Rape Trial Coverage Fiasco

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Originally Posted by eldargal

Or you could read something with actual evidence, like [URL="http://drkathleenyoung.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/national-statistics-about-sexual-violence-on-college-campuses/"]this[/URL], with sources and footnotes to back its claims rather than relying on simplistic interpretations of a complex issue or ideologically driven filth.

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Did you even read the articles? Some have footnotes too, since apparently footnotes=truth. Colleges take rape seriously, society takes rape seriously. If millions of women were being raped on college campuses year after year it would noticeable, it would be national news and it would be addressed. There isn't a college in the country that doesn't have a system in place to allow students to report rapes.

If your claim of the number of rape victims is accurate then rape is nearly as prevalent as cancer yet gets a tiny fraction of the attention. How exactly is the "rape culture" conspiring to keep tens of millions of women silent? Violent crime has been on a consistent decline for over a decade why is rape a supposed outlier crime?

Perhaps because all too often the victims are labelled sluts, told they were asking for it, that they should share the blame?

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Originally Posted by Earl Harbinger

If your claim of the number of rape victims is accurate then rape is nearly as prevalent as cancer yet gets a tiny fraction of the attention. How exactly is the "rape culture" conspiring to keep tens of millions of women silent? Violent crime has been on a consistent decline for over a decade why is rape a supposed outlier crime?

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Say it with me now: "rape is not a violent crime."

Violent rape is a subset of rape. Violent rape happens, but like all violent crime, it is in decline. Most women who are raped are drugged, coerced with threats of violence, or coerced with threats of material retribution, like firing, eviction, blackmail, and so on. Others are raped by people in authority, like adults when they are minors.

This gives the lie to teaching your daughters not to be victims. Yeah, she was totally dressed like a hooker when she went to work that day. She was totally asking for it when that guy put a roofie in her drink. Rapists are not ordinary guys who are overwhelmed by lust because of how their victim-to-be was dressed. They are predators who seek out victims and are perfectly happy to use various tools of coercion to create them.

Yes, people of all sexes and genders should do what they can to avoid becoming a victim - that's just smart - but anyone can be taken advantage of by a predator, which is why the weight of action belongs on the predator, not the victim or potential victim.

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Originally Posted by ElectricPaladin

Say it with me now: "rape is not a violent crime."

Violent rape is a subset of rape. Violent rape happens, but like all violent crime, it is in decline. Most women who are raped are drugged, coerced with threats of violence, or coerced with threats of material retribution, like firing, eviction, blackmail, and so on. Others are raped by people in authority, like adults when they are minors.

This gives the lie to teaching your daughters not to be victims. Yeah, she was totally dressed like a hooker when she went to work that day. She was totally asking for it when that guy put a roofie in her drink. Rapists are not ordinary guys who are overwhelmed by lust because of how their victim-to-be was dressed. They are predators who seek out victims and are perfectly happy to use various tools of coercion to create them.

Yes, people of all sexes and genders should do what they can to avoid becoming a victim - that's just smart - but anyone can be taken advantage of by a predator, which is why the weight of action belongs on the predator, not the victim or potential victim.

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I've never claimed that the victim ever bears any responsibility for the crime. Examining the events that led up to the crime, by both parties and objectively looking at actions could be taken to avoid such crimes isn't blaming the victim. I've also replied to your car break in post and about a half dozen other posts yet those seem to have disappeared in the limbo of moderator review.

How long is the typical lag between submittal, mod review and posting? I've tried to respond to everyone's comments yet there's at least a half dozen posts that haven't shown up yet.

There isn't any. I'm like, posting this right now. Live and stuff.

Yeah, we don't do that there. Sh*t just gets posted.

Firstly, Eldargal, *highfive*

Secondly, here's a handy graphic looking at American rape rates. It makes the statistics startlingly clear. It's depressing as all get out.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18as...g/original.jpg

These are two individuals who gangraped an underage girl, made images of it, joked and laughed about it, felt absolutely no remorse... Do i need to go on?

Their "punishment" is a joke. If they were 45 and ugly, I strongly doubt there'd be any defense of them at all. But they're young, successful, blah blah blah, whatever. They need to be in prison, and for a longer stretch than they've been given, but they won't be, because rape culture exists.

As for the rape apologists on this thread:

If the likelihood of rape depends on how revealing a woman's clothes are, the number of rapes would increase significantly in summer. But they don't.

If rape only happens to women who have had consensual sex in the past, virgins wouldn’t get raped. But they do.

If rape is more likely to happen to attractive women based on conventional standards, obese women wouldn’t get raped. But they do.

STOP VICTIM BLAMING. The moment you start to say "yeah, but..." YOU ARE A RAPE APOLOGIST, AND YOU ARE PART OF THE FRAKKING PROBLEM. There is never an excuse for rape. Never.

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Originally Posted by Nabterayl

Mostly I was just quoting the part of the statute that is relevant to this case. All fifty states define marital rape as a crime, often under the general rape statute, though the effective definition of "marital rape" may be slightly different than "regular" rape. In Ohio, the way it's treated is that a separate part of the rape statute makes it a crime to engage in sexual conduct with anybody through the purposeful use or threat of force. That applies even to cohabitating spouses (there is a specific call-out that marriage is not a defense to yhis section). That does make marital rape slightly narrower in Ohio than non-marital rape. Specifically, it excludes the cases of sexual conduct with a person 13 or younger and with a person whose ability to consent is substantially impaired. The first is fine, since you can't legally have a spouse that young in Ohio anyway. The second is, I suppose, more up for debate. Personally I think that sexual conduct with one's drunk or unconscious spouse should not be considered rape absent other factors, but I can see the argument otherwise. I am a little iffier on the fact that in Ohio I can get my spouse intoxicated specifically to lower her resistance to sexual advances, engage in sexual conduct with her, and it STILL doesn't count as rape. But I can see the argument - consenting spouses might well get intoxicated to lower inhibitions, and is that so wrong?

But anyway, that's the law.

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Thanks for the response Nab. Not sure my cold-addled brain fully comprehended it, but I appreciate your efforts to explain.

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Originally Posted by ElectricPaladin

Yeah, we don't do that there. Sh*t just gets posted.

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I have had multiple posts not post directly. I get a little window that says my post will be posted pending moderator approval. It doesn't happen to every post but it's happened.

*I just tried to submit a post and got the same message regarding moderator review, it seems that if I use Advanced instead of Quick Reply the post goes into review limbo.