sized release)
Horus Heresy Standalone box game, on sale for a few months, then models become part of 30k range - Mark 4 + Cataphract armors featured, as well as Contemptor
Assassins Standalone box game, on sale for a few months, then models become part of the 40k range.

Also of note:
Greater Daemons all complete
Dark Angels later in the year
Tzeentch later in the year

From a VERY TRUSTED source: 2-17-2015
Ad-Mech scheduled for April

Regarding Ad Mech:
via Lords of War Gaming (https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming?ref=br_tf)

April/May
It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212

No, there is no mention of the Horus Heresy on the pages I have seen. These are codex entries, and the weapon section is titled -Armoury of the Forgeworlds- and then goes on to mention arc weapons, cognis weapons, eradication beamer, all like we talked about before.

At the very top of the page, it starts off with the text- This section of Codex: Skitarii lists weapons and equipment used by the Skitarii, along with the rules for using them in your games of Warhammer 40,000-

There is no mention of Warhammer 30,000, the Great Crusade, or the Horus Heresy. Just 40k.

via the Birds in the Trees: 2-18-2015


The Paper Products

– Codex:Adeptus Mechachanicus Skitarii

– Heraldry/Hobby book

– Ad Mech Datacards (contains no psychic power cards)

The Miniatures

– Ad Mech Skitarii box

– Ad Mech Myrmidon box

– Energy weapon platform/ transport box (combo-kit)

– Legio Cybernetica Colossus/Conqueror box (combo kit)

– Magos Clampack

– Secutor Clampack

So, for those keeping score, that gives us two separate sources pointing to an April/May release window, as well as two books. The robots listed would be a dual-kit to make two of the classic Rogue Trader Imperial Robots that Forgeworld has not done yet. Between that kit and Forgeworld, that would be 4 out of 5 completed (with only the chunky Cataphract remaining)

via Birds in the Trees 2-21-2015


Some early tidbits on Mechanicus units:

- Legion Cybernetica units have a certain quick and easy "programming" game mechanic built into them.

- Examp les listed were only being able to define certain aspects of moving and/or shoointing directly, with some aspects being determined either in a pre-defined manner, or randomly. thus some of your Ad-mech units may not be "wholly" under your direct player control.

- There will however be certain pieced of wargiesr and or "controller" units which will get around these limitations.

via Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302401-rumours-mechanicus-skitarii-vanguard/)on Bolter & Chainsword 3-10-2015


The following URL suffixes on the GW webstore (for UK) resolve to blank pages instead of taking you to the default 404 page. This is the same behavior that was seen before the Harlequin product pages went live. These correlate strongly with the previous list of rumors Ad-Mech products.

/Skitarii-Vanguard
/Legio-Cybernetica
/Codex-Skitarii-ENG
/Datacards-Skitarii-ENG
/Skitarii-Paint-Web-Bundle

via Lords of War (https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming) (facebook) 4-10-2015


"Admech are right around the corner. ...They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus."
"Supplements, but models as well."

via clockwork 3-17-2015

"ALL MAIL MARS"
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via one of Gary's birds (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/ARgQQxlWVzA/admech-sightings-start-now.html) 3-23-2015


I've seen images from White Dwarf, one showing a 4 legged walker painted in red, with a admech soldier on top with a heavy stubber. There was a second image of an admech robbed infantry holding a rifle, but was rather small and blurry. Both images were shown on an internet chat group. Sorry I dont have more right now.

MECHANICUS MINIS!

via imgur (http://imgur.com/a/W8eIR)3-23-2015
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Warseer's Jaqtarr (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7409509&viewfull=1#post7409509): 3-23-2015


Mechanicus image stitched together from GW video:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDxC-JD5Ko

via warseer's Felwether (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7409546&viewfull=1#post7409546) 3-23-2015
Hey folks, up for pre-order this week are:


Admech Skitarii - 10 minis can be built as Rangers or Vanguard. £23.50/€31

Admech Ironstrider £29.50/€38

via Lord Shadowheart (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7409875&viewfull=1#post7409875) (Warseer) 3-23-2015


Skitarii Rangers
Skitarii Vanguard
Sydonian Dragoon
Ironstrider Ballistarius

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via an anonymous source on Faeit 212


+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

via lordbeefy from Warseer


Heard from my local blue shirt...

Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book
Next book is the full adeptus mechanicus codexx
Third book is painting guide

There are two hq models, two heavies one a walker one is a more traditional vehicle design (?)..... the main codex will have significant decurion like formations with some really powerful special rules.

As rumours go its fairly bland or non specific but thought I would pass it on anywY

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Adeptus Mechanicus Roundup Continued

via brakkart 3-23-2015

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via Captain Citadel (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20724-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumor-Roundup&p=228381&viewfull=1#post228381) 3-25-2015


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via Stuart Smiley (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?53257-Admech-Genecult-AND-Deathwatch!&p=484601&viewfull=1#post484601) 3-25-2015


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via one of Gary's birds 3-27-2015


+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

via Warseer's lordbeefy (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7412522&viewfull=1#post7412522) 3-27-2015


Heard from my local blue shirt...

Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book
Next book is the full adeptus mechanicus codexx
Third book is painting guide

There are two hq models, two heavies one a walker one is a more traditional vehicle design (?)..... the main codex will have significant decurion like formations with some really powerful special rules.

As rumours go its fairly bland or non specific but thought I would pass it on anywY


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-overloaded on awesome-

At this rate, those "new armies" wishlists will have to have all new entries :D

[energongoodie]

Adeptus Mechanius Round Up Con't

Via Tomard on Dakka (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/70969.page) 03-31-2015(Who apparently got his WD early in germany!)


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I want to believe.

Genestealer cult would have me throwing money at the screen in a way I haven't done for a good long while.

[40kGamer]

Adeptus Mechanicus Round Up Con't


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via jipin (twitter) (http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-admin/Come%20quick!%20Take%20a%20look%20at%20the%20Warge ar%20and%20prices%20from%20this%20week's%20round%2 02%20of%20Adeptus%20Mechanicus!) 3-31-2015

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via chaotica cloaquis (15/03/31/31809104.html) 3-31-2015

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via Gametrust.de (http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-onager-dunecrawler-woche-1-anleitungen,id42268.html) 4-1-2015


Onager Dunewalker sighted:

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via 40Kings.de (http://www.40kings.de/2015/04/ad-mech-codex-ist-da-alle-details-qna-in-den-kommentaren/) 4-2-2015

Codex Skitarii Rules Latest:


Codex Umfang & Allies:

Der Codex Ad Mech ist vom Umfang her ähnlich dem Harlequin Buch. Es gibt beispielsweise kein einziges HQ Modell im Buch, nichtmal einen Slot dafür. Es gibt im Prinzip “nur” die bisher bekannten Einheiten. Ad Mech ist eine Armee des Imperiums und somit als BB mit allen anderen imperialen Armeen kombinierbar.

Force Org:

Der klassische Force-Org der Skitarii ist im Prinzip eine Formation, die allen Einheiten “scout” und “crusader” verleiht, satt! Außerdem bekommt der Warlord (und damit einer der Infantrie-Einheiten) “preferred enemy”. Liest sich so wie: “unsere normalen Einheiten sind nicht stark genug – lasst uns mal ein paar gute USR verteilen…”.

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Wardlord Traits:

Die WLT sind mal wieder weniger spannend.

shrouded
eternal warrior
eine Waffe master-crafted (aber kein Relikt)
12″ reroll pinning, moral, fear
overwatch mit BF4
reroll failed fnp + x

Relikte:

myteriöses Zeug rerollen
zealot USR
Ini1: jede Einheit im Nahkampf mit Träger macht Widerstands-Test, verpatzt = W6 Wunden ohne Rüstung
Phase Taser mit Initest bei Wunde oder tot
Pistole mit Gimmicks
Skull of Elder…Effekt xx

Waffen (Auswahl):

Icarus Array (nur für Dunecrawler, aber SATT!): Deadalus missile launcher: heavy 1, 7/2 48″ skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 6/4 48″ skyfire, ignores cover + twin icarus autocannon: heavy 2, 7/4 48″ skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.
Eradication Beamer (nur für Dunecrawler, Standarf-Bewaffnung): 0″- 9″: 10/1, 9″ – 18″: 8/3 blast, 18″ – 36″: 6/5 large blast
Neutron Laser: 48″ 10/1 blast, concussive

Doktrinen:

Es gibt insgesamt 6 Doktrinen. Zu Beginn der Bewegungsphase kann jeweils eine genutzt werden (one use). Die Doktrinen geben

+1 BF
+1 KG
+2 BF / -1 KG
+2 KG / -1 BF
+3 BF / -2 KG
+3 KG / -2 BF

Schmankerl: Dunecrawler
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Dazu gibt’s ein paar spannende Ausrüstungsoptionen, u.a. das Icarus Array für stolze 45 Punkte als Ersatz für den normalen Eradication Beamer oder den Neutron Laser. Die Läufer verfügen außerdem über Schilde (6++), die sich mit weiteren Läufer der Schwadron in 4 Zoll um jeweils einen Punkt verbessern (max. 4++).


German speakers... get on it!

Google translate results (not the greatest):


Codex scope & Allies :

The Codex Ad Mech is very similar in scope to the Harlequin book. For example, there is no single model HQ in the book, not even a slot for it. There are basically "only" the known units. Ad Mech is an army of the Empire and can therefore be combined as BB with all other imperial armies.

Force Org :

The classic Force Org of Skitarii is basically a formation that all units " scout " and " crusader " confers full! In addition, the Warlord gets (and thus one of the infantry units) "preferred enemy" . Reads as : " our normal units are not strong enough - let us to some good USR distribute ... " .

Warlord Traits:

The WLT are again less exciting.

shrouded
eternal warrior
a weapon master-crafted (but not a relic)
12 "reroll pinning, morals, fear
watch over with BF4
reroll failed fnp + x

Relics:

rerollen myteriöses stuff
zealot USR
InI1: every unit in close combat with carrier makes resistance test, marred = D6 wounds without armor
Phase with Taser Initest in wound or dead
Gun with gimmicks
Skull of Elder effect ... xx

Weapons (selection):

Icarus array (only for Dunecrawler, but NEED!): Daedalus missile launcher: heavy 1 7/2 48 "skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 48 6/4" skyfire, ignores cover + icarus twin autocannon: heavy 2, 48 7/4 "skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.
Eradication projector (for Dunecrawler, Stan May-Armament): 0 "- 9": 10/1, 9 "- 18": 8/3 blast, 18 "- 36": 6/5 large blast
Neutron Laser: 48 "10/1 blast, concussive

Doctrines:

There are a total of 6 doctrines. At the start of the movement phase can one be used (one use). Add the doctrines

+1 BF
+1 KG
+2 BF / -1 KG
+2 KG / -1 BF
+3 BF / -2 KG
+3 KG / -2 BF

Onager: Dunecrawler

Plus there's a couple of interesting equipment options, including The Icarus array for proud 45 points as a substitute for the normal Eradication projector or the neutron laser . The runners also have shields (6 ++) that deal with other runners in the squadron 4 inches to climb up a point ( max. 4 ++).


via one of Gary's birds (http://feeds.feedburner.com/faeit212) 4-3-2015

Onager Dunestalker rules:


Wargear
Eradication Beamer
Broad Spectrum Data-Tether
Emanatus Force Field
Searchlight

Special Rules
Doctrina Imperatives
Crawler-ignores diff terrain and auto passes dangerous
Field Harmonics-increases invul saves +1 for each model in the same squadron within 4"

Options
may include two more at 90pts each
can replace its main weapon with a twin linked heavy phosphor blaster 15pts, nuetron laser and cognis heavy stubber 25pts, icarus array 35pts
Can take any items from the Skitarii Vehicle equipment list.


via barcode (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?53257-Admech-Genecult-AND-Deathwatch!&p=486348&viewfull=1#post486348) 4-4-2015

Codex Skitarii images via iTunes store: (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?53257-Admech-Genecult-AND-Deathwatch!&p=486348&viewfull=1#post486348)


via Apple iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/book/codex-skittari-enhanced-edition/id981487597?ls=1&mt=1110lqaZ) 4-7-2015


Skitarii Relics
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It looks like the second Ad Mech Codex has been found:

via Atia on Bolter & Chainsword (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305781-rumours-adeptus-mechanicus-cult-mechanicus/) 4-8-2015


This thread will be for the next Mechanicus release - the Codex: Cult Mechanicus. I think we need a new thread for this, as the Skitarii one is big enough msn-wink.gif

first, early rumours regarding this release:


via Sad Panda on Dakka Dakka:
"As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no (global) campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3."

via Lords of Wargaming, facebook:
April/May It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

From LowG facebook
"They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus."
"Supplements, but models as well."


also, i've found this URL re-directs today smile.png

Codex: Cult Mechanicus
http://www.games-wor...-mechanicus-eng
gallery_79873_10492_46.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-cult-mechanicus-eng)

Codex: Cult Mechanicus (eBook)
http://www.games-wor...echanicus-ebook
gallery_79873_10492_9068.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-cult-mechanicus-ebook)

Codex: Cult Mechanicus (iPad)
http://www.games-wor...mechanicus-ipad
gallery_79873_10492_7181.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-cult-mechanicus-ipad)

Datacards: Cult Mechanicus
http://www.games-wor...-mechanicus-eng
gallery_79873_10492_927.png (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/datacards-cult-mechanicus-eng)



Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305781-rumours-am-cult-mechanicus-fulgurite-electro-priests/) on the Electro-Priests: 4-9-2015


we will get FULGURITE ELECTRO PRIESTS (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/ad-mec-fulgurite-electro-priests)
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/ad-mec-fulgurite-electro-priests


...the release schedule is skitarii > eldar > maybe dark angels (remember, we only have a Interrogator Chaplain re-direct) > Cult Mechanicus (as we have working URL's for the Codex and Datacards)



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I want to believe.

Genestealer cult would have me throwing money at the screen in a way I haven't done for a good long while.

On the heels of Harlequins the cult would cause my wallet to explode!

[Bigred]

Ad Mech Rumors Continued

via gamestrust.de (http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-adeptus-mechanicus-bilder-formationsregeln-aus-dem-codex-skitarii,id42425.html) 4-9-2015


Skitarii Formations (german)

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German readers - get on it!




ORIGINAL POST:
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From a VERY TRUSTED source:
Ad-Mech scheduled for April

[Mr Mystery]

But...but I'm LARPing in April!

It's all a plot against me.

[Arkhan Land]

G-unit!

[Jimmynurgle]

I want to believe.

Genestealer cult would have me throwing money at the screen in a way I haven't done for a good long while.

I would get a 2nd job JUST to fund the cult... pleasepleasepleaseplease

[Bigred]

Regarding Ad Mech:
via Lords of War Gaming (https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming?ref=br_tf)

April/May
It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

[DrBored]

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212

No, there is no mention of the Horus Heresy on the pages I have seen. These are codex entries, and the weapon section is titled -Armoury of the Forgeworlds- and then goes on to mention arc weapons, cognis weapons, eradication beamer, all like we talked about before.

At the very top of the page, it starts off with the text- This section of Codex: Skitarii lists weapons and equipment used by the Skitarii, along with the rules for using them in your games of Warhammer 40,000-

There is no mention of Warhammer 30,000, the Great Crusade, or the Horus Heresy. Just 40k.

[William Lang]

From a VERY TRUSTED source:
Ad-Mech scheduled for AprilApril 1st, right?

[DrBored]

April 1st, right?

Though I know the joke you're getting at, Apr. 1st lands on a Wednesday, and GW typically releases their stuff on Friday/Saturday each week. The soonest would be Apr. 3rd.

[Subs]

Let me get this right. Necrons, Harlequins, Admech, Skitari, Deathwatch, Sisters, Stealer Cults, Khorne, Tzeench and presumably Nurgle and Slaneesh as well, that's almost a codex a month, in the same year they reboot WHFB and allegedly phase LOTR's out for basic 30K. Either someones have a laugh or GW product development haven't been allowed any sleep for the past two years. Personally I think if this is all true, then 40K wont have been this good since the early days of Rouge Trader and the accompanying books.

Although huh, still no basic Inquisition. you'd kinda think that would be one of the foundation codice for the Imperial forces.

[DrBored]

Let me get this right. Necrons, Harlequins, Admech, Skitari, Deathwatch, Sisters, Stealer Cults, Khorne, Tzeench and presumably Nurgle and Slaneesh as well, that's almost a codex a month, in the same year they reboot WHFB and allegedly phase LOTR's out for basic 30K. Either someones have a laugh or GW product development haven't been allowed any sleep for the past two years. Personally I think if this is all true, then 40K wont have been this good since the early days of Rouge Trader and the accompanying books.

Although huh, still no basic Inquisition. you'd kinda think that would be one of the foundation codice for the Imperial forces.

Sisters got knocked off the list, and some of these may not come out this year. There seem to be conflicting rumors regarding whether Tzeentch or Khorne gets Chaos Marine treatment. Considering the Blood Thirster got released with a bunch of WFB minis, I'm guessing Khorne Chaos Marines aren't happening, and that any rumors regarding Chaos Marines getting any appropriate treatment should be taken with a train-load of salt. Anything Chaos related will probably be Daemons or Fantasy-based. That's just my guess.

[Subs]

Way I understand it each wave of Daemon releases is getting both a WFB and 40K book release. The 40K books also cover the CSM's specific to that power. both books are suppose to be more about the cults of the ruinous powers then just Daemons or mortal followers. Talk of Nurgle and Slaneesh does seem to be pretty thin so I'm wondering if they're a lot later in the schedule though.

[DrBored]

Way I understand it each wave of Daemon releases is getting both a WFB and 40K book release. The 40K books also cover the CSM's specific to that power. both books are suppose to be more about the cults of the ruinous powers then just Daemons or mortal followers. Talk of Nurgle and Slaneesh does seem to be pretty thin so I'm wondering if they're a lot later in the schedule though.

Khorne is getting their Fantasy release with the Blood Thirster and those other things, but until Chaos Marines gets new Khorne Berzerkers, I'm going to remain horribly pessimistic about Chaos Marines getting any treatment, and that all the releases will be towards Fantasy until proven otherwise.

[Bigred]

via the Birds in the Trees: 2-18-2015


The Paper Products

– Codex:Adeptus Mechachanicus Skitarii

– Heraldry/Hobby book

– Ad Mech Datacards (contains no psychic power cards)

The Miniatures

– Ad Mech Skitarii box

– Ad Mech Myrmidon box

– Energy weapon platform/ transport box (combo-kit)

– Legio Cybernetica Colossus/Conqueror box (combo kit)

– Magos Clampack

– Secutor Clampack

So, for those keeping score, that gives us two separate sources pointing to an April/May release window, as well as two books. The robots listed would be a dual-kit to make two of the classic Rogue Trader Imperial Robots that Forgeworld has not done yet. Between that kit and Forgeworld, that would be 4 out of 5 completed (with only the chunky Cataphract remaining)

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Cool!

[Lord Commissar Maxwell]

Ad mech sounds like a pretty good release, Im also excited to see if the deathwatch rumor is true as i can imagine the kind of scenarios I could run in games. Im think maybe the nids vs some imperial guard. and then a beefed up xeno murder squad of space marines playing hunt the hive tyrant or a specific objective. It would be great for telling stories.

[Mr Mystery]

Remember folks - if people are making this up, Mr Chainsaw is going to have a comedy visit to Mr Kneecaps.

[Arkhan Land]

oooooooh collosus, my favortie rt robot, I have three but im guessing if its anything like the castellax theyll be nigh too short

[Erik Setzer]

Personally I think if this is all true, then 40K wont have been this good since the early days of Rouge Trader and the accompanying books.

If the sales keep dropping with all this... I think it'll be time to make a backup hobby plan, or hope someone swoops in.

While I'm excited, I'm also a little worried. The drop in revenues seemed to point to fewer new people coming into the games, as a lot of revenue would have been made from existing customers buying the new edition of 40K, Knights, Tempestus Scions, new codices, two campaigns, all kinds of cool stuff. These books are giving us armies existing players have been asking for, and that's great for us. But how do these releases address the issue of getting new players into the game? That's what would really excite me even more than seeing armies I've been waiting for. (Oh, I'm excited about them. alright, except for knowing I'll be dropping a lot of cash and my to-do list of hobby projects will keep increasing and backing up.)

[40kGamer]

Remember folks - if people are making this up, Mr Chainsaw is going to have a comedy visit to Mr Kneecaps.

Already got my Louisville Slugger warmed up for a quick trip to the rumor source. :p

[DrBored]

If the sales keep dropping with all this... I think it'll be time to make a backup hobby plan, or hope someone swoops in.

While I'm excited, I'm also a little worried. The drop in revenues seemed to point to fewer new people coming into the games, as a lot of revenue would have been made from existing customers buying the new edition of 40K, Knights, Tempestus Scions, new codices, two campaigns, all kinds of cool stuff. These books are giving us armies existing players have been asking for, and that's great for us. But how do these releases address the issue of getting new players into the game? That's what would really excite me even more than seeing armies I've been waiting for. (Oh, I'm excited about them. alright, except for knowing I'll be dropping a lot of cash and my to-do list of hobby projects will keep increasing and backing up.)

You sound surprised.

Consider the world we live in. Babies are introduced to smart phones and tablets almost as soon as they can wave their arms around. Who has time to go to a comic shop when Tiffany is flinging drama at Bethany on Twitter? Katy Perry did what? Kanye West did WHAT?? Kids are being raised in totally separate worlds, and their parents are just as involved in those worlds more than ever before. The 'new players' that GW is looking for are going to be the kids of nerds like us. You want to help GW? Procreate and raise your kids to like social hobbies.

[Erik Setzer]

You sound surprised.

Consider the world we live in. Babies are introduced to smart phones and tablets almost as soon as they can wave their arms around. Who has time to go to a comic shop when Tiffany is flinging drama at Bethany on Twitter? Katy Perry did what? Kanye West did WHAT?? Kids are being raised in totally separate worlds, and their parents are just as involved in those worlds more than ever before. The 'new players' that GW is looking for are going to be the kids of nerds like us. You want to help GW? Procreate and raise your kids to like social hobbies.


That's not the issue I've seen. I see people come in, interested... then they look at the prices, and leave. The barrier of entry needs to be lowered. Having an $85 rulebook or $125 box set with figures people might not want doesn't really help people want to jump in.

Even with a hobby as "expensive" as video games, you can get a brand new console not even on sale for less than what I just paid for Skaven additions (not an army, just new stuff for the army), and less than the new End Times books, and then if you're patient you can nab games for $20-$30 even without buying used (especially close to Christmas, when brand new games will be on sale for 33-50% off quite often). I have a large collection of games because a lot of them I could buy pretty cheap just by waiting, and they didn't diminish in actual value. I get that online shooters might (though there's plenty of people to play against in Titanfall, and I just got the Deluxe Edition of that for $12.49), but various RPGs, action games, stuff like that, they don't lose their value, but they do come down in price dramatically. GW stuff starts high and never drops.

I used to gripe about how much it cost to keep going with slot cars, but that was a lot less than what GW games cost. (I mean the 1/24 scale, where a nasty wreck will bend your chassis too much to straighten, and the motors can burn out every couple weeks if the rules allow tweaking. With 1/32 scale, you're good with a controller and a car, and you can a good combination of those for less than $150. You can be solid for less than $100 even.)

Harlequins are awesome, but for a new player? Not so much. I've dropped over $200 on them so far, and that's netted me about 600 points if I throw all kinds of stuff on the models... base cost for those models is about 450 points. That's a third of what people play games at. So someone's looking at more like $500-$600, plus the codex, and of course, the rulebook. And this isn't even a horde army. Mercifully, you don't have many options with the army, so it's not a huge concern to buy extra models to have variety. AdMech sound like a similar situation.

So, yeah... these are great for those of us in the nostalgia crowd, and those of us who are already in the game, but don't fix the problem of trying to get people into the game.

[DrBored]

That's not the issue I've seen. I see people come in, interested... then they look at the prices, and leave. The barrier of entry needs to be lowered. Having an $85 rulebook or $125 box set with figures people might not want doesn't really help people want to jump in.

Even with a hobby as "expensive" as video games, you can get a brand new console not even on sale for less than what I just paid for Skaven additions (not an army, just new stuff for the army), and less than the new End Times books, and then if you're patient you can nab games for $20-$30 even without buying used (especially close to Christmas, when brand new games will be on sale for 33-50% off quite often). I have a large collection of games because a lot of them I could buy pretty cheap just by waiting, and they didn't diminish in actual value. I get that online shooters might (though there's plenty of people to play against in Titanfall, and I just got the Deluxe Edition of that for $12.49), but various RPGs, action games, stuff like that, they don't lose their value, but they do come down in price dramatically. GW stuff starts high and never drops.

I used to gripe about how much it cost to keep going with slot cars, but that was a lot less than what GW games cost. (I mean the 1/24 scale, where a nasty wreck will bend your chassis too much to straighten, and the motors can burn out every couple weeks if the rules allow tweaking. With 1/32 scale, you're good with a controller and a car, and you can a good combination of those for less than $150. You can be solid for less than $100 even.)

Harlequins are awesome, but for a new player? Not so much. I've dropped over $200 on them so far, and that's netted me about 600 points if I throw all kinds of stuff on the models... base cost for those models is about 450 points. That's a third of what people play games at. So someone's looking at more like $500-$600, plus the codex, and of course, the rulebook. And this isn't even a horde army. Mercifully, you don't have many options with the army, so it's not a huge concern to buy extra models to have variety. AdMech sound like a similar situation.

So, yeah... these are great for those of us in the nostalgia crowd, and those of us who are already in the game, but don't fix the problem of trying to get people into the game.

Yes, the expense is quite the barrier, but I know that part of a hobby is being included. People drop thousands of dollars to go on ski trips with friends every year because it's what they do. So the next time a person comes in and scoffs at the price, say, 'Hey, but check all this out, you can start small, and I even have an extra army that you can play while you add on your own'.

I've heard a lot of people that say they have 4, 5, even 10 different armies, but when's the last time those people lets someone new borrow an army for the sake of getting into the hobby and feeling included?

[Erik Setzer]

I've heard a lot of people that say they have 4, 5, even 10 different armies, but when's the last time those people lets someone new borrow an army for the sake of getting into the hobby and feeling included?

Well, as someone with a lot of spare armies but no way to transport them (no car; I either walk to the shop or get a ride with a friend), I know that another option is to let someone borrow part of your army and just do two sides with the same faction. Alternately, find someone else to play, and do a 2-v-1 or 2-v-2 mentoring the person as you fight alongside them.

Since I play in a GW store, though, the manager tends to intercept potential new customers. He does have some good points to try to help massage the price a bit, i.e. by noting that Dark Vengeance is a complete game that you can play like a board game even if you choose not to get into the hobby.

[This Dave]

Really hoping the Deathwatch rumors are true. Have an entire Deathwatch army I would really like an official codex for.

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[Arkhan Land]

I've heard a lot of people that say they have 4, 5, even 10 different armies, but when's the last time those people lets someone new borrow an army for the sake of getting into the hobby and feeling included?

I feel lucky enough that I play with a tight enough group of weirdos I dont mind lending out a lil detatchment for a week but the sad truth is not one of my friends who has borrowed an army from me has gotten into it : /

my best luck with recruitment is giving away extra SM army pieces I got for free to some of the newer players who really need them but are held back on a time frame for their purchases to fill out armies. I just lucked out when building a company/armoury (Got all infantry for free in addition to handful of rhinos, everything else in the company was a natty auction) and ended up with WAY MORE stuff than Ive ever fielded even in apocalypse games. After all how much do I really need 10 Rhinos/Razors when Ive only ever fielded as many as 7?

[Mr Mystery]

I'm okay lending out the odd unit, but not an entire army.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure why! It doesn't extend to my X-Wing toys, just GW stuff. And it's not as if I paint them either.

[Arkhan Land]

I mean they are exspensive as all heck, but then again I sometimes loan out LPs to people to borrow for their DJ sets that are worth more than some of my apoclaype sized armies.

im just kind of loose with my marines and tyranids cause I got them for free/cheap. Ide probably not feel as friendly with my eldar or chaos armies. also I cant stress the degree to which I know and chill with all these weirdos, all former bandmates/roomates/co-workers. Ide let someone I knew less borrow an army for a night at a store/event, but not to take home and battle other people, with half my rines and most of my nids I couldnt care less I'de be bummed if they got stolen/destroyed/melted/etc. but as i mentioned I got most of the rines for free and all of the NIDs for some MTG cards my ex-roomate gave to me to settle bill money, you know how that goes.

alsob sort of to add to my thing earlier about not picking up players, what seems to be the most troubling thing to most of the new players I know is the prospect of buying a codex and rulebook. For this reason I frequently trade for and give away DV mini-books

[Bigred]

via Birds in the Trees 2-21-2015


Some early tidbits on Mechanicus units:

- Legion Cybernetica units have a certain quick and easy "programming" game mechanic built into them.

- Examp les listed were only being able to define certain aspects of moving and/or shoointing directly, with some aspects being determined either in a pre-defined manner, or randomly. thus some of your Ad-mech units may not be "wholly" under your direct player control.

- There will however be certain pieced of wargiesr and or "controller" units which will get around these limitations.

[Splatter Paint]

Not sure about the Admech stuff. Not a huge fan of the forgeworld models they have done so far, and if that trend flows over into 40K, I think I won't have a hard time leaving it. Deathwatch however.....

[Splatter Paint]

Ive not been a massive fan of the FW Admech models, so I hope GW goes in a slightly different direction. If not... halloooooo deathwatch!

[StingrayP226]

A huge problem for 40k is there are good competitors out there that cost a lot less to get into and build an army. Heck for the cost of the 40k rulebook/codex some games you can have a good sized army AND the rules.

40k/WHFB is no longer in a vacuum and their competition keeps their eyes open to the market. They utilize the social media, they listen to player/customers (listen doesn't alwayd mean do what they say but they do listen and consider what is said), and most of all they learn from the mistakes of others.

GW seems to be happy sitting on top of their castle ignoring the world around them. They cannot see why their castle is falling apart and often their "fixes" only make the problem worse in the long run (price increases).

Also gaming conventions and other companies seem to be growing... so saying the hobby as a whole is dying because GW is losing sales is rather shortsighted and foolish.

[Ruadhan2300]

Some early tidbits on Mechanicus units:

- Legion Cybernetica units have a certain quick and easy "programming" game mechanic built into them.

- Examp les listed were only being able to define certain aspects of moving and/or shoointing directly, with some aspects being determined either in a pre-defined manner, or randomly. thus some of your Ad-mech units may not be "wholly" under your direct player control.

- There will however be certain pieced of wargiesr and or "controller" units which will get around these limitations.

Interesting, but this sounds basically identical to the 30k system. but it's vague enough it could go all the way out to something resembling the old Robot Programming flowcharts...

One method (that I just came up with off the top of my head) that might work like the old system would be a deck of cards based system. so you spend points (say, 1 point per card, 2 for really advanced ones)
to build a stack of instructions for each robot, during the Robot Phase (or split up into the other phases) you take the top card, read and follow it, then place it on the bottom of the stack. repeat until you get to the first card again.
Could get a bit unwieldy with multiple robots though..
Alternately, having a load of Modifier cards for each phase of the game which are assigned to a specific robot unit at the start. So for example, providing the USR Rage for melee. or "attack nearest unit in range" with a modifier for "IFF"
Then in combat, a wound might have a chance to remove any IFF card. or something.

I might have a chat about it with my local group and experiment with this...

[Death Shroud]

I was telling myself I was done with 40k but I'd get only get back in if Sisters of Battle were released (seriously I've binned a ridiculous amount of stuff the last few weeks). But Genestealer Cults? If they release those and don't **** 'em up then I wouldn't be able to stop myself from buying them. :-(

[Bigred]

via Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302401-rumours-mechanicus-skitarii-vanguard/)on Bolter & Chainsword 3-10-2015

The following URL suffixes on the GW webstore (for UK) resolve to blank pages instead of taking you to the default 404 page. This is the same behavior that was seen before the Harlequin product pages went live. These correlate strongly with the previous list of rumors Ad-Mech products.


/Skitarii-Vanguard
/Legio-Cybernetica
/Codex-Skitarii-ENG
/Datacards-Skitarii-ENG
/Skitarii-Paint-Web-Bundle

via Lords of War (https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming) (facebook) 4-10-2015


"Admech are right around the corner. ...They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus."
"Supplements, but models as well."

[Brakkart]

via Lords of War (https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming) (facebook) 4-10-2015

That actually makes a lot of sense as AdMech covers several groups (Cult Mechanicus, Legio Cybernetica, Skitarii, Titan Legions and allied Knight Houses and probably others I've forgotten too) and as GW don't include FW units in their codexes I doubt we will see a codex from them for the AdMech as a whole.

Forgeworld on the other hand could (and very likely will) do an Imperial Armour: War Machines of the Adeptus Mechanicus book that covers all/most of their currently 30k only units, plus GW's stuff (whatever that turns out to be) and the Titans and Knights etc with an army list that combines all those elements together for use in 40k. Now that's a book that would be insanely cool.

[Mr Mystery]

And here's me sitting on £50 of unallocated GW e-vouchers.....

Is you think wot I r thinking?

[Denzark]

And here's me sitting on £50 of unallocated GW e-vouchers.....

Is you think wot I r thinking?

I hope so, I'll PM you my postal address...

[Mr Mystery]

You know we can't send Gophers through the post.

Royal Mail freak out man.

[Denzark]

I thought that was how Gordon T Gopher used to get around ( when he didn't have a hand up his bottom that is)

[Mr Mystery]

Nah.

He lived in Schofields bumcrack.

[Denzark]

How do you think he gets on with La Willabooby down there?

[Mr Mystery]

Apparently, not terribly well.

They've set up a partition and aren't talking.

[Erik Setzer]

The following URL suffixes on the GW webstore (for UK) resolve to blank pages instead of taking you to the default 404 page. This is the same behavior that was seen before the Harlequin product pages went live. These correlate strongly with the previous list of rumors Ad-Mech products.

Wow. They sure got those down fast...

[Clockwork]

Wow. They sure got those down fast...

I think they have been setting the pages up in advance for a while now for new stuff, we've just figured out how to find some of them now, so they're putting them offline when we find them.

[DrBored]

I think they have been setting the pages up in advance for a while now for new stuff, we've just figured out how to find some of them now, so they're putting them offline when we find them.

GW's IT team is probably getting flakk for this. I feel sorry for the guys. They put up some test pages, a bunch of jerks on forums find the test pages, suddenly their boss gets wind of leaks on the rumormill. Someone's probably like "but boss, our webpage system doesn't allow us to live-test without actually publishing something on the live site!" poor guy.

[Lexington]

If their ~$6 million website doesn't have staging/production capabilities, they wasted more money than was already evident. :p

[DrBored]

If their ~$6 million website doesn't have staging/production capabilities, they wasted more money than was already evident. :p

Having worked in IT on web development for a couple of companies, I can tell you that this is honestly no surprise whatsoever.

[angkor what?]

If there is a codex:skitaari/mechanicus, and they don't have an option for dark mechanicus or as battle brothers for chaos, will that mean a dark mechanicus separate codex? I see that as unlikely. A codex skitaari though leaves it open for a future dark mechanicus/cult mechanicus codex, again unlikely but maybe more workable.
Just thinking back to the decision not too make knights battle brothers with chaos out seemed to some that was a slight or oversight. But to me and others I thought that was left as an opening for a chaos knight codex.

What are people's preferences for how mars and knights are covered?

[Clockwork]

Back page teaser from this week's WD plus a translation:
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[Cap'nSmurfs]

Exciting!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Well that might as well be a confirmation :D Excited about this, Mechanicum are a lot of peoples #1 "most wanted army in 40k" lists.

[40kGamer]

Yippee!

[Mr Mystery]

Say goodbye to my Cashmonies?...

[40kGamer]

Say goodbye to my Cashmonies?...

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[Kirsten]

I think GW need to set up a standing order system so that you can just direct part of your wages straight to them. like when I set up an account for Gas, and you pay £70 a month, during the summer you build up a surplus to cover the winter. GW should do that, you build up a surplus for months when there is nothing that interests you, then you can blow it all on new stuff that does...

[Mr Mystery]

I kind of do.....I buy e-vouchers every month, meaning no release need be missed.

[Kirsten]

good idea

[Deadlift]

I think GW need to set up a standing order system so that you can just direct part of your wages straight to them. like when I set up an account for Gas, and you pay £70 a month, during the summer you build up a surplus to cover the winter. GW should do that, you build up a surplus for months when there is nothing that interests you, then you can blow it all on new stuff that does...

This is funny. :D

[Lurker]

E-vouchers, what a fantastic idea.
So I go to the online store and enter e vouchers into the product search-
it comes as back with "Nope. haven't a clue what you mean." (I'm paraphrasing a little).
so I'm like - "NOOOOOOO!!! oh wait, virtual gift vouchers. same same."
under the order part How much would you like to send? 10 - 1,500.
immediately, Janis Joplin's Mercedes Benz came to mind-

"oh lord won't you buy me a Reaver Titan.
All my friends they drive Riptides,
I must make amends.
Oh lord, won't you buy me a Reaver Titan".

:D

[Mr Mystery]

Though this does mean I'll be giving Khorne Daemonkin a miss.

Oh, and I've just clapped eyes of Wave 2 of Star Wars Armada.

What a time for work to cancel Saturday overtime!

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, that's kind of the problem with uber-secrecy, it'll still hurt the plan to set aside money. What if someone likes Khorne and AdMech? They see the Khorne book and think, "Oo, I want to get this!" And then they use their vouchers on that. Then the next week it's AdMech, and they have no vouchers...

Luckily I'm too poor to start a new army. Though I do have a lot of Berserkers and Khorne Daemons, so that Khorne Daemonkin book is tempting. And I *would* like to do AdMech down the line, so it'd help having the book.

And this is why I don't ever have money. :-P

[Kirsten]

admech are one of those forces I would love to see, but am not interested myself, much like harlequins.

[Mr Mystery]

Run out of vouchers, buy more vouchers.

Easy.

[deinol]

It turns out they will still sell you everything in the future. You don't have to buy everything on release.

I know I'll still be buying harlequins for several months.

[Mr Mystery]

You underestimate my inner Magpie...

[Erik Setzer]

It turns out they will still sell you everything in the future. You don't have to buy everything on release.

Yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhh.... That's not how being a gamer works.

[40kGamer]

I'm far to fickle to commit to a voucher system. The hobby wind may change in the interim! :p

[Kirsten]

much better to make a big order, it is so exciting when the box arrives and it is full of goodies. don't spread them out on the floor and roll around though, those plastic sprues are pretty sharp.

[40kGamer]

The rolling around part does sounds dangerous... could be fun though.

[Clockwork]

It turns out they will still sell you everything in the future. You don't have to buy everything on release.

But...but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

Or something like that.

[40kGamer]

Freddie and the gang say it best... :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pm4fQRl72k

[Lurker]

Freddie and the gang say it best... :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pm4fQRl72k

I also want someone to paint it all!

Ok, only some of it...

Mostly just the fiddly bits.

and of course the TIME to paint it all!

[Subs]

It really is a confirmation, it translates as "All Hail Mars!"

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[40kGamer]

This faction has been a loooooong time coming. Hopefully it's flavored with tech weirdness and experimental stuff.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm braced for cool looking kits!

Big fan of the Forgeworld take - baroque Art Deco really works! It's as if Charles Rennie Mackintosh only had metal to work with.

[40kGamer]

I also want someone to paint it all!

Ok, only some of it...

Mostly just the fiddly bits.

and of course the TIME to paint it all!

Time is the eternal enemy of hobby goodness! :D

- - - Updated - - -


I'm braced for cool looking kits!

Big fan of the Forgeworld take - baroque Art Deco really works! It's as if Charles Rennie Mackintosh only had metal to work with.

GW kit quality has increased to the point of insanity! I can't wait to see what they offer for this!

[Mr Mystery]

never mind.

Gif didn't load properly!

[Bigred]

via one of Gary's birds (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/ARgQQxlWVzA/admech-sightings-start-now.html) 3-23-2015


I've seen images from White Dwarf, one showing a 4 legged walker painted in red, with a admech soldier on top with a heavy stubber. There was a second image of an admech robbed infantry holding a rifle, but was rather small and blurry. Both images were shown on an internet chat group. Sorry I dont have more right now.

[Mr Mystery]

GIMME PICS, OR THE PC GETS IT.

There, that should get their attention.

[Kirsten]

your wish is my command from The Mexican Ork on Facebook

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/mech_zpsui0wfxdm.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/mech_zpsui0wfxdm.jpg.html)

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/63953_940418055991779_4062166194708143783_n_zpswxu 4mlii.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/63953_940418055991779_4062166194708143783_n_zpswxu 4mlii.jpg.html)

[musical-fool]

Holy mechanicum moley!

[Mr Mystery]

Hmm....might just have found me something to spend my non-ill-gotten-but-completely-legitimately-and-well-deserved-gains upon....

Hmmmmmmmmm.

[Kirsten]

yup, I will be getting one of those tanks

[Path Walker]

Like the look of the infantry, not sold on the tank yet, we'll have to see

[Mr Mystery]

Looks like the offspring of a Sentinel and a Triarch Stalker.

Not that the Mechanicum would ever muck about with Xenos tech.....oh no.

[Psychosplodge]

It looks more like the insane creation of some madmek. You sure the mechanicus isn't employing orks?

[Mr Mystery]

First Orky konvershun in 3....2......1......

[PaD]

First Orky konvershun in 3....2......1......
I thought it was an Ork conversion!

[Ankhalagon]

That weird orktank is just too ugly.
That infantry guy looks fine.

[Dlatrex]

Maybe Martian-Rust is why Orks feel the red ones go faster? =)

I can see familiar design elements in line with the Imperial Knight. Going to be cautiously optimistic.

[Path Walker]

I'm not sold on the tank but I'm willing to be, its a small low res picture, might be one of theose models you have to see in real life for it to work

[Mr Mystery]

I think it's the paintjob....not enough metal for a Mechanicum one.

- - - Updated - - -

Teaser video is up (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=4876084)


Enemy sighted, reinforcements inbound. Return: 27th March for further information.Praise the Omnissiah!

[Defenestratus]

Sure this isn't a splash Ork release?

That thing ain't doin it for me.

[tcraigen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDxC-JD5Ko
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Enemy sighted, reinforcements inbound. Return: 27th March for further information.Praise the Omnissiah!

[Kirsten]

It doesn't look remotely orky, it shares none of their design features

[Defenestratus]

It doesn't look remotely orky, it shares none of their design features

Boxy with guns bolted on and gratuitous exposed mechanical bits with almost "going out of the way" asymmetry.

Seriously, throw a gork or mork brass etching on the front of that thing and it could fit right in next to a gorkanaught.

[Erik Setzer]

It looks more like the insane creation of some madmek. You sure the mechanicus isn't employing orks?

I am going to loot that stuff SO HARD.

[Psychosplodge]

It doesn't look remotely orky, it shares none of their design features

Seriously?

I just thought it was missing the glyph off the front at first glance.

[Grenndal]

Heck if I used Dread I would get one of these kits for the legs and use the turret for a looted wagon or the killcanon turrnet for a battle wagon. At first I thought it was the battlewagon turret on a defiler body before I notice the similarity to a sentinel.

[Erik Setzer]

Seriously?

I just thought it was missing the glyph off the front at first glance.

Only other thing missing is a klaw/saw. But not all Ork walkers have those.

It does seem like something you'd get from Orks taking bits of Imperial light walkers and Chaos spider-walkers and mashing them together.

[Path Walker]

It looks like something a Blood Pact army would need though, now that I'm thinking about it.

[Kirsten]

Dear oh dear, no no no. You could obviously loot or convert it nicely, but it is not orky. If it were a plastic ork kit:
The feet would be different, the leg joints would be different, it would not have leg armour. The upper body would be a different shape, the armour panels would be different. There would be far more rivets, and the exhaust stacks would be visible above and behind it. This is very clearly imperial.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I don't like legs on anything Mechanicum, but it would be easy enough to not use them and make trailing cables instead. Will wait for better pics too I think. From those 2 images, I don't see enough of the Blanche weirdness I was hoping for though yet.

It's cool they are releasing TWO full plastic kits though (normally its just one, or one and a clampack), I guess this release will be bigger than Harlequins.

[Mr Mystery]

Different pics, and hopefully a different paint job.

That cream just doesn't work for my eyes!

[Erik Setzer]

Dear oh dear, no no no. You could obviously loot or convert it nicely, but it is not orky. If it were a plastic ork kit:
The feet would be different, the leg joints would be different, it would not have leg armour. The upper body would be a different shape, the armour panels would be different. There would be far more rivets, and the exhaust stacks would be visible above and behind it. This is very clearly imperial.

I'd have to check at home, but the leg joints on the Orkanaut are similar to that, and the Orkanauts do have armour on the legs (can't let the locomotion get blown up that easy!). No need for rivets everywhere to be Orky, that's one of the design ideas people overdo. As for the shape of the top, well, who's to say it wasn't something the Orks made with looted Imperial parts?

Of course, GW wouldn't make any kind of Ork looted kit...

Hey, I've looted Falcons and Hammerheads. Looting a Sentinel's main body, tossing a big gun and a small gun on it, and throwing it on some spare spider legs that are just sitting around? That's just a Tuesday to an Ork. We loot Tyranids. You really think we wouldn't take random Imperial vehicle bits and weld them together for lulz?

[Kirsten]

no, the gorkanaut's legs are totally different, all the ork walkers are. the gorkanaut has knee armour, but not leg armour like this tank does. there is a need for rivets everywhere. you might not make ork vehicles that way, but GW does. as for looting, GW do not make looted imperial vehicles for orks, players do that. they would not release an ork vehicle that was a looted imperial one, the ork vehicles have their own style.

I am not saying you can't loot this tank, I am saying this plastic kit is very clearly not an Ork one, it is strictly imperial.

[Path Walker]

It really isn't very Orky in design, the legs are all indentical, more slender and rounded than the Ork style. Its not an Orky vehicle. As for leg armour, Ork's don't have much more than an armour plate (with spikey bits) crudely bolted on to the legs on any of their current walker designs.

Thats not to say an Mek might not tinker with it to make it nice and Orky, but as it is, its very much its own thing with clear cues from Imperial vehicles.

Saying you could make a cool Looted Wagon from this is not the same as saying its Orky.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

These look cool, and I'm interested to see more, but I think I might be one of the only serious 40k fans in existence who doesn't really give a damn about the Adeptus Mechanicus.

[Erik Setzer]

You're trying to destroy my Orky hopes and dreams...

I know it's not an Ork kit. It "could" be. It's close enough. It makes less sense and looks whackier than anything done for Imperials so far, which makes it more Orky than slapping unnecessary rivets on would do. Of course, the AdMech seems to go for a similar aesthetic: "We did it because we could, not because it makes any functional sense!"

But yeah, all I have to do is put glyphs on it, paint it right, and people will know it's for my Orks. If/when I loot one, I'll do more than that, obviously, especially if I loot it for Deathskullz.

[Thaldin]

Nah Smurfs... You aren't the only one. I think the Admech stuff is cool, but have zero interest in playing it or buying it.

[Bigred]

MECHANICUS MINIS!

Warseer's Jaqtarr (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7409509&viewfull=1#post7409509): 3-23-2015


Mechanicus image stitched together from GW video:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDxC-JD5Ko

via warseer's Felwether (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7409546&viewfull=1#post7409546) 3-23-2015
Hey folks, up for pre-order this week are:


Admech Skitarii - 10 minis can be built as Rangers or Vanguard. £23.50/€31

Admech Ironstrider £29.50/€38

[Kirsten]

Nah Smurfs... You aren't the only one. I think the Admech stuff is cool, but have zero interest in playing it or buying it.

they don't interest me as a faction, but I will pick up at least one of those tanks for conversion purposes, and I will be interested to see if they do any plastic robots I can add to my Iron Hands force.

[DrBored]

they don't interest me as a faction, but I will pick up at least one of those tanks for conversion purposes, and I will be interested to see if they do any plastic robots I can add to my Iron Hands force.

This is what I'm keeping my eyes on. I'm hoping that some of the models will have rules for repairing vehicles and such, so that adding an ally force becomes logical.

[Mr Mystery]

2 x Infantry, 1 x Walker to be going on with!

No, balls to it. Two of both!

[Mr Mystery]

MOAR!

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours/page29

Ironstrider has a hardwired Gimp!

Pics shamelessly stolen from Lord Shadowheart from Warseer.

[Path Walker]

Those walkers are pure Blanche and i ****ing love them, especially the Draagon, I want at least three of them. I'm totally on board with this army now.

[Mr Mystery]

Gonna stick with two of each kit for the moment.

[Kirsten]

ooh, liking those long rifles

[Kim Sandberg]

Those walkers are pure Blanche and i ****ing love them, especially the Draagon, I want at least three of them. I'm totally on board with this army now.

That EXACTLY how i feel! this will be my new army!

[Kirsten]

Sydonian Dragoon, now I have Knights of Cydonia stuck in my head

[DrBored]

Man I'm excited now. Looking closer at the walkers, not too pleased with the extra 'rider' underneath, but it doesn't look too hard to convert with some plasticard covering up that detail. And it's mechanicus, so of course.

Still super stoked. Will definitely get at least one of each for an ally force!

[Mr Mystery]

No way buttmunch! Cybergimp Rules!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

None of that really does it for me, find it rather boring. I much prefer Forge World's Scyllax and Magos models. Hopefully they'll give them options like that too later down the line.These totally lack the blanche medieval weirdness they always had in the art that made it appealing for me, but it seems I'm in the minority so moer power to the rest of ya I guess.

[energongoodie]

Well played GW... well played.

I love them.

[Popsical]

Love em. Robot chickens for the win!

[40kGamer]

Any word on a limited edition codex? I'm eager to see what oddities they may throw into it.

[Psychosplodge]

Those walkers are pure Blanche and i ****ing love them, especially the Draagon, I want at least three of them. I'm totally on board with this army now.

They do look beautifully steampunk esque. A lovely red and brass scheme would set them off nicely...

[Mr Mystery]

Distinct echoes of the old Knight Lancers....

[Kirsten]

looks a lot like the original sentinel

[Brakkart]

Rules for the new units, all credit for the pics to aracersss off Faeit 212:

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And rules for the weapons too:

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[Cap'nSmurfs]

These are all beautiful miniatures. Amazing. Some of their finest work, personally.

Rules look interesting too, I love the irradiated Vanguard, ha.

I still don't want any. :P

[Kirsten]

I am really hoping they do big weapon skitarii, like ogryn sized stuff with tracks, heavy weapons and so on. that would be an awesome boxed set.

[Defenestratus]

Wonder if the "Doctrina Imperative" is the Mechanicus "instinctive behavior"

[Erik Setzer]

They have haywire, stuff to cause multiple wounds, all kinds of cover denial, speedy walkers, decent armor, FNP on Skitarii, 5+ cover on the lance walkers, Ld boosters... So much stuff to do so many tricks. AdMech is going to be a nasty army in the hands of people who can figure out how to mix those tricks.

[Lexington]

Took me a bit, but the wacky vibe of these things is really growing on me. There's a real frontiersman feel to it, like they're exploring rather than just hermiting up like the Mechanicus is often wont to do. Very fun.

[Kirsten]

I think they would look awesome alongside Solar Auxilia

[DrBored]

They have haywire, stuff to cause multiple wounds, all kinds of cover denial, speedy walkers, decent armor, FNP on Skitarii, 5+ cover on the lance walkers, Ld boosters... So much stuff to do so many tricks. AdMech is going to be a nasty army in the hands of people who can figure out how to mix those tricks.

And this is only week 1.

The thing that's putting me off a bit is the Plasma Culiver is 30 huevos, and with more chances to roll Gets Hot and a lower armor save, even with 6+ FNP, your 30 huevo doodfaces are going to die more often to their own guns exploding. Ideally, you'll get a good couple of shots off before that happens, but it does seem pricey.

Also, the rad rule for the Vanguard is pretty tricky. It's -1 Toughness to everyone involved except the Vanguard unit, which means if you assault one unit with some allies as well, those allies get -1 toughness too. A double-edged sword if I ever saw one.

However, the nice thing is the Cognatus rule on the Autocannon and Lascannon on the walkers. Hitting on 5+ when snap-firing, twin-linked, is pretty decent anti-air, especially if you have three, four, or five in the squad. Enemies aren't going to be able to down that many light vehicles very quickly from range, and since they don't have skyfire only, they can use their full BS on ground targets without issue. I only wish that those guys got the 5+ cover save as well, but I suppose it's good that they get the +3 inch move to stay mobile and get to good firing lanes. Some intervening Vanguard will help give them a cover save I suppose.

[MitchH311]

I'm imagining 10 Vanguard w/ 4 Arc Rifles, Enhanced data-tether (I am forseeing a mindlock that also has an upside if passed), Omnispex. In a drop pod. 175 pesos + pod, but (praise the omnissiah) the dakka! 8 Haywire/S6 shots, 18 rad poisoning shots.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yeah, this is a -big- release for a "weekly" release. 2 proper kits / 4 units. Might explain why the past few weeks didn't really have much in terms of kits.

Hopefully they are saving the more medieval blanche weirdness for later stuff. I don't mind going unbound since I don't play anyway.

[DrBored]

Yeah, this is a -big- release for a "weekly" release. 2 proper kits / 4 units. Might explain why the past few weeks didn't really have much in terms of kits.

Hopefully they are saving the more medieval blanche weirdness for later stuff. I don't mind going unbound since I don't play anyway.

You don't play anyway.. so you just collect? That's cool too, and if I was just a collector, I wouldn't care at all about the game or rules, but just going with what looks cool on the shelf.

Anyway, yeah. This is only week 1 guys. All the Admech stuff was rumored to be a FULL Codex, bigger than Harlequins, and the rumor is that there are TWO books involved, Skitarii and one other (Cult Mechanicus I believe).

There is a LOT more stuff to come out. If this was all there was, we'd see the Codex in the release as well, but this is just the first two units!

I can't wait to see the rest over the coming month!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

You don't play anyway.. so you just collect? That's cool too, and if I was just a collector, I wouldn't care at all about the game or rules, but just going with what looks cool on the shelf.

Anyway, yeah. This is only week 1 guys. All the Admech stuff was rumored to be a FULL Codex, bigger than Harlequins, and the rumor is that there are TWO books involved, Skitarii and one other (Cult Mechanicus I believe).

There is a LOT more stuff to come out. If this was all there was, we'd see the Codex in the release as well, but this is just the first two units!

I can't wait to see the rest over the coming month!

My memory is seriously awful so I can't memorise all of those statistics and rules sadly. I find painting/converting and such highly therapeutic and relaxing though - I also find it helps to build confidence.

Yep, I fully expect at least another 3 weeks of Mechanicum, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was 5 or so. Not sure they will have more than one plastic kit for following weeks, but even if they don't - if they are all duel-kits and clampacks that would make roughly 12 units as a guess. I definitely believe it will be a "Full army" release as opposed to the smaller harlequin and tempestus releases.

[interrogator_chaplain]

Feeling mighty glad that I started a Mechanicum army for 30k, I hope I can find a way to translate the models across ranges.

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, this is a -big- release for a "weekly" release. 2 proper kits / 4 units. Might explain why the past few weeks didn't really have much in terms of kits.

You mean aside from a Bloodthirster that could make three variants (for both WFB and 40K), a two-unit Khorne unit for WFB, and a Khorne character? If you don't play Khorne, I guess that's not much, but it certainly wasn't nothing. Harlequins weren't that far back either, with an infantry kit, a jetbike squad kit, a two-variant big jetbike kit, and three characters.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

You mean aside from a Bloodthirster that could make three variants (for both WFB and 40K), a two-unit Khorne unit for WFB, and a Khorne character? If you don't play Khorne, I guess that's not much, but it certainly wasn't nothing. Harlequins weren't that far back either, with an infantry kit, a jetbike squad kit, a two-variant big jetbike kit, and three characters.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, and that might be my fault for not being clear. I was talking about how many plastic kits are normally released within one single specific week.. Most of the weekly releases focus on a single plastic kit, perhaps with a clampack character added at most. I think the last time they released two "main" plastic kits in one single week was Tempestus which had both the Scions and Taurox kits both in one week. The khorne release was one kit per week, the Harlequins had one kit and sometimes one clampack per week. This friday's release looks like it has the duel infantry kit, the duel biped walker - and perhaps that four legged one too, all that in possibly -one- week.

[Clockwork]

Took me a bit, but the wacky vibe of these things is really growing on me. There's a real frontiersman feel to it, like they're exploring rather than just hermiting up like the Mechanicus is often wont to do. Very fun.

You do remember they have "Explorator Fleets" that go exploring right?

[Arkhan Land]

Glad I waited on harlys this is kind of far more up my alley, ill get back to the clowns this fall

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[Psychosplodge]

You can't say stuff like that on here Mystery! :eek:

[Mr Mystery]

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[Psychosplodge]

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[Mr Mystery]

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[Popsical]

That's easy for you to say!

[Psychosplodge]

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They mean nothing (http://binary.online-toolz.com/tools/text-binary-convertor.php)



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[Mr Mystery]

But I translated it with a Binary Translator.....

Omnissiah be praised!

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah I've just found the one I did with that translator didn't translate back *shrugs*

[Mr Mystery]

Is it Friday yet?

I've currently got £391 unspoken for.....well. Until the dreaded MOT that is...

[Gotthammer]

I used this one (http://binarytranslator.com/)

[Psychosplodge]

:eek:

but who was it?

[Gotthammer]

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[Horncastle]

Sydonian Dragoon, now I have Knights of Cydonia stuck in my head

Wish there was a like button.

[Kirsten]

Wish there was a like button.

come ride with me, through the veins of history...

[Venomlust]

come ride with me, through the veins of history...

Khorne will waste you all and smile at your flayed skulls.

That's the next line, right?

[Popsical]

Cluck, cluck, gibber, gibber, my old mans a mushroom etc!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Some suitable mechanicum music :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UwaGqYXFZ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA11lxziZhs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Ah_QiLDMY

[DWest]

I believe I've spotted the first rules conundrum already: the Radium Jezzail is a Sniper weapon with the 'Rad Poisoning' rules which states: "A To-Wound roll of 6 with this weapon inflicts 2 Wounds on the target unit, regardless of Toughness. These Wounds are allocated and saved against separately." Sniper also confers Rending, which causes a To-Wound roll of 6 to be resolved at AP 2. So, does this mean both Wounds are AP 2, or only 1?

[DrBored]

I believe I've spotted the first rules conundrum already: the Radium Jezzail is a Sniper weapon with the 'Rad Poisoning' rules which states: "A To-Wound roll of 6 with this weapon inflicts 2 Wounds on the target unit, regardless of Toughness. These Wounds are allocated and saved against separately." Sniper also confers Rending, which causes a To-Wound roll of 6 to be resolved at AP 2. So, does this mean both Wounds are AP 2, or only 1?

Oh man, that's a good question. I'd assume at least 1 wound is resolved at AP 2 because the Sniper rule isn't invalidated by the Rad Poisoning rule... but the other wound? That's up in the air.

But take a look at it: "a to-wound roll of 6 with this weapon" implying that it uses whatever extra rules the weapon would normally have. I'd say that both wounds are AP2.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

The butchering of Muse lyrics in this thread makes me cry.

[Clockwork]

I believe I've spotted the first rules conundrum already: the Radium Jezzail is a Sniper weapon with the 'Rad Poisoning' rules which states: "A To-Wound roll of 6 with this weapon inflicts 2 Wounds on the target unit, regardless of Toughness. These Wounds are allocated and saved against separately." Sniper also confers Rending, which causes a To-Wound roll of 6 to be resolved at AP 2. So, does this mean both Wounds are AP 2, or only 1?
Sounds like both to me. At least until GW says otherwise.

[Mr Mystery]

Oh man, that's a good question. I'd assume at least 1 wound is resolved at AP 2 because the Sniper rule isn't invalidated by the Rad Poisoning rule... but the other wound? That's up in the air.

But take a look at it: "a to-wound roll of 6 with this weapon" implying that it uses whatever extra rules the weapon would normally have. I'd say that both wounds are AP2.

Just the first I'd say. Precedent from Warhammer is the Tomb Scorpion. Has both Poisoned Attacks (6 to hit auto-wounds) and Killing Blow (6 to wound kills outright with no armour or regeneration save allowed). As Poisoned Hits don't roll to wound, no chance of Killing Blow.

So here, 6 to wound bags you another wound on the unit, but as that second wound is automatic, it cannot benefit from Rending.

[DrBored]

Just the first I'd say. Precedent from Warhammer is the Tomb Scorpion. Has both Poisoned Attacks (6 to hit auto-wounds) and Killing Blow (6 to wound kills outright with no armour or regeneration save allowed). As Poisoned Hits don't roll to wound, no chance of Killing Blow.

So here, 6 to wound bags you another wound on the unit, but as that second wound is automatic, it cannot benefit from Rending.

Well, your example works because they're part of two different rolls. Because a 6 to-hit auto-wounds, it doesn't get the chance to get Killing Blow because there's no roll to wound.

However, with the Rad-Poisoning + Sniper, both are resolved in the To-Wound roll. Obviously, both effects go off, getting the extra wound and getting the rending, the question is whether the rending applies to both or only applies to one.

It certainly needs clarification, but it makes sense that it would apply to both.

[Darren Richardson]

Well, your example works because they're part of two different rolls. Because a 6 to-hit auto-wounds, it doesn't get the chance to get Killing Blow because there's no roll to wound.

However, with the Rad-Poisoning + Sniper, both are resolved in the To-Wound roll. Obviously, both effects go off, getting the extra wound and getting the rending, the question is whether the rending applies to both or only applies to one.

It certainly needs clarification, but it makes sense that it would apply to both.

that would make sense, in MtG and D20 sense they are stackable abilities.

Sigh, another army I have to resist buying, they do look cool, but I'd want my Skitari to kinda look like the Borg with robes instead of jumpsuits LOL

[Mr Mystery]

Is it Friday yet?

[DrBored]

Is it Friday yet?

It needs to be a week from Friday, so I can actually have the things in my hands o.o

[Psychosplodge]

So it's you leaving red dusty footprints everywhere?

[DrBored]

I have a feeling it's no coincidence that there's an Imperial Knight in the background of one of those pics...

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm... The suggestion the Walkers were close to a Knight in height seem to have been off. Not that it's a surprise, of course. They're still a decent size, but I definitely can't afford $250 a squadron (at ~250 points, too) right now. But there'll probably be more vehicles that I could work into my budget easier, so I'll wait and see. (Daemonkin are getting my attention right now anyway, and I still need a few Harlequins.)

[Mr Mystery]

Still in for two of each kit.

Got a mate does Iron Hands for Horus Heresy already calling dibs on certain unused bitz!

[DrBored]

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212


+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

via lordbeefy (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7412522&viewfull=1#post7412522) from Warseer


Heard from my local blue shirt...

Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book
Next book is the full adeptus mechanicus codexx
Third book is painting guide

There are two hq models, two heavies one a walker one is a more traditional vehicle design (?)..... the main codex will have significant decurion like formations with some really powerful special rules.

As rumours go its fairly bland or non specific but thought I would pass it on anywY

Sounds like we've got plenty more to look forward to over the next month or so.

[Cutter]

Found these on Mars

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I could see myself picking up a box for my Empire army. And I suppose they'd be there if I ever felt the need to take them for a spin in 40k.

Well done GW.

[Mr Mystery]

Money cannon locked and loaded, primed to fire on or round 7:00 pm......

[Psychosplodge]

Where is plastic HH confirmed? Surely it's a rumour until its on GW's site or theres WD pics of it?

[Erik Setzer]

With the formations full of formations, it's starting to feel even more like Epic 40K at 28mm scale. I don't want every game to be Apocalypse, so those aren't particularly useful for me, and it's a bit concerning that in the wake of Warhammer having issues because people sensed they had to have big armies for it, new codices are pushing people to build large armies with specific combinations of units.

Since the formations are their own deal anyway, I'll skip on the uber-bonus and just go with a CAD/army-specific detachment with one or two formations on the side if they're good enough (and don't have weird mixes of units, like cavalry and Terminators).

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

If Skitarii aren't the main Mechanicum codex hten hopefully the stuff that comes after it will be the weirder more robed blanche/medieval stuff you see in the art..that gives me a bit of hope.

[DrBored]

With the formations full of formations, it's starting to feel even more like Epic 40K at 28mm scale. I don't want every game to be Apocalypse, so those aren't particularly useful for me, and it's a bit concerning that in the wake of Warhammer having issues because people sensed they had to have big armies for it, new codices are pushing people to build large armies with specific combinations of units.

Since the formations are their own deal anyway, I'll skip on the uber-bonus and just go with a CAD/army-specific detachment with one or two formations on the side if they're good enough (and don't have weird mixes of units, like cavalry and Terminators).

Just play smaller games. I know plenty of people that have plenty of fun with games around 1250 or 1500 points.

[Erik Setzer]

Just play smaller games. I know plenty of people that have plenty of fun with games around 1250 or 1500 points.

You could do the same with WFB, but it didn't help combat the idea that it was made for larger (more expensive) battles.

1500 is usually the max I end up playing, unless it's a slow day, because that's the "soft cap" at the GW store, making games go quicker so more people can play. At that points level, I can maybe use one or two of the formations, but trying to work in the uber-formation won't work so well.

[DrBored]

You could do the same with WFB, but it didn't help combat the idea that it was made for larger (more expensive) battles.

1500 is usually the max I end up playing, unless it's a slow day, because that's the "soft cap" at the GW store, making games go quicker so more people can play. At that points level, I can maybe use one or two of the formations, but trying to work in the uber-formation won't work so well.

I thought that was the idea. You play a smaller game so you can't use the uber-formations so it doesn't feel like Epic.

[Mr Mystery]

5 minutes.....

As for the scale going up, there's a large difference between 40k and Warhammer there. 40k offers a fulfilling game at as low as 500 points, because it's objective based. Warhammer, minimum is probably 1,200ish? That gives you access to most units in your book without allowing big gribblies to dominate, as well as providing the critical part of the game - manoeuvres. Any smaller and fair chunks of various books cannot take the field, and you're unlikely to have units enough to spare for one to be a sacrificial prawn.

[Mr Mystery]

CASH CANNON FIRE!

Shame it was the wrong barrel. Debit instead of Credit Card....

Wee bit shifting munneh and no damage done :)

4 sets of infantry, and 2 walkers to be going on with.

[DrBored]

CASH CANNON FIRE!

Shame it was the wrong barrel. Debit instead of Credit Card....

Wee bit shifting munneh and no damage done :)

4 sets of infantry, and 2 walkers to be going on with.

Nice :D

I'm gunna wait till they show up at my FLGS. Gotta support the stores!

[Mr Mystery]

I am so excite, I might actually proper freak out.

I mean, like, Mechanicum dude....like, wow. Finally.

I just about pre-date 2nd Ed, and I remember so much cool stuff. Skip forward over 20 (yep, count 'em) years, and finally, at long last - it's actually happening.

This akin to Beavis and actually scoring. You alway kinda hope, but always kind know it won't.

But now it is. And I'm stoked!

If I had a Gasmask. I'd be doing a Gasmask Cornholio in celebration!

[Mr Mystery]

Reading WD, and it name checks Legio Cybernetics and the Ordinatus in a 40k setting....

Mayhaps the three book rumour is true, and we'll see a central Mechanicus Codex?

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmm...

Wonder if we'll see a Mechanicus flyer?

Also, 10 Infantry for £23.50 is a welcome change of pricing structure. £2.50 more than Scions, and double the model count. Hmm.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

A mechanicus flyer would be cool - I hope they'd make the pilot integrated and hard-wired into it. Felt they should of done that for necrons, but it would suit mechanicum too. Agreed, on the price - that's not bad at all for GW and with discounts quite affordable.

[Mr Mystery]

Wondering if it's the shape of price to come.

[DrBored]

A flier would indeed be cool. So far the rumors only hint at what's coming in the next week or so, and no word of a flier.. but the timing of the full Admech Codex and what it has are up in the air, so who knows?

[StealthVulture]

A flier would indeed be cool. So far the rumors only hint at what's coming in the next week or so, and no word of a flier.. but the timing of the full Admech Codex and what it has are up in the air, so who knows?

The Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all.

[Sevenout]

hmmm... Looking at the drawing at the opening o the Skitarii video, there are some heavily augmented servitor looking things along the bottom. I wonder if those are Concept art that wasn't used, or a tease of another unit type?

[Erik Setzer]

Also, 10 Infantry for £23.50 is a welcome change of pricing structure. £2.50 more than Scions, and double the model count. Hmm.

Infantry gave me hope. The walkers, though, are turning me off on the army until I see more. I can't justify $250 for five models that will fall to a round of autocannon fire.

[Mr Mystery]

6 models....they can include an additional 5 :p

Guess we'll see as more stuff comes out. But the infantry being well priced certainly helps. When you can max out your Troop Choices on a standard chart for just under £143, it does help to free up cash for the toys.

And the infantry being pretty damned useful of course helps further. Think I'm gonna have 2 squads of each, see how that goes.

Am wondering if we might see an anti-air unit - because those Ballistarius more or less cover it - twin linked at BS2 in a single squadron is a bit of nightmare for many Flyers, which may mean you don't need a dedicated unit for it?

Right, who has the pics from next weeks White Dwarf? Come on. Don't be shy. Sharing is caring. If you hold out on me you'll wake up as a mono-tasked servitor with bog brushes for hands, and spend eternity cleaning out the Ogryn cludgies....

[Erik Setzer]

The infantry are pretty nice. RIDICULOUSLY good. I can see some nasty tricks with them. Of course, the walkers would help with those tricks, but eh, they should be fine. There's still more to come, I'm not going to plot out an army until I see it all, and I don't exactly have the money for it anyway (Harlequins, Archaon book, and Daemonkin saw to that).

Besides, I can always kit-bash something later. AdMech are like Orks, you can just make crazy creations for them.

[Mr Mystery]

True that.

I'm wondering if Forgeworld will do rules for fielding Legio Cybernetics toys as relics, provided of course that they aren't formally covered in the forthcoming codex.

[Psychosplodge]

I am so excite, I might actually proper freak out.

I mean, like, Mechanicum dude....like, wow. Finally.

I just about pre-date 2nd Ed, and I remember so much cool stuff. Skip forward over 20 (yep, count 'em) years, and finally, at long last - it's actually happening.

This akin to Beavis and actually scoring. You alway kinda hope, but always kind know it won't.

But now it is. And I'm stoked!

If I had a Gasmask. I'd be doing a Gasmask Cornholio in celebration!


What do you mean you don't own a gasmask? :eek:

The odds are they'll do a flier, it's the thing to have this edition isn't it?

[HalJordan63]

What do you think? https://www.change.org/p/games-workshop-and-black-library-stop-gav-thorpe-writing-dark-angels-novels?recruiter=87650697&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=des-lg-no_src-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

[Mr Mystery]

And where, pray tell, are this week's leaked images?...

[Psychosplodge]

Still dripping ?

[Cutter]

And where, pray tell, are this week's leaked images?...

Don't they tend to hit on Tuesday?

[Mr Mystery]

Want it now!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

yeah, I'm impatient and curious to see what is next also.

[Mr Mystery]

Front page has news.

Sicarian troop type - Rust Stalkers and..erm....summat else, appears to be a dual kit, £26 for 5. Expectation is Terminator equivalent in size, but no pics. Oh aye, and the Codex, innit.

[DrBored]

Front page has news.

Sicarian troop type - Rust Stalkers and..erm....summat else, appears to be a dual kit, £26 for 5. Expectation is Terminator equivalent in size, but no pics. Oh aye, and the Codex, innit.

Yeah, rumor says Codex and these Sicarians go up for preorders this Friday. That'll be exciting. Codex: Skitarii. Lots of assumptions being made about when Admech will drop fully. Rumors also say Admech is 3 week release, so only one more week, which will probably have the Onager Dunecrawler, and maybe something else.

So we're looking at AT LEAST 4 boxes that make AT LEAST 7 different units, probably 8. Not bad for a mini-dex like Scions.

[Mr Mystery]

Yep.

And we can expect an HQ. WD alluded to an 'Alpha Primus'....

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yeah, rumor says Codex and these Sicarians go up for preorders this Friday. That'll be exciting. Codex: Skitarii. Lots of assumptions being made about when Admech will drop fully. Rumors also say Admech is 3 week release, so only one more week, which will probably have the Onager Dunecrawler, and maybe something else.

So we're looking at AT LEAST 4 boxes that make AT LEAST 7 different units, probably 8. Not bad for a mini-dex like Scions.

This gives me hope that the mainstream mechanicus release will have a more techno-medieval blanche look (FW Scyllax and Magos ect) which would compliment the skitarii's more utilitarian and military style really nice and give them variety.

[Mr Mystery]

Right, Goat sacrificed this morning.

Pictures. Now.

[Cutter]

Right, Goat sacrificed this morning.

Widdershins or turnwise?

[Mr Mystery]

I split the winnings.

[Houghten]

Well, that's no good, you've cancelled yourself out.

[Mr Mystery]

Nuh uh. Not if you're using Pictish rules.

[Brakkart]

Just when you think that discussions on BoLS cannot possibly get weirder, somehow they always manage to do just that! :p

[Psychosplodge]

See this weirdness? Most weirdness only goes upto ten, this site? Well this one? This one goes to eleven, well it's one weirder isn't it?

[Erik Setzer]

Pft. Still nothing compared to the good old days of rec.games.miniatures.warhammer... Of course, that was seriously NOT "family-friendly" in its brand of weirdness.

[Deadlift]

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/9b1aaae15b3e18e8fcdb50b14bbf86df.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/c0a4c30cd659736cb709bd133c4167d5.jpg
Found these on face book, Infiltrators and Ruststalkers

[Kirsten]

wow, robot ninjas

[Patrick Boyle]

Need higher quality photos. I like the look of the 'sergeant' models, but I'm a bit iffy on the normal squad members.

[Mr Mystery]

They're so Blanchian 40k I could pop! Not everyone's taste sure, but very evocative! Defo getting me some of these. I want my Mechanicus to look horrific!

[Erik Setzer]

Such Blanche!

http://chaoticacloaquis.canalblog.com/archives/2015/03/31/31809104.html

[Deadlift]

chaoticacloaquis.canalblog.com pics from here
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[Mr Mystery]

http://i.imgur.com/FYq7M.gif%20

[Patrick Boyle]

Anyone able to translate the 'Salvenpistole', Molecular Dissonance and 'Transsonich' special rules for the new weapons? I'm assuming the second special rule on the flechette-blaster is Rending?

[Deadlift]

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/4ea4cfef0883ed0299a167fa8f984b65.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/a8a5e36e30dfed4ac02a288dd36181fd.jpg

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/ed011944519d3b24556ee8e4204efad3.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/b8ad11161e7a7349fd14327ec3d0c428.jpg
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/6db0a4badbefbafeb9d76db4800eef5f.jpg
Anyone able to translate German ?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yeah, not really into these either - still prefer the scyllax a lot more. I like the heads, torsos and arms (especially the extra arms) but cut off the legs and mount them on snake-like bodies made of cables or give them robotic spider-legs and they'd look a ton better to me. The legs on all these new skitarii models really ruin the models for me. it's definitely a matter of purely personal taste though as on a technical level they are very well done but ill sticking with micro art studio's stuff myself.

[energongoodie]

http://i.imgur.com/FYq7M.gif%20

+1 mystery. I love these.

[Patrick Boyle]

According to natfka, via where he got the info, Transsonich weapons auto-wound at AP2 on a 6, and after the first round of combat are always AP2(while retaining autowound on 6). The Ruststalkers carry these and have assault grenades and furious charge.

The Sicarians are armed with regular power swords and either the flechette-blaster pistols or the assault weapon, and have Stealth and Infiltrate, and a special rule that lowers nearby enemey's WS, BS and Initiative by 1.

[Defenestratus]

Is my German good enough to realize that these things have 2 wounds each?

[Patrick Boyle]

Yeah, the stat-line is easy enough to figure out. It's apparently the same for both units. It doesn't look like they get Feel No Pain like the Skitarii do though.

WS4 BS4 S4 T3 W2 I4 A2 Ld8 4+/6++(4+ is in the profile, their armor in the wargear section seems to be saying anyway that it also grants a 6++)

[Mr Mystery]

Cash Cannon!

RELOAD!

PRIME!

AIM!

[Regnir]

Yeah, the stat-line is easy enough to figure out. It's apparently the same for both units. It doesn't look like they get Feel No Pain like the Skitarii do though.

WS4 BS4 S4 T3 W2 I4 A2 Ld8 4+/6++(4+ is in the profile, their armor in the wargear section seems to be saying anyway that it also grants a 6++)

My German is incredibly rusty, but I'm pretty sure that "Verletzungen Ignorieren" is Feel No Pain, as it literally means "Ignore Injuries"

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My German is incredibly rusty, but I'm pretty sure that "Verletzungen Ignorieren" is Feel No Pain, as it literally means "Ignore Injuries"

Moreover, if you look at the Ruststalker page in zoom, you can see the very leftmost side of the next page, which I would assume is for the infiltrators. The last bullet point starts with the letters "Ve", which is probably "Verletzungen Ignorieren". That makes me about 99% certain that both units have FnP.

[Mr Mystery]

So getting two boxes of these. Defo. 100%......

K, maybe three....

[YorkNecromancer]

Couldn't believe what I was seeing when I first saw the Ruststalkers.

Compare
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To
http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2008/11/30/10373_md-Artwork,%20Copyright%20Games%20Workshop,%20Gothic% 20And%20The%20Eldrich,%20Jes%20Goodwin.jpg

That's an ancient Jes Goodwin concept sketch from his art book 'The Gothic and Eldritch'; this stuff dates back to, like, 1993, and it's finally, actually, for real realsies being released, 22 years later.

Amazing.

[IR0NDRAG0N]

Anybody notice here they fit in the force org.?

[Khornie]

this image-replying-software of BolS sucks. I want my pics in full size.

[DrBored]

Anybody notice here they fit in the force org.?

We need a full image of their individual rules pages to see what symbol it is.
We know the Rangers and Vanguard are Troops
The Dragoons are Fast Attack
and the Balistarius is Heavy Support.

I'll bet that both of these are Elites, though maybe one is Fast Attack. We'll see. Can't wait to see more of them and get the rules in English. Apparently the Doctrina Imperatives are like army-wide orders or something, and you, the Techpriest commanding the Maniple, get to decide on which to use :D

[Bigred]

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[YorkNecromancer]

Transonic swords?

Oh my glob...

http://37.media.tumblr.com/f28e19710e0a6f0d813177d8af71d486/tumblr_mujikc1pKM1s8udf8o1_500.gif