Warhammer Quest : Silver Tower teaser

[Path Walker]

Is comparison in that way necessarily fair, is anyone else making Boardgames like the one's GW does with the level of quality we seen in the miniatures we've seen so far. Apples and Oranges?

Not many are going for the level of miniatures that GW are, certainly some are trying, but yeah, Erik made the comparison (as usual based more on his own personal feelings about not being able to buy models than any sort of objective reality) so I thought I'd run the comparison past some obvious real world examples.

[grimmas]

Not many are going for the level of miniatures that GW are, certainly some are trying, but yeah, Erik made the comparison (as usual based more on his own personal feelings about not being able to buy models than any sort of objective reality) so I thought I'd run the comparison past some obvious real world examples.

Ah fair enough.

[AdamHarry]

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[Erik Setzer]

It's not even apples and oranges, more like apples and hamburgers.

First of all, any attempt to explain a board game's pricing with "You can use the game pieces in another game where they're overcharging like crazy already" is just silly. Come on, cut that out, people, we're past that.

But as I noted, these aren't marketed to the board gamers out there. They're being marketed to people who'll say, "Wow, that game piece has a bunch of bits on it! Surely that makes it better than Imperial Assault, because those models don't have a lot of flair!" Or people who'll say "Oh, I can use these game pieces in my toy soldier army." They're being marketed to existing GW customers, not as a means to bring in new people via board games.

It's not just the price, it's also that these games aren't often seen outside of GW stores and the independent stockists that in some cases are forced to stock them (i.e. Execution Force). Even GW, in the past, had their board games carried outside of the traditional channels. You could find HeroQuest, Tyranid Attack, BattleMasters, and others in hobby shops, toy stores, department stores. Can't find these new games there.

It's a marketing decisions they've made. I just don't agree with it, much like I disagree with their not stocking licensed products in their stores (would give a wider assortment of products, and they'd make more per copy sold). And on the licensed product front, perhaps they feel FFG is just doing a nice enough job of making board games that they can just market collections of figures at a reasonable price (especially compared to normal pricing) that happen to have a game tacked on (and sometimes the game is even a good one).

Still, I would have loved to see something like Imperial Assault, where it's available all over, caps at $100 for the starter box, and offers a steady stream of expansions and new characters or baddies to fight. Much of that's still possible, though.


(Oh, and I'm not using terms like "game pieces" or "toy soldiers" in a condescending manner. I'm using those terms because that's exactly what these are, and it seems like people could use being reminded at times, especially the guys in Nottingham. I'm proud of my collection of game pieces and toy soldiers, happy to call them what they are and not about to feel bad about it!)

[Path Walker]

It's not even apples and oranges, more like apples and hamburgers.

You were the one that compared it to other board games and specifically Fantasy Flight Games

First of all, any attempt to explain a board game's pricing with "You can use the game pieces in another game where they're overcharging like crazy already" is just silly. Come on, cut that out, people, we're past that.

Adding value adds value. If you can potentially get two different uses out of it, then its potentially nearly twice as valuable to the consumer. Thats not silly, thats very simple and very basic economics. Don't forget that one of the reasons one of their very excellent and very well priced Board Games (Dreadfleet) wasn't successful compared with Space Hulk, was that the customers didn't want a product they couldn't get two uses from.

But as I noted, these aren't marketed to the board gamers out there. They're being marketed to people who'll say, "Wow, that game pieces has a bunch of bits on it! Surely that makes it better than Imperial Assault, because those models don't have a lot of flair!" Or people who'll say "Oh, I can use these game pieces in my toy soldier army." They're being marketed to existing GW customers, not as a means to bring in new people via board games.

Nope, not true, theses board games are both a product for existing customers and a great entry point for either newcomers or those who want to dip their toe into the hobby, the theory is that this is a complete experience so people aren't feeling like they've got to carry on the hobby if they didn't vibe with it. Again, this is based on customer and staff feedback.

It's not just the price,

It's always the price with you. Admit it.

it's also that these games aren't often seen outside of GW stores and the independent stockists that in some cases are forced to stock them (i.e. Execution Force). Even GW, in the past, had their board games carried outside of the traditional channels. You could find HeroQuest, Tyranid Attack, BattleMasters, and others in hobby shops, toy stores, department stores. Can't find these new games there.

Those games were all made by board game manufacturers with distribution channels into toy stores, not by GW themselves. A bettwer example would have been the 40k 2nd Edtion and WFB 4th Edition boxes, but again, they were the product of trade channels that they don't have any more and aren't worth risking for a relitivly new project like the return of specialist games, which much not sell the millions of copies they need to justify those set ups.

It's a marketing decisions they've made. I just don't agree with it, much like I disagree with their not stocking licensed products in their stores (would give a wider assortment of products, and they'd make more per copy sold). And on the licensed product front, perhaps they feel FFG is just doing a nice enough job of making board games that they can just market collections of figures at a reasonable price (especially compared to normal pricing) that happen to have a game tacked on (and sometimes the game is even a good one).

I'm sure the multimillion pound multinational company is gutted that internet sadsack and fedora wearer Erik Seltzer doesn't agree with their marketing decisions.

Still, I would have loved to see something like Imperial Assault, where it's available all over, caps at $100 for the starter box, and offers a steady stream of expansions and new characters or baddies to fight. Much of that's still possible, though.

Thats what they are doing, just at a higher price point.

[Erik Setzer]

You were the one that compared it to other board games and specifically Fantasy Flight Games
.

Except I didn't. I said that it seemed to be marketed to a different group and that they seem to have conceded the usual board game market to FFG. That's how I mentioned FFG.

"but they aren't really marketing these board games to board game players" ... "guess they've conceded the board game market to FFG."

Exact quotes.



EDIT: Last I'll say to the person in question. Put him back in Ignore, so I won't be tempted to unload a bunch of negativity on the forum. I apologize for not containing myself.

[Path Walker]

Except I didn't. I said that it seemed to be marketed to a different group and that they seem to have conceded the usual board game market to FFG. That's how I mentioned FFG.

"but they aren't really marketing these board games to board game players" ... "guess they've conceded the board game market to FFG."

Exact quotes.

Really, son, keep up. Using bold font to yell only illustrates your problems, like Trump screaming into a microphone. I specifically gave the argument for why the price point as compared to normal board games doesn't work, by stating these aren't normal board games.

Don't care what else you wrote. You're clearly incapable of reading comprehension, Trump-Walker.

Back into the Block for you. Trolls like you I can't stand, and I don't want to wreck others' conversations by having to explain basic concepts to you, like how to read English.

I can't believe how little you have in the way of self-awareness. I am flabbergasted.

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Also, bold is for highlighting important points and doesn't denote "yelling". Comparing me to Trump, especially you doing it, doesn't rile me, its hilarious. See also: trying to deamin me by calling me "kid", twice, just funny, because you're not even close to being able to patronise me.

[grimmas]

Taking no prisoners today then Path? 😉

Well that's definitely a Female Aelf Sorceress then. I'm surprised the skin colour of the priest has gone unremarked I know a few people were hoping for a change in that direction

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

It would be cool if this led to their being 3 tzeentch factions - the arcanites (barbarians), daemons and beastmen.

[Mr Mystery]

FLAILING EXCITEMENT!!!!

Roll on Saturday.