Does the DH PDF rule out allies?

[Denzark]

Evening all.

I thought a thread just to debate this issue, rather than the slagging match developing elsewhere. Let me try and marshal the arguements:

1. Nowhere does the post state the codex is now defunct.

But:

2. Thats what happened with the BA download.

But:

3. That actually changed things - wasn't just a cherry pick with direct copies - maybe GW just made errors (allegedly the french translation has allies in still.)

Conclusion:

Leaning towards an error.

2.1. Haha! This was purely to stop IG mystic combo, its so broken.

But:

2.2. GW can move fast over breaks - SW ragnar furious counter charge anyone?

Conclusion:

Inconclusive - so much new stuff attracts the arguement of broken (usually by its recently beaten opponents!!!) that for GW to 'correct' this fault makes little sense.

3.1. Why else would GW have done this?

But:

3.2. If the rate of sale of DH/WH codex on existing figures over a given time frame, is outnumbered by the cost of a minimum print run for paper, in the existing time left between now and new codex, it is uneconomically.

Conclusion:

This point could be it.

4.1. Allies remain in FAQ PDFs...

But:

4.2. GW is not perfect, they have stated that more will be posted on this matter soon.

Conclusion: Inconclusive.

Springer final thoughts:

With GW having form for scrappy errors and the fact the FAQs have not changed, this could be just ommission/poor editing. But, with some other factors in all it seems pretty undecided - we will have to wait for them to confirm either way in the further posts they alluded to.

In the mean time, to let your opponents use hardcopy codex in the interim seems fair, or at least dice for the right prior to GW clear-up teams. (PS don't hold your breath.)

[BuFFo]

Anyone who says no needs to simply find where GW states that I must throw away my codex and use the .pdf as a replacement.

Until then, if any opponent wishes for me to not use allies, they can give me the money I paid for for my codex, and I will probably still use allies anyway.

[imperialsavant]

:rolleyes: Well in MHO all GW has done is print some of the pages from the Codex to PDF format as the Codexs (WH & DH) are no longer available in hard copy format.

GW have NOT updated these Codexs, there are no revisions to points cost for Vehicles etc & the rules are the same so why would anyone think the rest of the Codex has been changed. All they have done is condense the thing so the PDF file was not Mega-Mega bites big.
I guess they thought to make the details of models, points etc available to anyone wanting the Codex but unable to buy one.
They could have made everything Black & White by just saying the Codex still applies in its entirity but we have made available the KEY parts in PDF for anyone who wants it! :(

[BuFFo]

Agreed.

[Melissia]

When asked, GW has consistently responded that you should use the physical copy if you have it.

[Force21]

When asked, GW has consistently responded that you should use the physical copy if you have it.

Thank the Emperor I have one...


I love me Grey Knight Terminators. :D


but if GW say no Allies I will be sad...:(

[fuzzbuket]

some one on a blog had a email from GW saying you COULD and it was a mistake :P (to leave out pages )

[Denzark]

some one on a blog had a email from GW saying you COULD and it was a mistake :P (to leave out pages )

OK fuzzy my caledonian friend give us a link will you...

[miteyheroes]

Anyone who says no needs to simply find where GW states that I must throw away my codex and use the .pdf as a replacement.

Until then, if any opponent wishes for me to not use allies, they can give me the money I paid for for my codex, and I will probably still use allies anyway.

New codices replace old codices. Chaos Space Marines must use the most recent codex, not the one where Iron Warriors had 4 Heavy Support choices.

In the same way, DH and WH must use the new codices not the old ones.

I'd say Allies and the funky DH opponent rules are fine in friendly games and apocalypse, but not in tournaments.

[eldargal]

They aren't new, they are just pdfs available for free. And yes, the allies section was left out by accident, its been reported repeatedly and SilasHand just quoted the email in the rumour section.


New codices replace old codices. Chaos Space Marines must use the most recent codex, not the one where Iron Warriors had 4 Heavy Support choices.

In the same way, DH and WH must use the new codices not the old ones.

[miteyheroes]

Hmm, fair enough. I'm still amazed that tournaments allow allied DH and WH- I've only been to 2 events at Nottingham, but both of them didn't allow DH & WH in SM or Guard armies. And that was shortly after their official release when they were widely available and being pushed in White Dwarf, years before this whole .pdf kerfuffle...

[Melissia]

New codices replace old codices.Yes. Tell me when we get a new codex.

[BuFFo]

New codices replace old codices. Chaos Space Marines must use the most recent codex, not the one where Iron Warriors had 4 Heavy Support choices.

In the same way, DH and WH must use the new codices not the old ones.

I'd say Allies and the funky DH opponent rules are fine in friendly games and apocalypse, but not in tournaments.

Show me where they are new? Post me a link where GW says these are new, updated, and made to replace the 'previous' version.

Post. Me. A. Link.

If my store gets a new shipment of Blood Angel codices, then mine is no longer valid because the new shipment is newer?

[Lerra]

The copyright date on the DH PDF is 2002. The copyright date on the printed codex is also 2002.

The PDF is not a new anything - it's just a copy.

For the Blood Angels, the PDF was copyrighted 2007 (newer than the printed codex), plus it was stated on the first page that it was "revised and updated for 5th edition."

[The Mystic]

Just checked the pdf for WH on the UK site and the section on inducting has been removed and the printing date is now December 2004. :confused:

[Lerra]

The 2002 date is for the DH codex. Sorry that I was unclear. I don't have a copy of the WH codex, but I'm pretty sure it's newer than the DH codex, so that 2004 date is probably normal.

[The Mystic]

No harm done. ;)

However it is strange that the WH pdf has now been altered to remove inducting.

[PedroKantor]

However it is strange that the WH pdf has now been altered to remove inducting.

I agree... the did not leave the inducting part out.. they purposely (IMO) placed new images on the boxes where allies were before...
i just think its a sign of things to come when they do finally release "NEW" codex's.

[HsojVvad]

I guess this is nothing new, and I posted it in the other forum of same topic. I read this in the codex so if allies is gone, why is this still in the codex? Page 2 of the PDF DH codex:

Another strength of the Daemonhunters army list is the ease with
which it can be integrated with existing armies. If you already
have an Imperial army such as the Space Marines or Imperial
Guard, it can easily be incorporated into the Daemonhunters list.

So if allies is gone, why is this part still in the codex?

[The Mystic]

It says pretty much the same in the WH pdf.

[mysterex]

No harm done. ;)

However it is strange that the WH pdf has now been altered to remove inducting.

I just noticed that. When I saved and downloaded the WH Codex from the GW site yesterday page 16 had the inducted guard/allied space marine rules.

The version on their site now has a reworked version of page 16 with these rules removed. This seems to contradict the email out of GW stating that the missing pages were just a mistake.

I've change my mind - the pdfs are intended to be replacement codex, however they have been so poorly executed that the DH one at least is largely unplayable due to the omissions.

I'm really annoyed as my radical DH army has just become invalid just like the Lost & the Damned army I had before it. At least I've never owned any squats.

[Melissia]

They aren't a replacement to me. That's what really matters, as I couldn't give two ****s about what TOs think :P

[MightyOrang]

RAWR + total absence of allies rules from codex pdfs = gone IMHO.

[MightyOrang]

:rolleyes: Well in MHO all GW has done is print some of the pages from the Codex to PDF format as the Codexs (WH & DH) are no longer available in hard copy format.

GW have NOT updated these Codexs, there are no revisions to points cost for Vehicles etc & the rules are the same so why would anyone think the rest of the Codex has been changed. All they have done is condense the thing so the PDF file was not Mega-Mega bites big.
I guess they thought to make the details of models, points etc available to anyone wanting the Codex but unable to buy one.
They could have made everything Black & White by just saying the Codex still applies in its entirety but we have made available the KEY parts in PDF for anyone who wants it! :(

That's quite plausible, but why cut out that ONE page in each codex where it discusses allies? as incompetent as GW tends to be with its updates, this is too direct to me to simply be coincidence.

(and i have no dog in this fight, since my beer and pretzels gaming group doesn't play IG with embedded Inquisitor mystic spam)

[RocketRollRebel]

Why. Why cant things be released with out gaping rules holes that cause mass spontaneous head explosions?! This shouldn't be an issue at all yet it somehow ended up one. :confused:

[HsojVvad]

Why. Why cant things be released with out gaping rules holes that cause mass spontaneous head explosions?! This shouldn't be an issue at all yet it somehow ended up one. :confused:

So true. Just do what I do, don't think of GW as a proffesional company anymore and expect them to screw up. This way less head explosions.

[BlackKnight15624]

Just a heads up- I emailed customer service and got a response from John Hollingsworth- I'll just quote the email response:

"The new PDF is NOT officially replacing the paper copy! Also the allies rules missing from the PDF is actually a mistake. They should still be present and hopefully we will have that fixed soon.

Thanks!

John Hollingsworth

Customer Service Specialist"

[Melissia]

RAWR + total absence of allies rules from codex pdfs = gone IMHO.

Good thing I play by RAW not RAWR.

[RealGenius]

Did anyone else notice the WH codex is new as of this morning?

No more Inducted IG or SM (that was previously on pg 16).

[RocketRollRebel]

You know I've never looked into the inq for my IG army since 5th and the new dex. I used to use one with a big *** retinue to sit in my gun line back in 4th but haven't pulled them out since I sold my old GK army. All this talk about them is making me think of taking them out for a spin again. :p

[TheBitzBarn]

I just noticed that. When I saved and downloaded the WH Codex from the GW site yesterday page 16 had the inducted guard/allied space marine rules.

The version on their site now has a reworked version of page 16 with these rules removed. This seems to contradict the email out of GW stating that the missing pages were just a mistake.

I've change my mind - the pdfs are intended to be replacement codex, however they have been so poorly executed that the DH one at least is largely unplayable due to the omissions.

I'm really annoyed as my radical DH army has just become invalid just like the Lost & the Damned army I had before it. At least I've never owned any squats.

Well I do not think it makes that you have changed your mind untill the PDF says "revised" then my codex that is in my hands is still the current one Period

[mysterex]

Just a heads up- I emailed customer service and got a response from John Hollingsworth- I'll just quote the email response:

"The new PDF is NOT officially replacing the paper copy! Also the allies rules missing from the PDF is actually a mistake. They should still be present and hopefully we will have that fixed soon.

Thanks!

John Hollingsworth

Customer Service Specialist"

Except that's not exactly true. The pages with the inducted guard/allied space marines from the DH codex have had the rules removed and replaced with illustrations in the pdf. Similarly despite originally including these rules in the WH pdf they took in down within two days and replaced it with a version that have the rules removed.

If you don't believe me compare pages 18-19 of the DH pdf and page 16 of the WH pdf to your shop bought copies. They're different. Making changes to the original pages shows some form of intent.

Being generous, what I think is happening is that the pdf's were released for people wanting to start new armies and didn't have the codex. The allies/inducted rules will be gone from the next edition and so they took them out so that people starting new armies didn't buy these figures and then complain about not getting to use them when the new codex came out.

However they also recognise that people who already have these armies and a codex may have allied/inducted troops and so are saying that the original codex is still valid so that existing players can keep using their armies until the new codex come out.

Hence all the mixed messages.

[the jeske]

Being generous, what I think is happening is that the pdf's were released for people wanting to start new armies and didn't have the codex.
how can that be true if both model lines were pulled out of shops ?

[TheBitzBarn]

The models are still available form Direct Order

[BuFFo]

What is amazing is that there are 8 threads on this same subject, spread out over 4 different forums here, and they have yet to be merged or closed.

[the jeske]

The models are still available form Direct Order
oh yes and when the WH/DH are not even named in the books Gw makes[the whole forces ofthe empire thing] , a new guy is like totaly going to think . "Nah there must be some other army then the ones GW has in their shops . some hide army I can start to play" .

[HsojVvad]

Well I do not think it makes that you have changed your mind untill the PDF says "revised" then my codex that is in my hands is still the current one Period

Agreed, unless it says "Revised" then then the paper codex is just as offical and is not replaced.


What is amazing is that there are 8 threads on this same subject, spread out over 4 different forums here, and they have yet to be merged or closed.

I was going to say this as well. I am shocked. I just thought it was 4 threads over 3 different forums. I must have missed a forum LOL.

[daboarder]

some more fuel for the fire, they chopped DH's again and removed the special rules page that contained shrouding and such.....CMON!

[HsojVvad]

some more fuel for the fire, they chopped DH's again and removed the special rules page that contained shrouding and such.....CMON!

So how can your remove rules now and not give point decreases for them now?

Can someone please tell me what rules the Grey Knight Terminators are suppose to fallow on page 8 please?

I guess the PDF DH and WH codex are invlaid because there is just too many mistakes in them to be used.

[RealGenius]

some more fuel for the fire, they chopped DH's again and removed the special rules page that contained shrouding and such.....CMON!

These special GK rules are on the very last page of the PDF (or whatever that page is that shows all the weapon and vehicle summaries.)

[miteyheroes]

Agreed, unless it says "Revised" then then the paper codex is just as offical and is not replaced.

Really? My 5th ed Blood Angels codex doesn't say "Revised" on it. Does this mean my pdf Blood Angels codex is still official? Or my 3rd ed Blood Angels codex? Or my 2nd ed Angels of Death book?

I think GW has made a complete shambles of this release, but I also think that given the trend in updates since the download was put up (Inducted troops have been removed as well as the allies rules; foreign versions have also had their allies and inducted troops removed) it's seeming more and more likely that allies & inducted troops are gone.
Mind you, some things argue against that. I doubt the Grey Knights are meant to have lost their special rules, for example- but now the special rules are only on the final page.

But why would they release the pdf *without* the allies and induction? I can't think of any reason why, unless they're trying to get rid of allies and induction?

So hopefully GW will put out an official announcement at some point? They really need to clear things up!

[Torcano]

This debate should be over. Where are the mods?

This is no question, no doubt, no wondering at all.

ALLIES ARE IN

They don't change rules in just ONE language. It was a mistake. This so blatantly obvious, anyone who thought differently should really consider if they have a mental handicap.

GW confirmed anyway, for those too insane to realize:

"The new PDF is up for the people who do not have access to buy the codex anymore. The missing Alies section in the U.S format is indeed a mistake. And whichever one the tournament/event organizer says to use is the one that we have to abide by. I know that for our tournaments we will be using the Physical codex and NOT the PDF. I hope this helps!

Thanks!


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[miteyheroes]

They don't change rules in just ONE language. It was a mistake. This so blatantly obvious, anyone who thought differently should really consider if they have a mental handicap.

If it was a mistake, why did they produce an amended English version in which inducted troops were also removed? Why did they produce amended foreign versions with no allies or inducted troops?

I agree that the argument "But the French PDF allows allies" seemed a good one several days ago. But since then they removed the allies from the French PDF. This changes things. Now it's looking less and less like a mistake, and more like a deliberate move.

Unlike you I'm not going to resort to name-calling (as it's against rule 6 (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/faq.php?faq=termsmaster#faq_termsuse)), but surely you can see that this isn't a "blatantly obvious" situation?


GW confirmed anyway, for those too insane to realize:

"The new PDF is up for the people who do not have access to buy the codex anymore. The missing Alies section in the U.S format is indeed a mistake. And whichever one the tournament/event organizer says to use is the one that we have to abide by. I know that for our tournaments we will be using the Physical codex and NOT the PDF. I hope this helps!

GW Customer Service are not GW Games Developers. Very important thing to note, that. GW's Customer Service is not an official source of rules information, just like GW's Cleaners are not official sources of rules information.

[eldargal]

Oh, for heavens sake. Allies are in, nothing has changed. The End.

[HsojVvad]

Really? My 5th ed Blood Angels codex doesn't say "Revised" on it. Does this mean my pdf Blood Angels codex is still official? Or my 3rd ed Blood Angels codex? Or my 2nd ed Angels of Death book?

I think GW has made a complete shambles of this release, but I also think that given the trend in updates since the download was put up (Inducted troops have been removed as well as the allies rules; foreign versions have also had their allies and inducted troops removed) it's seeming more and more likely that allies & inducted troops are gone.
Mind you, some things argue against that. I doubt the Grey Knights are meant to have lost their special rules, for example- but now the special rules are only on the final page.

But why would they release the pdf *without* the allies and induction? I can't think of any reason why, unless they're trying to get rid of allies and induction?

So hopefully GW will put out an official announcement at some point? They really need to clear things up!

Now you just trying to mock me or make me look foolish? I can make myself look foolish enough thank you very much. :D

So you do not understand the difference between 3rd edtion codex or 4th edtion codex or 5th edtion codex? I think you need alot more help than I do, and I think there are better people who can help you better than I.

So I will try to make you understand. Lets see, GW made a 3rd edtion codex. If I am not mistaken, when I bought a 3rd edtion codex of Dark Eldar, it said revised on it because it was the 2nd printing and had things in it that was changed. This would mean this edtion supercedes the 1st edton printing of the 3rd edtion Dark Eldar codex.

How does this apply to DH and WH codex? Well they just released a PDF codex of WH and DH that dosn't go by the book that was in print. If this book is to be offically replace the paper codex it would say revised 3rd edtion DH or WH codex.

Since it dosn't say that, it dosn't replace the paper codex. This is not the 5th edtion DH or WH codex so dosn't supercede the paper codex.

Now for your Blood Angels PDF codex to be legal, you can use it if you want. I will not stop you using it. But I bet you a Loonie, you wouldn't be going to a GW store or a Tourney with the BA PDF, you would be going with the 5th edtion codex. Since you even asking if your 2nd 3rd or 4th PDF edtions are just as legal and you know better, I think you are pretty foolish.

But to answer that since you asked, you know bloody hell that you can't use your 2nd, 3rd, or 4th PDF edtion codex. You know you have to use the 5th edtion codex. But if someone dosn't know, lets say for arguments sake, would you berate him and make him look foolish or teach him and let him know? Would you still play with him letting him use the older codex and then next time now that he knows he can't use an older codex when a newer one is out, he can get the 5th edtion one.

While I can't remember where it says to use the current codex, if you do not want to use it, fine by me, use what ever codex you want. All I ask is just for you to stick to it and no mixing and matching 2 different codecii.

[miteyheroes]

It's a difficult situation, because it really is a unique case.
I don't accept the "it doesn't say it's revised so it's not" argument. DE are, as far as I can remember, the only GW codex ever to explicitly say on it that it was a new version of the codex- it has the large stamp on the front saying "Second Edition".
But I can also see the argument that this release is not the same as a standard new codex. This codex has only been modified in some places, and it's moved format from print to pdf.
Obviously in friendly games this doesn't matter at all! But if I was running a tournament? I must admit I'd lean towards saying that you have to use the pdf not the old version. The pdf is the only currently available set of official GW rules for DH and WH. The old codices are no longer being published, to say that they were valid seems unfair to new players?

However I'm far from decided. As I've said before, I think this is a mess that GW needs to sort out. The only thing I definitely don't think is that it's absolutely clear cut and you can use allies- because in the current set of officially available GW rules you can't.

Of course, an interesting argument in favour of the "you can use allies" camp is that the French pdfs aren't called codices- DH, for example, says on the front cover "Liste d'armee Ordo Malleus: version telechargee, extraite du Codex Chasseurs de Demons". So it's specifically described as the downloaded version and an extract from the Codex. That, to my mind, gives more weight to the suggestion that the codex is still valid.

Still, I just can't work out why they cut out allies, I can't see their motive. I don't believe it's just an accident, in my mind that's disproved by the way that the second downloadable version no longer had inducted troops as well, and the way the foreign pdfs were changed to remove allies & inducted troops.
So I keep feeling that maybe they did mean it deliberately.

Basically, I'm torn. And I don't understand why everyone else seems so convinced that they can definitely use allies. Not that this argument really matters- we'll just have to see what tournament packs say when tournament packs are released... And I'm sure my mates won't be complaining about allies or inducted troops in friendly games.

[synack]

omg, there have been posts from GW TO organisers saying that allies are still in. If you have the hard cover codex, use it and the rules in it, end of story.

[daboarder]

omg, there have been posts from GW TO organisers saying that allies are still in. If you have the hard cover codex, use it and the rules in it, end of story.

I have also recieved a retraction email form GW aus about the legality of the printed codex stating that the pdf is NOT an update.

[miteyheroes]

omg, there have been posts from GW TO organisers saying that allies are still in. If you have the hard cover codex, use it and the rules in it, end of story.

Coolio, that's pretty definitive and solves the question. Where are the posts?

[Torcano]

There is no way that you show up to a game with a printed pdf and me with a codex, and you tell me your stack of paper supercedes my book? I don't think so, not going to happen, ever. No tournament nor player would ever allow such a joke to happen.

Frankly I can't say any more about this, it's too ridiculous. Anyone still not believing (or even doubting) that Allies are still in is an ignorant fool. They are morons, plain and simple. No persuasion or logic can change that, or their minds.

note: Unlike this, the BA PDF was accompanied by a statement from GW that was explicit about its validity.


"The new PDF is up for the people who do not have access to buy the codex anymore. The missing Alies section in the U.S format is indeed a mistake. And whichever one the tournament/event organizer says to use is the one that we have to abide by. I know that for our tournaments we will be using the Physical codex and NOT the PDF. I hope this helps!

-John Hollingsworth, Customer Service Specialist - Games Workshop

Regardless of whether Customer Service is aware of rules change, as miteyheroes states the GW tournaments are pretty definitive. We'll know for sure whenever the next one is, but this is pretty clear.

[Vaktathi]

The PDF's are a "we ran out of printed books to sell, and didn't want to print more, here's a cutdown PDF to use the army until a new book comes out". They are not a "Here's a new updated army book" thing. Anyone insisting that allies are no longer available to anyone is probably not worth playing unless GW comes out and says so with an updated FAQ or other such statement.

[DarkLink]

If it was a mistake, why did they produce an amended English version in which inducted troops were also removed? Why did they produce amended foreign versions with no allies or inducted troops?

There are alternative explanations, which have been posted, even if you're not willing to accept them.



GW Customer Service are not GW Games Developers. Very important thing to note, that. GW's Customer Service is not an official source of rules information, just like GW's Cleaners are not official sources of rules information.

Yeah, it was GW's website programmers who posted the pdfs online, and it was probably an intern or something who made the pdfs, so by this logic the pdfs aren't valid either.

[HsojVvad]

The way I see it is this now.

If you have the paper codex you have Allies and Induction. If you never had the codex before and can't accuire a copy of the paper codex, you use the PDF codex. If you are using the PDF codex you do not use allies or induction.

Since GW is releasing the DH and WH for free online, this could open up the possiblily of "everyone and thier mother" using allies and GW dosn't want that.

So it comes down to, you have paper codex you have allies, you have PDF codex you do not have allies.

Then again, this is a moot point if you and your opponent agree to anything ahead of time and do what ever you want.

[DarkLink]

Right, and that's what GW's been saying, as well as the GT organizers.

[Col.Gravis]

Aye, Codex trumps PDF - unless you don't have the codex.

[HsojVvad]

So I am not starting a new post, what happened to the DH special rules? They are all gone now. How can a new person who wants to start a DH army play with no special rules? When I refer to page 8, there are no special rules, just war gear.

Very sloppy. Verry verry sloppy. GW shoudn't have even bothered with the PDF codex.

[DarkLink]

So I am not starting a new post, what happened to the DH special rules? They are all gone now. How can a new person who wants to start a DH army play with no special rules? When I refer to page 8, there are no special rules, just war gear.

Very sloppy. Verry verry sloppy. GW shoudn't have even bothered with the PDF codex.

Yet another reason why the pdf does not supersede the physical codex.

The pdf is just a convenient, free means of distributing rules, but the actual full physical copy is still 100% valid.

[The Mystic]

The rules are still there. There on the reference page at the back.

[HsojVvad]

The rules are still there. There on the reference page at the back.

Thankks for pointing that out. I basically gave up after looking at page 8, and seeing war gear instead ofacctual GK rules.

If it tells me to go to page 8 then I should be reading GK special rules then.

[eldargal]

More clarification/confirmation that the pdfs do not supercede printed codices, in case anyone is still having doubts:


We recently made the Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters codexes available to download as PDFs. Since then, we've received a spate of emails asking questions about the difference between the PDFs and the original, printed copies. Rather than reply to you all individually, I thought I'd try to answer your questions here. Firstly, the rules for allied Space Marines and Inducted Imperial Guard were originally written to reference books that have since gone out of print, so we streamlined the rules required to allow players to collect an army of Daemonhunters or Witch Hunters. The Daemonhunters army list uses the Standard Force Organisation chart, which you'll find on page 87 of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. The other point that seems to be causing the most confusion is whether or not the PDF versions supersede the printed versions. They don't: you should feel free to continue to use whatever resources you have available to play your games with; the PDF does not overrule or invalidate the printed Codex book. Yes, this may mean that you and your opponent are using what are essentially different army lists for the same army but not every Inquisition force will comprise of the same elements (highly specialised and secretive forces that they are). And if you'd rather use the same one as your opponent, why not simply decide which version you collectively want to use and share the rules between one another? As for tournaments and gaming events, it's entirely up to the organisers to decide which version to use; it is after all their event.
From the GW blog.

[Melissia]

[edit: wrong place]

[fuzzbuket]

OK fuzzy my caledonian friend give us a link will you...



okay just 4 you i trolled through the bols blog roll just for you :D


http://ottawagamer.blogspot.com/2010/06/deamonhunters-codex-answer-from.html

[Denzark]

Cheers fuzzy pretty solid then...