What is your view on a player with knock offs?

[Dave Fothergill]

I've read all the posts on this thread now I've got approximately 5000 points of blood angels at home all painted and all original GW models. It has taken me the best part if 15 years to collect and paint them as money has always been an issue. Now prior to reading this post I did not know that there where places you could buy recasts of GW stuff so had never considered buying them before. I have to admit though I'm very tempted to buy some of the recasts as it makes financial sense. For some it may well be a choice of looking for cheaper recasts or be priced out of GW's games and losing out on the hobby altogether.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

@Dave buy away my friend buy away i would rather see you buying and playing a game you enjoy then listen to the moral authority chastise you... I know i would bet money on how many laws the so called moral authority breaks on a given day... hmm speeding. stop signs yield signs. jaywalking failure to signal. underage drinking, porn before their 18.... illegal drugs. I could name probably several hundred more moral vises or traffic infractions. I guess those who preach about the law should head down to your local police stations and confess to all your infraction then.... I do believe those to cast the first stones should be those who can say they have not sinned...

[SquigBrain]

@Dave buy away my friend buy away i would rather see you buying and playing a game you enjoy then listen to the moral authority chastise you... I know i would bet money on how many laws the so called moral authority breaks on a given day... hmm speeding. stop signs yield signs. jaywalking failure to signal. underage drinking, porn before their 18.... illegal drugs. I could name probably several hundred more moral vises or traffic infractions. I guess those who preach about the law should head down to your local police stations and confess to all your infraction then.... I do believe those to cast the first stones should be those who can say they have not sinned...

(sarcasm) Yeah! And why the heck not, you shouldn't be deprived of driving a car since you cant afford one! So you have every right to go out and steal one! Screw the Man! (/sarcasm)

Make your own choice....but realize that it is basically, buying stolen goods. If that doesn't bother you, feel free. If it does, there *are* options.

[Harley]

(sarcasm) Yeah! And why the heck not, you shouldn't be deprived of driving a car since you cant afford one! So you have every right to go out and steal one! Screw the Man! (/sarcasm)

Make your own choice....but realize that it is basically, buying stolen goods. If that doesn't bother you, feel free. If it does, there *are* options.

Stealing a car implicates that someone had an automobile which they legally owned, and now they do not because you stole it. The owner of the car was thus harmed.

Who was harmed when you buy a recast FW figure you could have never afforded the authentic version of?

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

Again the moral authority who hasn't broken a law can get on his soap box and preach but i'm a gambling man and i'll take the bet that not one or you can say you've never broken a law. most common law broken jaywalking and driving infractions and for those who don't drive I know you bikers have broken your fair share of laws as well... So please someone judge those who buy recasts that has never broken a law themselves? Until the perfect law abiding citizen can step forward that soap box is not yours to preach from.

[Tudd Fudders]

I worry about the morality of someone who tries to justify theft of a non essential thing as a moral act, because they can't afford it.

But I buy recasts and I'm straight edge, in college, and never been in trouble with the law.

I sometimes mass murder birds when nobody is looking tho.... But there are so many of them!!!

[Dave Fothergill]

(sarcasm) Yeah! And why the heck not, you shouldn't be deprived of driving a car since you cant afford one! So you have every right to go out and steal one! Screw the Man! (/sarcasm)

Make your own choice....but realize that it is basically, buying stolen goods. If that doesn't bother you, feel free. If it does, there *are* options.

Well I've never actually brought any recasts I didn't even know they existed until I read this post, all I said was if be tempted to get them not that I would but money wise on yoymart I can get 5 catafaracti terminators for £20 including weapons you can't do they any where else I know if and new from FW I could never afford

[SquigBrain]

Stealing a car implicates that someone had an automobile which they legally owned, and now they do not because you stole it. The owner of the car was thus harmed.

Who was harmed when you buy a recast FW figure you could have never afforded the authentic version of?

Because you can't afford something, is not a valid reason to steal it, in my opinion. And yes, I think it's stealing, and yes, I think it harms both GW, and the individual artists who create the models.

[SquigBrain]

Until the perfect law abiding citizen can step forward that soap box is not yours to preach from.

Welcome to the Internet. I can both preach, judge, applaud, and ignore, as long as I don't anger the mods.

I don't believe stealing is right. I believe recasters are stealing. You are welcome to think otherwise, and give them your money.

[Darren Richardson]

Recasters are committing the crime of Intellectual Property Theft, they are stealing the designs and using them for themselves for profit, without giving the IP owner a penny, and that is theft in most countries on this planet.

Those who buy recaster's models are buying illeaglly made goods, they are thus an accessory to theft, of course in most cases those who make the purchase are less likely to be prosicuted then the forgers (for that is what recasters are, FORGERS).

And SoR, yes many people are breaking the law on a daily basis, there are many bylaws which are hopelessly outdated which have also never been revoked, for instance in victorian times Black Cabs were required to carry a bale of hay for covering up the poop when their horses took a call of nature, that law has never been revoked, and the wording of the law states Black Cabs, which means all london black cabs should carry that hay with them, they don't of course, but who in their right mind will charge a cabbie for breaking a victorian law which is no longer applicable to 21st century living?

all in all, remember that recasters are making FORGERIES which is illeagal and willingly buying an item which is a Forgery can be a crime....

Of course the art world makes a mockery of that to a degree, with some forgers works being worth more then the originals, but that's a whole different kettle of fish and it's gonna give you a headache trying to work that one out....