Craftworld Eldar in the rumormill

[Deadlift]

I've seen Orks do really really well. Some dude I played against before I moved took like 40 rokkit launchas in a 2000 point game, it was insane.

I'm considering getting an Ork army just to catch people unawares... they are great fun to play (even if you lose) and modelling for them is a lot more fun than it is for Eldar (where you can't really scratch build a good looking Eldar model from bitz)

I have thought the same, more time spent painting than playing and they are fun to paint.

[Mr Mystery]

If people played as often as they complained, we'd all have a lot more fun.

[eosgreen]

eldar are just cool to me. i like how the units are vastly dif from each other. you look at marines for example...

with "vet sgts which are just the same model basically"
marines with bolters
marines with heavy weps
marines with jetpacks
marines with bikes
marines with hand wep and pistol

eldar are...

guardians with guns but a hovering heavy wep platform and a warlock possibly
teleporting jump packs with special weapons
winged jump packs with grenades they drop
striking scorpions are close to marines style but have the mandiblaster and exarc
howling banshee power weapon mask etc
dire avengers are lame
dark reapers are SIMILAR to devs but for infantry/lots of shots
wraithguard. nuff said

they all get exarc powers which are cool


to me thats why i play eldar. the foot soldiers are all VERY dif

[ShadowcatX]

If people played as often as they complained, we'd all have a lot more fun.

Sig'd. Or so I thought. . . Let's try this again.

[Lord Mayhem]

modelling for them is a lot more fun than it is for Eldar (where you can't really scratch build a good looking Eldar model from bitz)

I'll agree it's much harder,but you can scratch build a decent Eldar model from bitz; I built a Wraith Centaur out of leftovers from several kits, just to see what I could do with them. While it's too big to be a Wraithlord, and too small to be a knight, it is still a distinctly Eldar model. I'll find a picture when I get home.

Gamgee said:

Nope not stepping away from the ledge until I know the codex is somehow all balanced.

Based on your definition of balanced, I assume? Thank you for being the arbiter of that. Personally I feel like waiting until the codex is out and the actual rules can be seen before declaring the sky is falling.
The description from the one snippet of the White Dwarf (which has never been known to exaggerate!) suggests the upgrade is limited to the Distort "Cannon" weapons, which at S10, death on a 6 were already very nasty, but unlike many D weapons are not area affect, so not as devastating as they might be. Better ? Yes. End of the world...not so much.

[Erik Setzer]

That aside, it is worth noting that Eldar players who field the CAD (or even eschew the CAD entirely) can still field the detachments as detachments, you don't have to go with the whole core bit, you just get a bonus if you do. (Assuming this is setup the same way as the Decurion.) As such you (or anyone) can add a wraithknight to their force relatively simply. I'll be at least trying it out with my dark eldar.

Um... Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think it'll work that way. I know the "detachment" is made up of formations, but that little block seems to be like the one for the Blood Host Detachment that includes their walkers and the Lord of Skulls. It's not an actual formation that you can tack on to a normal army, it's just a selection in the detachment.

However, there is the Wraith formation, which includes a Wraithknight (but also the other Wraith goodness), which you could tack onto a normal CAD (with its own Wraithknight) or a Dark Eldar army.

[ShadowcatX]

Um... Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think it'll work that way. I know the "detachment" is made up of formations, but that little block seems to be like the one for the Blood Host Detachment that includes their walkers and the Lord of Skulls. It's not an actual formation that you can tack on to a normal army, it's just a selection in the detachment.

However, there is the Wraith formation, which includes a Wraithknight (but also the other Wraith goodness), which you could tack onto a normal CAD (with its own Wraithknight) or a Dark Eldar army.

We'll see, but I greatly suspect you are wrong. Precedent is on my side with the Decurion detachment formations, some of which consist of one unit worth of models.

[Erik Setzer]

We'll see, but I greatly suspect you are wrong. Precedent is on my side with the Decurion detachment formations, some of which consist of one unit worth of models.

Please pick up a copy of Codex: Khorne Daemonkin, which actually sets the precedent for what I was saying. I was specifically using an example from one of these kinds of "detachment." I also don't recall an actual formation in Codex: Necrons that's just one model. Just being a selection choice in the detachment doesn't make something a formation. If there isn't a formation listed, you can't just bring the single model as a "formation," since no such formation exists.

[ShadowcatX]

We disagree. I argue precedent out of the Necron codex, you argue out of the Daemonkin codex. We'll see who is right soon enough.

ETA: Actually, you are correct. You have my apologies.

[Erik Setzer]

We disagree. I argue precedent out of the Necron codex, you argue out of the Daemonkin codex. We'll see who is right soon enough.

ETA: Actually, you are correct. You have my apologies.

It's all good, the new army building methods are getting more and more confusing. Like I said (maybe on another thread?), I've had to explain these things to other gamers who are confused about how you even select an army now, and what's Battle-Forged and Unbound. All the options are nice, but at some point we're going to need an army-building encyclopedia or something...

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