Can Trukks ram?

[Cyberscape7]

It says in the ork dex that a reinforced ram lets trukks tank shock and for the purposes of death and glory increases its front armour by 2. Since ramming is a special kind of tank shock, does this mean that trukks can ram vehicles and get the armour bonus?

[Kieranator K82]

Yes. A similar issue was brought up in the Errata for the Ork Codex, regarding the Deff Rolla. It states that ramming is indeed a tank shock, and that when ramming, D6 S10 hits are inflicted on the rammed vehicle. Same concept applies here. Although, might I say that trukks are not be the best thing to ram with.

[Big mek]

Yes. A similar issue was brought up in the Errata for the Ork Codex, regarding the Deff Rolla. It states that ramming is indeed a tank shock, and that when ramming, D6 S10 hits are inflicted on the rammed vehicle. Same concept applies here. Although, might I say that trukks are not be the best thing to ram with.



Does the 2 armour extra still apply then? cause armor 12 with trukks speed can still be somewhat good, not landraider explotions, but still..

[Old_Paladin]

I'd say that it is allowed to ram (as the ork FAQ states that ram is simply a form of tank shock).
However: it doesn't get the +2 armour; the wargear entry is very clear that you get "+2 armour against death or glory," and ramming doesn't get a death or glory reaction.

[artemi]

Of note, however, is that you must have the reinforced ram to tank shock, as trukks are not tanks, and thus can't do it normally. With it, however, they are fair game.

[Nabterayl]

Yeah, a trukk with a reinforced ram can ram, but as ramming is not Death or Glory, the trukk's front armor is still 10 for the collision, which means that under optimal circumstances you can only get up to S6 with a ramming trukk.

[Xar]

... might I say that trukks are not be the best thing to ram with.
Nope, but it's fun.

[Sam]

Yeah, a trukk with a reinforced ram can ram, but as ramming is not Death or Glory, the trukk's front armor is still 10 for the collision, which means that under optimal circumstances you can only get up to S6 with a ramming trukk.

This is true normally, but not always. On a road you can go up to 25" with a trukk, which could make the hit strength 8. In Apoc the trukk convoy allows you to move up to 49" with a trukk, which is definately strength 10. I blew up an exorcist with a trukk that way:D.

[Archon Charybdis]

This is true normally, but not always. On a road you can go up to 25" with a trukk, which could make the hit strength 8. In Apoc the trukk convoy allows you to move up to 49" with a trukk, which is definately strength 10. I blew up an exorcist with a trukk that way:D.

It's true, I watched him do it. It's worth pointing out that he did the same thing to a Rhino right next to that same exorcist, and all he did was knock off it's storm bolter, while both trukks went kerunch!

[Tynskel]

that's one mighty Storm Bolter!

[harrybuttwhisker]

you cannot ram, the ram upgrade allows you to tank shock. Although ramming is a type of tank shock, you must have the tank rule to able to perform this type of tank shock.

[Archon Charybdis]

you cannot ram, the ram upgrade allows you to tank shock. Although ramming is a type of tank shock, you must have the tank rule to able to perform this type of tank shock.

Not according to the Ork FAQ.

[harrybuttwhisker]

Q. Can you use the Deffrolla when Ramming vehicles or does it only work when Tank Shocking non-vehicle units?
A. The death rolla does indeed inflict D6 S10 hits against vehicles, as Ramming is just a type of Tank Shock.

if this is the part of the FAQ your referring to, all this tells us is that a battlewagon, which is already a tank, gets a bonus from it's deffrolla when it rams. It does not say trukks may ram, indeed nowhere in the faq does it say that. This part confirms that indeed ramming is a type of tank shock, however in the rulebook it tells us only tank vehicles may use this type of tank shock.

[Archon Charybdis]

however in the rulebook it tells us only tank vehicles may use this type of tank shock.

I'm AFB at the moment, but I'm fairly sure it tells us only tanks may Tank Shock in general; I don't recall it ever making an explicit statement about being a tank in order to Ram.

[Tynskel]

it does not need an explicit statement.
Ramming is a Type of Tank Shock. If one has Tank Shock, you can then execute all sub-categories of Tank Shock.
A 'Ram' grants the Trukk 'Tank Shock'. That would include all rights and rules pertaining to 'Tank Shock'.

The rulebook has a hierarchical structure (a 'a lobster trap gate system' would be another analogy)-- if no one followed this, then all the rules would make no sense. There would be no order to movement--- you could use Harybutt's example that you could choose to move 8", because of not following the implicit hierarchy of the Rulebook.

[Archon Charybdis]

Ramming is a Type of Tank Shock. If one has Tank Shock, you can then execute all sub-categories of Tank Shock.
A 'Ram' grants the Trukk 'Tank Shock'. That would include all rights and rules pertaining to 'Tank Shock'

That would be my take on it as well, particularly given the Ork FAQ setting just such a precedent. Barring an explicit statement in the Ram rules saying "Only a Tank may ever Ram," I see no reason a Trukk with Reinforced Ram can't perform a Ram. Mr. Buttwhisker seems to be implying though that there is such an explicit statement in the Ram rules, but I don't have access to my book to check.

[Tynskel]

The Ram Rules specifically state that a 'ram' is a special type of 'Tank Shock'. p69.

I find it funny that people even ask if a truck with a ram can ram.

[sebi81]

That's my understanding of the rules, too. In general only tanks can ram, because the rule for tank shock and ramming applies only on tanks. But the reinforced ram grants tank shock for the vehicle and should grant ramming either. The reason why ramming is not explicitly stated is because the ork codex was written short before the 5th edition. So they weren't able to write something about ramming in the codex.