Assaulting multiple units

[miksaa]

Is it possible for one model to engage two units at the same time?

For example: If I shoot at a transport, inflicting no damage. Could I assault the transport with my single model and in the same time assault the unit coming out of it?

Could I at least assault the transport even do I also end up with in 2” of a unit I am not assaulting?

[Nabterayl]

I'm not sure I understand the question you're asking. It is certainly possible for a single model to be engaged with two units at the same time - the model must either be in base-to-base contact with models from two separate enemy units, or in base-to-base contact with no enemy models but within 2" of friendly models within his unit that are themselves in base-to-base contact with models from two separate enemy units.

In the case of your lone model, it sounds like you imagine that the enemy has already disembarked from their transport when you take your shot. In that case it is theoretically possible for you to assault both the transport and another unit, so long as the enemy squad is close enough to the transport that the lone model can get into base-to-base contact with the transport (which is the official target of your assault, because you shot it) and be in base-to-base contact with the enemy squad.

[Jwolf]

Is it possible for one model to engage two units at the same time?

For example: If I shoot at a transport, inflicting no damage. Could I assault the transport with my single model and in the same time assault the unit coming out of it?

Could I at least assault the transport even do I also end up with in 2” of a unit I am not assaulting?

You can ignore the 1" rule when assaulting.

[Culven]

Assaulting two units with a single model is theoretically possible, but near impossible in practice. The problem is that the assault rules require the model to charge via the shortest route, which means no maneuvering to make it into BtB with the second unit if it adds to the distance moved.

However, most players don't play this rule this strictly any will allow a single model to assault multiple enemy units if they are close enough and it doesn't require a huge amount of additional movement to do so.

[SeattleDV8]

Is it possible for one model to engage two units at the same time?

Yes it is possible, but it is not possible for a single model to assault two units.
The nearest model to the unit being charged must move into BtB contact without touching the base of another units models.
If you have more than one model in the assaulting unit you can use them to assault other units.

[Nabterayl]

The problem is that the assault rules require the model to charge via the shortest route, which means no maneuvering to make it into BtB with the second unit if it adds to the distance moved.

I don't see that rule on page 34. Can you point me to your cite?

[Culven]

Middle of the second paragraph under "Moving Assaulting Models": "Start each assault by moving a single model . . . must be the one closest to the enemy . . . using the shortest possible route." This means that for a single model unit, it must be moved into BtB with the closest enemy model, using the shortest route possible. Theoretically, this could allow it to contact another enemy unit at the same moment that it makes contact with the target of the assault, but it is highly unlikely due to the precision of the placement of the two enemy models that would be necessary to make it possible.

[miksaa]

In this case, it was possible, as the shortest route was in to the gap between two models from the enemy unit.

From the beginning, the Valkyri dropped its unit in front of it each model standing side to side in front of it between it and my master. Another unit killed one of the transported models leaving a gap between two models as wide as it own base.

Then I shoot my combi melta shoot from 5" away certain of killing right out.
However, it was a double one (one of many in this game).

So my hope laid in him charging and knocking it down, as it had been standing still the last turn the odds was OK.

They claimed I could not as I cannot come with in 1" from another unit. I responded by saying that I assault them both, even better for me as the unit had a heavy-flamer that I did not want to have roaming around in my back lines. They now claimed that; one model could only assault one unit.

Is this correct? Alternatively, could I assault multiple units?

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SeattleDV8

The nearest model to the unit being charged must move into BtB contact without touching the base of another units models.

Not saying you are not right, but could you point to a part in the rule that states this.
Would you alow it if I assaulted both?

[Culven]

If the infantry had been placed in base contact with the Valkyrie and in BtB with each other, then I would think that you could indeed engage both units since the gap left by the casualty would mean that everything is placed in such a way that the Master would reach BtB with both units at the same time. This is probably the only situation where the postision of the models would be known accurately enough for this to work.

The "must stay 1 inch away" rule was in fourth edition. It was not included in fifth, most likely to preven "unassaultable" formations.

I cannot find anything that states the first model to move may not be placed in BtB with more than one unit. The only thing that would disallow doing so would be the "shortest route" clause, but this is irrelevent when the Master was moving into the gap, since the shortest route led him to be in the position formerly occupied by a model that was BtB with the target of the charge and his squadmates.

[SeattleDV8]

BRB pg. 34 "As usual the closeest attacking model must be moved to contact the closest model in the enemy unit against which the assault was declared. Then remaining models can assault models belonging to other enemy units...."
The first model has to assault the squad declared only after that are you allowed to assault other units.
The first model is disallowed from coming into BtB contact with units it has not declared an assault against.
It seems to be a timing issue to me.