Age of Sigmar Rumor Roundup

[Kirsten]

Yeah, that would be terrible

[Haighus]

Would mean less customisation, but then a lot of wargames out there have little to no customisation.

[Erik Setzer]

Well, the leaked rules (and, being photos of WD, they're more likely than that "leaked" 40K rulebook a few years ago) don't mention points at all. Just basically "take what you want" and that armies can "be as big as you want" but "Typically, a game with around a hundred miniatures per side will last for about an evening."

The inclusion of that last line also suggests these rules are intended to be used for all size battles.

There's also rules for giving a bonus to armies that don't have as many models. "If one army has a third more models than the other, the outnumbered player can choose one objective from the sudden death table..." So, yeah, if you bring an army of Empire State Troops against Chaos Warriors or Ogres, then even if it should be theoretically balanced, they'll get a bonus because you brought more models. Now, sure, you could argue that having more models means they'd need to kill more in order to score a higher percentage of kills than you, but again, if the armies are pretty much balanced otherwise, that wouldn't be an issue for them.

The rules for army selection and all would make sense if every model was exactly in line with every other model, all perfectly balanced against each other (basically, having the same attacks, saves, etc.). That would make for a boring game, of course. So now we're left with unbalanced matches where one side that would already have an advantage in terms of power will get even more of an advantage.

I'm sorry, but how was this in development for two years? It's four bloody pages, and feels like an idea someone would jot down thinking "I know game design better than a whole team of people, I'll show the Internet!"

And can someone explain what "repair to their lair" means?

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Simples each warscroll gives a set number of each unit eg the goblin one give 20 goblins, the human one 10 soldiers and the ogre one 3 ogres, for a game if you decide to pick a 4 scroll game you just pick 4 of the scrolls you'd like and both armies would be balanced. Obviously it may take some balancing a chaos Lord on a dragon and a goblin Warboss but they could make some units be worth more than one warscroll. If you wanted bigger units you could combine warscrolls eg have 2 scrolls worth of ogres to have a 6 strong unit. Of course that would mean fixed equipment in units but at this point I think anything could happen.

You do realize that you're delving into describing a points system?

[Mr Mystery]

Repair to the lair - go home, lick your wounds, and have a good old fashioned sulk.

And if it's Football, blame everyone except the players on your team.

[Arkhan Land]

Yeah, that would be terrible

I feel like if this is true its banking on the way several other systems with fixed figures work, definitely not why I play WFB. All those years GW wasted my time with modular kits

[Erik Setzer]

Repair to the lair - go home, lick your wounds, and have a good old fashioned sulk.

Hmm... Took me some effort to find "repair" used that way. Threw me off and seemed like a typo. Luckily it's not in any of the rules, just a descriptive note in there.

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I feel kind of bad for a lot of people out there right now. There are a lot of people in denial over no points ("they have to be on the war scrolls!") or insisting that more rules are to come and GW is just lying when they say "these are the rules, that's it, simple innit?" When there's no way to deny it left, they're going to be some very unhappy folks.

[Mr Mystery]

We don't know that though. All of that is based off rumours, which may not be the entire story.

War Scrolls we know are coming. There's reference to them. But how they work remains unknown.

There's a solid postulation above, that it'll be approximately 1 x Box of Models per scroll.

Though as things stand stats wise right now, I'd totes take 6 Ogres over 20 Gobbos

[Kirsten]

I feel like if this is true its banking on the way several other systems with fixed figures work, definitely not why I play WFB.

this is it. I have nothing against the Age of Sigmar rules, models, etc. it just isn't Warhammer. holding out hope for a proper warhammer release in August or later. Otherwise, I might pick this up at some point, but I am not sure why I would bother.

[40kGamer]

I know it isn't a popular thought, but regardless of how much any of us end up hating Age of Sigmar after we get the full flavor release, WFB will never die. All the specialist games have vibrant communities that support living online rules and many companies continue to produce models that can be used to play. Best part? Once GW stops supporting a game the majority of WAAC asshats move on to the next great thing and what you have left is a group of people who are passionate about the system and far more beer and giggles then the original community. So for me, I'm going to set back, relax and not give a damn. I love and play all the Specialist Games so I've been down this road with GW many times before. And this feels a whole lot like the Epic 40k (Epic 3rd edition) system reboot... and we all know how well that game worked out.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I don't see people stopping with Warhammer: The Game of Fantasy Battles anytime soon. I mean, you've got the models, you've got the books - and I'm pretty sure that the "9th Edition Warhammer Fantasy" was already released, it's called The End Times - why stop if you and your group enjoy it?