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New Warlord Titan Weapons and Head!
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New Alpha Legion Head Hunters
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New Blood Bowl Scuplts!
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New Ordinatus Variant and other Odds & Ends
Wow, lots of cool stuff, thanks for posting the pics.
Alpha legion head hunters are especially cool, and now i got this in my head :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCtZypwoMKI
Mastadon is pretty badass too and I don't normally care for imperial vehicles.
Are the Headhunters rocking IG/ Inquisitorial kitbashed stormbolters?
And some say that GW doesn't listen...
wasn't sure about Corax's head before, now seeing it painted, I definitely don't like it. is it me or has he just got something in his eye as he's landed? 'take that heret-ow! damn it, somebody get me some water, I can't get it with these claws on'
I would love to be able to buy that backpack as a separate thing!
For me, it's the hair- to get it to sweep up like that, Corax would have to be a) in freefall and b) moving backwards. The pose of the model doesn't suggest that type of movement at all, so instead it just looks like he had a tragic accident involving a vat of hairgel.
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Horus Heresy Volume VI - Retribution
via Penddraig on [URL="http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/"]Heresy 30k[/URL] 1-2-2016Quote:
-Will be available from the Horus Heresy Weekender
-Rites of Wars for Blood Angels, Dark Angels, White Scars and Shattered Legions. Possible new Rites for certain legions
-Tylos Rubio is being worked on right now by Israel
-No characters/units for new legions
-There will be a Meduson character that can be used as a HQ for all Shattered Legion armies. As he is so close with the Raven Guard and Salamanders he can be used in different army lists with the alternative Rites of War
-Certain equipment will be mentioned for each legion such as multi plasma arrangements for the Dark Angels and a special Glaive hand to hand weapon for
the White Scars.
-The Keshig will be upcoming for White Scars as well as a Bike squad (but not this book).
-A new bike has been finished by Blake.
-Mastodon and Stormbird will appear
Further info we have also found out:
-Darren Parwood is working on a new knight (A Heavy variant - Castellan like).
-A new air field display board is being worked on / planned which will feature the new Stormbird and Thunderhawk Landing pad tiles, which is not being released until the Stormbird is finished (which is apparently so big it might go through the tile!!).
Stormbird is currently in printing production. Possible first appearance at Weekender
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Crusade Imperialis Red Book
This will contain all the army lists from Solar Auxilia, Militia and Warp Cults as well as Knight Households. Simply put - everything that does not already have a Red Book available. No planned changes, may have a few rules tweaks but probably not any points value changes. The new Knight chassis' like the Warden will be included as well as the up-to-date wargear like the Gatling cannon.
Legion Crusade Red Book
This is going to be a straight re-print with the latest units like the Leviathan, Xiphon, Damocles Command Rhino etc added. No points values changes as FW are happy with the points values but some units may have added rules or abilities to reflect their higher points cost.
Istvaan Campaign Red Book
This book will see the biggest changes. Several Legion-elite units are having rules tweaks but not points value changes, as they are under-performing compared to newer units. Units like Phoenix Guard and Justearin are top of the list for changes. The original four Legions from Betrayal are also having some of their Legiones Astartes rules tweaked but not massively changed. Emperors Children for example are going to have more advantages if they charge in assault whilst Sons of Horus are having Merciless Fighters changed. The SoH rule has gone through a lot of changes of which one possible change could be bonuses with certain weapons like pistols and other weapons not mentioned, at short range. I didn't get details for other changes.
Book 6
No collectors edition coming. Contains lots of Rites of War of which loads in other threads has been written. One detail on the White Scars RoW is that it will focus on bikes and other quick units. The other WS RoW is shared with the Shattered Legions and represents some of the tactics of the WS legionaries thrown out by Jaghatai for supporting Horus - these tactics are then picked up by "dodgy" Shattered Legion forces.
Specialist Games
Forge World is effectively being divided into three parts all overseen by Tony Cottarel in an Emperor Palpatine-esq way (in my mind at least). One section is led by Alan Bligh and will continue producing all the normal 40k, 30k and Age of Sigmar that we are used to. Second section is led by Andy Hoare and is focusing on the traditional specialist games that we would recognise from the past like Necromunda, Blood Bowl etc. The final section is going to focus on Lord of the Rings. Each section includes the manager and three developers.
In terms of models, there will be a core focus in plastic in the starting box sets that will be designed by the SG department and then manufactured by the main Studio. Blood Bowl is currently in development but mentions were made about Adeptus Titanicus coming back to its roots of a Titan vs Titan game set in the heresy and additional Necormunda gangs made in resin. All of this is still in very early days of development and chat. The new department opens officially on the 18th January.
One final point is that the main GW Studio is not going to develop the Horus Heresy / Age of Darkness as that it staying within FW. This may include further plastics however as FW may be branching into plastic manufacture in the future as mentioned with the traditional specialist games above.
Imperial Armour 16
This is Red Scorpions with Ad. Mech allies fighting Tau on an abandoned Forge World. The Red Scorpions will have lots of Legion equipment like Leviathans and Kharbydis Assault Claws with 40k rules while the Ad. Mech will have a lot of the 30k vehicles ported to 40k without Volkite or Battle-Automata. Mention was made of possible resin Skitarii upgrades.
New models
Corax looks much better painted and close up than he does in the pictures as do the new Raven Guard assault troops. The Ordinatus has been modelled with a volcano cannon and to my mind, looks better for it. The Warlord is getting new weapons - a plasma weapon and a siege claw with an inbuilt Vulcan Mega-bolter in the same way as the Contemptor CC weapons. Head hunters appear to be upgrades as opposed to new kit but it does confirm they only have combi-bolters. The Thousand Sons upgrades look great painted and the metallic FW scheme looks awesome "in the flesh". Can't wait to see this scheme on vehicles.
Book 7
This is confirmed for later publication this year. It has been confirmed as Prospero so get your flea powder ready for the all the VIth Legion froth that is going to emerge. Personally, I want to see Sisters of Silence and Custodes models.
Horus Heresy Masterclass Book
I almost feel dirty looking at this book as it is basically pornography for gamers. Does not contain full legion painting guides as we once thought but it does have the details for several key units and for Imperial Fist players, a good guide for painting yellow. It also contains guides for the two big terrain builds on the display boards like Calth and that looks helpful. Haven't had a proper look through it yet, but I'll squeeze a good look in later.
Retail
Queues were normal but weren't that bad. The HH Masterclass and the release of Corax and the RG assault troops was a bonus. The big surprise was that a lot of the lizardman boxes, old devastator and assault troops as well as some codexes were being sold at half price prior to being repackaged. This was quite popular and perhaps shows a new path for GW and I thought a lot of people were making impulse buys based on this. T-shirts and the normal was available and it was good to see some older designs being shown.
Gaming
Quite a lot of people were gaming and at least half were heresy games which was interesting. They were also running participation games of Warhammer Quest (love that game) as well as the Scrap Demon. Based on what they had written about the event, I was expecting more older games.
Digital Games
In a separate area were the digital games. I only spent a bit of time in here chatting about the new Talisman Horus Heresy. This looks quite interesting and is more of a wargame than Talisman re-done.
Oldhammer
Aly Morrison was at the event with loads of old artwork and copies of WD from the '70's. There was also a lot of older models like metal terminators from the original boxed set and metal Tyranids. Brought back lots of memories.
Exhibition area
The exhibition hall is always interesting and I spent loads of time going around the HH temporary exhibition. Some of the models were gorgeous. The team who put the exhibits together were there to chat to as well which was an eye-opener and interesting.
Final thoughts
It was a free event. I think this needs to be borne in mind. Despite the fact that the HH Weekender is just over a month away, there was quite a lot of information to be had. Makes you wonder what they have lined up for the Weekender. The rest of the event was very quiet. I arrived at 9.45 expecting the queue to be around the carpark but I went straight into the main foyer and lined up there. Lining up to purchase new FW releases was less than 30 minutes and it was easy to talk to the staff. Overall, I enjoyed it as it was more laid back and relaxed than a normal Open Day.
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No big reveal either (unless it was blood bowl)
The shopping bit had a bunch of older kits and books for half price.
Corax looks lovely in person, paint job seems a bit off with pure black eyes, just looks unfinished.
Dark furies are ace in person, a friend bought them and gave me the bodies/legs for my blood angels.
Blood bowl minis look really nice.
Russ is the next primarch, with magnus being next, both this year. Inferno is aimed to be out late this year.
Signus book might not be book 8, as book 8 may be calth part 2. (Sad face)
On the game side, eisenhorn is based directly on the first book but they've opted to streamline it in places and instead use data cards you can read to cover them (autopsy scene was specifically mentioned)
There was apparently some kind of special game related reveal but I never saw anything for it.
Warhammer total war looks pretty good although they didn't show any actual combat.
Give me a resin Escher gang sculpted by Edgar Skomorowski and I will forgive FW for its interminable churning out of boring 30k crap for the past few years.
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For me, Necromunda is all about the terrain it comes with, because it's such an integral part of the game. If it's good - and includes gantries etc, I'm totes in for multiple sets!
But yes. New Escher, with a similar design to the originals would of course be welcome.
Plastic, and multipart. Resin doesn't sound as easy to convert/ magnetize as plastics. Plus if they stay resin there's no way that you're going to see anything beyond the base game in a LGS or even a GW store for that matter.Quote:
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The specialist team don't think plastic gangs would sell well enough to justify the outlay, they're probably right, its why only 2 bloodbowl teams will be in plastic with the others in resin.Quote:
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The necromunda problem is how to sell a game that is going to need a big outlay in terrain, that's the problem the new team have to solve.
Seeing those Blood Bowl Models gives me great hope for what I am dreaming will be a new direction and that the possible re-birth of the GW of yesteryear is possible! Don't get me wrong all the 30k stuff is cool and the quality of models is amazing at this point, just the prices and lack of games outside of just 40k and age of whatever makes the cost of introducing new players a bit unwieldily at best... Using Space hulk models for your 40k army or using necromunda figures as guardsmen was the way all of broke kids could make the most out of our models back then and help attract players into the grim dark world that maybe a huge-scale super $$$ war-game just wasn't for. Hell if Star Wars can come back from pre-crap-uals as it has in the past few months can't GW?!?
As far as Necromunda goes (the specialist game I am most interested in a re-boot for) The box set just needs to be a big terrain set-up with only a few models, instead of the newer style of crap-tons (a technical term) of models and no terrain. The 30k box set is a good example. If you had that amount of plastic but mostly as terrain, they could even utilize the cities of death terrain wall tiles (or at least that style) but with a lot more floors, walkways, etc and only 12-18 models would be plenty to have two gangs and enough terrain to get started. I'd even be happy if they had Cardboard floor tile similar to the ones from the last couple Space Hulks coupled with awesome walls and other do-dads that could be cool.
Obviously to have the super dense 4'x4'x4' block of terrain with crazy tall buildings and third story walkways that stretch from one side of the board to the other like my buddies and I used to play Necro on it would take more then on set,but for a start that would be enough. The original Necromunda box only had three big buildings and couple smaller things and it was plenty to start and get the hang of the game. When you combined two or three of those (and the outlanders buildings) you were styling pretty hard. And honestly many people who have an interest in Necromunda probably have at least a few terrain pieces laying around to bolster the base set...
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I agree with Mr M and Hashshashin, if htey do Necromunda then most of the budget needs to go to terrain, with say two 8 person teams in. My preference would be Escher vs Goliath, traditional enemies, contrasting aesthetics and most importantly its what I want.
It's a better match up than the Muscle Mary's and the Meh.
I mean, did anyone actually want to play Orlocks, or was it more 'well, I've got them'. Such a dull gang.
Gimme my Cawdor any day. Nothing like lots of ferocity and busting your opponents favourite toys when you charge. Spesh that One In A Million Heavy Bolter they'd just pawned Granny to buy. Teehee
Oh, and female Gangers in every gang. Just a couple would do me.
Oddly enough Orlocks were probably my favourite after Escher lol, not sure why. They are dull though. I liked Cawdor too.
Female gangers would be nice, but this is GW we are talking about. Be lucky to see Escher.
No harm emailing them to ask I guess.
Cawdor and Delaque wouldn't need much doing. Given their chosen togs, it's kind of hard to tell.
It wouldn't be hard to keep every Delaque looking androgynous and every Cawdor completely shapeless lol.
Even House Meh wouldn't take much. Suggestion of breasts under the T-Shirt and you're pretty much done.
Goliath would be the only one where it might look daft - but then, they could always leave them as the sexist buttholes who don't let girls fight, a counter to Escher.
Van Saar? Swap beard for norks, job done.
I agree on Corax, the head/hair is damn weird it looks almost detached from the body, the painted version made it look even worse, its by far the very weakest Primarch attempt.Quote:
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However, I really enjoyed the event, loads of good chats, epic displays, and it was free. Even walked away with free sprues and free cake. The own (slight) downer, was stock. I came on the Sunday (as Sat tickets disappeared too fast) and nothing I wanted (bar a missile pod for the top of the contemptor) was in stock (from Forge World) plus the even only miniatures also sold off too quick (guess whats on ebay right now, sigh). So apart from having to 'mail order stuff to be sent to me in 3-4 weeks' it was a blast :DAttachment 16881
I love Corax, especially in the "flesh" the movement is great. He has long hair, remember how fast a Primarch moves, they're a barely visible blur, his hair is doing what hair does, flowing. He's swooped down, turning his head to fire at the traitor as he does. His face (always the best part of the Primarch models, its why Mortarion is a bit of a let down) has the look of utter determination.
That's the biggest problem for me. Words is coming out that they're doing plastic starter sets and resin for teams/gangs/warbands. That means likely only the starter sets would get to GW stores or FLGS's (if FLGS's can even order those). An FLGS especially wouldn't be keen on pushing a game where their customers have to take money away from the shop to keep playing, even if players got interested in something that's barely stocked (one of the issues with competing games right now).Quote:
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If they go that route, they're going to ensure the games never take off by keeping them even more niche than they already are.
Maybe people heard wrong. Or maybe GW's management really is that out of touch with the market they serve.
Necromunda needs to be all about the terrain. Couldn't agreed more on that. With the advances in terrain since the cardboard + plastic struts era though, a plastic gantry system with a hive/city/refinery feel should be pretty easy taking from existing sprue styles.
I've got high hopes and big expectations for SG dept. Let's hope they can deliver...
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there is no reason to assume that resin gangs wouldn't be sold in stores. old metal gangs were, the new specialist games division isn't the same as Forge World, and even if it were, we know Forge World are rumoured to be coming in to stores anyway, so griping about that serves little purpose at this point.
Online Ordering is the easiest way. Better stock control, and can be sold direct in GW Stores, saving shelf space witho drastically reducing overall availability.
FW's been rumored about that for a long time. They also were rumored to be added to the GW online store, which would have been easy when the new software was set up, but didn't happen.Quote:
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If you want to mention the past, we can also note that was a time WD was a monthly magazine worth buying, they ran sales, they were coming out with multiple games even if they didn't have monster profit potential... that Games Workshop is not today's Games Workshop. We can't look at what they did with something then and assume they'll do it now.
If FW's making the stuff and it's resin, it'll end up direct order. That'll kill the games, which in turn will kill the sales of figures, and GW will pull the plug again.
I hope the rumors about resin are wrong. It's all just rumors, but we're allowed to be pessimistic about certain rumors just like we can be optimistic about other rumors.
Well the model is clearly looking like it's slamming into the ground or landing and unless hair should be moving in the same direction as you are I'm pretty sure his hair going back would suggest forward momentum. But I don't know, maybe your hair is different? Does your hair go forward when you put your head outside of the window of a moving car? CrazyQuote:
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Also thank Jebus they're finally going to fix Justaerins and Sons of Horus in general. My favourite terminators are always on the shelf because they're so weak for the points.