Valkyrie Squads and coherency

[Tynskel]

the fuselage is pretty darn big on a Stormraven!

[DrLove42]

Aye. And the Razorwing is pretty much all wing.

[Tynskel]

now that I look a picture of the vehicle, it is pretty clear where the fuselage stops and the wings begin.

[Tynskel]

Hey Everybody. This is directly from GW's web page on throne of skulls.
[url]http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=&pIndex=19&aId=15000018a&mu ltiPageMode=true&start=20[/url]


How are you handling flying vehicles like Valkyries, Vendettas and Storm Ravens?

The majority of movement related distances should be resolved using the oval base supplied with the model. Moving a Valkyrie 6" onto a table from reserves allows the base to be completely on the board while having the tail section extend past the table edge by a few inches. This means these vehicles can come on from reserves and fire all their weapons provided they did not move more than 6". This is an exception to the rule that states that a model that cannot completely move onto the table counts as destroyed, and this exception is made to take into consideration the protruding wings and tail sections of the models in question.

Note that the base is also used in relation to enemy models, and as long as the Valkyrie, Vendetta or Storm Raven's base is not within 1" of enemy models at the end of its movement, it is perfectly legal to have enemy or friendly models, terrain, etc. underneath the wing, tail or nose of the vehicle.

For the purposes of contesting objectives and embarking/disembarking from a Valkyrie, Vendetta, or Storm Raven, also measure to and from the model's base.

However, when determining LOS to, shooting at, or assaulting a Valkyrie, Vendetta or Storm Raven, you should use the model itself, ignoring any vertical height the flying stand provides. This means melta guns can gain their added dice for armor penetration if within 6" horizontally of the model. The same holds true for template weapons. If in doubt, take the model from its flying stand and place it on the table to resolve such disputes.

[thecactusman17]

Interesting. That certainly hurts Razorwings. I would hold off on saying that this decisively ends the discussion though. GW tournaments are known to vary on rules questions. Anybody remember the 'Ard Boys a few years back where Witch and Daemonhunters could legally take allied Leman Russ Tank Squadrons, even though that was forbidden in the FAQ?

[thecactusman17]

Adding in a new piece here to post an update on an earlier part of this discussion: the new BRB FAQ clearly states that wings are considered to be a part of the hull, and even targeted with a tank shock if you can successfully contact them. So coherency in your flyer squads can be measured wingtip to wingtip.