How do you feel about weirdo proxies?

[ArmyC]

I bought a Gundam model to use as an Eldar Revenant Titan. I just couldn't justify the cost of the Forge World model, and don't want to make one out of toothbrush handles.

It cost around $70, and is 12" tall (31 cm). The FW model is 30 cm to the head, so I imagine this one is a little shorter than that, but pretty close.

I intend to use the two rods coming out of his back as Pulsar Lasers. The model snaps together. No glue or painting required. I am not sure if I will paint it or not.

I do want it to look more Eldar. I will have to model the pulsars onto the arms somehow.

Anyway, if I get this thing going, how would you feel if you came to an Apocalypse game, and the guy running it allowed me to play this model as a Rev Titan.

Pretend that the event advertised that titans were allowed, but no mention of "official" models was made.

Would you feel bad, if this thing wiped you off the table?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4690881#post4690881

[Gooball]

Eldar it up and it'd be fine as that guy said.
Also, ORKTIMUS PRIME
http://scuzworks.com/SL40K/WIP/Orktimus_Prime/IMG_1462.jpg
http://scuzworks.com/SL40K/WIP/Orktimus_Prime/IMG_1457.jpg
I've also seen one made from an actual optimis prime robot, with bits shaved off and replaced with Orky bitz
As long as the model looks like an eldar titan, it can be an eldar titan IMO

[Dingareth]

As someone who forked out the cash for my Warhound, yeah I would.

[DarkAngelHopeful]

I wouldn't feel too particularly bad. But it may help me if you talked with me about your model and told me the story behind it, because that would make it more interesting to me and I'm pretty sympathetic to people not wanting to spend money on titans.

I play on average 2 big apoc games (12,000 pts per side) a year down at the LA battle bunker with my friends. One game, my friend brought a cardboard box with some toilet paper rolls attached to it for cannon arms and a little cardboard box on top of the big box for a head. It was suppose to be stompa. I lawled at him in a friendly way. Another game he brought a sprayed painted foot ball with some fins attached to it and called it some tower of chaos from the apoc book. I just thought it was funny and inventive. Scratch building or buying something cheaper is definitely more friendly on the pocket book.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, for me, I don't really care about what the model looks like. I know some people wouldn't feel the same way. But just feel it out with your opponent and if they don't like it maybe find someone else to play against?

On a side note, I scratch built 5 thunder bolt fighters with my girlfriend's dad. They turned out pretty sweet and no one said anything about the fact that they weren't forge world.

[Gotthammer]

I'd be fine with the model, but not painting it seems a bit lazy to me - I mean it's snap together! ;)
Having a non-GW/FW model on the table unpainted sticks out a lot more than one that is to match an army, so you'd probably run into more objections that way - people thinking you just slapped whatever together so you could field a powerful unit without putting any effort into it.

[Gnoblar with Pointy Stick]

Insisting that someone buy the more expensive of two options for a freakin' GAME is ridiculous. I think anyone who cares enough to say something during a match needs to seriously examine their priorities.

That being said, effort makes a difference to me. I've seen breathtaking Stompas made from flower pots. If I spent that much time on something like that and some sniffler told me that it wasn't Ok because it didn't cost $100, I would be very hard pressed not to punch his or her lights out.

People have, however, brought things to tables that made me a little irked. One in particular being an Iron Man toy from Wal Mart that had been nailed to a base, masquerading as a Revenent Titan! You wanna put some green stuff on it or paint some symbols on it? Great. But otherwise it's an insult to the 12 hours I had spent the day before building three Pylons covered in Necron runes.

A friend of mine made a Bio Titan out of Sculpey two days before our Apoc game. We had all built things, and presenting them to our game mates is a lovely show and tell and then destroy experience. But if you tape some Tonka toy wheels on the bottom of a cardboard box and tell me it's a Plague Tower, I wont say anything. I'll just avoid you at the hobbyshop.

[murrburger]

As long as it doesn't move three times as fast, with one third the structure points.

Hell yeah I'd let you play that. Any game where you're using a Titan is supposed to be fun, anyways.

[DarkAngelHopeful]

Insisting that someone buy the more expensive of two options for a freakin' GAME is ridiculous. I think anyone who cares enough to say something during a match needs to seriously examine their priorities.

That being said, effort makes a difference to me. I've seen breathtaking Stompas made from flower pots. If I spent that much time on something like that and some sniffler told me that it wasn't Ok because it didn't cost $100, I would be very hard pressed not to punch his or her lights out.

People have, however, brought things to tables that made me a little irked. One in particular being an Iron Man toy from Wal Mart that had been nailed to a base, masquerading as a Revenent Titan! You wanna put some green stuff on it or paint some symbols on it? Great. But otherwise it's an insult to the 12 hours I had spent the day before building three Pylons covered in Necron runes.

A friend of mine made a Bio Titan out of Sculpey two days before our Apoc game. We had all built things, and presenting them to our game mates is a lovely show and tell and then destroy experience. But if you tape some Tonka toy wheels on the bottom of a cardboard box and tell me it's a Plague Tower, I wont say anything. I'll just avoid you at the hobbyshop.

I agree that you shouldn't insist that someone pay lots of money for a titan. I too have seen some stompas made from flower pots that looked great and I gave that friend more kudos for his effort than mine that plopped a cardboard box down on the table. But cardboard box stompa still made me smile because it was so obviously just hurried together to get a stompa on the board. It's one of those situations where it's sooo bad, that's it's good, in a funny sort of way.

I think that's hilarious that someone just nailed an Iron Man toy to a base. I would still have played against him, but I would have chuckled, because that's just funny. On that note, I saw some kid show up to a WFB tournament with 6 plastic dinosaurs and said they were stegadons. It cracked me up. I think stuff like that adds some humor to the game. And laughter is healthy.

[R3con]

As long as it "resembles" what its supposed to be I'm fine with it.

Had a guy bring a BIG hippo statue to a game to be a giant squigith I laughed then killed it =)

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

I might be a little miffed at first if you just snapped it together out if the box and plopped it down on the table, but I'd still play against it (and probably forget about any miffing after deployment).

If you put obvious effort into it (did the pulsar conversion, based it, maybe added some leftover eldar vehicle bits, plasticard runes), I'd consider it absolutely equal to the forgeworld model.

[DrLove42]

I have no problem with scratch build stuff as long as some effort is made to make it look right. Shows off people creative sides and i'm all for that! My friend has a plastic diplodocus (the dinosaur) which he cut the back two legs of, built Ork metal legs and covered it in bitz to orkify it. Looks really good!

[BuFFo]

I'll play a game or two with it unpainted, but, it better be painted eventually, otherwise, no dice.

[fuzzbuket]

2 eldar jetbikes for shoullders, a rod/ something to eldarish it and a good paint job and id LOVE to play it :D also that orkimnus prime is kickass :D :D :D

[sangrail777]

as someone with two Reavers, a Warhound, Thunderhawk, many other super heavies. I don't give a F*%$ what I blow up just aslong as you recognize the awesome power that my true Titans bring to the table. lol.
Happy hunting.

[LadasN]

Personally, couldn't care less. If it were painted I'd be happy to play against it; unpainted, no objections but it seems a bit half-@$$ed. While i did fork out a bucket load of cash for my warhound (CAN $) I can't say that a gundam proxy would bug me too much.

[Mystery.Shadow]

How do you delete a post?! Oh well, this useless edit probably works.

[Mystery.Shadow]

The post I was trying to make....

Been posted many moons ago, but what do you think of these Counts-As?

Tyranid Harridan:
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/EntireHiveFleet/11060011.JPG.html

Tyranid Trygon:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/Mystarian/01011042.jpg

Warlord Titan:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/Mystarian/Pic-WarLordTitan.jpg

Ork Fighta-Bomma:
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/AnotherApocalypseGame/01011054.JPG.html

Ork BattleWagon:
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/19kApocalypse/10040003.JPG.html

Ork Fighta-Bomma:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/Mystarian/006.jpg

Dark Angels Thunderhawk:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/Mystarian/Pic-ThunderhawkWIP17.jpg

Ork Stompa
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/AnotherApocalypseGame/01011036.JPG.html

Another Ork Stompa
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/AnotherApocalypseGame/01011086.JPG.html

In your opinion, are they Ok or not?

[AbusePuppy]

The Warhound is pretty shoddy. I'd probably give the guy fielding it the stink-eye, but then again I'm not sure if I'd play Apoc against anyone I didn't at least know in a casual sense.

The Tyranid stuff seems fine.

The Ork stuff is all awesome.

[energongoodie]

eldar it up and it'd be fine as that guy said.
Also, orktimus prime
http://scuzworks.com/sl40k/wip/orktimus_prime/img_1462.jpg
http://scuzworks.com/sl40k/wip/orktimus_prime/img_1457.jpg
i've also seen one made from an actual optimis prime robot, with bits shaved off and replaced with orky bitz
as long as the model looks like an eldar titan, it can be an eldar titan imo

chuffing brilliant!!!

[Gotthammer]

The post I was trying to make....

Been posted many moons ago, but what do you think of these Counts-As?

Tyranid Harridan: Fine, looks pretty good.

Tyranid Trygon: Fine with that.

Warlord Titan: If it was a 'bring your stuff for a crazy mega-battle everything on the table throwdown', then no, seems too much like 'I want to destroy your stuff and am making a cheap thing out of toilet rolls to do it''. If it was a game against someone I knew with a theme or backstory it'd be fine.

Ork Fighta-Bomma: I like it!

Ork BattleWagon: Very cool - it's bigger than a wagon so would be at a disadvantage really anyway.

Ork Fighta-Bomma: Nice and crazy.

Dark Angels Thunderhawk: Looks good and so long as it's to scale I'd be fine.

Ork Stompa: Fine

Another Ork Stompa: Fine

My main issue with the ork stuff is it's all just brown! :D

[Mystery.Shadow]

A few more....

Nurgle Plague Tower
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/Apoc121309/12130005.JPG.html

Reaver Titan
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/MemorialDay2010/05310002.JPG.html

Hydra Tank (The Green One)
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/MemorialDay2010/05310045.JPG.html

What do you think of these?

[Lerra]

I'd play against all three with no complaints, although the Hydra is by far the best. If he finished the paint job nicely, it would be on par with the forgeworld model imo. Someone put a good amount of work into the Nurgle Plague Tower and it turned out sorta "Meh" but the effort was there and I'm not one to discourage people from scratch building due to lack of practice/talent. Everyone has to start somewhere.

The reaver titan looks more like knight titan than a reaver, and it could use some converting to make it look more 40k-ish, but I'd give it a pass because it's apolcalypse, titans are fun, and few people can afford the Forgeworld model.

[superscenic]

I think it is a fantastic model and will wear Eldar modifications very well.

I have to point out that in terms of quality of sculpt, detail, complexity of production and casting, the Gundam model is a far superior model to the revenant. And at less than half the price including four extra weapons and a shield, I feel a little violated by GW again.

[CitizenZero]

I think if you are playing with friends, then it would be ok...but I think if you are playing a game with people you don't know, it would be kind of annoying. The difference between some of those other things posted is they were scratch-built/conversions...although that Warhound was pretty shoddy, the person who built it was at least creative enough to make it themselves. I would also be miffed at that too, but slightly less so than if somebody just came with a toy or model that was straight from the box.

My question I guess would be why would you play with a "titan" at all if you don't have one? I don't own one, so I field what I do own...to me, it's no different than buying a package of green army men and calling them Guardsmen.

If it is a home game, then sure...otherwise, I don't think it is ok.

[SombreBrotherhood]

@ Lerra - I concur on all accounts, although to be a little more size-proper, why not use those 'Reavers' as the slightly-less-powerful-but-still-awesome Reaver Huns and Goths from BoLS' own Lords of Battle? They might be a better fit to something based on the old Armorcast Reaver (like I have)