"Smash" rule and Smash Attacks

[DWest]

The mace tail as a whole is the almost the size if a space marine. A space marine is larger than a bull...

It is also called rolling a 6 up save, or have you forgotten that that's what Catachan wear... Aka no armor

The mace is barely the size of a Space Marine's torso, unless you want to count the spikes, which would alter the damage profile completely. An unarmored civilian does not get a 6+ or any armor save. Catachans do wear armor, and even if the unarmored ones counted as an example, it would give the civilian a 5+ save, not a 6+.

Please continue failing.

[AlmostMercury]

Or, you could continue to keep repeating an incorrect explanation until the sun goes nova.

This is Tynskel's MO.

And then attempt to reduce all arguments into contradiction so that anything follows. When anything follows, he's justified in saying "You can't prove me wrong!"

Maybe he's better at this than I think he is... hmmm...

[Tynskel]

The mace is barely the size of a Space Marine's torso, unless you want to count the spikes, which would alter the damage profile completely. An unarmored civilian does not get a 6+ or any armor save. Catachans do wear armor, and even if the unarmored ones counted as an example, it would give the civilian a 5+ save, not a 6+.

Please continue failing.

You clearly don't know what armor is 40k is like.

5+ armor is *FLAK* armor. There's only one unit in the world that wear's *FLAK* armor, and that's Bomb Squads. Next time you check it out, you'll find that it's huge.

Second Catachans *don't* wear any armor. They are naked from the waste up! Yet, they still have a save... so go ahead, and keep making stuff up.

I don't know the last time you checked: a space marine torso is the size of a bull...

[evilamericorp]

I like how my one off-hand comment in a thread that was already answered spawned 9 more pages of Tynskel vs. Everyone arguing...

[Tynskel]

I like how my one off-hand comment in a thread that was already answered spawned 9 more pages of Tynskel vs. Everyone arguing...

That's how it works on BoLS lounge. How else is one to get to 5,355 posts?

[DWest]

so go ahead, and keep making stuff up.

You're projecting again . . . you've done nothing but make up nonsense this entire thread.

Second, flak jackets were first deployed in WWII, and they've been widely issued in every war since then. Bomb squads wear ballistic suits, which are a different item entirely, and include hard plates of armor, which would make them 4+/Carapace in 40k.

Third, a Space Marine's torso makes up roughly 1/3 of his body (12mm of a 32mm total on the first model I grabbed off my shelf). Domestic cattle are 5-6 feet long. So you're claiming then that a Space marine is at least 13 1/3 feet tall? Because that contradicts every bit of literature published by GW.

But please, continue to make a fool of yourself.

[Tynskel]

You're projecting again . . . you've done nothing but make up nonsense this entire thread.

Second, flak jackets were first deployed in WWII, and they've been widely issued in every war since then. Bomb squads wear ballistic suits, which are a different item entirely, and include hard plates of armor, which would make them 4+/Carapace in 40k.

Third, a Space Marine's torso makes up roughly 1/3 of his body (12mm of a 32mm total on the first model I grabbed off my shelf). Domestic cattle are 5-6 feet long. So you're claiming then that a Space marine is at least 13 1/3 feet tall? Because that contradicts every bit of literature published by GW.

But please, continue to make a fool of yourself.

Space Marines are massive and weigh more than cattle do.

Additionally, modern armor also has hard plates in them.
The flak armor in 40k has ceremite plates, great for both energy dissipation and shrapnel. I'm sorry, but you have your facts wrong. Modern armor has *nothing* on 40k flak armor.

[Wolfshade]

I like how my one off-hand comment in a thread that was already answered spawned 9 more pages of Tynskel vs. Everyone arguing...

Change it to 40 post/page it is only 3 and is easier to follow.

That's how it works on BoLS lounge. How else is one to get to 5,355 posts?

By being a n00b

[DWest]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. You said a Space Marine was larger than a bull. I proved that wrong. Now you're saying heavier. Changing the question doesn't make the previous answer incorrect. Furthermore, the average market weight for steers is 624kg, while a Space Marine (in power armor) has been repeatedly specified to be in the range of 500kg, so you're wrong there as well.

Just to be clear, you are trolling, right? You don't actually believe the incompetent rubbish you've been spouting, do you?

[Denzark]

There would be a simple in game method to correct this.

S4, -1 Save Mod
S5, -2 Save Mod
S6, -3 Save Mod
S7, -4 Save Mod
S8, -5 Save Mod
S9, -6 Save Mod

Terminator save on 3+ on 2d6. (Squat exo armour 4+ on 2d6).

Sound familiar? For me it is pretty incongrous that a Lascannon, AP2 (Armour Penteration 2) is less likely to penetrate a AV14 Landraider - the best non-SH level of protection in the universe - than a Basilisk. But the Basilisk will allow a terminator a full, non-degraded armour save, but absolutely no save against the lascannon. But then a lesser strength plasma gun will negate the TDA save but will bounce off the Land raider.

This is why I would support a return to save modifiers.