Codex Harlequins Rumor Roundup!

[Mr Mystery]

Maybe it's just me, but I think I'm seeing two distinct Jetbike types there.......

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't think EG can moan at a lack of Eldar attention now. xD

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Maybe it's just me, but I think I'm seeing two distinct Jetbike types there.......

Nope, not just you - it looks like 2 different types to me too.

Sadly, it doesn't look like the jetbikes have the evil faces on them like the old ones, but I think I'm still going to like these anyway.

[Erik Setzer]

Looks like a new Death Jester as well as the jetbikes.

Pretty sure that's the current DJ model. The rotating wallpaper at the local GW store showed the new Harlies, new Solitaire, and then another page with the DJ and Shadowseer.

And if you look here, that just about nails it:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Harlequin-Death-Jester

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And Harlies represent what 40k does best - taking something essentially completely ridiculous (in this case, prancing space clowns), and actually make it incredibly cool.

Although they gave up Squats because they couldn't figure out how to make them cool and not silly. Hm. (I still hold hope for them coming back some day, even if it's with a different name.)

[Deadlift]

I don't think EG can moan at a lack of Eldar attention now. xD

Don't worry, I'm sure she will find something to moan about :p.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

You maybe right, I see what you mean abou the 360 one, might be whats making it look different - guess we'll know soon enough either way. Fingers crossed it's a new one though!

[40kGamer]

Pretty sure that's the current DJ model. The rotating wallpaper at the local GW store showed the new Harlies, new Solitaire, and then another page with the DJ and Shadowseer.

It looks like the Jester in the blurry, get sick looking at it, pic is holding the cannon at a much steeper angle so maybe we will get a new one. Plus isn't finecast finally dead? May it never come back...

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Don't worry, I'm sure she will find something to moan about :p.

Is there's one thing that is a given in life, it's that there is always something to moan about. :p

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You maybe right, I see what you mean abou the 360 one, might be whats making it look different - guess we'll know soon enough either way. Fingers crossed it's a new one though!

Hoping for a new one too. Although the current one is actually a great looking model and would be fine if it wasn't finecast.

[eldargal]

Is there's one thing that is a given in life, it's that there is always something to moan about. :p

Especially with how GW and FW handle certain things.

[Erik Setzer]

It looks like the Jester in the blurry, get sick looking at it, pic is holding the cannon at a much steeper angle so maybe we will get a new one. Plus isn't finecast finally dead? May it never come back...

I think it's sad that they released a lot of nice Hobbit character models in Finecast rather than plastic, and no one wanted to touch that material paying $45 for a character on horse and on foot, and they're already recalling pretty much all of the Finecast models from their stores to send back to the warehouse. If they'd been plastic, I might have eaten that price for one of them (probably not, as I can get a unit for that price).



Is there's one thing that is a given in life, it's that there is always something to moan about. :p

You talking about "moaning" as if it's a bad thing...

[40kGamer]

Especially with how GW and FW handle certain things.

So true. Some of their decisions are hard to fathom!

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You talking about "moaning" as if it's a bad thing...

Not a chance! Moaning could be an Olympic level event!

[Mr Mystery]

http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_10428/gallery_79873_10428_300616.png

Image lifted from Bolter and Chainsword...


Definitely two designs there. Background one is smaller than the middleground, right handside. Noticably so.


Looks like the diddy ones might work like Chariots after all.

[wayne williams]

definatly a new death jester thatl do me yay.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That is definitely a new DJ, compare the angle that the head is looking at compared to the angle of the gun in both that image and the GW website image, it's different.

[Defenestratus]

Yup. With luck it might even spark some ideas at Forge World.

Yeah! Kind of like that AWESOME Wraithknight kit they put out!!!!

/sarc

[40kGamer]

http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_10428/gallery_79873_10428_300616.png

Image lifted from Bolter and Chainsword...


Definitely two designs there. Background one is smaller than the middleground, right handside. Noticably so.


Looks like the diddy ones might work like Chariots after all.

The closer one looks a lot like a Venom...

[Defenestratus]

The closer one looks a lot like a Venom...

Sadly I think these things are just going to be rebranded/kitbashed venoms with a harlequin-specific sprue for specific part replacement.

[Bigred]

via gary's (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/IuBh8LuWiUk/harlie-bikes-in-packs-of-2-and-codex.html) bird 2-2-2015


source#1
I can confirm Harlequin jetbikes are coming in the next white dwarf

The bikes come in packs of 2, and are described as being well armored, really fast, and they have models on them with multiple weapon load outs. Also the price is the same as the Harlequin Troupe box.

source#2
The codex will be Fridays pre release confirmed by a GW store manager the the other day.

Packs of 2 is a little odd, the Vypers and Jetbikes are both packs of three, although the price is about right if they are larger than the jetbikes, they would be the same price for two instead of 3.


via imgur 2-2-2015

Harlequin vehicles picture
Two different vehicles seen in this pic. closer one is very venom-like, background vehicle is narrower.
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[40kGamer]

Sadly I think these things are just going to be rebranded/kitbashed venoms with a harlequin-specific sprue for specific part replacement.

Sure looks that way... ah well it's nice enough and a new jetbike is icing on the cake.

[Anggul]

Sadly I think these things are just going to be rebranded/kitbashed venoms with a harlequin-specific sprue for specific part replacement.

Fine by me, they had them first.

[40kGamer]

Fine by me, they had them first.

Those old Harlie themed kitbashed/converted Vypers coming to mind?

[Defenestratus]

Fine by me, they had them first.

I wonder if we'll get the laughing face cowl. If nawt... I'll be casting the one copy I have for the kit.

[40kGamer]

I wonder if we'll get the laughing face cowl. If nawt... I'll be casting the one copy I have for the kit.

I hope so! I have several of the old lead ones but they're a little small by modern standards!

[Defenestratus]

I hope so! I have several of the old lead ones but they're a little small by modern standards!

Yeah, I'm probably going to get it 3D scanned, expand its size by about 10-20% digitally and then get it 3D printed in super fine quality as a casting plug.

[40kGamer]

Yeah, I'm probably going to get it 3D scanned, expand its size by about 10-20% digitally and then get it 3D printed in super fine quality as a casting plug.

Interesting option.. Maybe we'll actually get a new plastic one so you don't have to go through the trouble.

[Subs]

Can't believe I've actually been bothered to make an account to post this. . .

. . . so no ones going to mention what looks like a Aether Sail blocking out a third of that picture. (And no, the old DJ did not look like he was about to smack himself in the head with the fore handle of his Cannon.)

Ok, on closer inspection it may just be a graphic for a page fold.

[Jared van Kell]

http://i.imgur.com/VLaLeok.jpg

An interesting mix of Dark Eldar and Craftworld Eldar motifs.

JvK :cool:

[Bigred]

via warseer's barjed (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373859&viewfull=1#post7373859) 2-2-2015


BOOM THERE IT IS!
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[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Oh, those look very nice, I see they do have faces on the canopies too thankfully!

[40kGamer]

Love it! Very nice add on for Harlequins!

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The underslung weapons are pretty heavy!

[Eldar_Atog]

via warseer's barjed (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373859&viewfull=1#post7373859) 2-2-2015

Hell... I might start upgrading my regular jet bike squad with these models :)

[40kGamer]

Looks like it takes some design cues from the old Jes Goodwin Eldar bike.. I really hope the Eldar bikes get updated soon!

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[Defenestratus]

Hell... I might start upgrading my regular jet bike squad with these models :)

I already have some "unsanctioned" jetbike models but these look nice- albeit a bit large - for a normal craftworld bike.


Oh, those look very nice, I see they do have faces on the canopies too thankfully!

Not really. Those pale in comparison to the old canopies.

I'm honestly not that happy with these.

They're a bit too dark eldarish for my tastes.

[Mr Mystery]

Ooooooooh...Heatlance! Or that EMP one. Not 100%.

But the rider on the far left has a boobie, so gender mix appears to continue.

Well psyched for the Codex now. Think of the background!

[Subs]

Haywire Blaster.

[Aldavaer]

I quite like them, to me they look a cross between DE and CWE which is fitting for the Harlequins. It will be interesting to see what the weapons options are for the passengers.

For the bikes is the second a lance weapon?

[deinol]

Looks like it takes some design cues from the old Jes Goodwin Eldar bike.. I really hope the Eldar bikes get updated soon!


Unfortunately I doubt any plastic kits will be replaced until all the finecast has been eliminated. We really need plastic aspect warriors.

[40kGamer]

Unfortunately I doubt any plastic kits will be replaced until all the finecast has been eliminated. We really need plastic aspect warriors.

And we've been waiting on an actual Farseer/Warlock jetbike for ages! :(

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Ooooooooh...Heatlance! Or that EMP one. Not 100%.

But the rider on the far left has a boobie, so gender mix appears to continue.

Well psyched for the Codex now. Think of the background!

I think it's a haywire blaster... definitely a free mix of CWE and DE items which is awesome!

[Cutter]

via warseer's barjed (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373859&viewfull=1#post7373859) 2-2-2015

Skyweavers eh? I wonder how different the Starweavers look...

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Anyone else having difficulty viewing content on GW's website?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/finally-white-dwarf-cover-leak-and.html

Looks like theres no Codex in week 2...

[40kGamer]

Looks like they're sticking with the codex last framework... Whatever works I guess. I just wait until the book drops before I bother to get anything anywho...

[Eldar_Atog]

Not really. Those pale in comparison to the old canopies.

I'm honestly not that happy with these.

They're a bit too dark eldarish for my tastes.

Yeah, I really wish they would re-release the old jet bike canopy. They were such a great conversion piece.

I disagree on the dark eldar look though. They don't have the knife edges and spikes that the Reavers have. The canopy and wings are what I imagine a new craftworld jetbike would look like.

[StraightSilver]

Have a nasty suspicion these will have chariot rules rather than jet bike rules, but guess we'll know Saturday.

[daboarder]

yeah ok, these things are cool, and I'm willing to admit that GW has done more than just phone in this release now.

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http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/finally-white-dwarf-cover-leak-and.html

Looks like theres no Codex in week 2...

sweet, more time to save up some cash

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I need these in my life!

[helline9]

With the Skyweavers; looks like a shurikin cannon and a 'lance' underneath.

could that bolas weapon be the new model for 'web of skulls' ?

[Charon]

The "lance" looks like a DE Haywire Blaster.

[eldargal]

Yay 50/50 gender ratio continued in the vehicle kit too.

I like it a lot, I agree a full face cowl would have been nice, bit disappointed but still happy with th kit.

[Mr Mystery]

DE Jetbikes have three cowl designs (maybe 4? Not built any for years). Could it be a surprise held back for later?

[eldargal]

It's possible. A FW conversion kit would work too, but why do that when you could make your millionth Space Marine variant Mk. Slightly Different Rivet Configuration.

[Mr Mystery]

That Ogryn isn't a Space Maureen :p

Only thing I'm going to miss about these Harlies and the 3rd Ed Necrons?

Solitaire getting bonus attacks equal to the inches of movement not being used in the charge being slapped down by a Necron Lord with Gaze of Flame, stopping any bonus attacks for charging. Happened too many times to my Solitaire. Happy, silly days!

And sorry folks, cannot for the life of me remember what happened to my Harlequins in the end.

[helline9]

if all the masks are separate pieces does that mean you could magnetise them or is it too small a space?

and is it just me or do other people get the itch to paint them with 'Guy Fawkes' masks? :P

[Mr Mystery]

if all the masks are separate pieces does that mean you could magnetise them or is it too small a space?

and is it just me or do other people get the itch to paint them with 'Guy Fawkes' masks? :P

I wouldn't do the Guy Fawkes thing. You'd find they refuse to come out of the Webway and actually do something constructive, instead preferring to hide themselves and just be a pain in most peoples behinds.

[odinsgrandson]

I think it's sad that they released a lot of nice Hobbit character models in Finecast rather than plastic, and no one wanted to touch that material paying $45 for a character on horse and on foot, and they're already recalling pretty much all of the Finecast models from their stores to send back to the warehouse. If they'd been plastic, I might have eaten that price for one of them (probably not, as I can get a unit for that price).


You know, I think you've summed up a lot of GW's pricing problems. It isn't that they're all too expensive, but that they're totally bonkers as to what's expensive and what is cheap. Their units are actually fairly cheap per model (core units tend to be around $4 per mini) while their characters tend to be $20-$30 per mini.


With that rant out of the way... The new Harlies look pretty decent, but they definitely beg comparison to the old harlequins, and those were pretty fantastic. I'd still love to paint up a unit or two of them, though.

[40kGamer]

if all the masks are separate pieces does that mean you could magnetise them or is it too small a space?

and is it just me or do other people get the itch to paint them with 'Guy Fawkes' masks? :P

A 1/16 x 1/32 magnet may work... (1.5875mm diameter x 0.79375mm thickness) I've also seen 0.5334mm thickness which may actually be better... haven't seen a smaller diameter but I'm sure they're out there somewhere! :p

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With that rant out of the way... The new Harlies look pretty decent, but they definitely beg comparison to the old harlequins, and those were pretty fantastic. I'd still love to paint up a unit or two of them, though.

By old I'm guessing you're referring to the latest version which is truly fantastic. Even some of the earliest Harlie sculpts hold up ok.

[odinsgrandson]

Ok, I've got some of the earliest sculpts for the Harlequins, and I do not agree that they hold up. They were good for the era, and can be made to look pretty cool, but they are not up to standard with current miniatures lines (both GW's and other companies). Their poses, details and anatomical proportions aren't up to our current standards.

In addition, the scale creep since those days makes them all pygmies. But they were awesome at the time.


On the other hand, the metal/finecast kit that they made more recently is a terrific kit- especially the great Harlequin who is jumping with both feet off of the ground. The unit is actually one that I prefer finecast for, since the minis are otherwise pretty top heavy (and current finecast has a much better quality control than when they started).


Yay 50/50 gender ratio continued in the vehicle kit too.

I like it a lot, I agree a full face cowl would have been nice, bit disappointed but still happy with th kit.


Really, we know that? That's great. I wonder if there will be some extra bits that can be spread throughout the harlequin on foot unit a little. I really wouldn't mind a female Great Harlequin as well.

In fact, I might have to make one of those sometime.

[Erik Setzer]

I wouldn't do the Guy Fawkes thing. You'd find they refuse to come out of the Webway and actually do something constructive, instead preferring to hide themselves and just be a pain in most peoples behinds.

Either that, or they'll blow up all the governmental buildings while promoting the complete overthrow of all forms of government and establishment of anarchy (but not chaos).

[Eldar_Atog]

It'd also be cool if the small faces are a separate bit. Could be a cool little addition to a vehicle.

Hmm.. perhaps using the monsters from Persona 3 and 4 as a template. All sorts of interesting combinations :)

[Mr Mystery]

Ooooh! Ooooh!

As I'm adding Flayed Ones to my Necron army, because with 4 attacks basic they're now dead good (well, I think so)....use spare Harlequin Masks on their faces....

[Arkhan Land]

Ok, I've got some of the earliest sculpts for the Harlequins, and I do not agree that they hold up. They were good for the era, and can be made to look pretty cool, but they are not up to standard with current miniatures lines (both GW's and other companies). Their poses, details and anatomical proportions aren't up to our current standards.

In addition, the scale creep since those days makes them all pygmies. But they were awesome at the time.

the old RT ones are definetly smaller, Its one of those things though that the super slender nature of the figures makes a few of them not so akward next to the current models, I grabbed a few troupes for less than 10 a troupe on ebay last year and picked out the ones I felt were the least tiny/weird posed/had the most fusion guns. If do expand for this army I probably will throw in a few of the old guys just so I can maybe have 3 troupes from 2 boxes. Did the same to make my bezerkers 3 sqauds of 5.

"Aren't you a little short for a harbinger of merciless slaughter?"

[40kGamer]

the old RT ones are definetly smaller, Its one of those things though that the super slender nature of the figures makes a few of them not so akward next to the current models, I grabbed a few troupes for less than 10 a troupe on ebay last year and picked out the ones I felt were the least tiny/weird posed/had the most fusion guns. If do expand for this army I probably will throw in a few of the old guys just so I can maybe have 3 troupes from 2 boxes. Did the same to make my bezerkers 3 sqauds of 5.

"Aren't you a little short for a harbinger of merciless slaughter?"

Having models of different heights adds a touch of proportional realism to the tabletop. ;)

[Erik Setzer]

I found a bag of 26 assorted Harlequins in a bin of Eldar in my apartment (to save space a few years ago, I pulled models out of their blisters and put them in bags with similar models), and I'd use them, but I'm not sure whether they have options to represent things like power fists, crystal pistols, and other assorted wargear the old models had. Hope they'll throw a bone to those of us with the older stuff!

[40kGamer]

I found a bag of 26 assorted Harlequins in a bin of Eldar in my apartment (to save space a few years ago, I pulled models out of their blisters and put them in bags with similar models), and I'd use them, but I'm not sure whether they have options to represent things like power fists, crystal pistols, and other assorted wargear the old models had. Hope they'll throw a bone to those of us with the older stuff!

Wasn't the crystal pistol the neuro disruptor? Crap now I'll have to blow the dust off the archives bookcase and dig into the RT era books.

[Subs]

Yep the lump of crystal is the neuro disruptor.

as the proud owner of the entire range of classic Harlequin sculpts i have to say, no, they do not hold up to the new ones. There's more variation across the models, but that's about their only positive in any comparison. The new ones are more dynamic, better proportioned, better detailed and the new plastics are going to be a dam sight easier to convert. because yes, I am having Mimes whether GW releases them or not.

And to the person who made the quip about Anons, wow, you've missed so much. i would list all the ground ops but I'll just leave it at #opdsafewinter, where various Anon's have been going out on to the streets to make a real difference in the lives of the homeless for the last two years. If anyone feels like helping with this, google it, you can make monetary donations but what they really need are socks and blankets so if you have any old spare ones kicking around, don't give them to #opsafewinter, go into your local city or large town and give them directly to the people who need them. (because the second commentator was right, Anarchy is not Chaos, it's simply getting up and doing something your self, and you dont even have to blow buildings up to do it.) :)

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm... So you're saying pewter models from 20 years ago aren't quite as detailed or dynamically posed or easy to convert as plastic models made possibly using a computer in the year 2014?

Color me shocked!

The old ones still have plenty of detail and look nice. And the new ones' "dynamic" poses actually annoy me, because you're going to have a lot of multiples that are in the exact same pose throughout the army, or will have to work hard at altering them.

Kind of like with the Stormfiends, where they have plenty of detail, but only go together one way, so if you build a unit of three with the same weapons (as most people would, but that's also $200 after taxes), you have three models that are exactly the same, and the only way to change the pose slightly is to remove parts of the model, or just rebuild entire sections of the model. Right down to all three guys with shock gauntlets have their foot up on the exact same piece of terrain. Yeah, individually they look great, but the moment you start doing units, it becomes clear that there isn't nearly enough variation.

[Subs]

I've never met a model yet that only goes together one way. :)

Oh by the way F212 have posted leaked rules for the Skyweavers.

[Eldar_Atog]

I'm fond of the old pewter models myself. They do have their warts but they are the reason I fell in love with the Eldar army. I still use the old models as a proxy for storm guardians whenever I play them.

[40kGamer]

I'm fond of the old pewter models myself. They do have their warts but they are the reason I fell in love with the Eldar army. I still use the old models as a proxy for storm guardians whenever I play them.

I totally understand... I still prefer the majority of the original metal Aspect sculpts to the more recent ones. And for IG, the old metal ranges are vastly superior to the GW stuff of today. (Although the FW stuff is great)

[Defenestratus]

Gird your loins...


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
I have the Skyweavers information for you.
WS5 BS4 T4 W2 I6 Sv4+
100pts gets you 2 skyweavers and you may take up to 4 more.
any model can replace the star bolas-12"S6 AP2 blast 1/use only but in addition to bikes guns, with a zephyrglaive-S+1/User AP2/3 Melee. first numbers are for the round they charge

any jetbike can replace the shuriken cannon with a Haywire Cannon 24"S4 AP4 blast haywire

Wargear, each one comes with a Holo-suit, star bolas, mirage launchers-1/game 4++vs shooting, and a skyweaver jetbike

fear, furious charge, and hit and run are the special rules.

Not impressed at all with these rules. Too many blast weapons for a jinking unit. Too expensive when you compare it to the Wraith who just came out last week for 10 points less....

[Mr Mystery]

Might be me being thick, but they can't jink, they're jetbikes, not vehicles?

[Defenestratus]

Might be me being thick, but they can't jink, they're jetbikes, not vehicles?

Jetbikes can jink... you just never see them doing it because the eldar jetbikes have a 3+ armor save.

...fyi, no grenades. No Flip belt. No skilled rider.

Terrain is going to be these guys' worst nightmare.

[Mr Mystery]

Fair enough.

[Lexington]

Too expensive when you compare it to the Wraith who just came out last week for 10 points less....
To be fair, practically everything in the game at that cost range is unimpressive compared to Wraiths. The Necron book in general seems to be our new Grey Knights.

[40kGamer]

Jetbikes can jink... you just never see them doing it because the eldar jetbikes have a 3+ armor save.

...fyi, no grenades. No Flip belt. No skilled rider.

Terrain is going to be these guys' worst nightmare.

Have to agree... the rules for these look underwhelming. 2 wounds on a T4 4+ save model are 'meh'.

[Mr Mystery]

Rumours are rumours.

Perhaps inaccurate, quite possibly incomplete.

[Subs]

They become a bit more survivable when you factor in the ++ save from the alleged Mirage Launchers, but only a bit.

[40kGamer]

The invul save is nice... even if the rules are awful I'll still pick up a box just for modeling purposes. If the rules are viable I'll get several.

[Mr Mystery]

Worth noting that the Faeit rumour doesn't list the attack value, so already we have at least one piece of missing info.

[Eldar_Atog]

I'm a little doubtful on the skyweaver rules. Either there are a lot of missing special rules or the rumor is not accurate. 50 points for 1 jetbike just doesn't sound right.

[Mr Mystery]

If they've got a bucket of attacks (3 or more) I can see them being worth it.

Jinkyjinky, sniping at Tanks with the Haywire Cannon, then eschewing Jink to pile into the relativelsafety of combat against the partner of your choice.

If they are good in combat, they'd be the best bikes since Orky bikes! All the Dakkas, but with more choppy. And fastener.

[Gir]

I'm a little doubtful on the skyweaver rules. Either there are a lot of missing special rules or the rumor is not accurate. 50 points for 1 jetbike just doesn't sound right.

Attack bikes are 50pts, and their only advantage is +1t and +1sv

[Mr Mystery]

And an aside.....wonder how Shadowseers will work in the Codex?

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Attack bikes are 50pts, and their only advantage is +1t and +1sv

And a Heavy Bolter. Which is considerable additional Dakkas. And an additional wound.

[Sersis]

Here is the image with the unit profile: http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/03/bbaf6d326c0891ff78af689190045a7c.jpg

[Subs]

I'm wondering how that spear works, got a sneaking suspicion it's a armour bane and when used in conjunction with the haywire blaster the whole bike becomes a vehicle hunter. And that would mean multiple units, one set of bikes for enemy infantry, one set for tank killing.

[Mr Mystery]

Furious Charge is nice.

If the report on the Zephyrblade is accurate, I make that 4 S5 AP2, I6 attacks on the charge. Not much can take that on the chin and live, which is nice.

Think I'd favour the Haywire weapon.

[Gir]

And a Heavy Bolter. Which is considerable additional Dakkas. And an additional wound.

I'll take the Shuriken Cannon over a Heavy Bolter any day. They both have 2 wounds.

[DWest]

Attack bikes are 50pts, and their only advantage is +1t and +1sv
+1T and 3+ are pretty big though, especially considering that most "anti-air" weapons (i.e. Skyfire, which can hit be used on Jetbikes if there are no flyers to shoot at, and/or Ignores cover) are AP 4, that makes for a big advantage in survivability for the Attack Bike over the Skyweaver.

[Lexington]

The Star Bolas don't sound bad - fast-moving, short-ranged Plasma Cannons. Still, expensive for what they do. Really waiting to hear about the profiles for the Starweaver and the Deathjester/Shadowseer.

[Finnegan]

+1T and 3+ are pretty big though, especially considering that most "anti-air" weapons (i.e. Skyfire, which can hit be used on Jetbikes if there are no flyers to shoot at, and/or Ignores cover) are AP 4, that makes for a big advantage in survivability for the Attack Bike over the Skyweaver.

They still get 5++ save from holo suits but yes, I'm not impressed with their defensive capabilities. Two of them are price equivalent of two basic Windrider squadrons but have less wounds total and worse armour save. Nevertheless in close combat they would kill things pretty easily.

[Thaldin]

They still get 5++ save from holo suits but yes, I'm not impressed with their defensive capabilities. Two of them are price equivalent of two basic Windrider squadrons but have less wounds total and worse armour save. Nevertheless in close combat they would kill things pretty easily.

They have always been the glassiest (new word?) of glass cannons though, so this is nothing new. It's always been tough to get them into combat, but once you did, they ripped apart the enemy.

[Bigred]

image via blood of kittens (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Blood-of-Kittens/281405089788?fref=photo), Forge the Narrative (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative?fref=photo) 2-3-2015

CONFIRMED Skyweaver Rules:
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[eldargal]

Looking pretty impressive really.

[Arkhan Land]

shift meals it is for 2015!

[Defenestratus]

I just don't see a good role for these guys... maybe its just the Eldar player in me but these jetbikes seem rather confused. They have almost no survivability... a fairly nice ranged loadout but the haywire launcher doesn't really work that well with either the bolas OR the shuriken cannon so I'm not sure why'd you take it (unless its the Harlequins' only anti-tank weapon which it could possibly be). The crappy 4+ save means that anything that is AP4 is going to cause you to jink, which means all those blast weapons can't shoot next turn.

Furthermore the assault capabilities seem nice on the surface until you realize that terrain will be the best defense against these guys. Sure they can hit with a relatively large amount of medium strength AP2 on the charge, but their total lack of any kind of any kind of survivability, and no grenades, means that even a squad of tactical marines in cover will wipe them out before they're able to strike blows in assault.

So shooty is decent but with lack of a consistency/synergy. Assault is decent on paper but suffers from the same "banshee-itis" that other Eldar assault units have... they depend on being able to strike first because they can't take a punch back. If all it takes is a piece of terrain to completely nullify them in assault then it can't really be considered an assault unit.

Combined with the ludicrous price you pay per model and I just don't see these things as being all that great. Sure they'll have a novelty factor for Harlequin armies but they're not going to be ubiquitous UNLESS a shadowseer or other buffing unit can join them for a reasonable cost.

[40kGamer]

I see the bikes as an awesome model to convert, paint and put on the shelf.

[Defenestratus]

I see the bikes as an awesome model to convert, paint and put on the shelf.

Just don't put those silly bolas on them and I'd agree.

I might buy them just to convert into craftworlder bikes.

[Eldar_Atog]

Combined with the ludicrous price you pay per model and I just don't see these things as being all that great. Sure they'll have a novelty factor for Harlequin armies but they're not going to be ubiquitous UNLESS a shadowseer or other buffing unit can join them for a reasonable cost.

I think it will depend on the special rules tied to the skyweaver jetbike. If it has a rule about ignoring terrain for the purposes of assualt, you might see them get some play. I'm waiting till I see the book before I commit to buying anything beyond the solitaire.

I'm really excited about picking some of the harlequin stuff up.. but I won't buy sight unseen. The mandrakes taught me an important lesson.

[helline9]

Any thoughts on the mirage launchers (for the skyweaver jetbikes)?

are we thinking that they work as assault grenades, give bonus to cover save, both or other?

one-shot cover like smoke launchers...

secondary anti-infantry weapon....

bonuses to leaving combat...

AoE cover for other units...

[Eldur]

Sorry if someone has previously said this but, I noticed that the harlequin troupe minis showed by games workshop have no harlequin embrace on them. Then I looked at the sprue images from theit web and found them: two left arms carrying a sort of sting on the side. But the embrace replaces the combat weapon, not the pistol! I chequed it, all pistols (shuriken, fusion and neural disruptors) are in the left arm.
The leaked codex image is fake, or someone f*** things up and the codex is beinh reprinted. This could explain why it's being delayed so long, and not just because of "third party sculptor " management.

[DarkLink]

Uh-huh. A GW kit that doesn't inherently allow for all wysiwyg options? You don't say...

[Gir]

This could explain why it's being delayed so long, and not just because of "third party sculptor " management.

How do you delay something without a release date?

[Cutter]

How do you delay something without a release date?

Practice.

[Mr Mystery]

Sorry if someone has previously said this but, I noticed that the harlequin troupe minis showed by games workshop have no harlequin embrace on them. Then I looked at the sprue images from theit web and found them: two left arms carrying a sort of sting on the side. But the embrace replaces the combat weapon, not the pistol! I chequed it, all pistols (shuriken, fusion and neural disruptors) are in the left arm.
The leaked codex image is fake, or someone f*** things up and the codex is beinh reprinted. This could explain why it's being delayed so long, and not just because of "third party sculptor " management.

What leaked codex picture? What are you talking about?

[Arthfael]

Chill out! The harlequin embraces are on the bottom right of sprue 2 of 3 as shown on the GW website and those are definitely right hands (on their right are two masks, and the left a bent leg). I do agree though it was weird no model was shown assembled with them.

[Mr Mystery]

If memory serves, and providing I wasn't misinformed in the first place, 'Eavy Metal don't tend to paint the final kits, but prototypes of said kits.

If the Harelquin's Embrace were a later addition, then they may not have been conceived when the unit was being painted up. After all, with the CAD approach it's easier than ever to add stuff to a sprue at a relative last minute.

Also helps to explain why, on occasion (none of which I can actually think of, somewhat undermining my point) the 'Eavy Metal models differ slightly from the ones we get our sweaty mitts on in the end.

[Bigred]

via L'Astropate and Tiller5 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7376235&viewfull=1#post7376235) 2-5-2014

First sightings of the Starweaver transport.

Tiller says:

Just picked up my pre orders from my local shop, and saw this nice bit of artwork on the instruction booklet. Forgive if I'm wrong, as I'm not much of an Eldar player (yes I know I've just bought some Harlequins, but they're so pretty!), but could the craft in the top left be the Starweaver?
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L'Astropate
Note the blurry vehicle in the upper right behind the jetbikes:
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[helline9]

First sightings of the Starweaver transport.

Tiller says:
Just picked up my pre orders from my local shop, and saw this nice bit of artwork on the instruction booklet. Forgive if I'm wrong, as I'm not much of an Eldar player (yes I know I've just bought some Harlequins, but they're so pretty!), but could the craft in the top left be the Starweaver?
Note the blurry vehicle in the upper right behind the jetbikes:


nice spotting!
could that be a Great harlequin front & center in the B&W pic?

[Bigred]

via Captain Citadel (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21101-Eldar-Skyweaver-Wargears) 2-6-2015

Starweaver Equipment & WD Teasers
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Yeah - those Star Bolas are dirty!

[Arkhan Land]

Mirage launcher save as 4+ invul versus Cover is rather nifty.

Im real curious to see what the harly psychic powers are beyond VoT. Its really gonna make or break this for me on how big of a detatchment I build. If there's nothing really cool to add onto these units its probably one of each kit for me and then done-zo, if they give me something worthwhile I may be taking the fat of my space marines

[helline9]

so many one-shot weapons in this codex urgh... i like one-shot things about as much as random stuff

[Cutter]

so many one-shot weapons in this codex urgh... i like one-shot things about as much as random stuff

Probably shouldn't play a dice game then...

Have you considered chess?

[Mr Mystery]

Mirage launcher save as 4+ invul versus Cover is rather nifty.

Im real curious to see what the harly psychic powers are beyond VoT. Its really gonna make or break this for me on how big of a detatchment I build. If there's nothing really cool to add onto these units its probably one of each kit for me and then done-zo, if they give me something worthwhile I may be taking the fat of my space marines

Also neatly deals with the concerns about not being able to Jink and use the Bolas or the Haywire Cannon when Jinking, as you can Shields Up, tonk something with the Bolas or Haywire, and not need to pile into combat.

Odd little unit this. In sufficient numbers, it's capable of acting on it's own, softening the unit up before jumping it in combat. In smaller numbers, works well in concert with Troupes when attacking Terminator type stuff, as the Bolas can help reduce the number you're facing in combat.

[helline9]

Probably shouldn't play a dice game then...

Have you considered chess?

LoL, i wasn't referring to the dice rolls that is a key part of the game but rather to the units that have (usually over-costed) random bonuses like IG penal legion, or the many chaos units like Possessed (or the old Chaos dreadnought).

[Subs]

I suspect Helline is like me, I create a bit of a back story for my characters, giving them a name and building up a history over games. It's kinda annoying to see the same Character turn up to games with wildly different powers, feels like it's not the same Character.

[eldargal]

LoL, i wasn't referring to the dice rolls that is a key part of the game but rather to the units that have (usually over-costed) random bonuses like IG penal legion, or the many chaos units like Possessed (or the old Chaos dreadnought).

Random effects have been part of 40k since the beginning, they are as much a part of the game as dice rolls.

[Mr Mystery]

Good point.

If anything, there's far less of them these days.

[eldargal]

I like them a lot, done well they can be a fun narrative tool and encourage different tactics and builds and potentially add more originality to your game.

[Mr Mystery]

Personally I like the random charge length, and I really, really don't get how something which makes the game less predictable has made it less tactical.

If you're not guaranteed your charge, you need a plan B in case it fails. The requirement of a plan B necessitates further thought.

[Cutter]

LoL, i wasn't referring to the dice rolls that is a key part of the game but rather to the units that have (usually over-costed) random bonuses like IG penal legion, or the many chaos units like Possessed (or the old Chaos dreadnought).

I do know what you mean, but on the whole I just roll with it, no pun intended :p

++

I would usually cast 40k as the queen of randomosity, but I recently played a game of Flames of War that had random terrain and random deployment (table divided into 6 2'x2' squares, roll for each unit to see where you start). The real killer for my opponent, whose glorious idea this had been, was the random line of sight range rolls demanded by the night mission. I kept making mine, he kept failing his. In the end I almost tabled him for the cost of a couple of light tanks.

I don't know which one of use was more amazed.

[Erik Setzer]

Personally I like the random charge length, and I really, really don't get how something which makes the game less predictable has made it less tactical.

If you're not guaranteed your charge, you need a plan B in case it fails. The requirement of a plan B necessitates further thought.

Different game system, but I remember an old game with Orcs and Goblins when I lined up for a nice charge with my army against the opposing army... and then almost all of my army failed their animosity rolls and just stood there like idiots. There's no Plan B at that point.

Ditto for when, in the same turn, your Skaven Warlock Engineer ends up zapping himself so hard with Warp Lightning he forgets how to be a Wizard (two games now, actually, ended up with Irresistible Force WL, rolled 1 for number of hits, then lost two levels) and your Warp Lightning Cannon blows up, in a 500 point match.

Sometimes there is no Plan B. That's when you learn to develop a sense of humor. As a longtime player of Orks, Orcs, and Skaven, I've had to get used to laughing it off.

[Greengiant]

Random effects have been part of 40k since the beginning, they are as much a part of the game as dice rolls.

My personal favorite is how the 4th (not quite sure which edition) edition Greater Daemons arrived on the table... Roll a D6 for each character in your entire army, if you roll a six, that model is killed and replaced with the Demon. It could be your cheapest Aspiring Champion, or your beefed up Chaos Lord.

From the blurry pictures I have seen (blurry because it is the background of the already 'leaked' jetbikes) the Starweaver looks to be a venom type variant.

[Defenestratus]

For the life of me, I don't understand how these things don't have stealth or shrouded with their holofields.

[Mr Mystery]

Well indeed.

I've seen the odd demand from self identifying 'hardcore tournament players' for stuff like Animosity and Skaven 'whoops I killed my army' stuff to be removed.

My answer? Don't. Play. Those. Armies. The rules in question are a big part of the army character, and for every time the green skinned little oiks ruin your plans, there'll be times when everything has inexplicably come together in an A-Team style, and you just roll your opponents line :)

The animosity complaints in particular seemed to treat as something absolutely brand new to the army, rather than something that has been around at least as long as I have (Warhammer that game with Elves and those lethally sharp Gobbos)

[Aldavaer]

The randomness can also be used tactically. For instance you can place your troops to tempt your opponent into a charge when it is borderline for success, with the intent of punishing him if it fails.

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

Far better to my mind than 'ha! I rapid fired. Uh oh...he's in guaranteed assault reach'

[helline9]

I suspect Helline is like me, I create a bit of a back story for my characters, giving them a name and building up a history over games. It's kinda annoying to see the same Character turn up to games with wildly different powers, feels like it's not the same Character.

yes i very much have a back story for all of my armies of which i'm quite attached too and Subs is right in that when a ability rolls up that's not useful or appropriate you just feel a bit annoyed (i get far more excited when a warlord trait rolls up that fits the character rather than what powerful) but that's not the bit that really gets me...

I'm not a big tournament player but when i do build a list for states or whatever i find myself looking at those random effect units (possessed as an example) and i can't justify taking them them because what if one of their random rolls cost me not only the match but the competition due to something that i have no control over.
Some armies have it more than others, if your a goblin player in fantasy and you don't like your units doing crazy stuff well your probably playing the wrong army but when was the last time you saw a Possessed or Penal legion (before their latest codex obviously) do well in a tournament or even be in a tournament? People would rather have a Chosen than Possessed in a competition because it can be relied upon to do its job.

Eldargal is quite right randomness has always been part of the game (if i remember correctly 2nd ed had tons of it) but when winning is important it should be about who is the better player with the better tactics not who's lucky with things that's got nothing to do with how good a player he is. The less randomness you have the more reliability you have the greater chance your tactics will work, i feel its the same with one-shot weapons. Those bolas are good... but what if you miss? are you going to weaken your whole battle line just to compensate for the fact that you can't have another go thus giving your opponent the advantage? should you spend valuable points on getting more of the expensive skyweavers just so you've got more bolas just in case you miss a few times with the one-shot weapons?

We don't even have the codex yet and i'm probably just winging too much. i'll shut up now :P

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Jetbikes up on GW site - http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Harlequin-Skyweavers

Sprues look pretty packed!

Also video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4TUFv2BXLE

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

And two front torsos with headlamps, which is nice.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yup.

And two front torsos with headlamps, which is nice.

Yes, happy about that too.

Guessing next week will be the Starweaver and Death jester, but what i want to know is whether there will be anymore or not as they will seemingly be lacking an HQ, as the Death Jester, Solitaire and Shadowseer are listed as elites on the website.

[Erik Setzer]

Well indeed.

I've seen the odd demand from self identifying 'hardcore tournament players' for stuff like Animosity and Skaven 'whoops I killed my army' stuff to be removed.

My answer? Don't. Play. Those. Armies. The rules in question are a big part of the army character, and for every time the green skinned little oiks ruin your plans, there'll be times when everything has inexplicably come together in an A-Team style, and you just roll your opponents line :)

The animosity complaints in particular seemed to treat as something absolutely brand new to the army, rather than something that has been around at least as long as I have (Warhammer that game with Elves and those lethally sharp Gobbos)

The really strange thing was when I was told by a quite good Skaven player that he avoids anything random in his army for that reason... but he tends to take a Hell Pit Abomination and I've seen him use a Grey Seer on Screaming Bell (he even let me borrow the model once because I keep forgetting to order a base for my old Bell to fit into a unit better).

I just go into games with the assumption that if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. If it does, I'm prepared. If it doesn't, huzzah!

There's not much random outside of dice rolls in recent releases, except for the C'tan powers. And even when those might not be what you want, they're almost always going to be nasty. Maybe Combat Drugs for Dark Eldar? Then you have to reach back to the Orks with some of their stuff. Otherwise, it's just psychic power selection, warlord traits, and mission objectives (counting 7th edition and after releases).

I'm glad Harlequins don't have much random stuff. While it's fun, they're one of the armies that'd be more likely to make sure everything is 100% right before doing anything (like Grey Knights).

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Those bolas are good... but what if you miss? are you going to weaken your whole battle line just to compensate for the fact that you can't have another go thus giving your opponent the advantage? should you spend valuable points on getting more of the expensive skyweavers just so you've got more bolas just in case you miss a few times with the one-shot weapons?

Bolas are pretty short ranged. So you set things up to drop in, throw them, and then assault so the non-bola bikes can hit with their spears. AP2 all over the place! (Except the bola's CC attacks, of course.)

[Defenestratus]

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120111002_HarlequinSkyweaversSprue02.jpg

That right there is a CWE jetbike sprue with some harlequin bits and bobbins tossed in extra (kind of like how the stormraven kits come with BA/GK bits and bobbins). I think we're looking at the new CWE jetbike sprue... all we need is a secondary sprue that can make a guardian/shiningspear/Warlock/Farseer/Autarch.

[Mr Mystery]

If they redo the Craftworld Jetbikes, reckon I'll revisit Saim Hann.

Used to have one in the days of 3rd/4th Ed. Was great fun!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I'd love new Windrider Jetbikes. I hope we'll get some of those - based on this design, probably! - soon~

These are lovely, too!

[Kirsten]

the skyweaver, with the pillion rider, is a perfect basis for Nuadhu Fireheart

[Regnir]

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Not major news really, but GW appears to have accidently pasted in part of the description of the Starweaver into the webstore entry for the Skyweaver Jetbikes. I've highlighted the section of interest. I've got WD54 in hand, there are about a billion pictures and articles about the Skyweavers and nowhere do they show clear parts for the kit. I think this reinforces the idea that they'll basically be Venoms, as the description is very similar to how the Venom kit is packaged.

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno dude.

If you zoom into the pics of the built models, they do look like canopies could be put on.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I think he might be right. There's no cockpit. It's a bike!

[JMichael]

So is this just a model release with WD rules or will there be a codex/supplement as well?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

There'll be a Codex in the next couple of weeks. We don't know exactly when because GW's rumour-control game is pretty tight these days!

[Kirsten]

Dunno dude.

If you zoom into the pics of the built models, they do look like canopies could be put on.

no canopies on the various pics on the GW website though

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Whenever GW add a new "army" to the website, I think it is a reasonable to expect them to do a codex for it - even the Inqusition and Sisters got at least digital codex books but I think Harlequins will get a hardback codex book, possible like knights and tempestus. Also, the artwork in the videos show what looks like codex art as it is the same style ect

[me_in_japan]

I reckon there'll be a codex the week after next. Pics and rumoury things next week, probly.

[deinol]

Having picked up one of each kit I'm a little disappointed that the solitaire mask is smaller than the other masks which makes switching faces for him more difficult. I think I can manage, but I'll have to trim the edges a bit and use a little green stuff to make it work. Hopefully.

[Subs]

It's highly doubtful the CWE Jetbike will be updated to this design, it has been stated time and time again, CWE do not ride recumbent **** rockets, bike concepts like that are considered way to close to the hedonistic psychology that caused the fall. Despite the obvious aesthetic 'coolness' of Jes Goodwins design, any CWE who didn't show enough mental discipline to avoid the temptation of ripping about the place on one of those is likely to be thrown out of the Craftworld as a outcast. The recumbent designs simply do not fit the near puritanical psychology of the CWE.

[daboarder]

It's highly doubtful the CWE Jetbike will be updated to this design, it has been stated time and time again, CWE do not ride recumbent **** rockets, bike concepts like that are considered way to close to the hedonistic psychology that caused the fall. Despite the obvious aesthetic 'coolness' of Jes Goodwins design, any CWE who didn't show enough mental discipline to avoid the temptation of ripping about the place on one of those is likely to be thrown out of the Craftworld as a outcast. The recumbent designs simply do not fit the near puritanical psychology of the CWE.

....I have honestly never heard of this before oO

[Sersis]

Rumors for this week preorders:

"Releases for this week
Codex: Harlequins – 96 pages hardback full colour not a supplement but a full stand-alone codex
Datacards Harlequins – 7 Psychic cards and 36 tactical objectives
Harlequin Starweaver – transport for Harlequins, looking a lot like the DE Venom
Warriors of the Laughing God: A Harlequins Painting Guide – 168pages, softcover painting guide.
Harlequins Dice"

Source: http://natfka.blogspot.ru/2015/02/this-weeks-preorders-harlequin-codex.html

[Subs]

....I have honestly never heard of this before oO

Read the fluff on Sam Hain. The other Craftworlds are very suspicious of them because they think that having large numbers of Jet Bikes is too hedonistic, they'd out rightly disown them if their bike designs started to resemble the Reavers of the DE.

[ShadowcatX]

Can we move the topic away from this bickering and back to the Harlequins? That would be awesome.

[Defenestratus]

It's highly doubtful the CWE Jetbike will be updated to this design, it has been stated time and time again, CWE do not ride recumbent **** rockets, bike concepts like that are considered way to close to the hedonistic psychology that caused the fall. Despite the obvious aesthetic 'coolness' of Jes Goodwins design, any CWE who didn't show enough mental discipline to avoid the temptation of ripping about the place on one of those is likely to be thrown out of the Craftworld as a outcast. The recumbent designs simply do not fit the near puritanical psychology of the CWE.

Can't tell if real or sarcasm.

There was a CWE jetbike concept model shown at a games day many many years ago that was in the DE bike pose.

[Erik Setzer]

I was all ready to start a Necron army... and then I ended up grabbing Harlequins instead. Which means I have another codex and set of cards to pick up now. But the thing that helped was having some Harlequins at home, plus the new models look cool, and too many people are already doing Necrons.

The poses are nice, but it's a bit annoying that there'll be multiple guys in the same units jumping off the exact same bit of terrain and all, unless I do some serious converting. Harlequins would be an army you can do serious converting with, sure, but it's still a bit annoying. At least the arms can be positioned for interesting differences. I think I'll be weighing down one or two bases, too. I'd recommend assembling the models entirely before gluing them to a base, so you can position them well to make sure the weight isn't too far out of center.

I also like that Harlequins are only Desperate Allies with Orks, not Come the Apocalypse (which is funny and also sad when Imperial Guard are CTA despite a history of Orks and IG working together for various reasons). So if I want to mix Harlies in with my Orks, I'll have that option. But they'll probably just be their own little force on the side.

Anything other than infantry and bikes in the rumor mill? Or will this just be a fast, light army that represents the ultimate glass cannons?

[Path Walker]

I was all ready to start a Necron army... and then I ended up grabbing Harlequins instead. Which means I have another codex and set of cards to pick up now. But the thing that helped was having some Harlequins at home, plus the new models look cool, and too many people are already doing Necrons.

The poses are nice, but it's a bit annoying that there'll be multiple guys in the same units jumping off the exact same bit of terrain and all, unless I do some serious converting. Harlequins would be an army you can do serious converting with, sure, but it's still a bit annoying. At least the arms can be positioned for interesting differences. I think I'll be weighing down one or two bases, too. I'd recommend assembling the models entirely before gluing them to a base, so you can position them well to make sure the weight isn't too far out of center.

I also like that Harlequins are only Desperate Allies with Orks, not Come the Apocalypse (which is funny and also sad when Imperial Guard are CTA despite a history of Orks and IG working together for various reasons). So if I want to mix Harlies in with my Orks, I'll have that option. But they'll probably just be their own little force on the side.

Anything other than infantry and bikes in the rumor mill? Or will this just be a fast, light army that represents the ultimate glass cannons?

The transport should be on pre-order on friday.

I've managed to restrain myself so far, once my Legion of Chaos WFB army is done and my Inquisitional force completed, I'll start on a little Harlie army, I think its the perfect sort of thing for little 500 point games

[Subs]

20 years I've had a Quin army, I've been waiting for a decade for the studio to release a official usable list. And instead they release what looks like a whole new codex and range of stunning models . . in the two weeks before I'm due to take a certain someone to Prague for a week. Thank mercy for the internet and being able to order from airport checkins.

[Thaldin]

So far I've bought 1 squad of harlies (I have metals for more), 1 solitaire, and 2 boxes of the bikes. I dread this Friday.

[Mr Mystery]

So far I've bought 1 squad of harlies (I have metals for more), 1 solitaire, and 2 boxes of the bikes. I dread this Friday.

Week one. Grabbed you by the ankles.

Week two. Turned you upside down.

Week three. The shakedown.

And if there's a week four? That's when the Gobbos rifle through your pockets for any remaining loose change, teef, organs and assorted shiney knick-knacks.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Week one. Grabbed you by the ankles.

Week two. Turned you upside down.

Week three. The shakedown.

And if there's a week four? That's when the Gobbos rifle through your pockets for any remaining loose change, teef, organs and assorted shiney knick-knacks.

/\ made me think of this song lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p8-RS3j7Ek

[Erik Setzer]

Week one. Grabbed you by the ankles.

Week two. Turned you upside down.

Week three. The shakedown.

And if there's a week four? That's when the Gobbos rifle through your pockets for any remaining loose change, teef, organs and assorted shiney knick-knacks.

If no teef are in the pockets, they'll just smash you in the face and get *those* teef.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
CODEX: HARLEQUINS
A 96 page full colour hardback Codex that contains new background, artwork, colour schemes and rules for the harlequins. RRP £30

HARLEQUIN STARWEAVER
A Multipart plastic kit making either a fast moving troop carrier or a heavy weapons platform called a Voidweaver for Harlequins.
RRP £25

WARRIORS OF THE LAUGHING GOD: A HARLEQUINS PAINTING GUIDE
A 168 page full colour paperback step-by-step painting guide for Harlequins.
RRP £20

All released next Saturday, Pre-orders on this Saturday.


http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/more-harlequin-release-details-with.html


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There were rumours the Starweaver made another unit and my instinct tells me this is probably right, so I'm gonna go with believing this one personally.

So that gives Harlequins 1 Fast attack, 1 Troops, 1 Dedicated Transport, 3 Elites and 1 Heavy Support. I do wonder if there is any more to come - as they are seemingly still lacking an HQ, and that supposedly plastic Death Jester doesn't appear in the list either so perhaps they will have a 4th week with a few clampacks to finish it off? (I hope so!)

[DanTheGameMan]

IMAGES OF THE STARWEAVER, DEATH JESTER, AND SHADOWSEER


http://imgur.com/bIuNPxE,2QMNgl0?third_party=1#0
http://imgur.com/bIuNPxE,2QMNgl0?third_party=1#1


soooooooo awesome

edit: in the bottom of the second image, you can see the same chassis, but no passengers, so I'm assuming that's the "voidweaver" weapons platform

[Thaldin]

Wouldn't mind seeing a High Avatar as well...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

At last! thanks for posting!

Death Jester and Shadowseer are definitely new. Starweaver really does look very similar to the Venom - had to look at photos of both side by side to tell the subtle differences.

[Kirsten]

those look awesome

[Mr Mystery]

Death jester is my favourite.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Death jester is my favourite.

Ditto, I think I will at least get him.

Gotta say they transfered the shadowseer and deathjester to plastic really well I think, very similar to the previous ones but imo subtle improvements.

[Eldar_Atog]

I will have to pickup the death jester. I already have 1 of the newer metal ones and 3 of the really old ones.

They have really outdone themselves on the models. Even with already having a large batch of Harlequins, I'm wanting to pickup at least 1 of everything. This is one of those releases I've been waiting on for a long time.

My one disappointment is that the Shadowseer, Solitaire, and Death Jester all appear to be male. I was hoping at least one of the non basic harlequins was going to be female.

[Subs]

Not so sure that bottom vehicle is a different variant. The weapon mount doesn't look different. That Jester is cool, but it's going to be repetitive, hoping there's a bit of room for kitbashing and converting with the other Quin kits because these new models dwarf the classic models so only the 2nd gen sculpts are going to look any good mixed in with these new ones. . . That Shadowseer just looks awesome though. XD

[Defenestratus]

Can't say I'm too impressed with the starweaver. It looks like a venom and a wraithfighter had a baby.

[eldargal]

My one disappointment is that the Shadowseer, Solitaire, and Death Jester all appear to be male. I was hoping at least one of the non basic harlequins was going to be female.

Not sure about the shadowseer, though I suspect you might be right.

Love the starweaver.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I dunno, the Shadowseer's chest bobbles a little bit, it might be a chick? Guess we'll see with better images.

[Erik Setzer]

You don't have to have pronounced breasts to be a woman, you know. Disregarding the potential for male Eldar who identify as female, it's entirely possible for some female Harlequins to exist that don't have a chest that would make early Lara Croft blush. Especially as they're pretty much disguising who they are with those outfits and masks anyway.

Want your Death Jester to be a woman? Boom, it's a woman!

[Path Walker]

Want representation in video games? Just make your own games.

[me_in_japan]

I must confess to being a bit upset by these. I already have 3 eldar armies, and had kiiinda thought I'd come to the end of my major-spending phase with GW. I see the new harlies are coming, and I think "mmm ok. I'll maybe pick up the solitaire, since I dont have one o those" then it becomes "and maybe a couple sets of jetbikes" which becomes "aaaaaand a couple of those skythingies."

quick calculation...that adds up to a fair whack o cash. :(

damn you GW. Damn you. Just when I though I was getting out...

[Cutter]

You don't have to have pronounced breasts to be a woman, you know.

And vice versa of course.

Alas, the years have not been kind...

[Erik Setzer]

And vice versa of course.

Alas, the years have not been kind...

Well, *that* is a Harlequin conversion that would be amusing to see...

[Thaldin]

I'm going to have to see how many Death Jesters I have at home and maybe pick up one or two... and a Shadowseer... and the transport... or 2....

damnit I haven't even played a game of 7th yet either... ARGH...

[Subs]

Remember 40k is sculpted to an exaggerated, heroic scale. It does tend to go for certain archetypes rather than being subtle.

but yer, definitely sold on all three, they're awesome.

[Caldera02]

Is it me or can you never fire the rear cannon at the same target as the hull mounted cannon? Seems very awkward to use, but unique.

[Bigred]

via CaptainCitadel (http://imgur.com/a/poSEY) (imgur) 2-10-2015


New Harlequin kit is a combo kit, making skimmers Starweaver/Voidweaver
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[Erik Setzer]

Is it me or can you never fire the rear cannon at the same target as the hull mounted cannon? Seems very awkward to use, but unique.

Yeah, that's pretty much it... but hey, you can fire at a different target, and a good placement of the vehicle will give you a couple of nice targets, so it has potential.

[Subs]

Useful for something designed to stick close to the transports and really mix it up with the enemy.

[Defenestratus]

I see what holofields are to become in the next Eldar Codex and it does not please me.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

So Harlequins will have seven units in total (unless theres more that hasn't been revealed, but I am doubting that) - certainly more than Tempestus and Knights.

[Bigred]

My questions is will they also get access natively in their codex to some of the Dark Eldar/Craftworld vehicles to round out an armylist.

If that codex is @150 pages I would expect some more meat in there.

That or an enormous section of color plates, like Tempestus Scions had.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I thought the rumour said it was 96 pages? that's about 24 pages smaller than the recent necron codex - and they really spread the backround/fluff quite thinly in that book IMO.

[Bigred]

DOH - My mistake, I was looking at the painting guide. You're rightv Asymetrical, its a short one at 96pp.

I'm still sad they appear to have retconned the High Avatar out of existance. He used to run the show...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

The HQ is the real mystery. I would of thought they would of made the Shadowseer the HQ but on the GW site it is under Elites along with the Solitaire and Death Jester, so that leaves a few possibilities : 1) they will change the FOS when the new model comes out, 2) theres an unseen clampack that hasn't been revealed yet or 3) Harlequins wont have an HQ but instead have a unique forge org like the Knights. Hoping for #2 but I have a feeling it might be #3.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Or you can just make a Great Harlequin from the Harlequins boxes!

[CGlade]

The new skimmer kit makes two different vehicles. Smashing!

http://imgur.com/a/poSEY

Only 6 transport spots :(

[deinol]

Or you can just make a Great Harlequin from the Harlequins boxes!

To be honest, you can make a solitaire from the troupe box fairly easily as well.

[Bigred]

Also note that if you build Voidweavers, you end up with extra Harleys (the crew members), that you could use to dress up "Harlequin Raiders", etc, or just make extra Troupe members.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Wow, looks like I was actually right - unique force org and NO HQ :

http://i.imgur.com/KLpxQNh.jpg

MORE HERE -
Taken from Dakkadakka Via Eiluj The FarseerMade in us :
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1290/628189.page

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Well, that's fun!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

More images here -
http://imgur.com/a/HfpYs

[DrBored]

Huh, only one Heavy Slot. I guess GW really had an issue with Venom Spam from Dark Eldar. Just read the rule on the Aft weapon on that VoidWeaver, it's kinda... silly. Just the fact that you have one gunner manning two guns is silly.

Ah well. At least Harlequins finally get their day, the models are beautiful, and the only people that can complain any more are Sisters of Battle players.

[Bigred]

Clearly the inspiration for the Voidweaver gunner position: WW1 F.E-2b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aircraft_Factory_F.E.2)

http://www.fantasyofflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/IMG_2800-copy-2.jpg

[Houghten]

I see the Starweaver dispenses with the Venom's "one big weapon, one twin-linked little weapon that you can upgrade to a big one" idea and just goes straight for two shuriken cannon. Good. I've never met a Venom with the twin-linked splinter rifle; it's just a waste of plastic.

[Mr Mystery]

Wow, looks like I was actually right - unique force org and NO HQ :

http://i.imgur.com/KLpxQNh.jpg

MORE HERE -
Taken from Dakkadakka Via Eiluj The FarseerMade in us :
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1290/628189.page

Interesting.

Anyone for 7 Solitaires to the face?

[Cutter]

Interesting.

Anyone for 7 Solitaires to the face?

S/he's unique, or are you postulating unbound?

[eldargal]

I see the Starweaver dispenses with the Venom's "one big weapon, one twin-linked little weapon that you can upgrade to a big one" idea and just goes straight for two shuriken cannon. Good. I've never met a Venom with the twin-linked splinter rifle; it's just a waste of plastic.
Agreed.

I don't mind the holofield change, means they are effective against weapons which ignore cover again.

[Erik Setzer]

*Sigh.* I'm not sure if this is 100% accurate or not, but given the source (a GW manager), I'd say it's likely... The books are printed in China and shipped from there, and for the US, that means west coast ports. But the ports are having issues with unions, which is causing trouble getting stuff in there, so the books are going to be delayed, possibly by weeks, in getting to stores in the US.

If the rules weren't in WD, a lot of us wouldn't have any access to them any time soon.

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S/he's unique, or are you postulating unbound?

I don't think Unbound ignores Unique. That's mentioned in a side note in the army building section, and specifically says that if something's Unique, there's only one of it around, or it's exceptionally rare.

I'm okay with Unbound if someone has a fluffy reason for it, but using it to get around an exception that exists specifically because of the fluff is just too cheeky.

[Defenestratus]

The books are printed in China and shipped from there, and for the US, that means west coast ports. But the ports are having issues with unions, which is causing trouble getting stuff in there, so the books are going to be delayed, possibly by weeks, in getting to stores in the US.

Thankfully the digital edition shouldn't be delayed.

[Dlatrex]

Clearly the inspiration for the Voidweaver gunner position:

That aft weapon rule: gives a new meaning to CYA!
I personally love it.

[Thaldin]

Boooo really bummed they cut the high avatar :( cool on the new force org tho

[Mr Mystery]

I'm quite liking that lance weapon. The three settings aren't horrific, but aren't weak.

[odinsgrandson]

I was hoping we'd see a return of the "Great Harlequin" along side the return of the solitair. I guess not, though.

[Thaldin]

I wonder what "The Elder United" means as a teaser on the WD

[Mr Mystery]

New Blood Bowl team.

[energongoodie]

New Blood Bowl team.

:D

[Eldar_Atog]

I was hoping we'd see a return of the "Great Harlequin" along side the return of the solitair. I guess not, though.

Yeah, I would like to see him come back but I'm not going to complain. The rules seem tight and the models look great. I can always say that the Troupe leader with the warlord traits/rare equipment is the High Avatar/Great Harlequin.

The only thing that could sour this release now would be some very poorly written fluff in the book.

[Mr Mystery]

Going on recent performance, I don't think there's anything to worry about in that regard :)

[Chaosftw]

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[Caldera02]

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Sweet so by that description that formation looks not be the only one!

[Andrew Thomas]

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That new Discipline sounds cool. I hope you can spam Shadowseers.

[Eldar_Atog]

That new Discipline sounds cool. I hope you can spam Shadowseers.

It sounds like you'll be able to. They give you the option for 7 elite choices but it sounds like the only elites are the solitaire, shadowseer, and maybe death jester.

[Thaldin]

HMmm I wonder if Death Jesters will still be 1 slot, with 1 to 3 models, each acting independently like they used to or if it is just 1 model now.

[Erik Setzer]

HMmm I wonder if Death Jesters will still be 1 slot, with 1 to 3 models, each acting independently like they used to or if it is just 1 model now.

Some of the text gave an example of one Shadowseer and one Death Jester per Troupe, plus a Solitaire, "filling the seven Elites slots." So it's likely DJs are one per slot.

[deinol]

I'm going to spend too much money on a special edition codex, aren't I?

[40kGamer]

I'm going to spend too much money on a special edition codex, aren't I?

Not if I beat you to it. :p

[Eldar_Atog]

Not if I beat you to it. :p

I think a lot of us are tempted on this one. The Harlequins might not ever see another big release like this.

Either way, I'm going to have to get the cards and dice. The dice would be perfect for my eldar armies :)

[40kGamer]

I think a lot of us are tempted on this one. The Harlequins might not ever see another big release like this.

Either way, I'm going to have to get the cards and dice. The dice would be perfect for my eldar armies :)

My thoughts exactly... If the last gap is any indication it might be a long, long time before these guys get updated.

[Eldar_Atog]

So just to make sure I have this straight in my head.. this week should be more models up for presale and next week should be the gaming items (codex, cards, dice)? If nothing else, I do not want to miss the cards. Not sure why they make them as rare/mythical as a honest politician...

[Nicholas Sacco]

I wonder what "The Elder United" means as a teaser on the WD

Elder or Eldar?
And where did you read it? :)

[Houghten]

Very interesting that the cards are in the Limited Edition Codex as well as separately.

[Mr Mystery]

Very interesting that the cards are in the Limited Edition Codex as well as separately.

Kind of makes sense.

Defo nabbing the cards! I like cards, me.

[Thaldin]

Elder or Eldar?
And where did you read it? :)

Eldar... stupid typos...

Sheesh, just had to find it again to make sure I wasn't losing my mind... though that is up for debate anyhow...

It's on one of the front page articles - http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/02/next-weeks-harlequins-prices-confirmed.html

[Erik Setzer]

Maybe it's a batrep with Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Harlequins?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Maybe it's a batrep with Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Harlequins?

That's what I was thinking too.

[Mr Mystery]

Nah it's defo a new Blood Bowl Team.

My second cousin's dog walker's aunty's hairdresser's Nan knows Andy Chambers, and he confirmed it.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Nah it's defo a new Blood Bowl Team.

My second cousin's dog walker's aunty's hairdresser's Nan knows Andy Chambers, and he confirmed it.

Are you going to send that rumour to Faeit? :p

[Erik Setzer]

Are you going to send that rumour to Faeit? :p

I'm surprised it's not already there...

[odinsgrandson]

Can you really unite the eldar without including the dinosaur riding Exodites? I mean, what kind of family reunion is that?

And I have always wondered if the "Eldar Pirates" that used to appear in the fluff were supposed to be Dark Eldar, or if there is a completely different set of eldar that act like pirates. I think the latter, since Forge World does some Eldar Corsairs.

[40kGamer]

Can you really unite the eldar without including the dinosaur riding Exodites? I mean, what kind of family reunion is that?

And I have always wondered if the "Eldar Pirates" that used to appear in the fluff were supposed to be Dark Eldar, or if there is a completely different set of eldar that act like pirates. I think the latter, since Forge World does some Eldar Corsairs.

Agreed! The pirates are craftworld outcasts like the rangers/pathfinders. Eldar are quite fractured as a race.

[Defenestratus]

Can you really unite the eldar without including the dinosaur riding Exodites? I mean, what kind of family reunion is that?

And I have always wondered if the "Eldar Pirates" that used to appear in the fluff were supposed to be Dark Eldar, or if there is a completely different set of eldar that act like pirates. I think the latter, since Forge World does some Eldar Corsairs.


Those are corsairs and yes, they are CW Eldar on the path of the outcast. They do mingle from time to time with Dark Eldar, but the DE have their own raiders that act similarly.

[Thaldin]

Ok damnit, where are my new pre-orders... I have money to waste...er spend... er... oh hell just put em up already!

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Yup, five Eldar factions: Craftworld, Corsair, Commorragh, Exodite and Harlequin.

[Subs]

And the alleged survivors on the Crone Worlds and Eye of Terror trapped craftworlds. Although it's doubtfull they'll ever be anything other than vague fluff.

[Wolfshade]

Can you really unite the eldar without including the dinosaur riding Exodites? I mean, what kind of family reunion is that?

And I have always wondered if the "Eldar Pirates" that used to appear in the fluff were supposed to be Dark Eldar, or if there is a completely different set of eldar that act like pirates. I think the latter, since Forge World does some Eldar Corsairs.
Having seen some of those cold one riders that you have posted then simple answer is NO!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

And the alleged survivors on the Crone Worlds and Eye of Terror trapped craftworlds. Although it's doubtfull they'll ever be anything other than vague fluff.

Probably best that way, it's good to leave a little mystery and people seem very divided on the existence of chaos eldar too (whenever the subject is brought up)


looking forward to seeing the preorders for this.

[deinol]

Refresh, refresh, refresh. So close, I can taste it.

Edit: limited edition ordered!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I won't be getting it, but that limited ed codex looks beautiful. Wish there was a bit more visual difference between the Starweaver and Voidweaver but it's a beautiful kit either way! May get the normal codex just for the backround.

[Thaldin]

And ordered...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Guess next week will see the plastic Death Jester and Shadowseer as a conclusion to this release. Really excited to see if they do more of these new "mini armies"...

[40kGamer]

Refresh, refresh, refresh. So close, I can taste it.

Edit: limited edition ordered!

Curse you! :) Actually thanks for the reminder... mine is ordered and now it's all over but the waiting. :p

[Thaldin]

I didn't go with the Limited, but I did get the Codex, Dice, Cards, and 2 of the *Weavers, still less than the Limited Edition Codex.

[Eldar_Atog]

I'll probably regret it but I went ahead and got the limited edition :)

Not really sure yet which models I want.. though I'm sure I'll have to pick up some things.

[40kGamer]

I'll probably regret it but I went ahead and got the limited edition :)

Not really sure yet which models I want.. though I'm sure I'll have to pick up some things.

It may be the only Harlequin book for the next 20 years! Plus it does look beautiful!

I snagged the dice tin as well. I'm a real sucker for custom dice! :p

[Thaldin]

I guess this means I need to get back on the horse and find time to try and play again. I've never been much of a painter, but I love playing games... even it's just plain grey plastic...

Hmm school with 2 classes, work and spend time with the g/f... Where to squeeze in time...

[deinol]

Guess next week will see the plastic Death Jester and Shadowseer as a conclusion to this release. Really excited to see if they do more of these new "mini armies"...

That actually surprised my store owner. Maybe they are delayed in customs/dock strike hell? He also doesn't have tomorrow's WD yet, which is unusual.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

It may be the only Harlequin book for the next 20 years! Plus it does look beautiful!

I snagged the dice tin as well. I'm a real sucker for custom dice! :p

At least it's a really nice looking book! Who knows though, if the last tyranid release is an indicator - maybe they will just have model releases like that for armies so they could bring out a new unit for any army at any time without a new codex, especially easy now with the weekly schedule.

[40kGamer]

At least it's a really nice looking book! Who knows though, if the last tyranid release is an indicator - maybe they will just have model releases like that for armies so they could bring out a new unit for any army at any time without a new codex, especially easy now with the weekly schedule.

I'm a huge fan of model releases outside of codex updates. Maybe if this sells well enough they'll feel inclined to surprise us with mimes or some other obscure Harlequin unit in the future. If I want to get really crazy I can hope for Exodites and Genestealer cults... and if I want to be stupid, SQUATS! :D

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I'm a huge fan of model releases outside of codex updates. Maybe if this sells well enough they'll feel inclined to surprise us with mimes or some other obscure Harlequin unit in the future. If I want to get really crazy I can hope for Exodites and Genestealer cults... and if I want to be stupid, SQUATS! :D

Yeah, that's exactly what I am hoping they will do and I also wonder if they will do that for necrons and grey knights further down the line. It also feels like Knights and Tempestus were more testing the waters as this release feels a bit more "full" (Knights was 1 kit, and the tempestus was more an alternate way to use new IG kits) - Genestealer cults, exodites, arbites, kroot mercs and the like certainly don't feel like the impossible fan-dreams they once were...


edit : BLIMEY, that's a long time to wait isn't it?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa207/embodiedscrew/longtime_zpsbzrlwdpl.jpg
wonder when they'll notice that lol

[Cutter]

Yeah, that's exactly what I am hoping they will do and I also wonder if they will do that for necrons and grey knights further down the line. It also feels like Knights and Tempestus were more testing the waters as this release feels a bit more "full" (Knights was 1 kit, and the tempestus was more an alternate way to use new IG kits) - Genestealer cults, exodites, arbites, kroot mercs and the like certainly don't feel like the impossible fan-dreams they once were...


edit : BLIMEY, that's a long time to wait isn't it?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa207/embodiedscrew/longtime_zpsbzrlwdpl.jpg
wonder when they'll notice that lol

4,000,000 quid well spent...