Age of Sigmar Products 8-29-2015

[Bigred]

Another week of Age of Sigmar

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White Dwarf 83
Cover text:
"The Hammer of Sigmar
Wielding Ghal Maraz itself, the Celestant-Prime strikes like a comet!"

Celestant Prime
"With Angelic Wings he wields Ghal Maraz and floats above the large round base on a spiral of astral air. His wings are in a starburst pattern. Very nice and highly detailed model. from the other pictures it seems that his height matches that of the new Bloodthirster. The Celestant-Prime isn't Sigmar, He's the first Stormcast Eternal created and he's a special character (rules say you can only include 1)."

Citadel Airbrush Colors
51 new airbrush colors

Teaser
"Death from the skies, A new Tome of Battle, Raise Shields."



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"YESSS!!!! The rules. The model is as big as Nagash, and standing on a celestrial fulgrim that looks more like the top of a Numinous Occulum. He is wielding the Ghal Maraz in his right hand, with wings fashioned after the prosecutor models, but bigger. One picture shows him towering over the Glottkin model."

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Celestant Prime

Move: 12"

Wounds: 8

Save: 3+

Bravery: 10

Celestant Prime can Fly


Missile Weapons
The Cometstrike Sceptre: Ghal Maraz: Range 24″ (see below rules)
Melee Weapons
Ghal Maraz: Range 2″ Attacks 2 Hit 3+ Wound 2+ Rend -3 Damage 3

Special Rules

The Commetstrike Sceptre - Calls down a comet from the heavens. During the shooting phase pick a point on the board within 24″ and roll a die. Any unit within the die’s range of the designated point takes d3 mortal wounds.

Retribution From On High - The Celestant Prime does not start the battle on the table. Instead he is in the Celestial Realm drawing additional power into Ghal Maraz. Each round decide whether or not he will enter the battlefield during the movement phase. For each round he stays in the Celestial Realm, he gains 2 additional attacks with Ghal Maraz (added to the weapon's stats).

When he comes on, place the model outside of 9″ from enemy models anywhere on the board. That is his move for the turn. Enemy models within 12″ lose 2 bravery until the next hero phase.

Orrery of Celestial Fates - Mystical energies that swirl around his feet, grant him insights and aid in battle. Once per turn, you may change one die roll of your choice for the Celestant Prime before modifiers.

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Hallelujah! Sigmar's Celestant Prime is Spotted!


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Celestant-Prime $80
Citadel Air (per Pot) $4.50

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New Releases this week:
Prosecutors box, three models- 46 €

Knight Azyros (clampack)- 33 €

Knight Venator (clampack) - 33 €

Stormcast Eternals Upgrade Sprues- 9 €

Battletome Stormcast Eternals (New Rules) - 46 €

[blueshift]

Citadel Airbrush Colors
51 new airbrush colors

looks like vallejo has met their match! /s

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Cool and unexpected, maybe they will switch between the two forces for a while until they both get full ranges...

death from the skies sounnds like a full kit for Prosecutors, so i guess this named character is like a herald to lead them.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm intrigued.

Been sort-of tempted to get some Eternals....perhaps this will see me commit?

[Erik Setzer]

Eh... not really that interested (I just find the Stormcast aesthetic to be boring, too over-the-top IMO, though that *is* just my opinion), and even less so since the guy is supposedly using Ghal Maraz and not Sigmar. If Sigmar had to work so hard to get back the hammer he, a god, lost to trickery when he was afraid to face Archaon toe-to-toe, why would he hand it off to someone who is a good bit less powerful than he is? Why would he ever let it out of his sight again?

The teasers sound like they're finally getting the winged guys into a box of their own.

Another Battle Tome, though... I'm sorry, but at this point, it's getting silly. Within two months of release they'll have a pair of $74 books, a $33 book, and likely another book at $33 (or more)? I know they aren't "needed" (unless you want to have interesting scenarios and all), but geez, that's rushing them out faster than End Times, and that series already pushed wallets hard. I think they might find a lot of copies stuck on the shelf because people can't afford them right now, and then later when people can the hype will be gone and the opportunity to make sales lost. Also, they either have a LOT of books in the pipeline (which seems kind of odd... I know there's probably two more Realmgate Wars books left, but having a ton of books for AoS seems contrary to how it was being marketed), or they're shooting out too much of their load early, which could leave AoS getting a bad lull period. Would have been better to space stuff out.

Have to wonder what another tome would even be for, though?

[Bigred]

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"YESSS!!!! The rules. The model is as big as Nagash, and standing on a celestrial fulgrim that looks more like the top of a Numinous Occulum. He is wielding the Ghal Maraz in his right hand, with wings fashioned after the prosecutor models, but bigger. One picture shows him towering over the Glottkin model."

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So a quick summary:

Celestant Prime

Move: 12"

Wounds: 8

Save: 3+

Bravery: 10

Celestant Prime can Fly


Missile Weapons
The Cometstrike Sceptre: Ghal Maraz: Range 24″ (see below rules)
Melee Weapons
Ghal Maraz: Range 2″ Attacks 2 Hit 3+ Wound 2+ Rend -3 Damage 3

Special Rules

The Commetstrike Sceptre - Calls down a comet from the heavens. During the shooting phase pick a point on the board within 24″ and roll a die. Any unit within the die’s range of the designated point takes d3 mortal wounds.

Retribution From On High - The Celestant Prime does not start the battle on the table. Instead he is in the Celestial Realm drawing additional power into Ghal Maraz. Each round decide whether or not he will enter the battlefield during the movement phase. For each round he stays in the Celestial Realm, he gains 2 additional attacks with Ghal Maraz (added to the weapon's stats).

When he comes on, place the model outside of 9″ from enemy models anywhere on the board. That is his move for the turn. Enemy models within 12″ lose 2 bravery until the next hero phase.

Orrery of Celestial Fates - Mystical energies that swirl around his feet, grant him insights and aid in battle. Once per turn, you may change one die roll of your choice for the Celestant Prime before modifiers.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I am SO READY FOR THIS.

[Bigred]

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Hallelujah! Sigmar's Celestant Prime is Spotted!


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[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Very crazy and over the top, I love it. I especially like how his cloak turns into that weird swirly thing - very appealing to me.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

*throws money at screen*

[Mr Mystery]

It is nice.

I'd love to see it fielded alongside 20 Prosectuors, for a proper Angellic Host theme.

[Kirsten]

so only in fact half the size it was rumoured to be :P

still nice though

[Mr Mystery]

I want to know his background now. Who was he?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

My money is on Valten or Karl Franz.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

It is nice.

I'd love to see it fielded alongside 20 Prosectuors, for a proper Angellic Host theme.

This is what I want to see too! It does feel like he is meant to be a leader for specifically the Proesecutors too..

[Erik Setzer]

[donning fire protection clothing]

I don't like it.

Oh, stop now, you bugger trolls who want to rush to say, "Well, you don't like it because it's GW/AoS!" I like most of the Khorne models, I like the AdMech, I like plenty of stuff.

The Sigmarines didn't really appeal to me as it was, because they're a trope done to an over-the-top level, and, well, I really expect better if you're going to claim to be the best maker of toy soldiers on the planet. Taking that trope and expanding on it was bad enough, but there's other parts of this model that just sit poorly with me.

The whole "floating" thing is bad. He should be in the air, sure, since he's a flying... something (extreme holy warrior champion?). But the swirly mess of Whatever leading up into the cloth that seems to exist just to attach to the Swirly Whatever looks, well, daft. And I'm pretty sure the fluff doesn't say he rises from a fog in the ground, so it doesn't even match the fluff. Then you add in the overly chunky looking lion head breastplate (looks a bit too hastily done in their CAD program). The pose looks like he's reeling backward, which doesn't bode well for Ghal Maraz (it's okay, it's obvious it'll be stolen again anyway, unless we're still pretending Chaos is so incompetent it's sad). He's also sweeping his arms out in some gesture that I guess is supposed to be "grand" but just seems like a pointless attempt to make the model look bigger. And why is he carrying a wand of Swirly Whatever? Why is all the Swirly Whatever purple, instead of light blue to suggest the lightning theme of the army?

It could have been leagues better. Let a person sculpt it by hand (yeah, it'd cost a little most... but since it'll probably be ridiculously priced, they can afford that), get rid of all the pointless cloth everywhere, replace the Swirly Whatever with a rocky outcropping (gotta have something to add height, right?), have him in a leaping pose coming off of the rocky outcropping with GM held high to bring smash down on someone's head, wings slightly curved to suggest he's about to use them to leverage his attack... Something like that would have looked awesome and I might have been tempted to buy it even if I didn't play Sigmarines.

This guy? Nope. Even if I played the faction, I wouldn't play him. (Also because I know he'd die every game and, being someone who cares about the fluff, it'd bug me to have Sigmar go to all that trouble to get GM back only to turn it right back over to Chaos. It's still bad enough he gave up so much power again and, after losing it because he felt he was too weak to take on Archaon, he handed his weapon over to someone who's not even able to take on a Greater Daemon toe-to-toe.)

All just my opinion, though. (Which I'm sure is "wrong" somehow.)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

nah dude, your opinions just as equally valid as anyone elses - I love the model but your views are no more or less legit than my own :)

i do see what you mean about CAD sculpting though, it can make things a little artificial looking at times I notice. I'll probably stick to trad sculpting myself even though everyone seems to prefer the CAD route these days :/

[40kGamer]

It's ok but I'm not bowled over by this one. I can see it making a nice 40k Sanguinor with some minimal conversion work.

[Al Shut]

I miss transparent flying bases. Never been a fan of flying models being attached to the ground by stuff.

[Erik Setzer]

i do see what you mean about CAD sculpting though, it can make things a little artificial looking at times I notice. I'll probably stick to trad sculpting myself even though everyone seems to prefer the CAD route these days :/

It might also be the way they painted it. The Bloodthirster isn't that bad in person, but they painted it with extreme edge highlights and all, even where there was more of a curve than an edge, and it made the model look horribly blocky and just bad. When I saw the local manager painting one with a more natural scheme, it looked better. Maybe their painting style photographs better or something, but it just doesn't look right sometimes.

[Bigred]

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Celestant-Prime $80
Citadel Air (per Pot) $4.50

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

It might also be the way they painted it. The Bloodthirster isn't that bad in person, but they painted it with extreme edge highlights and all, even where there was more of a curve than an edge, and it made the model look horribly blocky and just bad. When I saw the local manager painting one with a more natural scheme, it looked better. Maybe their painting style photographs better or something, but it just doesn't look right sometimes.

I rarely ever like GW paintschemes. I often find them too harsh (those extreme edge highlights you mention especially) and bright these days and I understand why they do that, to show off all of the details clearly but it doesn't tend to look very good IMO. Theres many times I've thought I disliked a model but then seen it painted by other people and changed my mind entirely about it...

[Cutter]

CP more expensive than a Land Raider.

Yikes.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

£48, cheaper than I was expecting. :p

[Harbinger Rising]

Wow, I can't figure out which was more disappointing- the premiere for 'Fear The Walking Dead', or this Celestant Prime dude.

The rumours had me believing that the Celestant would be BIG, like at least Nagash sized. Clearly that was over-exaggeration, but hey, here's one who fell for those Bretonnian Grail reliquae/ Starter set rumors last summer.

Hoping that the Aelfs/ Duardin/ Steam-punk Skaven have more variety to them. What gets me most about the Sigmarines is that poor GW staffers are forced to push them on you as the 'awesome-iest minis that ever did awesome'. You can actually feel them loathing every word of it.

[40kGamer]

CP more expensive than a Land Raider.

Yikes.

Ouch! When I saw the price tag on the Dreadhold fortress I spewed the screen. :p

[Cutter]

Ouch! When I saw the price tag on the Dreadhold fortress I spewed the screen. :p

At least the Fortress of Outrageous Cost is modular.

If you don't have the £700 on hand,

(take that roll of 50s out of the en suite, will you Jeeves, buying some terrain this week)

you could budget it out over the course of the rest of your medication.

[Mr Mystery]

Is anyone else thinking 'Citadel Brand Airbrush in 3....2......1......'?

[Kirsten]

well there was the hand flamer one

[Mr Mystery]

Not really an airbrush though - that's for base coating.

[40kGamer]

At least the Fortress of Outrageous Cost is modular.

If you don't have the £700 on hand,

(take that roll of 50s out of the en suite, will you Jeeves, buying some terrain this week)

you could budget it out over the course of the rest of your medication.

True! :p I think I'd have to go with a full Zone Mortalis table first.

[Erik Setzer]

Is anyone else thinking 'Citadel Brand Airbrush in 3....2......1......'?

Honestly, if they do that, it'll be a sign that they're really stupid enough to think the GW/Citadel brand is enough to sell overpriced stuff that isn't as good as competitors. Given their pricing schemes, the airbrush would cost more than other models, and I can't see GW producing one better than the market is already flooded with, so they'd have to rely on the guys who, by then, would be literal "fanboys" who buy something just because it says "Citadel."

I'd say I can't see them doing something so monumentally stupid, but... I really can see them doing it, and then wondering why they're sitting on a warehouse full of airbrushes.

[Al Shut]

Honestly, if they do that, it'll be a sign that they're really stupid enough to think the GW/Citadel brand is enough to sell overpriced stuff that isn't as good as competitors.

They should have an idea to what extend that is possible, they already do it with lots of other stuff.

[40kGamer]

They should have an idea to what extend that is possible, they already do it with lots of other stuff.

I fell prey to a few of their early tool releases as I hadn't researched what was available and just picked them up while I was hanging out at the LGS. Good learning experience as there are far better and more varied tools available throughout the market... and almost universally these are less expensive which stretches those valuable gaming dollars. :p

[Erik Setzer]

They should have an idea to what extend that is possible, they already do it with lots of other stuff.

They only have a few other tools, and I think the new line hurt them there, because they decided to go insane on the prices while making questionable moves like changing the style of blade in the knife away from the easy to get #11 blade. Those new tools also aren't terribly comfortable to use. The clippers seem like they do a nice job, but they feel awkward to hold and I wouldn't want to do serious modeling with them. Ditto for the knife.

I really don't understand what happened with that new line, either. I have one of the prior knives, and the handle fits my hand perfectly and feels great to work with. Similarly, standard grips on clippers are a lot nicer to handle. It's like someone at GW opted to design the tools with form over function, to say, "Look at these, don't they LOOK like they're premium products?"

Given the lack of them moving off shelves even at the best of times in the local store, and lack of them in any FLGS, I can't imagine they're doing that well overall. I'm sure the diehard GW fans will love them because they're GW, but I think for most people, they're overpriced and uncomfortable.

If they judge by the success of those items, I don't see them doing an airbrush. Unless they're making random business decisions again just because random decisions are fun. (Yeah, businesses should make decisions to make money... that's why I say GW's are random, because too often they aren't really designed to make money, as their revenues figures show.)

[Mr Mystery]

I've always found GW's tools up to the task?

And remember folks, it's the sales philisophy of convenience. Yes you can get cheaper elsewhere, if you know where to look. But, getting better value is trickier. Some stuff is cheap for a reason, some stuff is expensive because labels. Some stuff is of excellent quality at a decent price.

Buying stuff in a GW Store, you can be reasonably sure it'll be up to the task, a boon for newcomers or (like myself with airbrushes) the utterly oblivious.

[40kGamer]

Buying stuff in a GW Store, you can be reasonably sure it'll be up to the task, a boon for newcomers or (like myself with airbrushes) the utterly oblivious.

Convenience is definitely a thing, especially if all you have is a GW shop handy. As a whole their tools are fine, although I don't like their brushes at all and the hand flamer spray gun was a bad joke. Gale Force Nine offers a lot of tools that are also good quality and less expensive, they are also convenient as they are on the shelf of most game stores here in the states. Larger cities also have hobby stores with airbrushes, tanks and a large selection of tools as well. And once you know what you like Amazon is a good place to order in a lot of those harder to find tools for decent prices.

I can't imagine them wanting to go toe to toe with a brand like Badger airbrushes... although maybe if they offer an version that simply introduces people to airbrushing it could find a spot.

[Erik Setzer]

I've always found GW's tools up to the task?

And remember folks, it's the sales philisophy of convenience. Yes you can get cheaper elsewhere, if you know where to look. But, getting better value is trickier. Some stuff is cheap for a reason, some stuff is expensive because labels. Some stuff is of excellent quality at a decent price.

Buying stuff in a GW Store, you can be reasonably sure it'll be up to the task, a boon for newcomers or (like myself with airbrushes) the utterly oblivious.

I'm not saying they're not "up to the task," I'm saying the new line is incredibly uncomfortable to use, and switching from the much easier to obtain #11 blades is just silly.

To spare you the lecture you deserve on this... You're being insulting *and* showing off utter obliviousness by claiming GW's stuff is better because it's more expensive. Sure, the brand name is why they think they can charge more. But I have a GW knife even that's half the price of the new one, and I bought it new not too long ago. It works better, it has the Citadel label, but it cost a lot less.

No, GW's new stuff costs more because they think they can overprice everything and it'll work out in the end. With people like you, that works. With people who know what they're doing, it doesn't. It's funny when you realize that serious modelers, the people they claim their "premium" products are aimed at, would be the first to realize they can get better tools for much cheaper. Luckily for them, serious modelers look for serious models to assemble rather than toy soldiers, so they go to hobby stores, not GW stores.

[Filthy Casual]

He didn't say it was better because it was more expensive. He said because you can easily get your hands on it in the same place you go to buy your models its more expensive and because when a parent comes in with their child they need clippers and glue so you charge them a premium for getting them there and then.

Its pretty simple business, if I got for a coffee in a coffee place and want a sandwich, I pay more than I would for an equally good, if not better one at the sandwich shop down the road, but I pay for the convenience of getting both things I want in one place.

New comers are the target market, the "veterans" might buy their clippers and glue else where but they're not who those tools are aimed at, because they're in a minority and will know where to get other options. I need shoe polish when I buy a new pair of shoes, the shoe shop will sell me it, I could get it cheaper online but I am there and I know I'll need it so I pay extra to save me having to go elsewhere.

If you're a savy consumer and your own time isn't as valuable, then you can shop elsewhere and save money and not pay the convenience premium, but to do that you need to know what you're doing, new people don't.

And anyway, good clippers are about the same price as GW ones at least, the cheap £5 ones you can get just don't do the job as well as a proper set, I like my new GW ones better than anything else I have (I've probably got 5 or 6 different sets of clippers, GW were not the most expensive of them)

The knife I can't use, I'm not a fan of it but its much safer for kids if used properly and the size is better for them too. Again, newcomers and kids are the target for these products, not grown men who should know better.

[Erik Setzer]

Looks like you can get some variety in the arm posing. That's nice.

Can't help but think of them as serious Berzerker conversion material, looking at those sprues. Probably would be ridiculously easy. At least as Berzerker champions.

[Bigred]

Celestant Prime Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTk7PCP6EfU

[Mr Mystery]

I've got £20 on it being Karl Franz!

Well, The Stormcast previously known as Karl Franz

[Kirsten]

twenty chocolate coins it is king arthur :p