By all means, give it a go. It may surprise us all... Just proxy up the army and play some games to see how it does in the field. I'd love to read some batreps on this type of army. seriously.
By all means, give it a go. It may surprise us all... Just proxy up the army and play some games to see how it does in the field. I'd love to read some batreps on this type of army. seriously.
Okay poor choice of language to say "miss" ineffective just didn't have the same ring:
BS 3 = hitting on a 4,5,6 ; missing on a 1,2,3 = 50/50 to hit
Depending on AV:
14= Glance on 5; pen on 6; Miss on 1,2,3,4
13= Glance on 4; pen on 5,6; Miss on 1,2,3
12= Glance on 3; Pen on 4,5,6; Miss on 1,2
11= Glance on 2; Pen on 3,4,5,6; Miss on 1
10= Pen on 2,3,4,5,6; Miss on 1
No matter what the AV is you are still only damaging the vehicle less then 50% of the time since you have to initially "hit" it and you only have 50/50 odds on that with BS 3 then at best you are damaging it 5/6th of the time, which is 41.67% of the time.
So, you are effectively doing nothing to your target 58.3% of the time or "missing" eat a phallus Grammar ****.
Last edited by Denied; 06-27-2011 at 01:11 PM.
I agree there is a chance that a lascannon does nothing every time it is shot.
Think of it this way:
Lascannon:
BS 3 = 50 chance to hit, 41.67% chance to damage on AV10
BS 4= 66.6% chance to hit 55.56% Chance to damage on AV10
BS 3 TL = 75% chance to hit 62.5% Chance to damage on AV10 (This is why people hate dettas)
BS 4 TL = 88.8% chance to hit 74% chance to damage on AV10
(Oh StormRaven Gunship you make me happy, I wish you were cheaper)
So out of the 29 Lascannon shots you take:
BS 3 = 12.08 are going to do anything
BS 4 = 16.1 are going to do anything
BS 3 TL= 18.13 are going to do anything
BS 4 TL= 21.46 are going to do anything
These are your BEST odds.
You're not the first person to think Jokero Monkey spam could be amazing. Then people realize the math doesn't work in their favor. If Jokero were TL Lascannons then I wouldn't be bothered by BS 3, but as it is they are not. Add in the fact they have to remain stationary and all you have is a cheaper IG heavy weapons squad... nothing special or super scary.
that just sums up everything people have been trying to say
@w7west: look i put my point across. its a dice based game, i have not met a single person who has always hit and wounded for every gun being fired. and yes i was wrong about them being armed with heavy bolters but my point still stands; it is dice based. yes you'll prob blast their transports, and yes you have horde deffences with the h.flamers but , this could be used agaisnt me, how do you know that you can deal with every unit so easily and that with out a doubt you''ll kill it with that gun in that turn? thats all im saying, as long as theres chance; you are not unbeatable.
Last edited by nosferatu; 06-28-2011 at 11:45 AM.
FYI, this type of Jokero/Chimera spam list is called "The Poo Flinger".