Retro Corner - Space Fleet, the forerunner to Battlefleet Gothic.

[Denzark]

"Oh, so you fought in the Gothic Sector? That's cute. I've seen fleet actions that make that little dust up in Gothic seem like a playground fight between two Ratlings. Now now, don't be hasty shipmate, I'm sure you're handy with a boarding axe. Howabout you buy us both a wet - that 13 year old Cabellan Rum will do - and I'll spin you some dits that would turn an Ogryn to daily bathing...."

Back in the day, GW pushed out a series of 4 games designed as introductions to their respective worlds: Ultramarines (Space Hulk), Kerrunch (Bloodbowl)...um, something else I forget - but one I don't forget, was Space Fleet. Actually, the Wikipedia entry describes it well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Fleet

So I'll just cut on to reminiscing. The initial game had 2 Imperial Gothic Battleships and 2 Eldar Wraithships. It was played across 6 boards with 4x4 squares, looking like this:

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1505_zpsnfyyaqxy.jpg


But had 2 aspects which were unique at the time. The first, actually mirrored in Ultramarines, was that you held the number of dice you attacked with, above the upturned box, and dropped them in to a grid that looked like this:

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1506_zpsmacyy6eg.jpg


The second, which for me made this one of the best GW games - was that you both selected moves for your ships on a helm computer you hid. You then revealed simultaneously and moved simultaneously. Whoever fired first, even if you destroyed the target, it would get to fire back - to represent simultaneous combat. No IGYG. So actually you were jockeying for position, trying to get into unshielded arcs, and present broadsides to bear.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1507_zpsaaiclyds.jpg

[Denzark]

Now, I had a mucker, as we discussed the re-release of Blood Bowl, that he rated it GW's best ever game. High praise. For me, I think it is probably Space Fleet. But not in its original format. Because GW extended the rules in WD, making it far more advanced. Suddenly, you had points systems. Squadrons. Damage repairs. Boarding actions. Flag ships with extra abilities. Support vessels. Basically, the best bits of Wrath of Khan, the Undiscovered Country, the Dominion Wars - oh and probably Endor. The relevant White Dwarfs (Dwarves?) are the following:

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1508_zpsigltnbmb.jpg


This next picture shows you the expanded profile cards for the 2 ships supplied with the game, but changed them to have individual profiles. The Imperials have unshielded rear engines, and rely on broadsides - so you find yourself getting as close as possible then turning side on. Made them slightly predictable. The Eldar cleverly relied on the Solar Wind - you rolled for direction at the start, and then with it to your rear, you could go faster. Eldar used plasma torpedoes, that automatically did critical hits - normally a 6 on a hit square was critical.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1509_zpscwrmek6w.jpg


This next shot shows a typical ship with the WD provided counters. Yellow being shields, the skull being damage. Counting down until a satisfying 'shields down' was shown, and then you clearly tried to turn the ship away to present an undamaged side. Once a ship went to 0 damage, it was crippled, and then could potentially be boarded, maybe repaired and limp away. A 12 on 2d6 meant the lucky repair crew managed to get engines and weapons online again - and the luckiest person could do this with an enemy ship.



http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1512_zpswlqxs8lf.jpg


This next shot shows an Eldar fleet. As mentioned, the larger ships are Wraithsips. The smaller are Shadow Hunters - which had an interesting mechanic of Eldar Holofields, which meant the faster they went, the harder they were to hit - you've got the T-shirt I'm sure. In practise, on a limited space table, One could guess where they would need to turn, position a battleship, and then broadside them before they went speeding off in the other direction. The Eldar only had 2 ships - although concept art showed another variant with 3 sails.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1513_zps5rkkmu4o.jpg

[Denzark]

This next shot shows some Imperial Ships. Left to right: Cobra Destroyer, Thunderbolt Cruiser, Annihilator Battleship, Gothic Battleship.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1514_zps5pby9v0j.jpg


Next up, the biggest baddest ship in the whole game - the Emperor Capital Ship, and most usually Flagship of the fleet. To show what a beast he was, I wanted him in black. Yes, there were rules for using the prow ram to literally smash people apart - if you could guess where they would end up while moving.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1515_zpsxipvrq1n.jpg


Next, a trio of Imp ships - the Ironclad, the Gothic and Annihilator Battleships. The Ironclads were fun, because as their name suggests, rather than shields, they were so old they just had slabs of metal. The Annihilator had a giant turret you could turn 90 degrees a turn, but had to plan when to.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1517_zps1evc7kt0.jpg


Next, a trio of support ships. Left to right - a Galaxy troop ship, a Castellan Shield Ship and a Stalwart Escort frigate. The troop ship was naff all use - except if you managed to board something where the troops on board would come into play. The Shield ship was like a mobile Void Shield Generator - but you had to power it down before it absorbed too many hits. The Stalwart created a blind spot. None of these were huge in game terms, but made for some excellent narrative.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1518_zpsbppivxy4.jpg


An Imperial Fleet arrayed for battle...


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1519_zpsptsuiuta.jpg

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To start with, you were restricted to just Imp and Eldar. However, Chaos used the same ships as the Imps so your fleet was just a paintshop away...

A pair of Firestorm Cruisers with an Ironclad.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1521_zpsauxt0k0z.jpg


A Dictator Class ship, dedicated to the Blood God. This beast was all about boarding, his claws grabbed the 3 squares in front, and with sufficient dice he would stick the drill in and disgorge troops. Bear in mind these things are what, 3 miles long or summat....


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1522_zpscngiswko.jpg


Dominator Class. This bad boy targeted 9 squares, represented by the box lid. You dropped in 6 dice, and they hit the actual squares the dice landed in.



http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1523_zps0ksrn7at.jpg


Tyrant Battleship - a mini-me for the Emperor Capital.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1524_zps9cjrxggb.jpg

[Denzark]

Next up, GW released Tyranids. Interestingly, some of the ships were re-purposed from an earlier citadel spaceship line. The Tyranids worked slightly differently, in which they had a number of command cards and took actions from these cards. The Hiveship contributed 6 - massive - and so, reflecting the fluff, a lot of battles became a desperate attempt to break the line, slay the Hive ship which would then disrupt the hive mind. Easier said than done...


L-R: Spore Mine, War Drone, Void Fiend, Doomripper Kraken.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1525_zpswigq085u.jpg


L-R: Deathburner Kraken, Dark Prowler, Ramsmiter Kraken, Hellblaster Kraken.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1526_zps7st1gs8c.jpg


The Hiveship itself:


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1527_zpszv2fr0x1.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Never played this one. I remember it (and Ultramarines and Kerrunch!) being on the shelves when I first started, but I had such limited funds they all got aimed at Epic.

Ship Manouevres....guess we know where X-Wing found inspiration!

[Denzark]

Now, I can sometimes appear to be an unreconstructed GW fanboi. However, I have nothing against other companies per se. Everything you saw before was, with the exception of the metal work, was humbrol paints - as an example.

Another is that I used to use similar build scale ships to represent. They were fairly easy to make up rules for, or just say 'its x-class' based on size and appearance.

First up, 2 Ultramarine Thunderbolt Cruisers. Actually- a Micro Machines Runabout and a Revell click together Maquis fighter.


http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1531_zpsen2n3pld.jpg




Next - can't remember what I used these bad-boys for, but due to being mostly white schemes, they subbed in as Imps. A Revell click together Voyager and a Micro Machines Bird of Prey.



http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1532_zps0e4haxcy.jpg


These 2 were 2 of my favourites. A Deathguard Dominator Battleship and a Black Legion ... something. Both Micro Machines, a Klingon Painbringer and Romulan Warbird. For the observant, you may say 'that's Dusk Raiders not Deathguard'. Well I say this was painted last century and referenced the Epic Space Marine Box art - this is a retro corner you know.



http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/Space%20Fleet/IMG_1533_zpskqyupoao.jpg

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I don't really have any other comments to make. All ships were painted by my Dad in late 90s - I think I got the game on a 'buy 2 yellows and get a red free' deal from a GW opening, which if you remember them deals, you're showing your age!

The dust is because I wanted to photo these as I am about to move house - they are getting packed.


After a while, the game tactics could be a bit samey - so to change it up, I got more boards. I then laid them down 3 across, mebbe 6 long. For deployment, we rolled 2d6 across, 6d6 along and faced out from your table edge. This represented a jump zone - made it far more edgey as you could be found hugely out of position with a key unit, or have a multiple ram. Good Admirals fight away from system jump zones!

Lastly, if you are going to collect this, make sure the ships are offered with the correct base - the black plastic with slots illustrated - some gougers try and give you old school citadel flying bases.


I hope this trip down retro lane has been of interest, but if you get a chance to play the full version of this or, holiest of holies, buy a copy - do it - you won't regret it...

[Haighus]

Looks like an intriguing ruleset. Would be cool to play it with more modern BFG ships. I can also clearly see the design inspiration for some of the later ship aesthetics in some of those ships too.

[Mr Mystery]

Close up of the box art...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_mQ2Hrow-sA/VT9HCHyk7lI/AAAAAAAAaOE/_fwZcmRX-N8/s1600/White%2BDwarf%2B%23139%2B1.jpg

Can't help but imagine the Techpriest saying 'look, you knobber, it's Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right. Left, Right, A, B, FIRE, it says it right here!'

[Denzark]

Ha! Fair one MM. I think Tony Hough did a lot of the art, some of it was awesome.

[grimmas]

Yes the box lid for dice rolling GW would try anything back then.

I always liked that the Ironclad was such a venerable design that had so much armour added over time it had become super resilient.

Its really interesting to see what ideas remained for BFG. The different aesthetics for ships from different shipyards for instance. Of course the difference much more pronounced in Space Fleet but it was a concept I'm glad they kept if only it was really obvious in the Voss shipyard designs.

[Chris*ta]

I remember the articles from WD, and I still have a copy of the boxed game ... somewhere. The plastic ships are quite nicely done.

My recollection is that Space Fleet was released before the four other intro games that you mention, (rather than being one of them) but I may be wrong. I remember there being one called Mighty something and it used the art that was also the cover of WD132. I believe it included the skaven miniatures and board pieces from Advanced Heroquest, iirc.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/611nB2FtfwL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Dragon Masters?

[grimmas]

It was called Mighty Warriors. I never played it I thought it was WFB lite though.

[Bold or Stupid]

Mighty Warriors was - I think - basically Advanced Heroquest light. Which I'll admit is an odd concept at best...

[Gotthammer]

Some old art for you all, most all by Tony Hough (some is from the 1990 concepts of the original Battlefleet Gothic that was never released, not sure how much of it was used elsewhere). Titles are what I've been able to glean the pieces are called or represent:

"One day, son..."

https://41.media.tumblr.com/532ae2ed1ae38d7e553072c82002a9d1/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo1_1280.jpg


Gun deck:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/e13d6f357b9776656736a6ad7718da9b/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo2_1280.jpg


Targeting matrix:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/a4db78f56b93ac905b032aab4492c59f/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo3_1280.jpg


Unknown:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/621638d5c5f1600a36dc7ae314ec6844/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo4_1280.jpg


Unknown:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/1bfdc6eec86edf0b0b763d1fa8b3d9dc/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo5_1280.jpg


Eldar bridge:

https://36.media.tumblr.com/449cae8e2346f5a82af91c7ba7b72a4f/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo7_1280.jpg


Eldar broadside (this piece, devoid of context, appears in the Rogue Trader rulebook and always seemed a bit odd - like why are they looking at a stopwatch? Well those familiar with older naval warfare know gunnery officers used stopwatches to time torpedoes, which given the vast distances of space combat is a fair analogy):

https://36.media.tumblr.com/20b1239b1027344aabeaaef8561ba315/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo8_1280.jpg


Eldar weapons fire:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/e8572966c29a76ce8d871f3e909de6c8/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo9_1280.jpg


All hands to battle stations:

https://36.media.tumblr.com/febccefb3cfab8991f5ea20866963eac/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo6_1280.jpg


Hold of the titan transport:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/5834edb2dfab588b86e1e5a31e81ccc3/tumblr_o2lfdx7uW41r3nwsxo10_1280.jpg

[Gotthammer]

Imperial galleon:

https://36.media.tumblr.com/763b286602994169f63041fe3b59b438/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo1_1280.jpg


Imperial warship:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/10f9738870cf007ac32e2dae795ca6c1/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo2_1280.jpg


This one was labelled as "ImperialFleetApproachAstro" so a representation of the Astronomicon?

https://40.media.tumblr.com/b924da5d3adb194ffd453a8f4e2876a0/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo3_1280.jpg


Imperial ship rides shockwave:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/bee5f555e23d15c6941ec13f92a44771/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo4_1280.jpg


Space blast:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/5fb215dc63e3dde49302d8950edcedc0/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo6_1280.jpg


Orbital barrage:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/8f188987ba98dfdc98c385a9b26504e8/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo7_1280.jpg


"Space nuke"

https://36.media.tumblr.com/26e6edaea582c42b0ab3c1142a43a026/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo8_1280.jpg


The great ship:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/87fbc3472499d8354262cd4a3086eabd/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo9_1280.jpg


And this ones actually from Space Crusade, but is still nifty:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/aec7af93019b7628bdd2a621e3472463/tumblr_o2lfggSF2d1r3nwsxo5_500.jpg

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Oh, forgot - for a bit of history about the original Battlefleet Gothic that never appeared and turned into Space Fleet (and discussion of Space Fleet itself) check out this article (http://leadplague.blogspot.fr/2015/04/from-space-fleet-to-battlefleet-gothic.html) and its sequel (http://leadplague.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/from-space-fleet-to-battlefleet-gothic.html).

[BunkhouseBuster]

Nice! I wish I could have been into wargaming back in those days. Alas, I would have been far too young for anything; in 1991 I was only two years old. I did manage to pick up a decent sized Imperial Fleet and play a bunch of Battlefleet Gothic right before GW killed it a couple years ago.

[Mr Mystery]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-meC0UVMdNIE/VT9G9Nyf1sI/AAAAAAAAaNU/sV8pmALVddQ/s1600/Crewmen.jpg

Interesting how many of the early concepts are still appearing these days.

See that rivet gun on the left?

http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Cybernetica-Datasmith.jpg

And the shotgun?

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/6/17/236088_sm-Scouts,%20Space%20Marines.jpg

Seems as if Jes is now able to realise anything he can sketch. I imagine that must be a real joy for any sculptor.

[Captain Bubonicus]

Ship Manouevres....guess we know where X-Wing found inspiration!

I think it's older than that - I remember an old WWI fighter combat game from the late 70's/early 80's that used a maneuver reveal mechanic, too! I think it was "Aces High."

[Haighus]

What exactly is a 'boarding gaff', other than GW at the time realising un-augmented humans in assault was a joke? :D

[Mr Mystery]

It's a pointy stick, innit.

[Haighus]

Ahh, I did not realise that a gaff was also a nautical tool consisting of a hook on a pole, not just a joke or a mistake. Thanks Mystery for leading me to google the phrase.

Also the method used to support that scout using tweezers is rather neat, I like it!

[JamesP]

Some old art for you all, most all by Tony Hough (some is from the 1990 concepts of the original Battlefleet Gothic that was never released, not sure how much of it was used elsewhere). Titles are what I've been able to glean the pieces are called or represent:

These are amazing, thanks for finding them (and the leadplague links). I have a few of the pictures from the Space Fleet WD articles and some other bits but it's fascinating to see the rest.

[Gotthammer]

Seems as if Jes is now able to realise anything he can sketch. I imagine that must be a real joy for any sculptor.

Just to be pedantic but the rivet gun design appears on the belt of one of the original artificer armour marines and the shotgun with the first Adeptus Arbites, both dating back to 1991 so not recent realisations.


These are amazing, thanks for finding them (and the leadplague links). I have a few of the pictures from the Space Fleet WD articles and some other bits but it's fascinating to see the rest.

No problem :) Stuff of Legends has nice pictures of all the available ships (http://www.solegends.com/citsfleet/index.htm) as well.