A point on prices...

[Mr Mystery]

Kind of a counter point to Gotthammer's thread.

Now based entirely on my entirely anecdotal observations online, there seems to be a certain demograph who complaint about prices, and it seems to range from mid-teens to early twenties. This is also the same demograph least likely to be living independently.

Let me give you some perspective, from my own.

I earn £23,500 a year, which is nothing to be sniffed at. After tax and national insurance, plus pension investment and that, I take home around £1,500 a month. Seems like a lot of money, but it's not. And as such, you might think I would be price sensitive, but I'm quite the opposite. Why? Well I shall try to explain.

Let's kick off with my living expenses.....and remember, I have £1,500 a month income...

£450 rent on my flat (cheap for my area too, but that's by the by.
£432 a month just to get to work and back (I kid you not!)
£80ish a month on food (and that's cheap, on account I make a lot of stuff from scratch)
£76 on council tax.
£20 a month to pay for electricity.
£10 a month for water (yes folks, you have to pay for it!)

So by the time I've finished, you know, living, I have £430ish left.

Then of course comes additional bills we like to consider optional...

Phone bill? Average of £40 a month.
Internet? £48 a month (though plan I am sucks balls)

£344 a month left. Suddenly not so awesome.

Now, I also drink and smoke. Most drinking sessions involve around 6 pints, at £3.50 a pop. Typically once a week, but usually twice on pay week. Lets add that up....6 x £3.50, x 5 (average month) means I'm paying £105.00 a month. Leaving £229. Tobacco, papers and filters? About £40 a month.

All of a sudden, I'm left with £189 a month... All the above costs? Once it's spent, I eventually have nothing left to show for it......

Whereas this month, I spent £75ish just on GW books.... A good investment I feel as I can retread. Same as if I'd bought models. They're forever. The more I use them, the better value they prove.

In short? The price is nothing, not when you live in the real world and have to pay your own way...

[Gotthammer]

Well as I said in the other thread (you could have just put this in there) I'm comparing the price of the literal same items across different sales zones. It's not about total cost, it's about relative cost to itself.


And for the record, I'm almost 30, own my own (new) car outright, pay all my own bills (with zero debt currently), work around 50-60 hours a week, have a 10 year old kid to look after and so on, so yeah, I'm living in the real world thank you very much.

[antennafarm]

Well as I said in the other thread (you could have just put this in there) I'm comparing the price of the literal same items across different sales zones. It's not about total cost, it's about relative cost to itself.

using language like GW "screwing you" is not indicative of "relative cost."

[Deadlift]

Disposable incomes a wonderful thing that soon vanishes when you produce grots, I'm not going to go into too much detail about my personal income, but I can't complain. However as the economy continues to struggle I am finding it harder to set aside 40k cash. I just hope GW don't price too many out of the hobby. I genuinely mean this as I love this geeky hobby of ours and with less people playing due to price hikes I do worry that the hobby may suffer.
Those who can, keep spending guys , I look on in envy as I sped another £120 on kids cloths lol. Still ordered some Necron wraiths this month though

Mr Mystery I envy your food bill mate.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I HATE these discussions. I could make you all feel bad, but I won't, because this type of argument is degrading.... I enjoy the hobby, I'll pay for it.

[Iyandagar]

I HATE these discussions. I could make you all feel bad, but I won't, because this type of argument is degrading.... I enjoy the hobby, I'll pay for it.

Snap.

[fuzzbuket]

pocket money, £10 a month + £0 from adsence.

this may explain why i paint so slowly. (most of my funds are from birthdays/christmas)

[gcsmith]

Games Workshop is ripping itself off. Because now it can't grow. Little kids are going to look at things like the new Chaos Warrior kits and think £50 for one model is absurd. Then they are going to go buy the next COD game and play with their friends.

This is even more true if it's the parents buying the stuff since the kids have no money.

[Wolfshade]

I think GW is brilliant value, my £16 death company has been used in nearly every battle I've fought since brought the box 16+ years ago.
You get a gaming side which is good fun,you get a modelling/painting side which is also fun.

The hobby is expensive, but then so are most other things, compare the cost of going to the cinema with snacks and drinks and you get a couple of hours fun for £10, football matches those tickets can be £50 for 90 minutes, but once you have the initial investment you can use it as much as you like.

If you buy lists of the newest army I can see where the hostility comes from, but I compare the £10 snap fit tactical squads with the £20 ones now-a-days and that kit is easily twice as good.

[Wildeybeast]

A good point there wolfie. A season ticket for my local team (Derby County) who are the second division would have cost £560 (if bought early) which gives roughly 34 and a half hours of football watching with no guarantees of that football actually being worth watching. For that price I can easily buy a whole new army and have limitless pleasure. First world problems eh?