Realmgate was limited and now sold out

[thecolonel]

Just spoke with GW rep and Realmgate and archway is limited. Realmgate gone forever. How does this help them get new players in the future when plastic models become limited - Does not make sense they are playing around like this

[Kirsten]

well let's see what happens. they are not listed as limited anywhere. maybe they are going direct only for example, or he is mistaken. they are still only pre-orders so far

[Ben_S]

The UK website doesn't say either that it's limited or that it's sold out - it's still pre-orders for now.

[Mr Mystery]

Still available on the UK site, and no mention at all of it being a limited release?

[thecolonel]

I actually own a retail store and was told they are now limited - tried to order and was told they are sold out and will no longer be made. This is frustrating because what about getting players into this game down the road. They want new players and making limited items is a really bad idea. IOt is plastic for crying out load - Make more - YOU HAVE THE MOLDS and PEOPLE WANT IT

[daboarder]

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Classic GW :D

[Cutter]

This all seems a bit unlikely, lets see what transpires.

[Mr Mystery]

I've emailed GW, and await their response.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Yeah, I can understand the Void Shield Generator and the Plasma Obliterator being limited - they were test runs with a new manufacturer, and thus GW didn't do the usual setup for a permanent mould.

A plastic kit they manufacture themselves, though? The moulds should be good for years at least, there's no logical reason to just stop making something that's selling...

[Erik Setzer]

This all seems a bit unlikely

Unlikely? You mean like taking a game that's run for 30 years, helped build your company and reshape the market, that you named stores after, and chucking out the game, its background, and everything about it entirely, replacing it with something completely different? Because people didn't believe they'd do that up to the moment the rules were officially released online (and even then, people still kept saying that they can't be complete, and there was surely more coming).

"Unlikely" is changing its definition every day, it seems.

[Mr Mystery]

unlikely? You mean like taking a game that's no longer selling, despite that it has run for 30 years, helped build your company and reshape the market, that you named stores after, and chucking out the game, its background, and everything about it entirely, replacing it with something completely different? Because people didn't believe they'd do that up to the moment the rules were officially released online (and even then, people still kept saying that they can't be complete, and there was surely more coming).

It's a new world. Here's the change people said was "needed."

ftfy.

[Filthy Casual]

The Realm Gates aren't made in-house, they aren't using long lasting moulds like the models are, same as all their terrain kits they're aluminium and will degrade a lot quicker (but are much cheaper to mill.)

Its sensible that they order a limited run so they're not bogged down with extra stock, it's better to sell out a small run than have to keep around 100s of unsold units. This is a new game, they're confident it'll sell but doesn't mean they have to take too many risks.

Classic GW indeed, good job Age of Sigmar is doomed to fail so there will be plenty of stock left of everything.

[Kirsten]

rather a baseless and sweeping statement

[Filthy Casual]

rather a baseless and sweeping statement

Which?

[Erik Setzer]

ftfy.

No, you rewrote - not "fixed" - it to be inaccurate.

And they replaced it with a game that's not selling, despite being on the market. The only time Warhammer was "no longer selling" was when it went off the market to be replaced by a game with more expensive models, cheap board game rules, expensive "premium" side pieces, and limited terrain.

Hey, look at that... STILL AVAILABLE:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Book-LTDEd

Yeah, if Warhammer was doing so poorly, maybe they should have tried fixing it, a simple act of admitting what they did wrong and reversing that, rather than release a new game that can't even sell 2000 copies of what's effectively a piece of gaming history.

But you also will defend them making bad decisions to wreck Warhammer. You'll defend GW's decision to remove Skirmish, you'll defend them coming out with things like $60 Witch Elves, or monopose characters at $30+, or $85 rulebooks and $50 army books. The whole time people said what was wrong, you defended it. You stick up for Games Workshop, and now that they ran Warhammer into the ground, you're still acting like anyone saying anything negative is wrong and Games Workshop can do no wrong, even though it was their own policies that wrecked Warhammer and will keep AoS from earning them much money. But yeah, go on and cheerlead the death of games. You're not pro-Warhammer or pro-AoS, you're just so pro-GW that if they announced tomorrow they're getting rid of 40K and focusing on licensing the IP to any app game maker who wants to make a game with it, you'd say that's brilliant and claim 40K was stale and wasn't selling.

And seriously, what are you, 12? That whole "ftfy" thing is lame, pathetic, insulting, and shows a lack of ability to articulate a proper argument. I know, you have no way to defend your position with facts, but for Pete's sake, try being an adult about it at least.

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The Realm Gates aren't made in-house, they aren't using long lasting moulds like the models are, same as all their terrain kits they're aluminium and will degrade a lot quicker (but are much cheaper to mill.)

I keep hearing people say stuff like this, but where's the evidence to back this? Do the models have a "Made in China" stamp on them or something? Something on the box? Anything to indicate they were produced elsewhere?

Actually, same question for the Plasma Obliterator... How did that information come out? Or was it speculation?

[Filthy Casual]

no, you rewrote - not "fixed" - it to be entirely accurate.

And they replaced it with a game where what people thought was a book of rules isn't selling, despite them giving those rules away free online. The only time warhammer was "no longer selling" was when it went off the market and the 10 years before that, to be replaced by a game with more appealing models to their target demographic, simple to learn game rules, expensive and utterly unnecessary "premium" side pieces, and limited terrain that looks really cool.

Hey, look at that... Still available:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-us/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-book-ltded

yeah, if warhammer was doing so poorly, maybe they should have tried fixing it, a simple act of admitting what they did wrong and reversing that, rather than release a new game that can't even sell 2000 copies of what's effectively a piece of gaming history, in my opinion, when actually its just a fancier version of a book.

But you also will defend them making bad decisions to remove a product that wasn't selling. You'll defend gw's decision to remove skirmish, you'll defend them coming out with things like $60 witch elves which isn't so bad now you can use one box and have it be an effective unit, or really popular and impressive monopose characters at $30+ which sell really well, or $85 rulebooks and $50 army books which they removed for AoS and yet i'm still bringing it up. The whole time people said what was wrong, you defended it and now you're being proven right. You stick up for games workshop, when they restructured their game to make it easier to sell, you're still acting like anyone saying anything negative is whining because they're big babies and games workshop are just a business trying to sell people some model soldiers. But yeah, go on and cheerlead the death of games. You're not pro-warhammer or pro-aos, you're just so pro-gw that i can just make up an utterly absurd hypothetical scenario.

And seriously, what are you, 12? That whole "ftfy" thing is lame, pathetic, insulting, and shows a lack of ability to articulate a proper argument. I know, you have no way to defend your position with facts, but for pete's sake, try being an adult about it at least.

ftfy

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I keep hearing people say stuff like this, but where's the evidence to back this? Do the models have a "Made in China" stamp on them or something? Something on the box? Anything to indicate they were produced elsewhere?

Actually, same question for the Plasma Obliterator... How did that information come out? Or was it speculation?

Yes, on the box. For both.

[YorkNecromancer]

Seems like a sensible move to me. Terrain is never a huge seller - which makes sense, given that it's normally a huge, so therefore pricey, kit. Most people would rather spend that money on new units for their armies, let others worry about the terrain. Seriously, do people even bring their own terrain to tournaments? Given that one of the Tyranid warlord traits is to make a section of jungle terrain dangerous, it only seems sensible that people bring their own, non-fortification terrain, but I doubt they do. And even if they did, some fool would berate them for it.

So yeah, terrain kits are big, don't have the same appeal as a new unit, so therefore are logically going to sell in much smaller quantities, especially if they're not bought as army upgrades, like Foritifications.

Thus, making them Limited Edition solves the problem. All 'Limited Edition' means is 'We ain't making many of these', which they weren't going to do anyway. I can't imagine they sell more Cities of Death kits than Tactical Squad kits. The LE label is just a simple way to get more sales, which is ultimately what businesses do. If that creates a thriving aftermarket, well, who cares - it's only terrain. It wasn't going to sell in huge numbers anyway.

[Mr Mystery]

Warhammer wasn't selling. Not sure why you say that's inaccurate. I added it to your statement because you missed an important bit of information as to why the game was rejigged so.

Their decisions are their decisions. Agree with them or disagree with them, I'm one to vote with my wallet (£183.00 worth of votes in favour cast last night). I don't know how to run a business - this is why I'm an Adjudicator, Grade Three with an Inquisitorial Mandate and a bright future of financial complaint mediation ahead of me and not a shop keeper or captain of industry.

If it's not your bag, it's not your bag. Lost count of how many times I've mentioned that, and I'm not criticising your lack of enjoyment.

Instead, I'm criticising your position that few people enjoy it and the game is doomed and background is rubbish (even though it's only just started out and we're to expect an ongoing narrative) and GW don't know what they're doing at all - all linked to what happens in your local store.

Others offer their own anecdotal evidence - and you freak out because it's anecdotal, and thus shouldn't be considered evidence.

And there's not much actual hard evidence out there beyond 'well, in my area' which we have to take at face value as being truthful. But after a quick poke around, I found some food for thought.

AoS - Amazon's current top selling wargame product - clearly not selling. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/toys-and-games/295325011/ref=zg_b_hnr_295325011_1)

Terrain for use in AoS - sold out in the US - clearly not selling. Not at all. (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Baleful-Realmgates)

Limited Edition of a book not actually required to play the game, with a £25 cheaper standard version also on sale, and the necessary rules 100% free not yet sold out - clearly not selling at all.

Which rather suggests your assertion is not entirely accurate. The two links above generally support what I'm currently seeing at my local GW - increased sale of existing Warhammer stock, and people enjoying AoS as a game.

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Seems like a sensible move to me. Terrain is never a huge seller - which makes sense, given that it's normally a huge, so therefore pricey, kit. Most people would rather spend that money on new units for their armies, let others worry about the terrain. Seriously, do people even bring their own terrain to tournaments? Given that one of the Tyranid warlord traits is to make a section of jungle terrain dangerous, it only seems sensible that people bring their own, non-fortification terrain, but I doubt they do. And even if they did, some fool would berate them for it.

So yeah, terrain kits are big, don't have the same appeal as a new unit, so therefore are logically going to sell in much smaller quantities, especially if they're not bought as army upgrades, like Foritifications.

Thus, making them Limited Edition solves the problem. All 'Limited Edition' means is 'We ain't making many of these', which they weren't going to do anyway. I can't imagine they sell more Cities of Death kits than Tactical Squad kits. The LE label is just a simple way to get more sales, which is ultimately what businesses do. If that creates a thriving aftermarket, well, who cares - it's only terrain. It wasn't going to sell in huge numbers anyway.

Yet, if accurate (only one source so far, and my response from GW remains pending) it's the first time I can think of when they've not explicitly stated an items limited release nature - because such things normally help clear the stock out.

Given the AoS Ltd Ed book says it's Ltd Ed, that just doesn't sit right with me.

But hey, GW's response should help clear things up.

[Cutter]

baseless and sweeping

A bit like the rules :-)

[chipset35]

Low Demand.....
Only reason to not produce and sell what used to be a money making product line.

[daboarder]

I've emailed GW, and await their response.

can I put money on a flowery, "We know nothing" response?

[Erik Setzer]

Okay, Mystery, pal, let's sort ya out here.

You're going to Amazon, a place not known for mini product sales, and using it to try to prove your point? Really? Did you not spot the lack of variety there? Did you also miss that AoS is $90 there, or 33% off of its retail price, meaning that it's likely that sales of it that would have gone through other venues are going through there? For people wanting to give it a try, $90 seems reasonable, especially when the Sigmarines in there would, separately, cost around $200-$220, at least (which says less about the value of the box and more about GW's ridiculous pricing. Games Workshop can't really go after Amazon and try to shut them down, much like they can't do so with eBay. So people wanting a steep discount will drive the sales up, over Amazon's small spattering of Warmachine boxes, or Reaper Bones figures that are ridiculously cheap and easy to get in your local store without needing a hefty discount to make it worthwhile.

Yeah, you really showed how popular that game was, especially at the retail price!

Warhammer would have sold fine if they hadn't removed Skirmish, kept upping the price on rulebooks and models, and pushed larger games. You constantly defend all of those ideas. Of course, in your mind, a setting with more variety, more interesting stories, all that stuff, is more to blame, and a setting with no story to it is definitely going to sell better. Right.

As for the terrain, it was wrong for them to make something that was limited and not be up front about it. That's a deceptive practice. I don't care if they're limited. It's terrain, whatever. Back before lazy people took over the hobby and bowed at the altar of GW and allowed GW to demand you only use GW terrain, people made their own terrain. I have oodles of stuff at home to make forests, hills, other goodness. One of the most popular sites in the later '90s and early '00s was Terragenesis, which had tutorials on how to make your own stuff. My preference would actually be no terrain sales from GW, or at least no special rules saying you must use "Citadel woods," and watch people get creative again. But whatever, you want your prebuilt terrain, fine. That's your choice, you're free to it. But for the sake of the people wanting it, it'd be better if GW was open and honest about the availability, so that people could make sure they had a chance to get the product(s) they want. I can understand not wanting to make too many of them, in case sales aren't good, or just to hedge their bets. But if it's limited, you let the customers know, you don't let them think it'll be available for months or years if it's not going to be available more than a week or so.

[chipset35]

I purchased my AoS New, Sealed, mint in box for $92 from Amazon with free Shipping.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Erik, how much coffee do you drink during the average day? Seriously? Everything that should take two sentences for you to say takes a wall of text that meanders around until it kinda forgets its point then starts contradicting itself.

I don't think you understand that we don't have access to GW's figures. You also keep seeming to shout, "ANECDOTE, ANECDOTE!" You're basing your entire point on how AoS isn't doing well at your local and people are complaining about it on the internet. Newsflash! Your opinion on how AoS is doing is no more valid than Mystery's, who at least tries to find a reliable source that checks its numbers and shows them. He's showing verifiable data of the only kind we can really get, and you're just putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring it...why?

If AoS fails, it'll probably just be the death of Fantasy in its entirety. Why have you got such a hard-on for proving that AoS is a failure?

[Filthy Casual]

Okay, Mystery, pal, let's sort ya out here.

You're going to Amazon, a place not known for mini product sales, and using it to try to prove your point? Really? Did you not spot the lack of variety there? Did you also miss that AoS is $90 there, or 33% off of its retail price, meaning that it's likely that sales of it that would have gone through other venues are going through there? For people wanting to give it a try, $90 seems reasonable, especially when the Sigmarines in there would, separately, cost around $200-$220, at least (which says less about the value of the box and more about GW's ridiculous pricing. Games Workshop can't really go after Amazon and try to shut them down, much like they can't do so with eBay. So people wanting a steep discount will drive the sales up, over Amazon's small spattering of Warmachine boxes, or Reaper Bones figures that are ridiculously cheap and easy to get in your local store without needing a hefty discount to make it worthwhile.

Yeah, you really showed how popular that game was, especially at the retail price!


It has sales ranking data and is an easy place to find that information, although its not a massive marketplace for the product, it puts it in to some perspective at least. He wasn't saying anything just using it as an example of one shop selling a product where it was doing well.




Warhammer would have sold fine if they hadn't removed Skirmish, kept upping the price on rulebooks and models, and pushed larger games. You constantly defend all of those ideas. Of course, in your mind, a setting with more variety, more interesting stories, all that stuff, is more to blame, and a setting with no story to it is definitely going to sell better. Right.


This is all just conjecture. You don't know that a seperate Skirmish ruleset would have helped, and the idea that Age of Sigmar has no story is blatantly untrue.



As for the terrain, it was wrong for them to make something that was limited and not be up front about it. That's a deceptive practice. I don't care if they're limited. It's terrain, whatever. Back before lazy people took over the hobby and bowed at the altar of GW and allowed GW to demand you only use GW terrain, people made their own terrain. I have oodles of stuff at home to make forests, hills, other goodness. One of the most popular sites in the later '90s and early '00s was Terragenesis, which had tutorials on how to make your own stuff. My preference would actually be no terrain sales from GW, or at least no special rules saying you must use "Citadel woods," and watch people get creative again. But whatever, you want your prebuilt terrain, fine. That's your choice, you're free to it. But for the sake of the people wanting it, it'd be better if GW was open and honest about the availability, so that people could make sure they had a chance to get the product(s) they want. I can understand not wanting to make too many of them, in case sales aren't good, or just to hedge their bets. But if it's limited, you let the customers know, you don't let them think it'll be available for months or years if it's not going to be available more than a week or so.

No one has ever said you have to use GW terrain only, GW started selling terrain kits because people wanted them, not all of us have the spare time to make interesting terrain as well as painting our models. GW is a company and chose to make a product to fit that need.

Selling out of a product quicker than expected is not deceptive business practise but by all means try reporting them to the Trading Standards Authority or your US equivalent and see what they have to say about it (they'll politely tell you to knob off).

You know what else we used to do before "lazy people took over the hobby"? Balance our armies based on scenarios and the game we wanted to play without relying on the crutch of points values to allow us to have a system to break and feel superior.

[Kirsten]

a bits seller is advertising Age of Sigmar terrain bits, they are definitely proper sprue pieces, not cheap plastic like the dark angels tower for example.

[Filthy Casual]

Having built and painted both sets, I can tell you that its the same plastic as all the latest terrain sets have been.

[Mr Mystery]

Got me response.

OP is seemingly misinformed.


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Myth busted I'd say.

[Filthy Casual]

Classic GW.

[Kirsten]

would you look at that, the sky is not in fact falling...

[Mr Mystery]

Amazing what happens when you make a request for information, and don't believe every rumour which you feel supports your position.

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Okay, Mystery, pal, let's sort ya out here.

You're going to Amazon, a place not known for mini product sales, and using it to try to prove your point? Really? Did you not spot the lack of variety there? Did you also miss that AoS is $90 there, or 33% off of its retail price, meaning that it's likely that sales of it that would have gone through other venues are going through there? For people wanting to give it a try, $90 seems reasonable, especially when the Sigmarines in there would, separately, cost around $200-$220, at least (which says less about the value of the box and more about GW's ridiculous pricing. Games Workshop can't really go after Amazon and try to shut them down, much like they can't do so with eBay. So people wanting a steep discount will drive the sales up, over Amazon's small spattering of Warmachine boxes, or Reaper Bones figures that are ridiculously cheap and easy to get in your local store without needing a hefty discount to make it worthwhile.

Yeah, you really showed how popular that game was, especially at the retail price!

Warhammer would have sold fine if they hadn't removed Skirmish, kept upping the price on rulebooks and models, and pushed larger games. You constantly defend all of those ideas. Of course, in your mind, a setting with more variety, more interesting stories, all that stuff, is more to blame, and a setting with no story to it is definitely going to sell better. Right.

As for the terrain, it was wrong for them to make something that was limited and not be up front about it. That's a deceptive practice. I don't care if they're limited. It's terrain, whatever. Back before lazy people took over the hobby and bowed at the altar of GW and allowed GW to demand you only use GW terrain, people made their own terrain. I have oodles of stuff at home to make forests, hills, other goodness. One of the most popular sites in the later '90s and early '00s was Terragenesis, which had tutorials on how to make your own stuff. My preference would actually be no terrain sales from GW, or at least no special rules saying you must use "Citadel woods," and watch people get creative again. But whatever, you want your prebuilt terrain, fine. That's your choice, you're free to it. But for the sake of the people wanting it, it'd be better if GW was open and honest about the availability, so that people could make sure they had a chance to get the product(s) they want. I can understand not wanting to make too many of them, in case sales aren't good, or just to hedge their bets. But if it's limited, you let the customers know, you don't let them think it'll be available for months or years if it's not going to be available more than a week or so.

Based upon which evidence to compare to my admittedly limited info provided?

[Alaric]

Personally I think they are just trying to save on overhead. They probably have terrain kits left over from the 90s lol

[Erik Setzer]

Erik, how much coffee do you drink during the average day? Seriously? Everything that should take two sentences for you to say takes a wall of text that meanders around until it kinda forgets its point then starts contradicting itself.

Actually, only two cups of coffee. But I went to a college prep school that involved a lot of writing, and then I've also seen on the Internet that people like to misinterpret things that are written shortly (because you do need more than two sentences to really make a point). Of course, then you run the risk of going beyond the short attention span of people. So do you go with something they'll misinterpret, or something that will only hold the interest of people who actually care about the topic of discussion? I err toward the latter.



If AoS fails, it'll probably just be the death of Fantasy in its entirety. Why have you got such a hard-on for proving that AoS is a failure?

Warhammer Fantasy Battles is already dead, so... AoS succeeding or not doesn't really matter. There's also Kings of War, Warmachine/Hordes, and other games popping up, so only Games Workshop's fantasy game of choice would die (again). Since I'm not beholden to only playing GW games, that's not really a problem for me. They already made it so my figures would be moot soon enough.

And I'm just providing a counter-point to the people who are much too eager to claim this game is the Second Coming because Games Workshop made it so of course it's brilliant and perfect. I'm also just a tad bit sick of people bashing on Warhammer, when it was the horrible business practices they defended that hurt Warhammer.

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This is all just conjecture. You don't know that a seperate Skirmish ruleset would have helped, and the idea that Age of Sigmar has no story is blatantly untrue.

It's not conjecture to note that a few changes would have helped. Warhammer grew and thrived. How could it have lasted 30 years if its core gameplay was so fatally flawed? It couldn't. It was the surrounding business practices that sank it.

And yes, compared to something like WFB or 40K (or even Warmachine, Magic, or heck, even Malifaux), AoS has no story. The stuff we have right now is a rushed mess to set up Sigmar being so awesome and high and mighty, but ends up painting a picture of a realm with no stakes and no chance for the bad guys to win. So the story it does have doesn't help sell the game. Heck, the top thing helping it right now is the models, because apparently people really do like the kind of over-stylized stuff that Privateer Press does (hey, I like the Warmachine models too, but the way people bashed them so much, I'm surprised it's working so well for GW to copy that idea... with a touch of old-school Warzone thrown in for good measure).

[CoffeeGrunt]

And I'm just providing a counter-point to the people who are much too eager to claim this game is the Second Coming because Games Workshop made it so of course it's brilliant and perfect. I'm also just a tad bit sick of people bashing on Warhammer, when it was the horrible business practices they defended that hurt Warhammer.

Less the devil's advocate and more telling people they're wrong for enjoying the game, then?

[Erik Setzer]

Myth busted I'd say.

Their website says not only "Sold Out" but that it's unavailable, no hint that it's a temporary issue. It would have been helpful to note that, and that such wording is what's leading to the issue with people, because their own website suggests that you can no longer get the product. Typical retail sites have specific wording on sold out products (and will even take orders that are filled once the product's in stock, though that might require some code they don't have set up yet).

Hey, they actually appreciate when you bring such issues to their attention. I scored a $10 voucher from them for doing that.


Hmm... Actually, they fixed it. That's certainly odd. Earlier it had the distinct "no longer available" comment on it, now they've set it to "Temporarily out of stock." Guess they figured out where the issue was coming from. Looks like their web team was on top of that.

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Amazing what happens when you make a request for information, and don't believe every rumour which you feel supports your position.

Careful, your hypocrisy is showing.



Based upon which evidence to compare to my admittedly limited info provided?

Too early to get solid evidence. The people who report sales figures (such as they might be able to) aren't going to report for a couple months. I could point to a lot of places still having copies on the shelves that aren't moving, the low number of pre-orders at the local store (which usually does awesome on pre-orders), stuff like that, but that's anecdotal. The limited edition piece of gaming history still being available is a troubling indicator, but I suppose someone could point out there's no need to buy any books for AoS because people don't care about the fluff and the rules are free and if the rules are free they won't spend any money even on a collector item.

But eh, mainly I'm just not going to sit by and let someone claim AoS is going to outsell everything other than 40K, when such an idea, especially so far, is pretty laughable.

[CoffeeGrunt]

That's it, Erik. Hold that indefensible ground to the last. The Emperor will bestow you with many gifts for your courage soon, we promise.

[Erik Setzer]

Less the devil's advocate and more telling people they're wrong for enjoying the game, then?

No. I get it, you dislike people disagreeing with your viewpoint, and the people who think anything GW does is perfection will turn on anyone who doesn't agree. Such an attitude is appalling, so yes, there's an edge to my disagreement.

You can enjoy the game, fine. I'd love to enjoy the game myself, but when I try, I find that the only people locally who enjoy it are the kind who look for ways to break games, and that's just not a fun experience, and I can't argue with them because the game gives them permission to be that way. If I could convince my friend to give it a try and we'd just form a different circle of players, I would. Now, we won't help GW's sales, because we have models already, which means we're useless as far as GW and the GW-is-Perfection crowd go. But even though I could enjoy the game, I know there's flaws. And the flaws shouldn't exist. We're told the game was years in production, but it doesn't feel like it. It's not that hard to fix them, but they won't be. Yes, gamers can fix things, but if WB told you to patch your own version of Arkham Knight, would you appreciate that?

Yet if you point out a flaw, or say you don't think the fluff is ERMAHGERD AMAZEBALLS, you're told off by people like MM or the two or three people I've set to Ignore because they're clearly trolls.

I feel like those people deserve a counter. So if people are going to run everywhere saying how GW is perfect and awesome, and how GW's business measures can't be to blame while at the same time pretty much admitting they were, then I'll gladly step up and counter them.

If people want to say, "I like this, this is why," fine. Okay. I haven't touched the thread where people say what they like about AoS. Not going to go in there to debate or anything. It's not a debate topic. It's not someone jumping on someone for not thinking the game is perfect. Funny enough, I noticed some people couldn't stand there being an opposing thread about what they dislike in AoS, and they stormed that thread to say how wrong people were (after saying doing such a things is wrong... sweet, sweet hypocrisy).

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That's it, Erik. Hold that indefensible ground to the last. The Emperor will bestow you with many gifts for your courage soon, we promise.

It's likely to turn out to be true. But eh, c'est la vie. I got options.

Don't care about the Emperor, either. Neither the wannabe Sigmar, or that guy sitting on a golden toilet on Terra. I'm all about ORCS, Orks, and Iron Warriors. I'd rather "bestow" the Emperor with the gift of lasting death.

[CoffeeGrunt]

No. I get it, you dislike people disagreeing with your viewpoint, and the people who think anything GW does is perfection will turn on anyone who doesn't agree. Such an attitude is appalling, so yes, there's an edge to my disagreement.

I don't play Age of Sigmar, and don't really enjoy it either. But y'know, I don't go writing essays explaining why I dislike, because I personally am capable of understanding that no-one would care. Take a note of that.


It's likely to turn out to be true. But eh, c'est la vie. I got options.

And if it doesn't?

[Mr Mystery]

Erik - original rumours was Kit A was limited and sold out and never coming back.

Email showed that to be wrong. did you think you're in a different thread?

[Erik Setzer]

Erik - original rumours was Kit A was limited and sold out and never coming back.

Email showed that to be wrong. did you think you're in a different thread?

The website actually said "Sold Out" and the wording was that it was no longer available. They corrected that this afternoon. That's where the initial rumor came from.

Did you go look at the US website earlier? If not, then the product page mirrored this one:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Witchfate-Tor-Tower-of-Sorcery

Obviously, we know that one's gone for good, but the Realmgate had the same message and the same greyed-out Sold Out image.

[Erik Setzer]

I don't play Age of Sigmar, and don't really enjoy it either. But y'know, I don't go writing essays explaining why I dislike, because I personally am capable of understanding that no-one would care. Take a note of that.

What's there to take note of? That's how you view things and how you act. Okay, cool. I have my own way of doing things. I don't mind whether anyone cares or not, I don't need someone else to care to validate my opinion or my voicing of said opinion. Should you note that?



And if it doesn't?

AoS lovers get to keep a game they enjoy, I still have options, maybe AoS grows into a better game, maybe people who aren't power gamers give it more of a shot locally... What, am I supposed to be upset if I'm wrong? Feel ashamed or something? You live life, you're going to be wrong a lot. There's plenty of other things to be upset about. I'd feel worse if I'm wrong in my belief that there's no way Iran will ever actually try to nuke someone. Next to that, being wrong about the success of AoS is nothing.

Oh yeah, and forgot...


If AoS fails, it'll probably just be the death of Fantasy in its entirety.

Haven't you heard? You can still play AoS. GW isn't going to force you to turn your rules back over.

(Sorry, I had to throw that cheeky line out there after hearing it used to tell people upset about Warhammer's death that it's "not dead" and all that. Cheeky line not so much directed at you as those people.)

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Erik, give it up man. You said some dumb stuff and now you're just compounding it. We get it, you don't like Age of Sigmar. Ranting in massive overlong essays is pissing in the wind. You're not accomplishing anything except making yourself look a bit mentally ill.

I said nothing dumb. I pointed out where the rumor came from, I went with information provided by someone that was as reliable as Mystery's comments were prior to GW correcting their site. You can insult me all you want (which really calls your own mental health into question), but there's nothing wrong with reacting to someone reporting something, then pointing out where the initial confusion behind a story came from, that being a mistake on GW's part.

I know, I get it, you think GW is flawless for some reason, and there's no way they could have mistakenly put the wrong message on their website. But they did. They've corrected it. Good on 'em for doing that. Shame on you for not accepting that they make mistakes.

(Heck, I'm glad they're more willing to admit their flaws than you are. Got me a nice voucher for it once when they thanked me for pointing out an issue with the website so their technical team could correct it.)

[40kGamer]

would you look at that, the sky is not in fact falling...

There's no fun in that... Maybe it already fell?

[daboarder]

would you look at that, the sky is not in fact falling...
That attitude doesnt really work for a game where that ended up actually happening

[Mr Mystery]

The website actually said "Sold Out" and the wording was that it was no longer available. They corrected that this afternoon. That's where the initial rumor came from.

Did you go look at the US website earlier? If not, then the product page mirrored this one:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Witchfate-Tor-Tower-of-Sorcery

Obviously, we know that one's gone for good, but the Realmgate had the same message and the same greyed-out Sold Out image.

Have you read the original Post?

It's the status on the GW site that prompted my email, as they're still available on the UK site, but makes no mention of them being limited.

[Eulermaths]

Started to read the thread mildly interested that the Realmgate may or may not be limited edition. OK so its not. That is the end of the thread surely? I wonder how many more pages can be filled with squabbling? See what I did there? Provided you with another post to quote and argue about some more.

[Erik Setzer]

It's the status on the GW site that prompted my email, as they're still available on the UK site, but makes no mention of them being limited.

Well, we know now it was a screw-up on the US site (though it's odd that the US sold out before the UK, given that we're told the US isn't a good market for GW?). But, again, the message was there, on the US site. They fixed it. Crisis averted.

[The Girl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk0Jeqcv5Q8