Wishful Thinking- which faction should get a mini-dex?

[Ivarr]

Just a wishful thinking discussion...was thinking about how much I want to see a Genestealer Cult mini-dex and wondered what you guys thought

[Cactus]

My answer is Squats (nay Space Dwarfs) and personally, I like a Genestealer cult, but I think the other Chaos Gods should get their due first.

[Arkhan Land]

I would love some sqaut action, ally with tau or imperium, weapons as apropriate.

I voted for the GCs cause I feel bad the nids are so all alone, the ability to maybe loot some other tech could really changeup the nid game and give them a lil more diversity of play style. i canned a lot of my army sans a stealer swarm and a select few things minus my big bugs, wouldnt mind getting a chance to do something with them and a lil side force as well

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I want to see the Slaugth with their weird bio-constructs ;

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slaugth

Thave have three types of constructs described, Vassals, Harvest which are descibred as vehicle-sized and Warrior Vassals. They have three HQ's described allthough it sounds like only Intendents are the ones that get into the action. Seems perfect for a mini-dex and you could make a kit for all three of the vassal types and make them duel kits to double the units and a clampack for the Intendents.

Yeah, i've thought about this a bit :P

[Chris*ta]

I want to see the Slaugth with their weird bio-constructs

You would :p

Personally, I am so close to spending a bunch of money on Dreamforge's Eisenkern minis (and other bits) and making an Adeptus Arbites army ...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

You would :p

Personally, I am so close to spending a bunch of money on Dreamforge's Eisenkern minis (and other bits) and making an Adeptus Arbites army ...

Blimey, It's like I got a reputation for obsessing over asymmetrical floating aliens here or something :P

[energongoodie]

I Super want a Genestealer cult list.... But now you have chucked Arbites into the mix..... I want them hard!

[Mr Mystery]

Dirty boy!

Me? I honestly don't know. 12 months ago, Mechanicum all the way. Which of course we now have.

Genestealer Cults sound fine....except.....except I fear they may end up being quite boring. Poorly equipped Brood Brothers are a staple, Hybrids? Depends. Different squads for different generations?

What I wouldn't like to see is a simple 'Astra Militarum, NOW WITH ADDED GENESTEALERS LOLOLOLOL'

Just my opinion. Got nothing against the background, army or its fans.

[Arkhan Land]

I Super want a Genestealer cult list.... But now you have chucked Arbites into the mix..... I want them hard!

just wait for the necromunda list. quite frankly I have about 20/30 arbits and converted castigators/rhinos and unless they got some major special rule love theyd still be a force to be clobbered

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Dirty boy!

Me? I honestly don't know. 12 months ago, Mechanicum all the way. Which of course we now have.

Genestealer Cults sound fine....except.....except I fear they may end up being quite boring. Poorly equipped Brood Brothers are a staple, Hybrids? Depends. Different squads for different generations?

What I wouldn't like to see is a simple 'Astra Militarum, NOW WITH ADDED GENESTEALERS LOLOLOLOL'

Just my opinion. Got nothing against the background, army or its fans.


You could have a ten man infantry kit that makes your basic cultists, they could be your typical robed dudes with basic weapons. Perhaps knives and swords that have a genestealery look to them but be obviously manufactured by the cult themselves using capturing factories, cultists do like fancy ornate stuff that is styled after whatever stuff they are worshipping. You could even given them tyranid styled masks that theme further as you don't want them to be boring bland generic hooded/robed dudes. These could fullfil the troops choice.

A five man duel hybrid kit that makes two types of hybrids. These could be better updates on those old hybrids that are more inline with the modern tyranid range. You could have two sets of heads for example, one set where the heads are more obviously human but with a few bumps and stuff (like star trek aliens lol) and then a second set of heads that have the more elongated genestealer heads but with more slightly human features. The arms could be similarly themed with one set being more mutated human arms and one set being more genestealery. These could probably fullfill the elite choices.

Genestealer Magus and Patriarch clampacks are a no-brainer. Theres your HQ's.

A vehicle that has enough crap on it to theme it to the cult. Manufactured by the cult so it has a genestealery "look" to it (eg the gun turret could have that bio-mechanical look to it but be obviously produced in a factory). Could make that a duel kit to squeeze out a few units so you could have your heavy support and transport made from this.

Add in the option to use genestealers too and you should have enough for a decent force on par with harlequins, cult mechanicus and skitarri.
I know. i have too much time on my hands. I know.

[Defenestratus]

Where is the option for Eldar Exodites?

[Arkhan Land]

my guess is there'll be some sort of mega-psyker unit, somthing a of a squishy flak armoured librarius conclave from the hive underworld.

put that with the magus' powers and some of the broodlord/brotherlord/patriarchs ML1s and you might be looking at some sort serious psyker force. especially if they do something nuts like give the patriarch and the magus the ability to do something nuts like remove fearless or some sort of other badass old-school power like that

[Mr.Pickelz]

Kult of Speed or Speed Freakz for Orks. With the Kastrel Novem book out of print, and the Forgeworld PDF gone. Units like Zhardsnark are currently gone, and probably won't be updated. Getting weird units like a Big Squiggoth with a rocket/jet pack bolted on would be awesome, as well as getting Wazzdakka back too.

[Morgrim]

Anything non-human and non-Imperial. There are way, way, way too many armies that all belong to a single faction.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Anything non-human and non-Imperial. There are way, way, way too many armies that all belong to a single faction.

Agreed. Galaxy feels so small with so few aliens represented imo

[Cactus]

Anything non-human and non-Imperial. There are way, way, way too many armies that all belong to a single faction.

It's funny how everyone views the game a little differently even though we all read the same fluff.

I've always saw 40k as a game of Imperial expansion followed by Imperial civil war (analogous to the fall of Britain's "empire".) All of the other Xenos are just minor players in a game about humans fighting their dark side.

[Charistoph]

Daemonkin books are not mini-sized, so they are out.

Black Templar are a Supplement target unless they plan to go Angels/Wolves with them. So unless the Angels and Puppies go mini-dex, Templars are also pointless.

Deathwatch is Legion of the Damned-sized, but could be bigger.

But Genestealer Cults have been around for quite some time, would provide some actual new models instead of only needing an upgrade sprue, and the 'Nids need some loving.

[Andrew Thomas]

Deathwatch has been lost in the woods ever since the 5th ed SM codex dropped. would be cool if they got brought back.

What I'd love to see as out-of-left-field minidexes are Mercenaries, Rogue Traders, and... Perpetuals.

[Ivarr]

What I'd love to see as out-of-left-field minidexes are Mercenaries, Rogue Traders, and... Perpetuals.

I'd really like to see a Rogue Trader mini-dex...or even a set of Kill Teams style rules for them.

[Mr Mystery]

Orky Klans.

Wildboyz, Madboyz, Tinboyz, Boarboyz.

Loads of stuff they could cover.

[Renegade]

Mini-dex wise I would like to see Black Templar revisited... But what I would really like to see is some Imperial Armour love for the Xeno, other than Eldar, that covers areas that AM, SM and Renegades have received.

If Forge World gave Nids the love that Chaos renegades got with the Gene-cults, or did the various Ork Klanz, I have little doubt that they would be a hit and a worth while buy.

[Psychosplodge]

Agreed. Galaxy feels so small with so few aliens represented imo

Well the big E was really efficient at xenocide during the great crusade :D

I voted Deathwatch because if greyknights get a 'dex they should have one. But I'd rather see space dwarves return.

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

When you've got Space Marines fighting in the style of Imperial Guard, you've got to be double hard, or really good at running and hiding not to get roflstomped into extinction.

And that's with the Primarchs taking a personal interest in your demise....

If you look at the species that did survive, you've pretty much got Hrud, Orks and Eldar as anything like major players. Hrud? Infestations were apparently nasty as, and incredibly difficult to properly eradicate (and yes, I'd like a Hrud army). Orks? Easy enough to find, but dealing with them is a lot tricker, given their ludicrous numbers and proliferation. Eldar? Got to find the spindly ones first - and with Craftworlds being out in the void, and everyone else creeping about the Webway, that's far more a matter of blind luck than judgement - let alone having the necessary level of force to actually do something about them should you find them!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

The Hrud deserve to be a "main" army rather than a mini one like harlequins and cult mechanicus imo. Always thought they'd be awesome, especially if you bring in their Shadowy allies.

[Haighus]

Yup.

When you've got Space Marines fighting in the style of Imperial Guard, you've got to be double hard, or really good at running and hiding not to get roflstomped into extinction.

And that's with the Primarchs taking a personal interest in your demise....

If you look at the species that did survive, you've pretty much got Hrud, Orks and Eldar as anything like major players. Hrud? Infestations were apparently nasty as, and incredibly difficult to properly eradicate (and yes, I'd like a Hrud army). Orks? Easy enough to find, but dealing with them is a lot tricker, given their ludicrous numbers and proliferation. Eldar? Got to find the spindly ones first - and with Craftworlds being out in the void, and everyone else creeping about the Webway, that's far more a matter of blind luck than judgement - let alone having the necessary level of force to actually do something about them should you find them!

Eldar were next though, until Magnus buggered up the Emperor's pet project...
I think the difficulty with the Hrud was that in large enough numbers, they started to warp space around them. So the huge migrations were devastating and mind destroying for defending forces. hrud would be awesome, but im not sure if they could do the models justice without them either ending up looking like jawas, or loosing their cloaked ability and being able to see the body structure beneath, both of which would be a shame.

[Charon]

Eldar were next though, until Magnus buggered up the Emperor's pet project...

Unlikely as even Necrons do use the webway nowadays and not even the Eldar know its full extent. Besides you can seal off parts or even destroy connections and afaik there is no one left in the galaxy who knows how to create paths anymore (the Eldar just maintain/repair).

[Path Walker]

Hrud are great but they're not "main army", or probably even "mini dex" because they're too odd of a concept to be able to translate to an army. Any attempt to make them workable would probably take away some of their charm. I think they're great in the fluff when they do show up and they're a perfect little "fluff" race to throw in every now and then to the background. The background benefits from their being unknowns, hints and things that aren't perfectly clear.

I think as far as Xenos go, you do now have a lot more options than we used to, hell I remember pre-Tau and Necron days, when your choice was Ork, Eldar or Tyranid.

I'd like to see Kroot get a minidex, they have the fluff to support a few different unit types and they have a popular main force to ally with.

GW proper isn't going to release anything that isn't a plastic kit and to make a plastic kit you have to have to know it will sell tens of thousands of units, a plastic Ambull or a unit of Hrud probably won't tick that box

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Unlikely as even Necrons do use the webway nowadays and not even the Eldar know its full extent. Besides you can seal off parts or even destroy connections and afaik there is no one left in the galaxy who knows how to create paths anymore (the Eldar just maintain/repair).

That's kind of his point, the Emperor had worked out how to make new gates into the Webway, that's the project that Magnus ruined and why he was rebuked.

[Psychosplodge]

but im not sure if they could do the models justice without them either ending up looking like jawas,

No that's what I want. Scary armed jawas!

[Mr Mystery]

Wait - The Emperor built a webway portal? I thought it was just one that happened to be on Terra, Stargate style?

Anyways....

I also want Dark Mechanicus. I'm desperate to see the acceptable level of sheer body horror in the Mechanicum ramped up to to Full Flavour UKIP Insanity Strength body horror.

I mean, when its considered right and proper to delimb someone, lobotomise them and permanently weld them to a track unit with some guns which sooner or later are going to do the wielder a mischief.....what does prescribed actually look like?

[Psychosplodge]

Tentacles.

[Mr Mystery]

I think you're underestimating just how horrific it could get.

I mean, these are guys with a lot of know how, Daemons to stuff in wherever they think they can get away with it, and seemingly absolutely no oversight whatsoever

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah, tentacles :p

[Mr Mystery]

And they've never seen Hentai.

They've seen proper Daemons :p

[Psychosplodge]

You said they waded through 38,000 year old recovered data disks in search of tech data.
They've seen hentai...

[Mr Mystery]

I said nothing of the sort!

Besides, they'd just wonder why the Daemons aren't especially scary, and consider it perhaps something that was put on in the Cultist Creche to keep the tiddlers quiet whilst Mum and Dad went out Culting.

[Psychosplodge]

My mistake it was CG. I stand by his reasoning.

lols there is that. aww look the slaaneshi deamon wants to be friends

[Mr Mystery]

My Massive Daemon - Worship is Painful?

[Psychosplodge]

http://i.imgur.com/aleGjTr.gif

[Mr Mystery]

Oh it's out there now....

[Charistoph]

Wait - The Emperor built a webway portal? I thought it was just one that happened to be on Terra, Stargate style?

It well could have been. It also could have just been busted and the Emperor repaired and claimed it was built brand new. He had the information from the Void Dragon on how to do it and he often claimed the accomplishments of others to improve his image.

[Mr Mystery]

Just 'The Dragon' ta.

Void Dragon is something different :p

Which book do I need to read to catch up with it being a home made portal?

[Lurker]

Lexicanum has an interesting article on it. Here are the highlights pertaining to the big E's portal.

"During the Great Crusade, the Emperor created the Golden Throne on Terra as a means of entry into the Webway in order to remove the Imperium's reliance on Warp travel and astrotelepathy. This plan involved the construction of a new short section into the Webway and linking it into the abandoned Eldar network.[8] After the psychic disturbance caused by the ill-fated attempt of Magnus the Red to warn the Emperor of Horus's betrayal prior to the Horus Heresy, the human-built sections of the Webway were invaded by Warp entities. Since that time, a psyker has needed to remain on the Golden Throne and hold the portal between the Webway and realspace. The Emperor fulfills this role.[Needs Citation]"

Well. If that last bit is true, then that means the Emp is battling it out everyday! Kinda makes everyone else look like a bunch of wuss-bags. Also explains why he isn't getting any better, no rest for the wicked.

"The Emperor of Mankind created a doorway into the Webway and linking it to the greater network. However, because the Golden Throne was not constructed of psychically resistant material, the Emperor had to use his own powers to protect the human-built portions from the dangers of the Warp.[8]"

So the GT isn't exactly scratch-built but instead rebuilt from existing (xenos?) tech I guess. Interesting read altogether.

Dangit BOLS! Why is it every time I come here I learn stuff? sheesh!

[Renegade]

My Massive Daemon - Worship is Painful?

Thought that had already been done? Daemon prince with a giant wang instead of wings?

[Learn2Eel]

Genestealer Cult, but I'm a dirty Tyranid player so of course I would say that!