Warhammerfest 2016 Picture Show

[Mr Mystery]

To save Dear Leader the hassle, thought I'd start a roundup thread for those of us attending Warhammerfest (Path Walker and myself, from what I can make out. If anyone else is going, why not meet for a pint? Ideally altogether, lest I wind up tiddled from too many boozes)

I'll be pinching the next few posts to reserve for photo updates and that - so please don't post until BoLS has done that weird cool down thing where additions I make don't turn up as edits to this post!

Confirmed Early Availability Toys

Ursurax Battle Automata

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources//fw_site/fw_blogs/2016/05/09/FTHG657645H65YH65/pic1.jpg

Shar'Tor The Executioner

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources//fw_site/fw_blogs/2016/05/04/DFHG5788IKJ54TYHG54/pic1.jpg

Crusade Imperialis Army Lists

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources//fw_site/fw_blogs/2016/05/02/SDFSG435ERG54GBVT/pic1.jpg

Heresy Event Model

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources//fw_site/fw_blogs/2016/04/25/SFG54665784656G5GVGGT5/pic1.jpg

Iron Circle Battle Automata

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources//fw_site/fw_blogs/2016/04/11/MDGT5685643TH65YH6/pic1.jpg

Tau Barracuda AX-5-2

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources//fw_site/fw_blogs/2016/05/13/DFHG5467658756Y6H5B4/pic1.jpg


Weapons for the above flier are....Heavy Burst Cannon, Long Barrelled Burst Cannon, Swiftstrike Railgun, Long Barrelled Cyclic Ion Blasters, Decoy Drone, and Barracuda Ion Cannon

Very early news.....

We may have spotted GW employees carrying around Epic Armageddon stuff. Not sure if books or pamphlets.

Seminars....

Black Library, Forgeworld and Licensing. I'll try to get tix to them, but cannot guarantee owt.

Mysterious website of mystery. Bit Orky. Very Kratey. But wot is it? I dunno! Click and sign up. (http://openthekrate.com)

[Mr Mystery]

Right, let's give it a bash - reserved for pics

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Board is double sided.

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As are the dugouts - alternative boards being worked on (Skaven/Dwarf and Elf/Nurgle)

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ALL core team models will be plastic. Star Players and Secret Weapons etc will be resin.

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Stunty Deathroller WIP

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Apologies for wonky photos, but DAMMIT JIM, I'M AN ADJUDICATOR, NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER!

[Mr Mystery]

reserved for pics

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This thing is much bigger than it looks!

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Got dakka?

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Yeahthx.

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New Hobbit terrain kit. Very nice.

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Yep. That's the Big Yin!

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[Mr Mystery]

Right. Data purchased for the iPad, so I'm about ready to go!

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Above image not at all stolen off Facebook. Oh no.

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Last two pinched off FB.

[Kirsten]

looking forward to seeing what comes out

[Path Walker]

Hullo! Are you there Saturday or Sunday Mr M?

[Mr Mystery]

Saturmaday :)

[Path Walker]

Ah you'll get all the scoops, don't think there will be much new except the Golden Demon stuff on the Sunday, still, I'll try and get some pics of some nicely painted miniatures. I hear Mr Soper is working on something very nice and nurgley which I'm eager to see. The bits he's shown so far on his blog are immense. I think my planned entry, which I've not started yet, is probably not going to happen this year!

[Mr Mystery]

For weekend events, they do tend to keep stuff back for the second day, so don't rule it out completely :)

I'm still clinging to hope I'll be able to pick up Quest tomorrow.

[Path Walker]

That would be cool, I'd like to have a week to play with it, I'm away on work the week after so will get a nice big shiny box of toys and no time to play with it!!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

BoLS is commandeering this here thread into the MASTER Warhammer Fest 2016 Image/News Summary


Please put all images, and news you find in here as soon as you can, whether you are at the event snapping away, or just skulking about the web.

Try to keep the thread clear until the event begins, so folks can easily get to the news.

Good hunting everybody!

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Hope you have a good day there mate, look forward to seeing all the stuff you take photos of.

If you get a chance, please violently beat them into submission until they agree to do an Enslavers army ;)

[Mr Mystery]

I do need to pester them for properly proper horrific Dark Mechanicum gribblies. Again.

I mean, when mutilating and lobotomising people is considered all hunky dorey, as is slapping crude bionics and a mind control skidlid on whoever happens to be at hand is fine, just fine, then WTF does the stuff you're not allowed to do look like?

At the least one I went to, one of the FW team was playing with the concept of a bitz based kit, to represent than many within the Mechanicus will make body guards as and when required, to suit the particular threat. I'm keen to see what's occurring on that front - I can imagine is requires a fair amount of restraint!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I do need to pester them for properly proper horrific Dark Mechanicum gribblies. Again.

I mean, when mutilating and lobotomising people is considered all hunky dorey, as is slapping crude bionics and a mind control skidlid on whoever happens to be at hand is fine, just fine, then WTF does the stuff you're not allowed to do look like?

At the least one I went to, one of the FW team was playing with the concept of a bitz based kit, to represent than many within the Mechanicus will make body guards as and when required, to suit the particular threat. I'm keen to see what's occurring on that front - I can imagine is requires a fair amount of restraint!

Yeah, normal mechanicum are very well designed and all but they just aren't weird enough for me (aside from a few of those forge world units) so hopefully dark mechanicum are more the kinda stuff I want. If their just the same kinda thing with spikes and chaos stars and a few weird mutations ill be quite disapointed personallly.

[Mr Mystery]

I'd hope not too. There's really no limit to what Dark Mechanicus could do, and I want them to look tortured and malformed.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I want them to look like john carpenters The thing meets the t-1000 (near the end of the movie) put through an HR Giger filter and put in robes.

[Mr Mystery]

Well. I've got the best part of £150 for tomorrow.

Not intending to spent it all, like. It's mostly 'just in case'

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Well. I've got the best part of £150 for tomorrow.

Not intending to spent it all, like. It's mostly 'just in case'

You'll totally spend it all :P

[Kirsten]

I'd spend it all

[Mud Duck]

That and more..... I seriously have to work on some control issues.

Oh, and Mr. M, that will give you an extra week to put the models together. Most of the heroes are 5 or 6 pieces and the big baddie monster is 15 if I counted right.

[Mr Mystery]

Mr Browngoes off to town on the A21.

But he comes home each evening, and he's ready with his gun.

Oh yes. The jouney begins.

[Mr Mystery]

NERDS!

Nerds as far as the the eye can see!18485

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Plus, we think we've seen people stotting about wielding Epic Armageddon bumph.

Hopefully more later. We're currently 35 minutes from the doors opening.

[Mr Mystery]

Sumfin' moar abaht Open Da Krate.....

Www.openthekrate.com

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[Mr Mystery]

Here we go!

Bloodbowl Info....

Core teams will be plastic. Star Players and Special Stuff resin. Initial board is double sided, human and Orc pitches. Dwarf and Skaven coming, Aelves and Nurgle coming.

PICS!

[AdamHarry]

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[Mr Mystery]

Moar!

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Oh ****! My photography is worse than usual! Apologies!

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UNT! Courtesy of Mr Shaun, I have seminar tickets!

[Kirsten]

oh my word those supremacy weapons. I'll be in my bunk

[Mr Mystery]

Pow! Hobbity goodness.

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oh my word those supremacy weapons. I'll be in my bunk

I know, right!

[miteyheroes]

Oh my gods if they release Billy Connelly riding a pig I am buying that.

[Mr Mystery]

Better pics of Alarielle and a couple of Stick Pixies, who are now more stick like than ever before!

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Oh my gods if they release Billy Connelly riding a pig I am buying that.

It's coming! Currently pending License Owner approval.

And that wee house? That's a kit, that is. And everything in the pic comes with.

[AdamHarry]

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[Mr Mystery]

And even though nobody cares, here's my haul from the shopping department :)

[AdamHarry]

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New Transfer Sheets!


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And even though nobody cares, here's my haul from the shopping department :)

That's not true. I care.

But I'm not posting that on the front page :)


And seriously thanks for posting pics!

[Mr Mystery]

No worries :)

That was the first sweep, made in excite.

Soon as I've found my mates, we'll do a further check, just in case :)

[Mr Mystery]

More!

This time the Human BB Pitch and dugout, and the new pass range ruler...

And that's not a Dwarf Blocker. Or even a Blitzer.

It's a Linesman

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Blood Bowl - Living Rulebook CONFIRMED.


Current planned pitches are cardboard. They'd like to do neoprene ones, but want to find a supplier who can do the quality and the quantity.

[Mr Mystery]

Via Battle Bunnies.....and also two from the AoS FB Fan Group :) Warhammer Forge LIVES!

[Mr Mystery]

The next Imperial Armour book is Tau vs Mechanicum...

[Kirsten]

magnificent

[Mr Mystery]

Sneaky peaky at new games...

[Mr Mystery]

Told you it r huge!

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[Asymmetrical Xeno]

whoah, bringing back BFG and Titan Legions, cool!

[Kirsten]

wow, it really is huge

[Kallidus]

Did anybody get a picture/name of the Solar Auxilia unit with shields? (They were displayed behind the Emperor's Children spear upgrade models!)
Thanks in advance if anybody can post a pic/name of that unit and any other Solar Auxilia goodies! :)

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....or were they Mechanicum Secutarii?

[AdamHarry]

Sneaky peaky at new games...

BFG: Leviathan is a video game (http://www.battlefleetgothic-leviathan.com/) for tablet and mobile - doesn't look bad graphically.

I think I heard Titan Legion was one too...sorry to burst those tabletop dreams.

[hdarren]

Someone ask them about Necromunda please. Is it happening?

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[Mr Mystery]

Did anybody get a picture/name of the Solar Auxilia unit with shields? (They were displayed behind the Emperor's Children spear upgrade models!)
Thanks in advance if anybody can post a pic/name of that unit and any other Solar Auxilia goodies! :)

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....or were they Mechanicum Secutarii?

Mechanicum.

[AdamHarry]

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[RGilbert26]

Hmm, does Lord Commander Culln die and get put into a Leviathan?

[Mr Mystery]

He does indeed :)

Fires of Cyrakcus is the next IA book, and will bring [i]some[/url] Heresy era toys to 40k...

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Heresy book VII.....possibly late this year, production allowing.

Space Woofs, Thousand Sons, Legio Cybertica, Legio Custodes, Sisters of Silence.

Oh yes!

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More Chaos Dwarfs on the way, but no details beyond that, and they want to do new AoS books.

[eldargal]

Any female BB figures spotted?

[Mr Mystery]

Nope. There's just the basics. I'll nip down and ask if I get the chance.

Generally for BB, there'll be core plastic teams, Resin upgrade kits, and then full Resin teams. So far as I can tell, nothing mutually exclusive race wise - so say you want Druchii, you'll have options for all three, rather than just say the full resin only.

[eldargal]

Boo, no excuse for an all male game anymore.

[Mr Mystery]

Not seen and not coming aren't the same - they've got really bare bones on show at the moment.

For preview stuff, it feels a little light. However, when you consider FW are now doing SG as well, and add it all together, it feels about right :)

[hdarren]

There will probably be cheerleader models so there's your females sorted.

[Mr Mystery]

*exits thread in a hurry to find tin helmet and a suitably sofa like bulwark*

[eldargal]

Not seen and not coming aren't the same - they've got really bare bones on show at the moment.

For preview stuff, it feels a little light. However, when you consider FW are now doing SG as well, and add it all together, it feels about right :)

If they aren't in the main box it doesn't matter, they need to stop acting like female models are some kind of optional extra. It's bad enough there was only one in WHQ.

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There will probably be cheerleader models so there's your females sorted.

Nope, the cheerleaders need to look like this (http://data.whicdn.com/images/71526777/original.jpg).

[Mr Mystery]

There's concept art of a Nurglesque cheerleader.

*shudders*

[eldargal]

Nice.

[Mr Mystery]

It's not.

Deliciously subversive as a sketch though. Think Putrid Blightking in a cheerleaders outfit.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

yay sisters of silence


how about sisters of battle? or proper aliens?

-tumbleweeds-

[Mr Mystery]

Nowt said.

But I swear Nuns on Bikes were mentioned in the FW Seminar. That's unlikely to be SoB given they're working on Sisters of Silence, so it seems possible the earlier rumour of SoB Bikers is a confused one...

Sadly, some goon behind me couldn't shut up, so I can't be sure I heard what I think I heard.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Did you use physical violence to get the design team to make an Enslavers army yet?

[Subs]

Anyone else noticed all the displays / showcases / announcements today seem to be Forge World, Specialist Games, Black Library and that GW them selves seem to be remaining happy showing what they've done over the last two years. I'm going to emphasize the today bit cause I dont think that's going to be the plan for tomorrow.

* And confirmed to me via a friend. GW and their partners started handing out discount keys for Steam this morning at Dreamhack. Specifically marketing Warhammer Totalwar although buzz / rumour was saying wait till Monday for software developer announcements. When it was mentioned Warhammer fest is happening now the marketing crew "smiled and went quite."

[Brusilov]

Do we know yet what 30k Mechanicum toys we would be getting in the new IA book? I've seen a pic of a Thanatar with the mention "Imperial Armour - Fire of Cyraxus" floating on the net

[Mr Mystery]

Defo Thantar, and Secutarii.

Now, what others they were playing close to their chest.

Cyraxcus was described as a semi-forgotten backwater Forgeworld....but it has secrets.....

[Brusilov]

Glad to hear the Thanatar is among the chosen. I think the more exotic stuff will be excluded (Domitar, Ursurax, Calix...). I would bet that the Thallaxi and the Myrmidons are among the ones in the book (after all,they're mentionned in the GW book).

I am so looking forward to this book. This will finally justify my acquisition of those wonderful models!

[RGilbert26]

I think they'll be Female BB players/teams when they release the High Elf/Dark Elf Teams.

[YorkNecromancer]

I think they'll be Female BB players/teams when they release the High Elf/Dark Elf Teams.

I hope not. If true, Christ that's pathetic. I mean, par for the course when it comes to anything GW related, but still utterly f**king pathetic.

And you know, you just f**king know it'll be more f**king chainmail godd*amned bikinis, which is so much more depressing given how amazing the new Blood Bowl stuff looks otherwise.

*sigh*

Seriously, f**k wargaming's relentlessly backwards attitude. Never ceases to make me embarrassed to be a fan.

[Path Walker]

It's not surprising, seeing how most ****head fans of this hobby react to anything even slightly progressive. Seriously, this hobby is the ****ing worst. Saw loads of racist **** about that ONE warhammer quest hero.

[YorkNecromancer]

It's always a bleak irony to me that fans of a hobby which is ostensibly dedicated to imagining different worlds seem incapable of imagining different worlds.

And by 'different worlds' I mean 'anywhere in the Western hemisphere after about 1972'.

Things that don't exist like combat lasers and Dreadnoughts and daemons and twenty foot tall transhumans with neurosurgical implants pushing them into a relentless combat frenzy and cathedrals that walk armed with guns that shoot nuclear explosions are all fine. But making models to represent the entire fifty percent of the human race your game seems to think doesn't f**king exist, and doing so in clothes that are designed for actual combat rather than BDSM?

Well, that's somehow beyond the pale, and if you want that, you're the c*nt.

And that's without mentioning the fact there are more models with blue skin in the far future than there are with black.

Seriously, the lack of imagination some fans of wargaming have is so absurd that if you tried to explain it to the non-gaming Muggles, they just wouldn't believe you.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I guess the lack of imagination the fans have goes well with the lack of imagination that most wargame settings have though. I completely agree with all of that though. I feel like a pariah in the wargaming world most days (and not the cool necron kind)

[RGilbert26]

Wish I hadn't bothered to say anything now.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Wish I hadn't bothered to say anything now.

sincere apologies, was having a bit of a bad day yesterday sorry.

[Mr Mystery]

Apologies if this comes across as a little preachy, but don't forget GW are listening to us these days.

I've already asked about lady Bloodbowl players on their FB page, and was told they'd pass it on as a request (they mentioned in their experience the ladies are even deadlier).

It's absolutely disappointing it's something we need to request, but request we have to. FB is the most accessible way, but there's still email and letter writing :) Get hassling them, and see what happens. Possibly, perhaps probably nowt, but we never know. Especially not these days.

[Subs]

The way I understand it there are actually quite a lot of female figures coming for all games. Not going to extrapolate on that as I'll get shouted at.

[Mr Mystery]

Intriguing!

Don't suppose you've got a source for that? (Asking, not challenging :) )

[eldargal]

The way I understand it there are actually quite a lot of female figures coming for all games. Not going to extrapolate on that as I'll get shouted at.

Why would you get shouted at? The problem is a lack of female models, if you have news that we are getting more that is good not shout-worthy.

[Subs]

Call it the inevitable conclusion of the rising level of expertise GW in their newish CAD based sculpting system which their studio has been reorganised around.

Essentially lithe 'feminine' sculpts are more difficult to do then masculine brutes in power armour. GW have got to the stage where they can produce this type of sculpt, they proved it with the Harlequins. However since those releases they've had to concentrate on getting the fundamentals done for AoS (And now it also seems for a few Specialist Games also.) But now AoS has almost caught up in it's basic releases and is beginning to release it's own more grace filled sculpts which where designed around the same time as the Quins you can expect to see the style of that initial wave of Elf based sculpts proliferate across the other factions as the sculptors responsible for them move on to other projects.

There's a very definite learning curve in producing the plastic mini's that GW has been going through since failcast. That learning curve has only just reached a point where GW feel comfortable tackling the inevitable criticism they will face when releasing female type sculpts that still fit into the over emphasized heroic scale of their mini's. GW don't take controversy and criticism well, they'd rather pull something from the public domain than face the storm of a negative press story. They still remember the days Mary Whitehouse tried to get roleplaying and wargamming banned because it was a 'moral corruption' and 'satanic.'. All the delays in female type sculpts have really been about getting them right so that when they do start releasing them regularly, everyone just shuts the **** up.

[eldargal]

I don't know, they did excellent male/female kits with the Dark Eldar in 2011, the idea that five years later they think its better to pretend women don't exist than actually release models is ridiculous but sadly exactly what I'd expect from them at this point.

[Gotthammer]

Also the concept that feminine = lithe, small & delicate that seems to be ingrained in mini designers heads is pretty rubbish too.

[eldargal]

Yep.
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[Subs]

So what you're saying is if you actually suited someone of a larger build up in a full exo suit of 'power armour' you wouldn't actually be able to tell their gender anyway and that actually so long as you didn't really try and challenge peoples gender perceptions with something like a bearded woman and used mini heads with androgynous features or just helmets you could take any existing Space Marine type kit and paint and model it up to look just like the concept above except she would actually be wearing her full chest plate.

[YorkNecromancer]

So what you're saying is if you actually suited someone of a larger build up in a full exo suit of 'power armour' you wouldn't actually be able to tell their gender anyway and that actually so long as you didn't really try and challenge peoples gender perceptions with something like a bearded woman and used mini heads with androgynous features or just helmets you could take any existing Space Marine type kit and paint and model it up to look just like the concept above except she would actually be wearing her full chest plate.

No.

What we're saying is we'd like female models. That means we want a variety of female body shapes, not just lithe ones crammed into skintight catsuits. The problem isn't catsuits; there's nothing wrong with lithe skintight catsuits at all.

The problem is that the only female models you can get are in catsuits. You can't get them in body armour. You can't get them in Astartes armour. You can't get them fat. You can't get them stocky.

The problem isn't catsuits. The problem is that GW currently produces nearly one hundred human male heads with uniquely different types of facial hair in plastic (Space Wolves + Tempestus Scions + a few others here and there) ... And only ONE human female plastic head.

And she's part of the Immolator kit, which is now out of production.

The problem isn't lithe women. It's that there are more moustachioed heads than female heads. In real life, moustaches are F**KING DISGUSTING, and yet we've sufficient parts to represent every kind of terribad sideburn, ugly mohawk, and hideous plaited beard... yet only ONE female human head available in plastic.

That's the problem. That pathetic 100,000 men: 1 woman ratio, when in real life, it's 50:50.

Imagine going to a restaurant that only sells olives in pitta bread. You like them just fine, but after a while, you want to try something new. Only there's nothing new. There's only olives in pitta bread. They can be a great flavour; they could be the freshest, most organic olives in the world, the most delicious pitta bread. But if you've had them every day since 1987, you're going to be a little bored of them.

Especially when the restaurant you buy them from tells you how imaginative it is with its recipies for olives and pitta breads. You're like

'Hey, how about a pizza?'

And they're like

'F**K YOU NO-ONE LIKES PIZZA! NO-ONE! NO-ONE WOULD EVER LIKE PIZZA AND YOU'RE A SH*TTY HUMAN BEING FOR DARING TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT WE MAKE PIZZA! WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF MOZARELLA-WHIPPED PIZZAIST? YEAH, THAT'S IT. YOU ONLY WANT PIZZA TO TRY AND GET SOME OF THAT SWEET MOZARELLA ACTION. EVERYONE KNOWS REAL MEN DON'T EAT PIZZA. LOOK AT ALL THESE GUYS ENJOYING THEIR OLIVES; YOU'RE JUST A FREAK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LIKE THEM.'

And you're like

'No, I just want to try something new'

And they go

'SHUT THE F**K UP YOU WEAK LITTLE PIZZA-LOVER'

And the fans are like

'WHO'S THIS F*GGOT AND WHY DOES HE WANT A PIZZA? DOESN'T HE KNOW THAT IF HE HAS PIZZA THEN WE DON'T GET TO HAVE OUR OLIVES AND PITTA BREAD?'

And you go

'No, mate seriously, I don't want to take away your olives and pitta bread. I just want pizza'

And they go

'WELL YOU'RE JUST A STUPID FOOL WHO DOESN'T APPRECIATE THAT THE MENU MEANS YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY HAVE PIZZA. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN ON THE MENU. AND IF THIS PLACE GOT PIZZA IN, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE MENU, AND THE MENU'S BEEN HERE FOR THIRTY YEARS NOW, AND PEOPLE WILL JUST COMPLAIN IF YOU ADD NEW THINGS TO IT. AND ANYWAY, LOOK, THAT PERSON WHO LIKES PIZZA IS EATING OLIVES WITH PITTA BREAD, SO WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH YOU?'

And you go

'You know what, your constant caps lock is exhausting and you are exhausting and I just can't take any more'

And you tag in Gotthammer because she's got the patience of a f**king saint

But nothing ever changes and it makes you have a little cry sometimes

And I forget where I was going with this but anyway.

Oh yeah, that was it: And when people trot out the classic line 'you wouldn't actually be able to tell their gender anyway', it's like:

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/145/d/e/20140525_15_09_50_by_yorknecromancer-d7jo8wx.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/145/0/6/20140525_15_11_02_by_yorknecromancer-d7jo8wg.jpg
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/145/e/3/20140525_15_10_36_by_yorknecromancer-d7jo8wn.jpg
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2014/302/5/8/2014_10_29_23_49_09_by_yorknecromancer-d84m6pc.jpg
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2014/219/f/1/2014___deathwatch_captain_by_yorknecromancer-d7jymxl.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/042/c/0/2015_02_11_19_13_43_by_yorknecromancer-d8hlbxb.jpg
http://pre15.deviantart.net/b67f/th/pre/i/2015/304/9/8/20151031_231931_by_yorknecromancer-d9f2hxg.jpg
http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2014/186/d/8/2014_07_05_22_38_58_by_yorknecromancer-d7pdegc.jpg
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2014/186/0/1/2014_07_05_22_35_54_by_yorknecromancer-d7pdehr.jpg

You can tell they're female just fine. Because all we need are plastic female heads. That's it. We don't need 'female' bodies, or sh*tty, horrible, demeaningly stupid (http://www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/) boobplate armour.

We just need every human GW kit to include female heads. That's it. Nothing more. Mantic are doing it, Privateer Press are doing it, literally every other company in the world is doing it. It's basically only GW that's still this backwards, still trotting out tired, ill-thought-out justifications for what is, essentially, unjustifiable in the modern age - and by so doing, making all of us who are fans look backwards in the same way.

I love 40K more than anything, but that doesn't mean I will ever accept the lack of female components as anything beyond a shameful throwback to a less enlightened time.

[Subs]

Nice models, but if they where wearing their helmets, they'd look just like any other member of the guard in uniform. In order to sell those models as female you're relying on the archetype that women have long hair and don't care about snipers.

[YorkNecromancer]

Nice models, but if they where wearing their helmets, they'd look just like any other member of the guard in uniform. In order to sell those models as female you're relying on the archetype that women have long hair and don't care about snipers.

Actually, the ones with head coverings are noticeably female too (http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/9064683/sma304-heroic-scale-female-heads---veterans.html). I just don't have any of those heads painted up yet. I won't deny it's a subtle difference, but in a game where some models have skulls sculpted inside their purity seals, it'll be one that matters.

And some of those heads have long hair, some don't. Statuesque does some female heads that are bald, so yeah, the long hair argument is quickly disproved:

http://pre01.deviantart.net/508f/th/pre/i/2016/046/3/a/20160216_003738_by_yorknecromancer-d9rx2ps.jpg
http://orig04.deviantart.net/c508/f/2016/136/1/1/20160424_222046_by_yorknecromancer-da2oqs4.jpg

As for caring about snipers, I point you in the direction of every single Space Marine sergeant, every single Catachan Jungle Fighter, and all 56 bare heads in the Space Wolf Grey Hunter box. None of those guys care about snipers, so that argument's disproved too.

As you can see from my Imperator Furioso-inspired ladies above, female heads don't need long hair to be female, and if the Space Wolves and Catachans don't need helmets to be soldiers, then neither do the women.

[Mr Mystery]

Plus, untold billions in the Imerial Guard, if not trillions.

Still a sausage fest models wise.

[YorkNecromancer]

http://i.imgur.com/XpTPt.jpg

'HEY LIEUTENANT MIRA. SORRY THERE'S NEVER, EVER GOING TO BE A FIGURE OF YOU, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE LITERALLY THE MOST COMPETENT IMPERIAL GUARD IN ANY MEDIUM AND VERY MUCH THE MOST AWESOME CHARACTER IN THIS GAME WHO ISN'T VOICED BY MARK STRONG. BUT HEY, IF IT'S ANY CONSOLATION, THE REST OF US GOT MODELS. YEAH, WE'RE THE FIVE BARE HEADS IN THE STERNGUARD BOXED SET. I MEAN, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY VULNERABLE TO SNIPERS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S FANTASY, SO WHO CARES, RIGHT? ANYWAY, A RATIO OF FIVE MALE CHARACTERS TO ZERO FEMALE SEEMS JUST COMPLETELY FAIR.

'I MEAN, THIS WEIRD GUN WILL PROBABLY GET A MODEL BEFORE YOU DO.'

[Mud Duck]

Yep.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/d1/e7/9ad1e7fa0cfe39ff007f3f5868df687c.jpg

Modeled off one of the ladies at Blizzard.

[Subs]

Sooo, those noticeably female heads . . where did you get them from cause I'm thinking of doing some oriental / samurai style marines and those heads would be perfect. And I'm not being sarcastic, I am being 100% serious.

[YorkNecromancer]

Sooo, those noticeably female heads . . where did you get them from cause I'm thinking of doing some oriental / samurai style marines and those heads would be perfect. And I'm not being sarcastic, I am being 100% serious.

Honestly. No-one ever clicks the links... :)

Click here for a selection of heroic scale female heads! (http://statuesqueminiatures.shop033.com/Listing/search?keywords=heroic+scale&searchType=2&sortItem=7&sortDirection=0)

Note that Statuesque do female heads in a variety of scales, including truescale and their own 'pulp' scale. If you're doing 40K models, you'll want heroic scale, because the others will be much too small.

Oh, and if you're specifically doing a samurai-themed army...


Click here for 40K scale katana! (http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=209)
Click here for Astartes-scale sode pads! (http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=207)
Click here for Terminator-scale sode pads! (http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=296)
Click here for Astartes-scale Kabuto helmets! (http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=141)
Click here for Astartes-scale Sashimono banners! (http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=214)

[Mr Mystery]

The more people use those bits, the more visible they become, so the sculptors get the benefit, and GW might finally notice the demand is out there :)

[Subs]

Puppets was what convinced me I should do a oriental style Marine chapter but thanks for the Statuesque link.

[YorkNecromancer]

The more people use those bits, the more visible they become, so the sculptors get the benefit, and GW might finally notice the demand is out there :)

Definitely worth it for getting sculptors noticed.

But as for GW changing their way? Well, I want to be hopeful, but...

Well...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdgp6nPFEU1rxuv7ko1_500.gif

[Mr Mystery]

They are moving in the right direction, however slowly.

[Subs]

GW are building up a whole new library of digital 3D sculpts. I know for a fact GW started 'changing their ways' about 10 years ago. But that change has been so radical (and may have got of to a false start) to everything they do it's taken them a decade just to reproduce the old stuff and that's still a task they haven't quite finished. But I'm also in no doubt that AoS is their excuse to add brand new styles onto the existing library. That's exactly why they have restarted the fantasy setting, so they can introduce new stuff and styles, which will also bleed over into 40K. But as is obvious, they haven't even finished releasing the revamped old stuff for AoS yet. Although if you ask me, 10 years to completely change a design process and then redesign 20 years worth of back catalogue wasn't actually bad going, especially when you consider nobody in the world had actually done that before and very very few people in the world really though 3D printing was going to have such a huge effect on plastic injection molding and that not one single person had the slightest clue what they where doing.

[Psychosplodge]

Leman Russ's sword looks a bit more chaotic than I'd have expected, but I suppose they're going for a barbarian look.

[grimmas]

They are moving in the right direction, however slowly.

Well these things do take both time and money. I would point out that as we know AoS is has shown to be rather different on this score so there is an obvious change of direction (I would be interested to know if more ladies took up the hobby on finding out Stormcasts are created from female heroes as well as male ones).

Good work on the pictures thank you very much.

[Mr Mystery]

No worries :)

Soon as I got in, swooped to the retail stands to get some bits, then straight up the stairs to get snapping before everyone else had the same idea.

Can totally recommend attendance. It's far more relaxed than Gamesday used to be, but somehow feels like there's more to do.

[Psychosplodge]

Mystery, import your pics into imgur and rotate them, then edit your post with the replacement image? When you're bored or something at work.

[Mr Mystery]

The what now?

[grimmas]

No worries :)

Soon as I got in, swooped to the retail stands to get some bits, then straight up the stairs to get snapping before everyone else had the same idea.

Can totally recommend attendance. It's far more relaxed than Gamesday used to be, but somehow feels like there's more to do.

That's good to know. Get near to the FW stand at Gamesday was, problematic.

[Psychosplodge]

Your upside down images. rotate them in the editing tools of an online hosting site. You or a mod are the ones that can do it and replace the originals

[Gotthammer]

So what you're saying is if you actually suited someone of a larger build up in a full exo suit of 'power armour' you wouldn't actually be able to tell their gender anyway and that actually so long as you didn't really try and challenge peoples gender perceptions with something like a bearded woman and used mini heads with androgynous features or just helmets you could take any existing Space Marine type kit and paint and model it up to look just like the concept above except she would actually be wearing her full chest plate.

No, the point was that saying they don't do female miniatures because they are somehow harder as they are all lithe and graceful is ridiculous.
That thinking is rubbish because there are the Wood Elf, Dark Elf, Eldar, and Dark Eldar lines (and arguably parts of the Tau & undead lines) as well as the LoTR range that show delicate miniatures in plastic are very possible. And not to mention the huge variance in male figures put out by GW - not all are hulking brutes in power armour but they don't struggle to put them out.

My point was that thinking for a model to be feminine, or coded female that they must be lithe, graceful and slim is crap.

As EG posted Zarya is clearly female, and she isn't exactly lithe. I'm really not sure what your point is with bearded women or all that - like are you saying "you could kinda replicate her with existing parts"? Because if that is so you're missing the point. Saying "well if you put in a lot of work you can kind of make your own representation if you squint hard enough" is weak. They're the self proclaimed best mini company in the world but they can't sculpt women? Please.

It's things like in animation where they say it's hard to make women look different in their style yet somehow manage to make all the men look totally unlike each other:

https://familyinequality.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/brave-hands.jpg

https://familyinequality.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/stoick-valka.jpg

(more here (http://mklutz.tumblr.com/post/107103589692/sameface-part-2-revenge-of-the-gender-dimorphism))

It's the fact that women are represented as either young (<25 years old), slim (no evident muscle mass*), and conforming to western beauty standards - or they are old crones - or they are portly one offs, often matronly but also used as ogre analogues. As an example Toughest Girls In The Galaxy, who have solved the lithe, graceful sculpting problem, have a grand total of two adult female miniatures (to my knowledge) who are lacking supermodel physiques:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/6452/products/KikiBox---Box-Front.jpg?v=1459172543

http://i.imgur.com/5KB7au5.jpg

It should also be noted that the first model is called Kiki Bulldozer and is a "bio-experiment survivor"... so the only way to be overweight is for it to be the result of an experiment...

It's also things like the Blood Bowl human team is all male. Are women not human anymore? A little hyperbolic but when representation for women is a specialist extra (if there is any) is sure feels like it. And on that topic here is a great photo series of different women athletes:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1470673/original.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1470692/original.jpg

(well worth opening in a new window if you can't see it properly)

So a huge variance in builds even amongst hyper fit women, yet so many women's BB teams look like this:

http://cdn.bjbikers.com/images/imported/ww/1YUot_7linebackers.jpg

So yeah, the problem isn't that that scultping women is hard, it's that the sculptors think women can only look a certain way and that their existence (like that of anyone who isn't a central/western European white person) is totally optional.


*the DE kits slightly subvert this, but given the bare arms are used on both the male and female models I am highly sceptical of it being intentional.

And as a final side note, I find it hilarious (in a terrible way) that FW seems to be making stuff for The Hobbit, which I can't really see being in any sort of demand, yet have to my knowledge produced a single female miniature in their entire existence.

[YorkNecromancer]

'Male miniatures are who I want to be; female miniatures are who I want to f**k.'

No-one will ever say this, but I'm 99% certain this is the reason behind...

Well, I was going to say 'wargaming design principles' but honestly, I think you could basically apply it to almost everything ever created by heterosexual male artists, who are the ones responsible for the vast majority of the aesthetic decisions we consume.

The exceptions (like, say the 'ugly' female/orc models) feels a little like 'the gentleman doth protest too much'.

'No, no I don't want to fap to them all! Look at this one! I'd never fap to her!'

But of course, secretly he does.

[grimmas]

Sigh, if only we had a separate thread for this sort of thing. 🙄

[Psychosplodge]

'Male miniatures are who I want to be;

Mostly this. I don't imagine there's many none white/male figure designers in GW.


female miniatures are who I want to f**k.'

No-one will ever say this, but I'm 99% certain this is the reason behind...



Needs more corsets and stockings.
:p

[Kirsten]

Sigh, if only we had a separate thread for this sort of thing. 🙄

if only it wasn't still an issue in 2016

[Mr Mystery]

'Male miniatures are who I want to be; female miniatures are who I want to f**k.'

No-one will ever say this, but I'm 99% certain this is the reason behind...

Well, I was going to say 'wargaming design principles' but honestly, I think you could basically apply it to almost everything ever created by heterosexual male artists, who are the ones responsible for the vast majority of the aesthetic decisions we consume.

The exceptions (like, say the 'ugly' female/orc models) feels a little like 'the gentleman doth protest too much'.

'No, no I don't want to fap to them all! Look at this one! I'd never fap to her!'

But of course, secretly he does.

Sad thing is, GW aren't even all that bad at making female sculpts.

Wyches/Witch Elves? Background reasons - bare flesh to tempt the blade, and to feel the blood of the foe. Other female Elf/Eldar models are well proportioned and not that ridiculously FEMALEBCOZBEWEBSCANYOUSEETHEBEWEBSI'VENEVERACTUALL YSEENPROPERBEWEBSSOI'MWORKINGFROMMYOVERACTIVEIMAGI NATIONOFWHATBEWEBSACTUALLYAREILIKEBEWEBSBUTGIRLSSA YNO

SoB/Sisters of Sigmar/Sisters of Silence? Again, hardly '13 year old' views of wimmins. Even the Sisters Repentia aren't alluringly posed, despite their lack of garments.

Compare to other companies, particularly 3rd party one where the women all seem to have a horrific, likely crippling deformity of the spine and two footballs up their shirts.

[grimmas]

if only it wasn't still an issue in 2016

Everything has a place Kirsten.

I was going to repurpose one of those "I don't like it when it's not about me" meme from the feminist/LGBT threads. But that would be unnecessarily snarky and to be fair to you, you are both female and post lots of good hobby stuff so I would give more respect to your opinions than that.

[krushgroove]

Sooo...if this thread is still about Warhammer Fest :)

I've uploaded a ton of pictures I took from Warhammer Fest:

Forge World area: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1122682271116836.1073741850.796633433721723&type=3
(tried sorting the photos by Knight heads, Mastodon, Warlord, Porphyrion, etc., but Facebook album organizing SUCKS so eh)

Forge World seminar: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1121692631215800.1073741848.796633433721723&type=3

Blood Bowl stuff (plus super close-ups of every model): https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1121695161215547.1073741849.796633433721723&type=3&uploaded=46

If you click through the main page link there there's pictures of the exclusive stuff, prices of the Mastodon and Stormbird and other things.

Walkabout video:
https://youtu.be/_pWQHLf7uWI

I've got Golden Demon photos as well plus many shots of the very cool Iron Warriors/World Eaters display coming, will upload them after editing.

[Mr Mystery]

The Orc BB sculpts are just so much better than the Human ones. Just seem more 'alive' in pose and that.

[Path Walker]

I love that Bloodbowl seems to have taken the Season structure for new teams from Dreadball. I wonder whose idea that was? Could it be the writer, who used to write the season books for Dreadball??

[grimmas]

Drat, Facebook pictures.

I'm not familiar with Dreadball Path, how does it work?

Mantic are mostly ex GW staff aren't they? I guess we shouldn't be surprised by any similarities (both ways ) it might have been an idea they tabled before they left.

[Path Walker]

Some are, some aren't, the founder Ronnie and the main rules guys, Alessio and Jake, both worked for GW but not on Blood Bowl.

One of the guys James left Mantic a few years back to work with the GW rules team after working on Dreadball.

Basically each season has additional rules or new ways to play and also introduces a set of new teams (which will use some of the new rules introduced) and new Star Players

Blood Bowl Season 1 will be called Death Blow and contains all the league rules and the core teams, the BB box will only have the rules for the stand alone game, not the league rules.

[eldargal]

Modeled off one of the ladies at Blizzard.

Really? I did not know that, very cool.

[grimmas]

Some are, some aren't, the founder Ronnie and the main rules guys, Alessio and Jake, both worked for GW but not on Blood Bowl.

One of the guys James left Mantic a few years back to work with the GW rules team after working on Dreadball.

Basically each season has additional rules or new ways to play and also introduces a set of new teams (which will use some of the new rules introduced) and new Star Players

Blood Bowl Season 1 will be called Death Blow and contains all the league rules and the core teams, the BB box will only have the rules for the stand alone game, not the league rules.

Excellent sounds like a good idea, it'll keep the excitement going and hopefully continue to attract people over time. People moving back and forth between companies will be good as well it'll help them get different viewpoints which will hopefully mean better stuff for us.

[Mr Mystery]

Unquantifiable I know, but I do often wonder how many are playing Dreadball etc simply because there's currently no Blood Bowl.

It's an odd one as without teams, pitches etc available, it's hard to say if people took up the other games because they were a better gaming experience?

Just idle mind vomit. Not meant to be insightful or a leading question!

[grimmas]

According to Wikipedia (hardly a cast iron source) about 2500 people backed the Dreadball Kickstarter and roughly the same amount for Dreadball Xtreme. About the limit of what I know as I don't play em but it might give you an insight.

[Path Walker]

Xtreme was a bit crap, as was Ultimate, both attempts to breathe more life into the game after they'd done all the teams they could think of. But, Dreadball is a great game, certainly my favourite Mantic game. A lot of good things to like about it and its a lot easier to pick up compared to Blood Bowl, which is a pretty obtuse game sometimes.

[Kolobius]

My 2 cents on the whole female sculpt issue.
I wouldn't buy a single female model. Not from a point of sexism but rather aesthetics. I am weird in that all 3 of my 40K armies are VERY uniform. I have Dark Angels, Grey Knights, and Tau. There isn't deviation amongst the squads, I try to model them all including helms to be identical, because they are an army. They are issued uniforms and equipment. Specifically they are in a totalitarian empire that executes you for the POSSIBILITY of being corrupt or in the case of the Tau were you are not an individual. So in my mind their uniform code would be very strict.

[Path Walker]

So you think being a woman is a sign of deviancy and you can't be in uniform if you're a woman? Yeah, no sexism in that statement.

[Erik Setzer]

Blood Bowl models look nice. Little bit "eh?" at the very prominent weapons they've got (which seems to be just completely blowing past "skirting the rules" to full-blown "forget there's any rules about weapons"). But that's the only quibble. The season concept was an obvious one to roll with, especially seeing others having success with it. Should work well. Basically just normal expansions, but being called "Seasons" gives a theme to them. If they do all teams with special dice and tokens, that'll be cool, but the cost needs to be kept in hand. I think people would be okay with $60 for a team (12 players plus goodies), but past that and it started getting iffy. That should give a respectable margin, though. VERY happy to hear the rules are staying pretty much the same!

I also like seeing new Hobbit stuff on the horizon. Hobbit/LotR was a fun game. It'd be nice to see more in GW stores, but at least it's something, and maybe some day it'll be back in the stores.

[Subs]

'Male miniatures are who I want to be.'

Just gonna put this out there but if you seriously think a 8 foot tall steroid rage fueled genetically engineered religiously brainwashed phychotic eunuch is in any way a male archetype worth aspiring to, you need to see a shrink.

And I'll support GW doing more to support different types of female body shapes when they stop portraying males as something other than being built like a brick **** house or being so dangerously emaciated by psychic powers and or technology their basically a walking corpse.

Then again this is 40K and maybe the models are sculpted to extremes for a reason.

Anyway Warhammerfest was good.

[Kolobius]

So you think being a woman is a sign of deviancy and you can't be in uniform if you're a woman? Yeah, no sexism in that statement.

Don't recall stating either of those facts. Seems to me more like you are looking for statements that aren't there in order to feel reinforced in your particular political ideology.
What I did say was that I want them all uniform. As in my models all have the same damn helms, shoulder pads, etc. I file down a lot of things or spend extra money buying bitz that are the exact same. Since the male models are common therefore that is what I have. If the female models were common that is what I would have. Understand now?
I don't want diversity in my sci fi and unrealistic army game models. This game is not an accurate description of "real life" yet you seem to be under the impression that it is.