The Force Awakens - Spoilerific Discussion.

[eldargal]

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Saw it again last night, still holds up to second watching

[eldargal]

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Found out some more of the things:

Another female FO Stormtrooper can be heard when the FO forces are evacuating Takodana after capturing Rey, so that's nice.

The city planet the Starkiller weapon destroyed was the political capital of the New Republic, Hosnian Prime. You hear the name in the movie and Finn says the FO have attacked the Republic but it isn't said its the capital I don't think, that's in the Visual Guide to TFA.

[Mr Mystery]

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Also, good mix of accents this time around.

[Erik Setzer]

She didn't want it? Too busy being an awesome General and political leader to get training? Jedi training has doesn't have enough sarcasm, yelling and shooting things for her style?

Being a Jedi, as they're "supposed" to be and not as they actually were, would make it hard for her to actually lead the Resistance, or get involved in anything. Why limit yourself to just trying to be a monk with a close combat weapon, when you can do more for people as a general? She's where she belongs, leading the fight for freedom, and being awesome at it.

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The city planet the Starkiller weapon destroyed was the political capital of the New Republic, Hosnian Prime. You hear the name in the movie and Finn says the FO have attacked the Republic but it isn't said its the capital I don't think, that's in the Visual Guide to TFA.

Yep. And apparently the Senate would have been meeting there, too. Probably not all of the Senators there at once. Even if they were, that would have probably just pissed off a bunch of planets. And then the fear of the Starkiller would have been swept away by its being destroyed (especially by a small force), so all that's left is a LOT of anger toward the First Order. It's likely they didn't take out the whole Republic fleet (that would be pretty much impossible), and even if they had done severe damage, I imagine they have the shipyards still around to churn out new ships.

I'm wondering who has systems like Kuat, or Corellia. The Republic should still have Mon Calamari, and they could probably easily start churning out new warships.

Basically, the First Order just declared war on the Republic, taking an internal struggle with the Resistance and turning it into a full-blown galactic war. It'll be nice if they actually do something with that in the future movies. Even if Mon Mothma had reduced the Republic's military to 10% of what it had been, and most of that was in the Hosnian system, that wouldn't prevent other systems from getting the factories going again.

[Mr Mystery]

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Here's a thought.....

All we've seen so for of Supreme Leader Snoke is his hologram.......

And many have noted (quite accurately) that the CGI there was, well, a bit ****. Especially compared to Maz, and every other such beastie.

I put forward that's entierly deliberate. The Snoke we've seen isn't Snoke. It's just a facade. Which of course means Snoke could be anyone.....

[Arkhan Land]

Lando!

[Lexington]

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Here's a thought.....

All we've seen so for of Supreme Leader Snoke is his hologram.......

And many have noted (quite accurately) that the CGI there was, well, a bit ****. Especially compared to Maz, and every other such beastie.

I put forward that's entierly deliberate. The Snoke we've seen isn't Snoke. It's just a facade. Which of course means Snoke could be anyone.....

I was thinking something along the same lines - Snoke's hologram is *huge*, so I'd almost guess that he's something or someone very small. Dark Side Yoda?

I kinda hope he's not anyone from the old movies, tho. Awakens was great fun, but I felt like it leaned way too much on elements from the OT.

[Mr Mystery]

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I dunno if what we're seeing is actually Snoke at all. It could be absolutely anyone, or anything. Even a mad Droid somewhere - though I hope not.

I quite like the recurring motif. It helps to add to the feeling of a mythic cycle - the same tragedies playing out time and again.

[Lexington]

I dunno, when you're on your third Death Star in four movies, maybe it's time to branch out a bit.

[Mr Mystery]

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Technically 6 movies, given its cameos in Episodes II & III

But that level of threat is very Star Wars. The good guys' victories have always come at a high price. Alderaan being detonated, the extremely thorough kicking throughout Empire Strikes Back, losing a fair chunk of their fleet over Endor.

Such things serve to heighten their heroism, so it's nice to see it back.

And without a Super Weapon and the will to use it, would we have accepted the First Order to be the threat they need to be?

Though having endorsed the approach here, I hope they branch out more in Episode VIII. Can't always rely on familiarity.