Hexrifle vs Feel no Pain!

[DarkLink]

Nice analogy but it highlights quite well the fallacy in your interpretation.

Ironically, you're response highlights the flaw in your argument.

You assume that the only possible way to ignore a wound is to save it. Saving throws are the most common means for ignoring wounds, but they are not the only way to do so. FNP is a perfect case in point. It's not a save, but you still discount the wound.

Now, I know you keep arguing that discount doesn't mean what it means. Tynskel's right, apparently quoting the dictionary doesn't really matter. Point is, though: Nuh-uh.

[Magpie]

Sure, because you think there's a difference between a wound that "is" saved and a wound that is "treated" as saved. I don't see the principled distinction you draw between the two, though. Consider:

A hexrifle says, "A model that suffers an unsaved wound from a hexrifle must take a characteristic test" etc. etc. You would say that a model that merely treats a wound as saved still has to take that test.

The basic rule for unsaved wounds (page 15) says, "If [the model] fails [its saving throw], reduce that model's Wounds by 1." You would say that a model that merely treats a wound as saved does not have to reduce its Wounds by 1.

What rule do you articulate that draws that distinction? Can you state it?

Feel No Pain Page 35 : this is not a saving throw.
The rule itself uses the term "discounted" rather than "saved".

[Nabterayl]

The rule itself tells us to "treat it as having been saved."

In neither the case of the hexrifle nor the case of a regular wound has the save actually been made. In both cases, we merely "treat" it as having been saved. Why do you think there are two different outcomes?

[daboarder]

I think we're done here, you can't help someone unwilling to be helped.

[Magpie]

I think we're done here, you can't help someone unwilling to be helped.

Certainly when telling arguments like "nuh uh" are made

[daboarder]

Magpie,

Treat as SAVED

is about as simple as it gets mate, don't be snarky

[Magpie]

Magpie,

Treat as SAVED

is about as simple as it gets mate, don't be snarky

"This is not a a saving throw" is even more clear.

[Tynskel]

Now, I know you keep arguing that discount doesn't mean what it means. Tynskel's right, apparently quoting the dictionary doesn't really matter. Point is, though: Nuh-uh.

hahah! Yeah, I learned this the hard way on BoLS Lounge...

[Nabterayl]

Okay, look, daboarder's going to do his usual thing. Nobody's surprised by that.

Do I get an answer? What is the difference between the hexrifle and a regular old wound? In one case we have a wound whose saving throw was failed; in the other we have an "unsaved wound." What is the difference between those two things? In both cases we have a saving throw that was failed. In both cases we "discount" that wound. In both cases we "treat" that wound as "having been saved."

[SeattleDV8]

Well , when someone just keeps repeating the same old crap, when it has been proven wrong, you just have to say 'nuh uh'
Really Dude, buy a clue 'counts as' is a distinction with no difference.
Certain items and rules 'cound as' something else, like FnP it is not a save but it 'counts as ' a save if it has been made.
That means it can be taken when a save cannot, but the result is the same.

Your silly *** opinion doesn't mean what you think it does.
A successful FnP roll is the exact same as a armour (cover, inv.) save, so please stop spouting your 'it's not the same ' crap, because that is what it is....crap

Wow they block...hmmm arse but not crap....Heh