Mr Mystery is confused...

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Originally Posted by Emerald Rose Widow

That doesn't even make any sense, why would a company do this?

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Because it has carefully negotiated with a number of select suppliers so that they can achieve financial savings across the group...and a way of spending control. Cynically you can cross charge members of your own group for things at a mark up and so reduce your net profit and therefore tax liability, as mentioned in my previous post. It is also to try and stop buying things with a 500% mark up...

The idea is that by only buying from select suppliers you can get benficial rates on wholesale costs, though when we can get the same stuff but cheaper less than a mile away it does seem silly. Other things it makes sense, like our IT equipment is all state of the art dell machines, I'm currently running a i7 laptop for instance and that was well below normal prices

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Originally Posted by Emerald Rose Widow

On the subject on childcare, while that would be heavily beneficial, I doubt it would actually happen. Especially considering often times the cost of childcare exceeds the finances you would gain from having a job. I know many parents that one stays home because they just cannot justify the cost of childcare when it costs less to just have one parent stay home. It is crazy just how much it costs, but then again, those people caring for the children have to make a living too.



You say that as if Gender Reassignment surgery is just as cosmetic and pointless as breast augmentation and penis enlargements when that is just not the case. It is an accepted and highly successful treatment to a debilitating condition known as Gender Dysphoria. Which this is caused by a huge difference between one's birth sex and one's gender identity, which leads to long lists of anxiety and depression issues that takes away from a persons ability to contribute to society due to a list of issues involved. The world health organization recognizes this procedure as a means of therepy that has an extremely high success rate in making these people balance contributing members of society. So please educate yourself before dismissing and equating things that aren't even equitable.

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I think you are a bit hypocritical to call breast augmentation and penis enlargments cosmetic and pointless. For the person that has to go through with these treatments, the mental anguish they face will be to them, at least as important as that suffered by those with gender dysphoria.

Also, I note you are from the West side of the Atlantic. You are not a user of the National Health Service - I don't think Obamacare goes quite that far just yet. The NHS is a service that provides emergency life saving treatment. It is paid for by taxes - not a swipe of the individual's creidt card whilst they are in the treatment room. I see absolutely no reason why, when it is a proven fact that life saving medicine or medicinal practises, across many afflictions - cannot be afforded, when all the things I mentioned - which are not physical afflictions rendering death if not treated - are funded at the tax payers cost. I think the individual should pay for boob and willy jobs and sex chaages, if they think they need them and do not have sufficient mental fortitude to live without them.

This would potentially allow the NHS to fund better post op-care, or the more expensive cancer drugs, etc.

Denzark, saying stuff about mental fortitude does nothng but show you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Imagine looking in the mirror and becoming physically ill at the sight of yourself - not just "eww, I'm so ugly", but actually physically sick. Gender re-assignment isn't a single magical operation, either. It is a whole host of procedures that takes years (along with mandatory psychiatric evaluations) and can cost into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The genrally accepted suicide attempt rate for untransitioned transgendered people is around 20%, that is of course only including those where a fatal attempt is correctly attributed. Gender reassignment is held to have a success rate of treating dysphoria, removing depression and self harm of over 90%.

The old gripe that mental health issues are because the person doesn't have enough mental fortitude...

You know it's not like people who suffer from mental health issues have any physical symptoms, I mean aside from altered brain chemistr but you can't count that as you can't see it you know, like cancer...clearly mental fortitude would resolve that :eek:

Yeah, Denzark, you totally dropped the ball there dude. You should apologise.

In my experience of playing Warhammer it seems to attract a lot of people with mental health issues, so you really shouldn't go around openly slagging them off for not having mental fortitude....

Seriously...

*facepalm*

He does have a point to some degree though, where is the line you draw in the mental illness stakes to spend money or not to spend money when it comes to anxiety/depression from body image issues of one sort or another? Especially in a taxpayer funded system?

But to be fair he doesn't have a point. From my conversations with the various trans people on this forum; they have to pay for their operations themselves.
That's true in the UK too, as I do know someone from my old school who switched genders.

So no, I don't accept that.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and Denzark shouldn't be made to appologise for that. I disagree with him, he disagrees with me, we can have a discussion about it and he could change his mind or I could change mine or both of us can believe the other to be wrong and leave it at that.

I think there does need to be a line in the sand drawn, after all there are people who think body perception issues should be solved surgically, others believe that these should be resolved pyschologically. In truth I do not think that there is sufficient evidence either way. Certainly I can see examples of where surgury does not resolve body issues, and vice versa.

I know people who have paid, and had it paid for, it's down to what diagnosis you get or your PCT(basicly where you live in the country) or something.
What I was getting at was if they fund gender reassignment on grounds of anxiety/depression, why would you exclude enlargements if they cause the same issues in someone who thinks they require them and not doing so causes anxiety/depression just the same? What I was asking is where is the line?

Right, this thread is not about anxiety/depression.

Drop the subject and move it to another thread.