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But if they did that, they'd also have to sculpt a Carapace Bikini armour. And then all the female models would look the same. Duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by eldargal
Everyone knows that you always helmet up before going into battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by eldargal
Worryingly:
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...e_poll_624.gif
Though thankfully, snap polls like this have very little relation to how people will actually vote.
That's a low one, I've seen one that said 12% and 88% respectively.
Urgh, that's worse.
From the couple of sound clips I have seen I am concerned that Farage really does seem to be the better orator. This includes Nick playing the Putin card. Though of course this is could be my personal bias.
As I said earlier clegg was flailing, and became more and more typical non answer politician as it progressed.
As the only time a UKIP vote matters is in the euro ellections which are essentially meaningless as the unelected commissioners run the eu whats it matter?
Trouble is, how do you counter Nige's lies and racism with anything like fact?
He's a nasty piece of work.
He's a politician, they're all liars.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014...6443185-14.jpg
I dunno.
There's being liberal with the truth, and putting a positive spin on things, and then theres bare faced lies and misinformation, ala Farage.
Clegg was just as bad.
His own government says 50% of laws come from the eu.
He stood there and said 7%
that's beyond spin.
[url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/owenspottiswoode/12-things-we-learned-from-nick-clegg-and-nigel-far-nmzm[/url]
I dunno.
His little diatribe about how all these immigrants OOK UR URRRRRRRBS! was and will always be an out-and-out lie.
You see, the minimum wage jobs? Those existed before the migrant came over. Which means whilst that job was on offer, a 'white working class' person was quite probably sat on their fat behind watching Jeremy Kyle and trying to read The Sun, whilst raking in their benefits.
Those that come to Britain and then set up their own business? Since when were we against free enterprise and the free market? If I have a choice between a Plumber charging £40 an hour, and a Plumber charging £20 an hour, which is the more attractive proposition? Same with other manual industries.
Thanks to the minimum wage, employed positions will pay the same to a national or a migrant, on account that's the law. And if they feel they can pay migrants less? Well, that's not the migrant being the problem now is it?
But as I suspected in the first debate, this is Nick's little gift to the nation. Make UKIP look good, and eat into those Tory votes. Lib Dems are going to get annihilated in the next election, regardless of whether Clegg won these debates. He has however, in losing, helped to erode the Tory vote, and galvanised non-racist, pro-europe people Labour voters to make their voices heard once again.
Its just numbers mystery, if there's 1.5M out of work and 1.5M employed low skilled immigrants I don't see how that's racism?
Its not going to make a difference in the general election, this is about the euros and they're done by PR iirc?
Became a racism issue when Farage defined 'white working class becoming an underclass'
Colour of skin has nowt to do with it. The working class are indeed slowly becoming an underclass due to a number of factors, including artificially suppressed wage levels, ridiculous housing costs, underfunded education services etc.
But that's happening to all working class persons, regarldess of their colour, creed etc. Immigration isn't causing it. Piss poor national leadership and shonky right wing policies (instigated by all parties, not singling out the traditional political right) are doing it. And no party has the balls to tackle the frankly laughable wages in this country.
Because as Mr Mystery says for everyone migrant worker there is usually a native born worker who wouldn't do the job. Unless they are being exploited for cheap labour which is hardly their fault. All the [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10131876/The-truth-about-immigration-its-good-for-Britain.html"]evidence I've seen[/URL] shows that migration benefits the economy and boosts job growth. That's just one article can find heaps more easily enough. Which isn't tosay there aren't problem with how we are handling migration, ghettoisation and whatnot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychosplodge
White isn't a race and could be used to describe vast swathes of europeans...
Putting up the minimum wage will cause two things to happen, 1) Inflation will go up quicker, 2) Unemployment will go up quicker as employers need to cut wage costs.
What would be much better is reducing the number of unemployed so that there is competition for workers rather than competition for jobs.
To be quite frank, I would not trust public services to labour, look at how "well" NHS Wales is doing... or my local council putting up council tax, inspite of their being money from central government to stop this.
We all know that you have to live within your means and so far Labour has not suggested how it will do anything tangible to pay for the extra expense, well aside from the bankers bonus, though I think that has been spent several times over.
What we need is efficiency in all areas of public sectors, I work alongside one governemnt excecutive agency and it is aiming to make 40% savings in efficienies over teh next 5 years. If it were a private firm it would not and could not operate at such bloated levels.
Defining by white excludes non-white. That in itself is a racist delineation, and suggests that somehow white working class are less deserving of a hard time than non-white working class, especially when you equate the cause as immigration.
Also worth noting that white as a definition of race is no more fanciful than any other because the whole notion of race is constructed. there is culture and ethnicity not no race. We created race as an intellectual framework to justify slavery and Imperialism so it's a bit much to get huffy about it being employed against us now. Especially since as Mr Mystery says it is still being used in a racist context in this country. and elsewhere of course. Though at least we don't go in for that 'caucasian=white' nonsense so much.
Thatcher shattered the working class and that is what is causing an underclass and it isn't just white people who are suffering for it because contrary to what bigots like Farage and others claim English/British and 'white' have never been completely synonymous.
I suppose it could be construed in that manner.
Personally I took it to mean the largest group *shrugs*
It's still divisive though, even if they are the largest group. The implication is still that being white or having your British heritage go back more generations than someone else is somehow more worthy. the racist element is also significant because it means that the children of Indian migrants are still excluded while the children of, say, Polish migrants are not.
It reveals the man's thinking.
This is something he'll have practiced and worked upon for a while.
That's a reasonable point EG, and probably would never have occurred to me.
And how far back to we go to establish who is White British enough to not be scum, but a put upon majority?
Mr Farage? Not what I'd consider an English surname.
My names? That's Gaelic that. Does this mean I am therefore more entitled than Mr Farage? Or is it all just a load of old nonsense?
No Mystery, you're displaced scum, you need a nice anglosaxon surname :D
I read somewhere that Farage us Huguenot so his family probably arrived here in the late 17th century.
A friend of mine is Anglo-Indian, one branch of her family arrived here in like 1800. The latest arrived in 1948 or so. she still gets told to go back to India or Pakistan. I was born in Russia, my mother was born in Russia, my father was born in Austria and no one ever tells me that. I'm still English and the family roots in England go back centuries but the fact remains because I'm white and sound English no one questions my Englishness despite being arguably less English than my friend.
Soviet Russia?
Yup, which took some doing in my mothers case.:)
Can anyone name a wave of immigration that had a negative affect upon our country?
No, not our culture, that's forever in flux. But our country. Economy and that.
But I thought they had an iron curtain and everything?
It wasn't a literal thing, you could still travel through it with effort/money/connections.:) Especially by the time I came along it was relatively easy, you could do coach tours and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychosplodge
That is a genuinely interesting random bit of information.
we Germans seem more or less immunized to that by our history, at least on the large-scale political level... of course there are lots of idiots around here as well who tout their racist ideas, but they find it very hard to find purchase as a party. While seemingly everywhere around us Nationalists make inroads into "serious" politics (be it the cohorts of Wilders in the Netherlands, Le Pen in France, your Farage, even Berlusconi in Italy or the anti-immigration laws recently passed in Switzerland), Germany stays free of at least such a leader to galvanize the $#!7heads since '45, if not a certain amount of $#!7heads themselves... Except the EU-critics, who almost got into parliament, but frankly the EU does a lot to earn at least a bit of opposition, and the AfD as they're called avoids overtly nationalist tones where it can...
There's a far more extreme party than UKIP in th UK, the BNP are much closer to neo****sm and more on a par with France's Le Penn iirc.
But obviously they're far more fringe, so don't get the airtime where you'd notice this? Considering the ONLY german politician I could name is Merkhal I'm surprised you even hear of farage.
Sadly Britain seems to live in the War era.
Every time something slightly rubbish happens? DUNKIRK SPIRIT LADS! We'll get the Bosch yet! Arrrgh! Foreigners!
It's really quite depressing. Whilst the world wars are significant parts of our recent history, we have a lot more to crow about. Like you know, inventing the industrial revolution and that.
No, certainly more entitled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
The Normal invasion, completely re-built the economy and unified the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
All information is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychosplodge
Those are my specialty.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Psychosplodge
ftfy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr mystery
Ok, so I'm not entirely up on you guys politics and I just skimmed the thread, but what I'm getting is that as a baby Eldargal was smuggled through the Iron Curtain on a coach tour and this caused 1.5 million people to become unemployed...?
Seems legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotthammer
well, when I was on vacation over in Britain I did notice your news (be it TV or newspapers) concentrate way more on internal issues, to the virtual exclusion of most anything foreign, than ours here in Germany do... you Brits and your island mentality ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychosplodge
and yeah Angie is making quite the splash all around the world isn't she? So much so that she more or less appears to have stopped governing Germany, or at least there's not much of anything coming out of her and her party at the moment (seems to have always been her strategy at home: avoid anything that could make her unpopular here while still appearing strong due to foreign politics)...