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isn't this where the justification for "the right to bear arms" should kick in?
Doesn't seem to be helping a lot
Right for white middle classes to bear arms I suspect.
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To lighten the mood.
Funny that isn't it? They have the right to bear arms to defend themselves against the guvmint meanwhile the guvmint shoots young black men while unarmed, reaching for wallets/phones and picking up a toy gun in a supermarket (while armed white people walk around the same store).
Only because all the natives are in zoos, sorry reservations...Quote:
Originally Posted by eldargal
This is lightly worrying: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28772646[/url]
No different to the sentiment behind Israel being where it is.
Anyways. Apparently, no Marvel One Shot on The Winter Soldier. This makes me a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad Panda.
Though I don't believe that Israel or rather any Jewish state has ever tried to erradicate non-believers or those who are homosexual.
You......you have seen what's happening in Gaza yes? And many of the soundbites coming from Israeli personages? Including one stating along the lines that on occasion, Genocide (yes, GENOCIDE) can be justified?
You do realise that everytime hamas fires rockets.....................................palast inians die.
seems a pretty easy logic puzzle to solve that one.
Its not nearly as simple as that. Your not hearing nearly as much about what HAMAS is attempting because Israel has the Iron dome. A very successful missile defense system that so far has been remarkably good at intercepting missiles before they actually impact i populated areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
No dead bodies on their side, no outrage, no vested media interest.
this doesn't excuse their own actions. Just points out that most people aren't getting nearly the whole story (And his is without even going into the wider political context where every single one of its neighbors has sworn to see every Israeli dead (and has shown a willingness to attempt that goal in the past)
You do realise much of Israel is illegally held land, and they'll quite happily bulldoze away Palestinian towns and villages yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychosplodge
Whole area is a clusterflock and no mistake. Just pointing out that Israel has some disgustingly right wing views. Especially when you consider the events of the Second World War.
Considering we gave it away.
So much of the middle east would be more peaceful if we'd continued to brutally oppress it rather then drawing lines on maps and declaring self rule...
As I said, do you really want to go into the wider political repercussion and history?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
How far back are you willing to go, why stop and Palestinian independence?
Wouldn't the British then have an early claim from when they owned the area?
Ottomans?
Romans?
Israeli?
And thats just the land claim, theirs also the collective western guilt, the Arab hatred and their own sense of racial superiority ect...
The whole things a cluster frak, and while netanyahu is a friggin nutter, Israels aggressive policies can to a certain extent be justified
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In a sense the claim that the western world would not accept similar behaviour from its neighbours is accurate, The western world doesnt have to act so aggressively towards each other because we know how far the other our neighbours would go, in that were a bunch of nutters ourselves once we are pushed.
Its something I've never got about terrorists/rogue states etc...they all claim that the west is, weak, decadent, there for the taking whatever....
...But the west is just BRUTAL once its "pissed off" I mean ISIl can brag about its attrocities all it wants, but its small time compared to Total War, Nuclear bombing of civilians (Twice because we could) and the literal industrialization of genocide.....We are scary as sons of b*tches
You do realise that with the might of the Israeli army, if they wanted to wipe the gaza strip, they could. Instead of sending troops in to do precision strikes, they could just flatten the area from the safety of the sea, sky or deep inside israel. You do realise that instead of droping leaflets and calling locations they could just do a Hamas and fire off rockets without warning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
If israel is truely the aggressor in this, why is it they developed the iron dome to protect their people instead of investing in an offensive technology. Or why it encourages its people to move out of harms way rather than demanding that they stay put.
If you want to see outrage, look at sudan, where the ethic arabs are trying to kill the ethic africans, oh wait that doesn't invovle the jews.
Or Syria, or Iraq the death toll of civilians in all those is so much higher yet we hear about gaza daily.
If you still think that israel is attempting genocide then you either do not understand what genocide means, or you really underestimate the israeli army. But if they are attempting it by any measure they are really quite poor at it, look to syria, iraq, sudan, nigeria to see how it is done, they all have much higher casualty rates.
Dude. I made no mention of any religion. Nor have I said that Israel is the aggressor. Please do not put ill informed opinions in my mouth. They taste funky.
I find Israel to be hideously heavy handed. Not so long ago, they would bulldoze villages where they wanted to build land, and forcibly tattoo local Palestinians with barcodes. They absolutely have a right to defend themselves, all countries do. But there are factions within Israel who are overly beligerent, and treat Palestinians as something less than human. THAT is disgusting. THAT is vile. I have not equated the views of some, to the views of all.
Religion is used to justify so much douchery in the world, let's not drag it into a reasonable discussion. My sole point was a counter to you saying Israel, as a religion specific state, hasn't espoused wiping out non-believers. Some have however decided Genocide in Gaza would be perfectly justifiable, because reasons.
Sadly religion has nothing to do with this. It's just right wing nutters being right wing nutters.
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Originally Posted by Wolfshade
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Hey I am not saying that the israeli's are faultless, what I am saying is that it is far more complicated than a simple case of israeli agression.
But if you were under threat of terrorism wouldn't you want your government to try and take out terrorist cells.
We know that there will always be collateral damage. Look at the Iraq wars, or Libya or Crimea or Ukraine or the Balkans war happens people die.
It is a game of tit-for-tat that hamas cannot win. But certainly, they have a much better PR campaign, after all they are the plucky under dog. One only needs to look at the number of "gaza" images that are actually from [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-28198622"]elsewhere [/URL]
Is digging tunnels into a neighbouring country to perform raids the act of a peaceful neighbour? No. It can be done, Britian and France have not invaded each other or performed raids into each other's terrioty since the channel tunnel has been opened.
If you know that your enemy is going to strike at military installations, why put your population around them? Becuase you hope that your enemy holds your civilians lives in higher regard than you do. That is the work of tyrants, despots and is no form of civilised government.
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Flippancy aside,
No its not perfect, But if Ireland was launching constant rocket attacks on England do you really think the English would give a **** about frances opinion?
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If you know that your enemy is going to strike at military installations, why put your population around them? Becuase you hope that your enemy holds your civilians lives in higher regard than you do. That is the work of tyrants, despots and is no form of civilised government.
Basically this, its one of the oldest strategic tricks in the book
In which case you do not understand that Israel is a state of Jews (muslims christians, others and no faiths), but it is not the Jewish state. It holds open and honest elections, indeed when it was established it was as a secular state. Not, a religious one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
That and Palestinian don't have a great deal of choice in the matter.
And it's the precision capability not being used that gets my goat. Like the shelling of a school. A UN School. One confirmed to have no valid target in it.
Constant land grabs just exasperate an already horrendous situation. In short, the far right in Israel do themselves no favours, but then hide behind a shield of alleged anti-semitism whenever they are internationally criticised. All that does is add fuel to the fire of existing anti-semitism, which is sadly on the rise in the west. It's not at all justified, certianly no more than any bigotry or racism. But certain actions of Israel do add to the claims.
It's all quite depressing. We as a species scrap over slights from thousands of years ago, which didn't necessarily happen in the way we're told.
Ireland is another good example of religion being used to mask outright thuggery. That all dates back hundreds of years, but is still going because it allows organised criminals to 'justify' their actions, even though those justifications are frankly laughable.
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Yet any criticism of it's actions is gagged with a label of anti-semitism.Quote:
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The use of religion as justification easily goes both ways dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
My point exactly.
Thinking of the NI situation, it is quite strange how following the biggest terrorist attack on the US, the IRA's money dried up and they started talking about peace....
The only other religious state that I can think of is the Vatican City, which I don't think actively engages in wars with it's neighbours, or at least not recently...
I just find the whole gaza thing out of proportion in coverage when you consider what is happening in Syria or Sudan for instance.
Of course ideally, we would all live in peace with each other and not have these problems, but ho-hum.
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I do agree that criticism of Israel does seem to get wrapped up with anti-semitism, there was a good blog a while ago it basically says #notalljews, after all many do not believe that israel is the holy land promised by god as the UN is not god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
Indeed. Whole world is getting more and more aggressive and beligerent it seems. I for one wouldn't at all mind if some nasty plague wiped us out, or at least seriously thinned out the human herd. It's either that, or we get our boffins to get some of us off planet sharpish. We've got half of cryogenics down, crack the other half, and it's off into the void we go.Quote:
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[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28790718"]Police are searching cliff richards house in berkshire about an historic allegation against an underage boy in the 80's[/URL]
Oh no!
Inevitable.
Star of yesteryear, pots of cash.
Natural target.
Not to say that there may not be something behind it, but the allegation is not surprising at all.
Only the ignorant or uninformed would buy the whole “land of the free” tagline. That’s just a beautiful dream that never became reality.Quote:
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I would argue that the unpunished rape of women by those in positions of authority would be the same negative behavior pattern as the “justified murder” of young black men. There is a long standing culture of fear and hate built up between black and white people in the US that fuels these acts and having been to St Louis a couple fop times I am not surprised there are strong racial tensions. Sadly racism, sexism and every other negative thing you can imagine will survive as long as there are people.Quote:
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In my mind ‘urban poor’ is the main driver behind this.Quote:
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I fully support the right to keep and bear arms. Many US cities have strong restrictions on this and I doubt very many of the urban poor have access to weapons. Plus, no one in their right mind would even think of using firearms against the authorities unless they were ready to die over it…Quote:
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And they’re not even nice zoos, just what was left over.Quote:
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The way knowledge is stored and shared a large enough disaster could send the world back to full barbarism... although ‘civilization’ is a facade at best and a bad joke at the worst.Quote:
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Gott isn't a dude.Quote:
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Ireland attacked England for decades and we didn't resort to bombing neighbourhoods, in fact we followed a deliberate policy of gentrification to try and stop people getting desperate and angry enough to attack. In fact Ireland probably killed more English than Hamas have killed Israelis with rockets, 28 in total since 2001. These is not a reasonable response to what Israel actually suffers.
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I believe that dude has transcended to a non-gender specific term like "duck".
Maybe but until Gott says she is fine with it I'd err on the side of caution. Not having a go at you daboarder, not suggesting you meant to offend.
Oh and Gaza residents have been tweeting urban survival hints to the residents of Ferguson, including how to protect against and combat the effects of tear gas. GAZANS are using social media to HELP AMERICANS who are being attacked by their own police force.
no,no you are quite right.Quote:
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OED still defines it as male.
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late 19th century (denoting a dandy): probably from German dialect Dude 'fool'.
Oh and Ferguson police arrested som Washington Post journalists for not evacuating fast enough, [URL="http://feministbatwoman.tumblr.com/post/94723920417/koercion-a-washington-post-reporter-in"]treated them roughly and let them go eventually[/URL].
Oppression of free speech and press? I'm shocked.Quote:
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curious if that whole Ferguson affair will make the german news... seems to be plenty bad enough, but it's not like there weren't other things going on, like Ebola making it into a metropolis for several days before being noticed... what a summer this is...
€: so it did get a short mention, but just as riots - nothing about using tear gas against journalists... typical...
also, lol @ our GNP growing by 3% in a single day - because as of today drug dealing and prostitution are now incorporated into the statistics, as per UN regulations :D
also also, lol @ Selfie Toasters! [URL="http://www.burntimpressions.com/toasted-selfies.php"]http://www.burntimpressions.com/toasted-selfies.php[/URL]
I am an ordained priest of Latter Day Dudists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfshade
they don't want to wipe out Gaza because then sympathy would dry up. The Israeli government has zero interest in stopping Hamas firing rockets, because the moment they do, it becomes a hell of a lot harder to justify the blockade, the occupation, the evictions etc. the Iron Dome protects the Israelis almost entirely, the rockets do almost no damage, and in return, Israel can act however they like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfshade
there wont be peace for the simple reason that Israel has nothing to gain from it. they have all of the power, and all of the advantages, so a peace deal can only mean Israel losing something. so clearly that is not going to happen. Russia faces sanctions for probably being involved in Ukraine, Israel murders thousands, creates a huge concentration camp, commits piracy in international waters, and nothing happens. Whilst I would never condone rocket attacks against civilians, the fact is if British people were being evicted, blockaded, walled in, denied basic humanitarian aid, having all of their rights and freedoms taken away, we would whole heartedly support those plucky freedom fighters for resisting, like classic POW escape films.
a friend of mine visited Gaza about eight months after the last invasion, and the place was clean, no rubble at all anywhere. he asked what had happened to it all in just a few months, and was told that Israel refused to allow any concrete in to Gaza for rebuilding, so all the damage done by Israeli fire was having to be rebuilt using the rubble left, so it was being ground down and made in to low grade concrete. the blockade for example allows wooden school desk tops in, but not the desk legs, because they might be turned in to rocket platforms.
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