Necron_Lord
05-23-2010, 10:29 AM
A little while back I asked if Gaze of Flame would negate any Counter-Attack made by Space Wolves which was cleared up - (No they don't, having defensive grenades doesn't negate Counter-Attack which was buried somewhere in the SW FAQ). My next question is does the - 1 Leadership modifier in CC apply to the Counter-Attack roll made by the Space Wolf unit being assaulted by a Necron Lord with GoF? Let's examine the evidence.
Necron codex (p.15)
Enemy models fighting a close combat involving a Necron Lord with Gaze of Flame suffer a - 1 Leadership penalty, in addition to any other modifiers.
40K Rulebook (p. 74)
Counter-Attack
Troops with this skill believe that attack is always the best form of defence. If assaulted, they will spring forward themselves and ferociously counter-attack the charging enemy.
To represent this, when a unit with this rule is assaulted by the enemy it must take a Leadership test. If the test is successful all models in the unit get the + 1 assault bonus to their attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn.
I am of the opinion that RAW, the asaulted unit must make its Leadership test at - 1, but some WAAC lawyer type might argue that the units were ENGAGED in CC but NOT FIGHTING because no attack or to wound rolls were made. Therefore they would argue that the - 1 Leadership modifier would only apply to the SW unit if they had to make a Morale test if they lost the CC (LOL).
So my question is this, does the - 1 Leadership modifier take place when the models touch each other (when CC is initiated) or after the results of the first round of CC are known? Any replies would be appreciated.
Necron codex (p.15)
Enemy models fighting a close combat involving a Necron Lord with Gaze of Flame suffer a - 1 Leadership penalty, in addition to any other modifiers.
40K Rulebook (p. 74)
Counter-Attack
Troops with this skill believe that attack is always the best form of defence. If assaulted, they will spring forward themselves and ferociously counter-attack the charging enemy.
To represent this, when a unit with this rule is assaulted by the enemy it must take a Leadership test. If the test is successful all models in the unit get the + 1 assault bonus to their attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn.
I am of the opinion that RAW, the asaulted unit must make its Leadership test at - 1, but some WAAC lawyer type might argue that the units were ENGAGED in CC but NOT FIGHTING because no attack or to wound rolls were made. Therefore they would argue that the - 1 Leadership modifier would only apply to the SW unit if they had to make a Morale test if they lost the CC (LOL).
So my question is this, does the - 1 Leadership modifier take place when the models touch each other (when CC is initiated) or after the results of the first round of CC are known? Any replies would be appreciated.