40k End Times (NOT plastic Horus Heresy)

[Defenestratus]

Seems that one of the more notable rumormonger sites is reporting an admittedly EXTRA SALTY rumor that the points system in 40k is going away and that formations are all we'll get.

So 40k is about to get Sigmarized potentially.

Thoughts?

[Alaric]

Same as AOS. People will make their own system for points, some will ragequit and the rest will carry on. I just cant take it seriously though. Funny to chat aboot tho.

[Erik Setzer]

I don't think they're quite that stupid.

But hey, it'd be the final step in them being able to say they're not a game company, they're a model company, and if you choose to use your models as toys rather than sitting them on a shelf to look pretty like you're supposed to, that's on you.

Still think it's not likely.

[Kirsten]

seems highly unlikely to me. Age of Sigmar was a response to a number of specific issues, which 40k doesn't have. no point changing the whole system when it sells and is successful.

[Rissan4ever]

Agreed. Fantasy sales had been declining for a long time before AoS; they HAD to change everything in order to save the brand. 40K doesn't seem to have that problem.

[Defenestratus]

Agreed. Fantasy sales had been declining for a long time before AoS; they HAD to change everything in order to save the brand. 40K doesn't seem to have that problem.

Remember GW doesn't think you buy your miniatures for the game. They think you buy the minis for the models, for the joy of assembling and painting them. The game is secondary to your overall hobby experience.

Why should they spend so much capital in games development if their customers don't care as much about the game as the models*

*NOTE: This statement is based off of the statements that GW has made in their half-year statements about the nature of what they see as their customer base - not my own opinions which differ significantly.

[Insert_nickname_here]

I hope they finally get rid of these round bases, so that I can line my orks up in nice ranks.

[Al Shut]

On the other hand if one believes that the AoS no points self balancing system is working there is no reason to keep points in 40k. More freedom for players to create fun and exiting games or something like that.

I have come to expect the unexpected, or in my case the unwanted.

[odinsgrandson]

This has been a fear on the minds of paranoid 40k players since Age of Sigmar was revealed. It is easy to see how some enthusiastic gamer could have accidentally started this rumor.

I honestly don't see them doing this. By most accounts (some from GW) Age of Sigmar is not doing so great, and I really can't see why they'd send their beloved son into the meat grinder like that.

[Popsical]

Probably the best thing that GW could do is AoS 40k. Yes i am serious about that and not taking the pee.
Every unit comes with its own rules, no need to faff about with a thick rule book to find the latest special rule that half the time you forget.
Build your army out if formations not codexs, no need to produce codexs just make campaign books periodically that add the new units GW make.
GW dont care about the tournament scene, and judging by the awful spamfest army lists that people use to be the biggest beatstick and show the world whos boss i really dont blame them.
Roll on The end of Imperium.

[odinsgrandson]

Things that people don't complain about in AoS:

- Rules for free
- Rules that come with the units

If they do that with 40k, then that'd be great. No need to buy every book, Woohoo!

Things that people complain about in AoS:

- Rules wording that leaves game changing details up to interpretation
- Lack of any balancing mechanic in the game

The rules wording isn't so much worse than it in in other GW games, so that's not such a big deal. One FAQ and we're done.


But if Games Workshop takes all balancing mechanics out of 40k, they should add a suicide note in the back of the rulebook.

That's not to say that they couldn't conceivably balance the game with formations- but they need to put forth an effort to balance the game.

[Popsical]

GW. Balance the game... yeah ok, you lost me there.
Everyone complains that 40k isnt remotely balanced, lots of people say it never has been balanced.
Sooooo, why bother to balance it now?

[Cutter]

Seems that one of the more notable rumormonger sites is reporting an admittedly EXTRA SALTY rumor that the points system in 40k is going away and that formations are all we'll get.

So 40k is about to get Sigmarized potentially.

Thoughts?

I'd be good with it, as it would provide a convenient point for me to draw a line under my extensive but largely unused 40k collection.

[Path Walker]

Remember GW doesn't think you buy your miniatures for the game. They think you buy the minis for the models, for the joy of assembling and painting them. The game is secondary to your overall hobby experience.

Why should they spend so much capital in games development if their customers don't care as much about the game as the models*

*NOTE: This statement is based off of the statements that GW has made in their half-year statements about the nature of what they see as their customer base - not my own opinions which differ significantly.

No it isn't, it's based on either your willful misinterpretation, you believing something you read online or your own inability to understand things.

They said that for 80% of their customer base, that playing the game wasn't their main motivation for buying, we've had polls here that back that up. They're saying that only 20% of customers only buy models to play the game with. They said that this hobby is a hobby and that for a lot of people, the collecting, painting and assembling them is their primary focus. I spend a lot less than 20% of my hobby time playing games and I'm sure almost everyone else here would probably be in a similar boat.

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I'd be good with it, as it would provide a convenient point for me to draw a line under my extensive but largely unused 40k collection.

You can quit at any time you know? There is a log out button at the top of the page if that helps?

[Cutter]

You can quit at any time you know? There is a log out button at the top of the page if that helps?

But I don't come here for the 40k silly, to quote your favourite movie,

"the truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

[Defenestratus]

They said that for 80% of their customer base, that playing the game wasn't their main motivation for buying, we've had polls here that back that up. They're saying that only 20% of customers only buy models to play the game with. They said that this hobby is a hobby and that for a lot of people, the collecting, painting and assembling them is their primary focus. I spend a lot less than 20% of my hobby time playing games and I'm sure almost everyone else here would probably be in a similar boat.

Oh spare me your pointless cheerleader hot air.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can read the statement that GW put out and infer that they've given up making *GAMES* and instead are focusing on making *Collectible models*. Anyone who denies the fact that the game itself is paramount in the ability to move models is just deluding themselves, or drinking the GW koolaid so hard that they're passing bolter bits every morning after coffee.

Regardless of what you think GW's strategy is (or what they've told you to think) - perception is reality, and gamers are feeling (perceiving) abandoned by GW lately. I see it every freakin day. My good friends in Minneapolis just told me that one of the oldest and largest stores in that area is completely dropping GW from their product lineup? Why? Because nobody is buying models from GW? Why? Because nobody up there is really *playing* GW games anymore.

Many people see the AoS-ification of 40k as the final straw and vindication of that perception. As a company, its GW's job to turn that perception around, or face the repercussions of being abandoned by some of their most historically loyal customers.