SM,Super-heavies ?

[Pendragon38]

So other than LR & Thunder hawks what other vehicles in the super range? other than IG & AM

[Col.Gravis]

In theory there is'nt anything in the 'current' arsenal, they did and probably do in some cases still have the Baneblade equivilient though I can't remember the name off the top of my head, it's heresy era anyway.

There is the Space Marine Landing craft in Epic also and if you want to go really big the large crawler company monastaries of the Iron Hands chapter.

[Melissia]

Marines don't need it because Marines are a fast attack force. Nor SHOULD they have any.

[Denzark]

Emperor Capitalis? Also the giant tunnellers?

[Col.Gravis]

Marines don't need it because Marines are a fast attack force. Nor SHOULD they have any.

They don't need it no, aside Drop Ships, but that does'nt mean that it does'nt exist outright.


Emperor Capitalis?

Capital Imperialis? Imperial Guard


Also the giant tunnellers?

Hellebores and Termites? Adeptus Mechanicus

[BlackKnight15624]

The Legions used to have Fellblades (Baneblade equivalent), but now their arsenal is almost exclusively (with some exceptions- Whirlwinds and Thunderfire Cannons) geared towards fast-moving interdiction warfare.

[fuzzbuket]

there was also this

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:UnreleasedEpicThunderboltDropship.jpg

i could see a sort of crawler (SC2 cybran?) or knight titan/dread thing

ive also seen felbladdes and a super sized LR :D

ill sketch up something :D

[Pendragon38]

I figured they went to the IG commander slap him up-side the head and said were taking this to save you're a**'s

[fuzzbuket]

ta da :D my first time working with G.I.M.P :D its actually sooo easy :P



http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/fuzzbuket/marinessuperheavy.png



(the tiny red things are marines :P

[Denzark]

They don't need it no, aside Drop Ships, but that does'nt mean that it does'nt exist outright.



Capital Imperialis? Imperial Guard



Hellebores and Termites? Adeptus Mechanicus

Colonel, would I be the worlds greatest pedant if I scanned in a White Dwarf (admittedly from last CENTURY!!!) showing these vehs in Space Wolf/Ultramarine Colours in a giant Epic ding dong?

[Pendragon38]

ta da :D my first time working with G.I.M.P :D its actually sooo easy :P



http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/fuzzbuket/marinessuperheavy.png



(the tiny red things are marines :P

Nice, need L-W-H in mm or in' so I can build me one in the coming month's.
thanks

[Melissia]

Eww.

[Hyperion]

Nice, need L-W-H in mm or in' so I can build me one in the coming month's.
thanks

Holy Emperors' Very Angy Catterpillar!

[eldargal]

Space Marine ego probably comes under the heading 'super heavy'.

[Hyperion]

Space Marine ego probably comes under the heading 'super heavy'.

He aint heavy: he's a Battle Brother:rolleyes:

[Vaktathi]

The Legions used to have Fellblades (Baneblade equivalent), but now their arsenal is almost exclusively (with some exceptions- Whirlwinds and Thunderfire Cannons) geared towards fast-moving interdiction warfare.

Even the Fellblade is somewhat speculatory that it was actually a Marine vehicle. It's only reference is from a CCG with a very non-astartes looking tank commander, at a time with Imperial Army vehicles often would bear Legion colors and markings. BoLS has done more fluff and background on the Fellblade than anything that was in the Sabertooth card game where it came from, and certainly anything from GW.





As for other SM superheavies, in general, they don't fit the SM's style of warfare. Anything they'd need a Baneblade type unit for Thunderhawks will do, and they don't have access to anything larger by design and necessity.

[Xas]

space marines have the same "need" for super-heavy tanks/walkers as tau...

zero.


from day 1 on they have allways had imperial guard support to wield the real heavy weapons (artilry and tanks) and adeptus mechanicus as well as adeptus titanicus for the specialised stuff and titans.

tbh I do not even see the reason why the whirlwind exists but whatever. the thunderfire cannon is only OK because the tecmarine is more AM then SM anyway.


you use space marines if you need hard-as-nails shock troops that get in, kill them and get out before the enemy supreme command knows what hit them or to reinforce your main line where they are needed.

the other use for them is as frontline fighters in an assoult. even the old legions that had tens of thousands of marines used economy of force.

two space marines are better used to fight in the thick frontline where their superior physique and armor suits the battle than sit way back and handle an artilry piece or super-heavy tank that 10-20 normal soldiers could do nearly as good (the stuff they are shooting at isnt hard to hit so you dont need SM accuracy). normal soldiers are on unlimited supply, space marines are not. finally the fights of super-heavies see space marine crew annihilated as easy as normal soldiers so it would be a waste to use them as that.


the only thing where a SM would make sense is as titan princeps because the machine has a big drain on the pilot's mind and the marine training/doctrines would greatly help to resist that.

[eldargal]

I disagree, in current game terms 'super-heavy' seems to mean anything larger than a regular sized tank. So an Eldar flyer and a thunderhawk are both 'super heavy' without being big, clunky machines like an AM titan. There is no reason why armies based around speed an mobility can not have 'super heavies', its just the term doesn't suit them so well. Tau already have large fliers, after all. 'Super-large's' might be more accurate, but not quite as catchy.:rolleyes:

[Daemonette666]

So other than LR & Thunder hawks what other vehicles in the super range? other than IG & AM
The FellBlade is an Adeptus Mechanicus version of the BaneBlade for the Space Marines developed prior to the Horus Heresy. Yes even Traitor Legions can take them. Found on page 49 of the BOLS Warhammer 30,000 minidex, it does have limitations on which of the original Space Marine Legions can use them because of their innate tactics.

Basically think of a BaneBlade with Machine Spirit (the ols BS 2 Machine Spirit), and BS of 4. It costs 600 points.

[Archon]

The FellBlade is an Adeptus Mechanicus version of the BaneBlade for the Space Marines developed prior to the Horus Heresy. Yes even Traitor Legions can take them. Found on page 49 of the BOLS Warhammer 30,000 minidex, it does have limitations on which of the original Space Marine Legions can use them because of their innate tactics.

Basically think of a BaneBlade with Machine Spirit (the ols BS 2 Machine Spirit), and BS of 4. It costs 600 points.

This is very nice - I already used this datasheet in my first Apo-Games but it is inofficial. The only "official" Background for the Fellblade ist found in the Collector Books of the HH an most of the pics there are from the CCG.



Super Heavy is only a term used for vehicles or walkers with Structurepoints. Ranged from Heavy Tanks like the Malcador to Imperator Class Titans.