I would like to Start playing Fantasy.

[david5th]

Hello, i haved played 40k since 2nd edtion and have only played fantasy once. However with all the fantasy stuff floating around for 8th edtion i am think about mayne trying it out. i have a few questions i would like to put forward before hand.

1 - is it any good compared to 40K? i know this is a vague and probably idiotic question but i tried to play LOTR after being told it was incredible but hated it compared to 40K.

2 - Are The Empire a good army for a newbie? I play IG in 40K and am naturally drawn to them.

3 - Is it worth pre-ordering the Book etc now or should i wait?

I know i have been vague but its dipping my toe in the water time.

Thankyou.

[Fizyx]

1: It's all about your play style. It is much more strategic and less tactical. Movement is much less restrictive now in 8th edition, but is still very important. Magic got a HUGE boost across the board, so it is less dominating than it used to be. In other words, it is more powerful, but more even across all the armies.

2: Empire would be fine for a noob. They are not incredibly powerful, but no slouches either. Now that there are two ranks to fire, empire gun-lines will be more important, while cavalry will be much less. You'll have a devastating shooting phase with that army. One of the more difficult talents to master is guess-range weapons, but since they are no longer guess range all those great cannons can wreak havoc on unsuspecting hordes.

3: Up to you. It is expensive, but will be necessary to play until the little book is out with the starter set in September. How patient are you? If you are looking to paint an army before you field it, you might do well to wait and start playing in September.

[Aldramelech]

Go to a shop and play some games, its the only way to be sure.

[kallistosprom]

As an empire player, I agree with both posters above. Go into GW and play some games but yes it is quite easy to play an empire army but at the same time quite hard to master.

Your H2H troups will mostly get munched by most things but they are only there to be a speed bump. Its about artillery and lots of it. You can be very diverse with empire but the average trouper isn't going to do much especially against choas warriors.

Beastmen isn't very fun to play against either - with lots of skimishers (making it hard to hit them) and units appearing behind your gun line, it makes playing empire very one turn loss at times. Though with the new rules a Leadership roll (and muscian) means your line can reform and fire in the same turn. Then you cast flaming weapon on the unit (which can now be done) and suddenly you have a line of riflemen with 'tracer' rounds.

But you have access to lots of magic and with the new rules adding so much, you will be sitting there wondering if your beastmaster wizard can turn into a dragon this turn.

Regements are also useful and now with two ranks firing means when you get charged you can now have 20 riflemen fire in the turn your oponent charged the core unit.

Warrior priests are now more useful as now you can cast again even if they already have a remains in play spell. Warrior priests are great and if playing against chaos, you have the swap stats magical item, it means your lowly warrior priest can take down a chaos lord (it only works in duels which is why it's great against chaos as they 'have' to challenge!)

and your best H2H unit suddenly becomes core when you take a warrior priest - Flaggelents. Excuse the bad spelling (my empire army book is in Cardiff). This unit can hold up most units for many turns as their immune to psycology means their not going anywhere. Their rule of sacrificing themselves to give rerolls in both hit and wound means their WS of 2 is less of a problem. Expensive but definately worth it.

Cannons no guess any more so suddenly empire firing lines are much better plus (i don't care what people say) Volley Guns are amazing. Max 30 shots plus if you put an engineer with the volley gun means with his BS of 4 and say cast flaming weapon suddenly thats 30 shots S5 armour pieceing flaming. How do you like them apples?

Fear doesn't automatically make most of your army rout (only WS1 with 8th) which, at times, is a problem as in the end empire are just normal blokes. Like imperial guard, you will lose lots especially in H2H where your initiative is meh and LD is poor.

Characters are a bit meh, the emperor is a bit average and Gelt is a bit specialist (against chaos warriors with their armour). Emperor's bodyguard is nice to booster your knight's unit as even inner circle knights are a bit.. CHARGE..and then they rout..and die... (after being outnumbered by snotlings)

Main problem with empire is hand 2 hand, especially with the new rules pretty much everything will crunch its way through, which is why positioning is so important especially if you take pistoliers or outriders. (outriders are great with their standard BS of 4 (captain bs5), 3 shots each, S4 armour piecing - who cares that they can't move and shoot, munch your way through choas knights).

Oh and Hochland Long Rifles are the fantasy version of sniper rifles - ignoring the 'Look out Sir' rule, you use them to take out characters in units especially wizards.

Overall it really depends on what kind of flavour you're after with an army. As what Aldramelech said 'Go to a shop and play some games, its the only way to be sure'

hope this helps

Jules

[Chuck777]

The cool thing about Empire is that even if you wind up hating Fantasy (you won't but still...) with a few modifications you could convert all the models over to IG, obviously originating from a more medieval planet :)

[CitizenZero]

1) Warhammer Fantasy is a more tactical/less forgiving game than Warhammer 40k. Deployment matters more, and movement matters more, and if you make a mistake it often can REALLY swing the game one way or the other. They way I describe it is imagine 40k if your models could only see in one direction...it would be pretty different right?

2) The Empire is a great army to start with, because they have a bit of everything. That being said, I usually suggest picking an army that you find aesthetically pleasing...partly because it makes for a safer bet than sort of imagining how you think the army will play.

3) HECK NO DONT PREORDER IT! They are sold out of the collectors edition, and the regular version is going to be readily available for a long while...when it comes out try watching/playing some games in your area and decide if its really for you. (I suppose the only caveat is if you are the only person in your area who plays/wants to play fantasy...but it sounds like this isn't the case...

Warhammer Fantasy is my favorite standard GW game...I love the models, love the backstory, love the game...WELCOME! :)

[Melissia]

1) Warhammer Fantasy is a more tactical

Don't start that idiotic argument again.

[Aldramelech]

Don't start that idiotic argument again.

It wasnt an argument until you chimed in

[Melissia]

S: (n) argument
a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true;
Yes, it was. You, in the post I quoted, argued that WFB is "more tactical" than 40k. I merely asked you to not start that retarded argument again.

[Chuck777]

That being said, I usually suggest picking an army that you find aesthetically pleasing...partly because it makes for a safer bet than sort of imagining how you think the army will play.

I totally agree with this one! I have a bad habit of picking armies that are good in game but don't really inspire me to build, paint or convert. I mean I just bought some High Elves 2 weeks ago and I only built half before I got bored. So definitely, take a look at all the armies and see which models you like most then pick that army.

[kallistosprom]

Warhammer is neither better nor worse than 40k, they are both very different games. I, for one, am glad they are tacticially different as it makes for very different battles.

In the end its all about having fun

If it isn't fun, walk away

[Melissia]

I totally agree with this one! I have a bad habit of picking armies that are good in game but don't really inspire me to build, paint or convert. I mean I just bought some High Elves 2 weeks ago and I only built half before I got bored. So definitely, take a look at all the armies and see which models you like most then pick that army.

Indeed. That's why I asked about handgunners based armies-- that's what interests me most about WFB at the moment.

[Fizyx]

Yes, it was. You, in the post I quoted, argued that WFB is "more tactical" than 40k. I merely asked you to not start that retarded argument again.

Or you could just accept that he was merely giving his opinion, which can easily be construed as statement of fact in the internet.

Truth is, no one gave a damn until you chimed in. There was no argument, no off-topic, nothing to detract this post from the discussion we were having until you made that post.

It is a recurring theme among your thousands of posts across the various boards you post in. It is trollish, it is juvenile, and it is damned annoying. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the post, please don't say anything.

Back on topic: I definitely agree you pick an army that you enjoy painting, not just playing. The thing I like about Empire armies I play against is most people choose a fun theme for their army and run with it.

[Melissia]

Or you could just accept that he was merely giving his opinion, which can easily be construed as statement of fact in the internet.

If you wish to present your opinion on the internet, you should be prepared to deal with the fact that people will respond to it.

[RocketRollRebel]

Warhammer is neither better nor worse than 40k, they are both very different games. I, for one, am glad they are tacticially different as it makes for very different battles.

In the end its all about having fun

If it isn't fun, walk away

True story. I've started a beastmen army to get into WHFB with based on aesthetics. Dont know much about whats a good build and what not yet which is what I like about it more than 40k where I know all about the different armies.