View Full Version : MASTER THREAD: Warhammer World New/EXCLUSIVE Models
KnightEagle
05-13-2015, 06:13 AM
This is the MASTER Warhammer World Re-Opening Thread
Place any and off of your pictures, news, and videos in here so we have one central location for it all:
Just seen this on Warhammer Worlds website, the release of the Rhino Primus and Lard Raider Excelsior as models only purchasable at the Warhammer World Store http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/2015/05/13/new-warhammer-world-exclusives/ oh and there is some other stuff on their too. :D
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Land Raider Excelsior
Rhino Primaris
Via Forge World (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Warhammer_World_Grand_Opening.html) 05-15-2015
There are some amazing new products available for the first time at the Warhammer World Grand Opening this weekend.
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Roboute Guilliman
http://i.imgur.com/wWoa1v7.jpg
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Chaos Knight
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Lord of Skulls Conversion Kit
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Warlord Titan via Eye of Horus podcast (https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Eye-of-Horus-podcast/851280114930464) via Facebook
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Said to be £1250 including weapons (early report)
Mr Mystery
05-13-2015, 06:18 AM
Roundup CONTINUED:
Ad Mech Ordinatus
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Via Battlebunnies (http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2015/05/sigismund-first-captain-for-imperial.html)
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And Imma having me a wee trip to Nottingham around July time....
I may be able to take pre-paid orders for those who find Nottingham tricksy to get to due to foolishly living on a different continent.
Kirsten
05-13-2015, 06:19 AM
The Battle of Calth (also via Battle Bunnies)
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yeah put me down for one of each, maybe a hoodie or something too, we shall see
KnightEagle
05-13-2015, 06:22 AM
The Battle of Calth Con't (also via Battle Bunnies)
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I'm just hyped to be going now, got to love living in Nottingham :D
Patrick Boyle
05-13-2015, 08:04 AM
pics via Recalcitrant Daze (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world.html) 5-16-2015
Warlord Titan Details
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via Faeit (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/SQSW0Q7dJcA/space-marine-hq-command-tanks-rules-and.html) 5-17-2015
via a reader on Faeit 212
Space Marine HQ Command Tanks sold in one box together with only one sprue to upgrade both base tanks (think the price is £75). They have either the space marines, blood angels, dark angels or space wolves faction. They are chosen together as one HQ slot but operate as separate units on the battlefield.
Rhino Primaris gets an Orbital Array which either brings in one reserve unit automatically or calls an orbital alpha strike (massive blast orbital bombardment) and also has a serveo-skull hub which once per game, per ability, gives one unit in 12” snapshots (including overwatch) at full BS OR fearless OR vehicles only, restore 1 hull point on 2+. Comes with twin-linked plasma gun and transport capacity of 6. No information on points cost yet for either tank.
Excelsior has Aquila Aegis field which is effectively extra armour with inbuilt 6++. One unit within 12" (can be upgraded to 18" for 10pts) gains one special rule for the turn from: counter-attack, fearless, hit & run, Interceptor, preferred enemy, sky fire, spit fire or tank hunters. Can take a combi plasma. Comes with 2 twin linked lascannons, a grav cannon and grav.
If an Excelsior is within 24” of one or more friendly primaris then +1 BS to excelsior. Both tanks can take the usual stormbolter, hunter killer, extra armour and dozer blade (rhino only) upgrades.
Grabbed the pics of the box:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J5tO3hbzUD8/VVikD0bgjHI/AAAAAAAAz1Y/i0Srwz1ZJcY/s1600/%24_57%2B(1).JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_17uMmcf7A8/VVikDxZFHSI/AAAAAAAAz1U/q-mT2VxGkL0/s1600/%24_57.JPG
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So there's where those Space Marine command tank rumors were coming from...
Is that Land Raider armed with a Grav Cannon+Amplifier?
Brakkart
05-13-2015, 08:07 AM
via Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307722-warhammer-world-exclusive-campaign-blood-oath/) on BolterandChainsword 5-17-2015
Warhammer World Exclusive Campaign Supplement: Blood Oath (Ultramarines, Grey Knights, Imperial Knights, Titans vs Khorne, Chaos Titans, Chaos Knights)
Dataslates/Formations:
Ultramarines 1st company:
The Spear of Sicarius:
Grey Knights Emperors Hand Strike Force:
Anvil of the Emperor - Knights and Titans
The Bloodied Horde (Khorne Daemons)
The Fist of Khorne (Berzerkers)
The Goreguard (Anggrath and Bloodthirsters)
Hellforged Hunting Pack (Daemon Engines)
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Is that Land Raider armed with a Grav Cannon+Amplifier?
Yup, sure is by the looks of it.
Mr Mystery
05-13-2015, 08:31 AM
Rhino has twin-plasma sponson and all....
Houghten
05-13-2015, 08:34 AM
What? No, it doesn't. That's a pintle.
Mr Mystery
05-13-2015, 08:35 AM
Yeah. Pinter is what I meant!
madlib
05-13-2015, 11:10 PM
Meh. The Forgeworld Prometheus and Command Rhino look better imo.
Garradh
05-14-2015, 09:38 AM
Meh. The Forgeworld Prometheus and Command Rhino look better imo.
I like the Excelsior better, but I agree about the command Rhino (Deimos?). This one reminds me of an Exorcist - way too much unnecessary crap piled on the very rear of the tank.
Cpt Codpiece
05-14-2015, 09:45 AM
Am i the only one more excited at plastic commander parts, than more crap to glue on a tank?
Houghten
05-14-2015, 10:38 AM
Probably, yeah. We did already have those two Web Exclusive Captains recently...
Wildeybeast
05-14-2015, 04:01 PM
I'm going to the re-opening this weekend. I suspect my wallet will take a hit on tat I really don't need.
Cpt Codpiece
05-14-2015, 06:39 PM
Probably, yeah. We did already have those two Web Exclusive Captains recently...
Yeah i have those captains (and the terminator one too), but the land raider dude looks like a plastic version of one of the old metal masters and the finecast one with the rod and ghetto blaster released last year (was it last year or year before....), its all good converting material.
Command tanks don't offer that great a bonus (is it a reserves modifier and no DS enemies within x"? ), so they are bling kits..... And people will go nuts for those bits :) especially with FW doing the new consul with the silly samurai head.... People will love those bits for heresy stuff as long as its easy to hide the mk VII wrists :) as he looks to be in mk V or IV chest
madlib
05-14-2015, 07:31 PM
I like the Excelsior better, but I agree about the command Rhino (Deimos?). This one reminds me of an Exorcist - way too much unnecessary crap piled on the very rear of the tank.
Yeah, definitely agree. It's just too much.
MajorWesJanson
05-14-2015, 07:49 PM
Yeah, definitely agree. It's just too much.
Leave the little radar dish off the two tanks and they are fine.
I'd love to have both kits, but I'm not travelling trans-atlantic or paying insane markups on E-Bay for them.
musical-fool
05-15-2015, 09:13 AM
Do we know the prices on these kits?
Defenestratus
05-15-2015, 12:02 PM
Leave the little radar dish off the two tanks and they are fine.
I'd love to have both kits, but I'm not travelling trans-atlantic or paying insane markups on E-Bay for them.
Don't worry. Where GW chooses not to support demand, the black market will fill it in soon enough. I just got an email this morning for Plasma Obliterators for about 60% of what GW was charging for them.
Erik Setzer
05-15-2015, 12:14 PM
Don't worry. Where GW chooses not to support demand, the black market will fill it in soon enough. I just got an email this morning for Plasma Obliterators for about 60% of what GW was charging for them.
If it's legit models, sure. If it's the Chinese copies, I don't trust the quality, even at the price. Wrong piece(s) gets malformed, and you've wasted all that money.
40kGamer
05-15-2015, 12:21 PM
If it's legit models, sure. If it's the Chinese copies, I don't trust the quality, even at the price. Wrong piece(s) gets malformed, and you've wasted all that money.
Casting is all about the quality of the person doing it. I have a few things that I am basically certain are recasts that are far superior in material and casting quality to other pieces I have purchased from Forgeworld.
Bigred
05-15-2015, 11:04 PM
This now the official MASTER thread for all things Warhammer World re-opening. Please put all of your pics, info, and any videos in here.
Tzeentch's Dark Agent
05-16-2015, 01:45 AM
The big Templar himself
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musical-fool
05-16-2015, 02:59 AM
Pinching info from Eye of Horus podcast via Facebook (thanks to them!)
http://https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-0/11246182_893423120716163_7834114991471918582_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoibyJ9&oh=4ec68fdc05dda6a111a2ef979d6cc5c6&oe=5604EFFF&__gda__=1439790500_c504c8cea1ef8e31ebdbef926bd7f80 3 (https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-0/11246182_893423120716163_7834114991471918582_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoibyJ9&oh=4ec68fdc05dda6a111a2ef979d6cc5c6&oe=5604EFFF&__gda__=1439790500_c504c8cea1ef8e31ebdbef926bd7f80 3)
Apparebtly the Titan has already sold out and was £1150 inc weapons? To be verified by someone there?
Also some previews of some more mah-hoosive ad mech stuff
Path Walker
05-16-2015, 03:28 AM
Apparently there is a Chaos Knight kit on show today too
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And a Lord of Skulls conversion kit so we can stop seeing those half-arsed ones people have done where we have to pretend we don't think look awkward as hell.
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Oh my god, the Warlord comes with an alternate head which exactly looks like the old epic one....NICE!!!
Plus I spot an alternative carapace weapon (missile launcher), allthough people say that currently only the turbo laser is available
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new Word Bearer models plus character model, new breacher squad, Ordinatus, Ultramarines
apparently the Warlord is 1260 pounds with all fore weapons, posted by someone who says he bought one there. Allthough people are already complaining about the price, I actually expected something worse. Works for me.
Warlord
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Sigismund
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Ordinatus
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Ultramarines Breacher-like Squad
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White Scars
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Word Bearers Character and Squad
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Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 03:45 AM
Read it and weep!
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Also..'Ultramarines, I Guess?'
Word is that's White Scars....
Unholy cow...15/15/14...30 HP, and what seems like eight force fields (at least it sports eight generators).
@Mr Mistery:
yeah, I was quite unsure about the models, I couldn't make something out of the flash on the left shoulder or the overall style, but since the photo seems to come from the same cabinet, I thought it could be Ultramarines, but also found the source saying these are WIP White Scars.
Path Walker
05-16-2015, 03:52 AM
For the points, its going to be just under 3000 with upgrades, its pretty cheap for Forge World, 3000 points for Mechanicum would probably set you back a lot more
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 03:54 AM
And do have a peek at the model under the White Scars,
Looks like some kind of Lord of Skulls conversion kit? I'm sure that's a Khornate Crest.
Looks like this buddy:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14064&d=1431768361
(which I find a bit silly, but maybe it's the angle)
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I just checked the sprues from the Lord of Skulls on the GW-site because I couldn't remember from when I built mine, but all the parts for the Torso and Arms actually are in just two sprues, so this conversion kit works nicely for them :)
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 04:12 AM
I was right!
On this shot, can anyone identify the nurgly thing on the left? Looks like a new Demon release, as it's in the Chaos cabinet and next to Samus. Also doesn't look like anything from Warhammer Forge.
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What could it actually be? I read about 70% of the Horus Heresy novels, but can't remember anything like it. Maybe something from Davin?
Edit: stupid me, that most likely is Eugen Temba! COOL :D
Kirsten
05-16-2015, 05:15 AM
woohoo, white scars, awesome. does that mean they are in book five then I wonder? would be odd to be working on a white scars squad if they weren't, given how many other legions already with rules are still missing models.
liking the Lord of Skulls conversion too, might have to get one of those for my khorne stuff.
daboarder
05-16-2015, 05:25 AM
Nice to see chaos FINALLY got some knight love.
Not a massive fan but good base for conversions. Still think the lord of skulls looks super derpy.
Now we just have to hope we dont get the standard herp derp terribad chaos variant rules.
Houghten
05-16-2015, 05:25 AM
I hope they remember to specify it can be taken in a Khorne Daemonkin list.
Arkhan Land
05-16-2015, 05:33 AM
so much cool stuff
Question to you all:
is it me, or does the material the Ordinatus is made off, look different than the stuff we have seen before, even if it was WIP? It looks a little bit translucent, like...many 3D prints. As the model was also shown as a digital 3D sculpt, would this be the first digital 3D sculpt from Forge World, or are they doing it for quite some time (digital sculpt -> master print -> mould -> resin cast)? I know that GW goes directly from digital sculpts to metal moulds for quite a long time actually (IIRC, the MK III Land Raider was the first kit where they experimented with scanned a large sculpt to then process the rest on the computer).
I haven't followed Forge World in that regard in the last years. Are the also 3D sculpting for quite some time???
Path Walker
05-16-2015, 06:07 AM
FW have been using 3D prints to make moulds for the mechanised units for a while now, they have a very big and expensive high resolution 3D printer, they'll use it to make a run of a CAD design then work on it a bit more before they make a mould.
Thanks for the info! Didn't know they already use 3D sculpting, thought they still go "old school" all the way ;)! Thank you!
Paintingplasticcrack
05-16-2015, 06:32 AM
Chaos knight is ok, but unusually the conversersions I've seen around the internet have been better. It's a bit bland imo.
Path Walker
05-16-2015, 06:48 AM
A lot of what will make it impressive is in the painting really, blurry shots of a grey model are never going to show it in the best light
musical-fool
05-16-2015, 07:20 AM
I honestly don't know what I would be doing with my Saturday if my better half wasn't away.
Thanks to all those who are posting for those of us who couldn't make it!
Battle Bunnies has been posting continuously since this morning and this has got to be the best post (so far) today:
http://battlebunnies.blogspot.fr/2015/05/exhibition-pics.html
If you look above the AM/IG hangar there are what look like Land Speeder exhaust fan-thingys but x100 in size!
YorkNecromancer
05-16-2015, 07:30 AM
Visually at least, the Calth stuff is really turning into the closest thing to 'Good vs. Evil' I've ever seen in 40K. The Ultramarines stuff is absolutely stunning, and I say that as someone who has never once had the slightest interest in that chapter.
Defenestratus
05-16-2015, 08:18 AM
If it's legit models, sure. If it's the Chinese copies, I don't trust the quality, even at the price. Wrong piece(s) gets malformed, and you've wasted all that money.
Well the funny thing about these chinese recasts is that they're of much higher quality casts than the originals. In fact, in several GT's for the past two years people are showing up with 100% recasted armies (they know who they are) and nobody has ever noticed.
The warlord is sadly underwhelming in both model and rules. 30HP is ridiculously easy to annihilate.
Path Walker
05-16-2015, 08:29 AM
Well the funny thing about these chinese recasts is that they're of much higher quality casts than the originals. In fact, in several GT's for the past two years people are showing up with 100% recasted armies (they know who they are) and nobody has ever noticed.
I've seen a lot of recasts and they're really not of higher quality at all, similar if not worse. The resin is also much more brittle generally, easily snapping and try getting a replacement from China and see how that goes for you.
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The warlord is sadly underwhelming in both model and rules. 30HP is ridiculously easy to annihilate.
Don't forget its AV 15 and has a 5+ Inv save and 8 Void shields. Thats not easy to get rid of. Oh and Super Heavies and Gargantuan Monstrous Creatures can only hit it in melee on a 5+, everything else needs 6+, but yeah, easy to annihilate.
Defenestratus
05-16-2015, 08:58 AM
I've seen a lot of recasts and they're really not of higher quality at all, similar if not worse. The resin is also much more brittle generally, easily snapping and try getting a replacement from China and see how that goes for you.
Its really easy. In fact, to fix FW's miscasts, it was easier going to the chinese to get them done. You just email them "Hey, I need XYZ part, can I order 10 of them?" and he sends a paypal invoice. Two weeks later -- 10 perfectly casted UNWARPED parts. Don't know what kind of experience you had with them but its clearly not what the their customers I know of have experienced.
Don't forget its AV 15 and has a 5+ Inv save and 8 Void shields. Thats not easy to get rid of. Oh and Super Heavies and Gargantuan Monstrous Creatures can only hit it in melee on a 5+, everything else needs 6+, but yeah, easy to annihilate.
You have to realize that I played apoc at a different scale as most people. My regular opponent was two warlords and an imperator in addition to all of the FW greater daemons. Its not difficult to kill massive amounts of HP when you have the tools at my disposal.
I have 32 str D shots per turn just from my super heavies alone. Thats not counting the new toys the Eldar codex gave me. With those counted I have well over 100 per turn so yeah, if we're playing a game, best bring three of these because I'll kill probably two a turn.
eldargal
05-16-2015, 09:04 AM
Yup. One of the reasons I'm so thrilled about FW finally doing a Warlord titan is that more people are going to be fielding them and that means more tears from players when my eldar obliterfry them.
deinol
05-16-2015, 10:08 AM
I hope they remember to specify it can be taken in a Khorne Daemonkin list.
You realize the imperial knight can only be taken in it's own formations, right? I'd expect the chaos one to work the same. GW expects people to combine formations from different books these days.
Houghten
05-16-2015, 10:16 AM
FW walk a different path.
Lurker
05-16-2015, 10:23 AM
This is probably one of my fav pics so far.
From Battlebunnies
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ucdFw2guLfE/VVcj75wJ2mI/AAAAAAAAEKo/PwddYSSBn_k/s640/DSC_0372.JPG
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 10:43 AM
Warlord is looking might fine. And packs an awful lot of dakka by the looks of things.
Not something I'd ever buy, as let alone painting it, it would probably sit in its little plastic bags for yonks, as I'm well scared of working with resin for entirely illogical reasons.
But massive thank you to those who took and shared the pics across a plethora of platforms
Rictus
05-16-2015, 11:17 AM
Here are my pics of the new Forge World items:
Part 1 (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world.html)
Part 2 (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world_16.html)
Part 3 (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world_17.html)
Asymmetrical Xeno
05-16-2015, 11:30 AM
Warlord looks pretty cool, look forward to seeing what people do with them, at least those that could afford something like that!
Ordinatus looks great, in line with the other 40k mechanicum, weird seeing something like that in 40k scale as I own some of the epic ones.
Gulliman looks nice, captures the statesman feel of him nicely.
Ultramarines and White scars stuff is ok, doesn't really excite me though.
I dig the Chaos Knight, better than I thought it would be and it's something a lot of people have wanted to see too. Would still like to see the Slaanesh Hell-Knights though.
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 12:02 PM
Warlord looks pretty cool, look forward to seeing what people do with them, at least those that could afford something like that!
Ordinatus looks great, in line with the other 40k mechanicum, weird seeing something like that in 40k scale as I own some of the epic ones.
Gulliman looks nice, captures the statesman feel of him nicely.
Ultramarines and White scars stuff is ok, doesn't really excite me though.
I dig the Chaos Knight, better than I thought it would be and it's something a lot of people have wanted to see too. Would still like to see the Slaanesh Hell-Knights though.
Hellknights and that would be best done using the Forgeworld Chassis - it's suitably lanky :)
Kirsten
05-16-2015, 01:32 PM
now that we have a Warlord model, Forge World just need to release a Leman Russ model so that somebody can recreate everyone's favourite duel.
Asymmetrical Xeno
05-16-2015, 04:30 PM
Hellknights and that would be best done using the Forgeworld Chassis - it's suitably lanky :)
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Hell Strider go johnny go go go go !
Defenestratus
05-16-2015, 04:34 PM
Its awesome to finally see all these new Xenos models!!!! I knew FW must have been waiting for an ideal moment to let us be gobsmacked by something worthy!
:rolleyes:
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 04:43 PM
To misappropriate the words of His Grace, His Excellency, The Duke of Ankh, Commander Sir Samuel Vimes.....follow the money.
Like it or not, Heresey makes FW, and thus GW, a ****load of money. Far, far more than any given Xenos range possibly could.
Just be thankful you're not waiting for more Warhammer Forge.
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 05:00 PM
No, it's just setting some kinda impartial Benchmark.
You're both better than this, and BoLS certainly deserves better.
Asymmetrical Xeno
05-16-2015, 05:03 PM
Its awesome to finally see all these new Xenos models!!!! I knew FW must have been waiting for an ideal moment to let us be gobsmacked by something worthy!
:rolleyes:
I hear you, I'd love to see some proper aliens in the game - but the chances of that are significantly higher than they were a few years ago. Perhaps i'm being overly optimistic but after Harlequins, admech ect....
Kirsten
05-16-2015, 05:17 PM
surprised it took so long for the whining about lack of Xenos models, that record usually sticks much sooner.
Defenestratus
05-16-2015, 05:33 PM
Oh just forget about it. Guess I can't share an opinion and give it the frame of reference that it requires.
:rolleyes:
Wolfshade
05-16-2015, 05:40 PM
Lets keep it civil
I'm not sure I like the big shoulders on the titan, looks a bit 80s...
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 05:42 PM
What's wrong with the 80's, eh? :p
Defenestratus
05-16-2015, 05:49 PM
To misappropriate the words of His Grace, His Excellency, The Duke of Ankh, Commander Sir Samuel Vimes.....follow the money.
Like it or not, Heresey makes FW, and thus GW, a ****load of money. Far, far more than any given Xenos range possibly could.
Just be thankful you're not waiting for more Warhammer Forge.
At least they had the cajones to admit that they're not supporting WF anymore. They wont just come out and say "hey don't expect us to do anything about those Xenos anytime soon - I mean, its only been 7 months since we put out a Xenos model. (October 3rd 2014) Oh look at the shiney NEW giant robots!"
Mr Mystery
05-16-2015, 05:57 PM
K.
I'm not excusing the lack of Xenos, but look at it this way.
I offer two investments, both based off £10.
Now, investment A offers a return of £20, effectively doubling your money. Good eh?
Except, investment B offers a return of £30.
Which are you going to plump for?
Yes. I too would like to see more Xenos, but we're talking business.
Follow. The. Money. That's it. That's the be all and all for any business ever.
daboarder
05-16-2015, 05:57 PM
Lets keep it civil
I'm not sure I like the big shoulders on the titan, looks a bit 80s...
Im with you on this one wolf, I prefer the boxierr "mech warrior" look that other warlords have.
Also, is it me, or is this titan smaller than expected? just seeing it on the table I expected it to be a bit bigger.
Not imperator big, but bigger.
Defenestratus
05-16-2015, 06:18 PM
Im with you on this one wolf, I prefer the boxierr "mech warrior" look that other warlords have.
Also, is it me, or is this titan smaller than expected? just seeing it on the table I expected it to be a bit bigger.
Not imperator big, but bigger.
Indeed. I'm preferring this model a lot more (My friend's) in both size and style
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/w450/0mrjbhNY
Haighus
05-16-2015, 07:41 PM
You have to realize that I played apoc at a different scale as most people. My regular opponent was two warlords and an imperator in addition to all of the FW greater daemons. Its not difficult to kill massive amounts of HP when you have the tools at my disposal.
I have 32 str D shots per turn just from my super heavies alone. Thats not counting the new toys the Eldar codex gave me. With those counted I have well over 100 per turn so yeah, if we're playing a game, best bring three of these because I'll kill probably two a turn.
Yeah, but you are sinking waaay more points into killing that Warlord then. They have given it a huge survivability boost over the previous Warlord, before it could be killed easily by Drop podding Sternguard or Assault Terminators or Carnifexes. Now it pretty much REQUIRES Destroyer weapons or Super Heavy Walkers/Gargantuan creatures to destroy it, being immune to "lesser" rules like Haywire entirely. Yes, you have enough Destroyer weapons to kill it in a turn, but do you have enough to kill the equivalent number of Warlords in points per turn? They even bounce almost a third of Destroyer shots now with the 5++. I feel like saying 30HP is easy to strip when fired at by the entirety of a massive Apocalypse army is in the same ballpark as saying a Guardsmen squad is easy to kill when fired at by 3 Marine squads.
If I used one, I would probably reserve it too, so that I get to fire it's weapons before it gets targeted as it walks onto the board.
Also, from a scale perspective, GW did give the scale for a Warlord in the Apocalypse 1st Edition book, and FW seem to have stuck fairly closely to that, approximately 24" tall. I'm not sure where twice the height of a Reaver came from, that seems overly huge, more Imperator scale. The picture illustrates this.
daboarder
05-16-2015, 09:34 PM
Indeed. I'm preferring this model a lot more (My friend's) in both size and style
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/w450/0mrjbhNY
This brute always tickled my fancy.
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I know the titans are basically churches to ad mech and 40k has a suitibally gothic design. but I dunno, warlords being the main battle line titan of the imperium I like the indsutrialised look a bit more.
I mean even just gothicing up this style but keeping the blocky outline would have been more to my tastes
EDIT:
Saw the front page.
So not only do we have "Bundle only rules" Now we have different rules in the UK compared to everywhere else in the world.
F*ck you GW, you stupid dinosaur
wonder whose actually going to force their opponent to have a copy of the rules as opposed to a photo?
EDIT:
That being said, 20 zerkers charging out of a kharybdis T1 could be interesting
Bigred
05-17-2015, 01:01 AM
pics via Recalcitrant Daze (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world.html) 5-16-2015
Warlord Titan Details
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Gotthammer
05-17-2015, 01:14 AM
pics via Recalcitrant Daze (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world.html) 5-16-2015
Here are my pics of the new Forge World items:
Part 1 (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world.html)
Part 2 (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world_16.html)
Part 3 (http://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warhammer-world-reopening-forge-world_17.html)
;)
Not a big fan of the Warlord, legs are too ickle compared to the shoulders and head I feel. The head & carapace weapons are really chunky as well so it's super top heavy compared to the Reaver or Epic Warlords.
Timmoth
05-17-2015, 02:07 AM
While I think the new Warlord is perfect, particularly with that alternate head, I don't think it will take much effort for FW to make an alternate set of armour plates for a Lucius pattern Warlord.
The basic frame of the new model is pretty much the same, especially as viewed from the rear, and those twin spine/towers on the top look like they are an element more from the Lucius style Warlord than the original Beetleback - which makes me think FW might have the conversion options in mind for future when they designed it that way...?
There's obviously a market for it.
Although I think we'll see a Chaos version first, and hopefully a Banelord option too...
Tzeentch's Dark Agent
05-17-2015, 03:06 AM
Saw the front page.
So not only do we have "Bundle only rules" Now we have different rules in the UK compared to everywhere else in the world.
F*ck you GW, you stupid dinosaur
wonder whose actually going to force their opponent to have a copy of the rules as opposed to a photo?
What are you even talking about?
Mr Mystery
05-17-2015, 03:32 AM
Wonder how he'll complain when the exclusive stuff is rolled out to GW stores?
elmir
05-17-2015, 03:47 AM
Does the Khorne walker type come with a new profile that is maybe less ridiculously overpriced? 777 was fluffy, but garbage compared to what's on the tables now...
surprised it took so long for the whining about lack of Xenos models, that record usually sticks much sooner.
The 'record' of fair criticism usually kicks in sooner because usually people get bored of all the slight variations of SM and IG quicker and they've managed to avoid that this time round because for once, it's not all news on new Imperial stuff. Even so they can't buy them breathing space for long. FW and GW really should focus on showcasing a new(ish) major model or unit of smaller models for each major faction at events like this so the whole community has something to talk about.
Arkhan Land
05-17-2015, 06:29 AM
What are you even talking about?
I think a combination of the Terryn dataslate which was offered only with a now soldout bundle, and then these new WW-exclusive models which essentially are available only across the pond, without gaming community cooperation of course.
My only sort of negative thought about all this is is that previously I always had hoped GW would holdout to the bitter end in Nott. and somehwere in the US, now I know in my heart that the final years of GW will be played out as a UK thing. As grand as this all is, it really feels strange... GW isnt saying that they're reinforcing their final store-front for the final battle but I kind of feel like its implicit.
Maybe im just paranoid?
Kirsten
05-17-2015, 06:41 AM
The 'record' of fair criticism
it isn't fair criticism, it is a repetitious drone repeated ad nauseam. we don't need to hear the same complaints every single time Forge World releases something new. they are not required or obliged in any way to make xenos stuff.
I think a combination of the Terryn dataslate which was offered only with a now soldout bundle, and then these new WW-exclusive models which essentially are available only across the pond, without gaming community cooperation of course.
My only sort of negative thought about all this is is that previously I always had hoped GW would holdout to the bitter end in Nott. and somehwere in the US, now I know in my heart that the final years of GW will be played out as a UK thing. As grand as this all is, it really feels strange... GW isnt saying that they're reinforcing their final store-front for the final battle but I kind of feel like its implicit.
Maybe im just paranoid?
most definitely paranoid. Games Workshop isn't going anywhere, this isn't their 'final years'. they are producing more content than ever before, opening new stores all the time. nobody would build a new HQ just to close up.
daboarder
05-17-2015, 06:43 AM
I think a combination of the Terryn dataslate which was offered only with a now soldout bundle, and then these new WW-exclusive models which essentially are available only across the pond, without gaming community cooperation of course.
My only sort of negative thought about all this is is that previously I always had hoped GW would holdout to the bitter end in Nott. and somehwere in the US, now I know in my heart that the final years of GW will be played out as a UK thing. As grand as this all is, it really feels strange... GW isnt saying that they're reinforcing their final store-front for the final battle but I kind of feel like its implicit.
Maybe im just paranoid?
There is now also a Warhammer World Exclusive supplement according to rumours called "Blood Oath"
https://www.facebook.com/BlogForTheBloodGod/posts/1615905591989614
For the rest of you.
Defenestratus
05-17-2015, 08:01 AM
most definitely paranoid. Games Workshop isn't going anywhere, this isn't their 'final years'. they are producing more content than ever before, opening new stores all the time. nobody would build a new HQ just to close up.
I invite you to look into the near demise of Lego, and its lazarus project.
Its amazing to see that what Lego did to turn itself around is pretty much 100% opposite of what GW is doing (although doing admech and harlequins is a step in the right direction)
"Did you have focus groups of kids?"
"We have focus groups of kids all the time."
https://youtu.be/gvLVslZQbZI
Stone Edwards
05-17-2015, 08:39 AM
I always think it's funny how people get personally offended by the things GW does. So they wanted to do a couple exclusive releases to celebrate their new HQ? So what? Nintendo did exclusive stuff for their club nintendo members and a lot of exclusive stuff to Japan (Sony too). Blizzard sells exclusive stuff at BlizzCon. Microsoft sells exclusive merchandise at their headquarters. Sorry I'm a techie/gamer too so those examples come to mind quicker. I'm sure Harley Davidson sells exclusive stuff at their museum in Milwaukee, etc...
In this case we have exclusive tanks that will probably come out with the next SM codex, and an exclusive campaign book. Like who cares? It's not a big deal.
Kirsten
05-17-2015, 08:53 AM
exactly
Brakkart
05-17-2015, 09:08 AM
Yeah I don't get it either. I mean I like GI Joe, there are exclusive figures and vehicles at every years San Diego Comic Con and JoeCon and probably other conventions too. If I want them I either need to go to those conventions or else look for them on ebay. Pretty sure the same thing applies with places like Disney World or Warner's 6 Flags theme parks and the like. We don't have those places here in the UK so we don't get the stuff from them unless we go to visit them or someone sells it on ebay. Everyone else doesn't have Warhammer World, so if they want the stuff that's only available there then they can either get on a plane and visit the place (make a holiday of it, the place is in Nottingham which is packed with medieval places to see after all, it being the "home" of Robin Hood), or else look on ebay. The whining that "it isn't fair that it's only available there blah blah" is frankly childish, when it is entirely fair that it is only available there.
40kGamer
05-17-2015, 10:40 AM
All of the GW Exclusive releases that I can remember to date have been variants of models with existing rules or models with no rules at all, making them 'nice' but with no impact on the game. If they start a trend of releasing exclusive models that do not have/or will not soon have an existing equivalent then it's pretty stupid. That said I would far prefer to use the existing FW variants to represent these anyhow... Although the weapon options are different from their FW cousins.
Brakkart
05-17-2015, 11:02 AM
Seems both tanks are sold in a single box together with an additional sprue to provide all the extra bits need for the command variants. £75 is the price according to this article (http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/space-marine-hq-command-tanks-rules-and.html) over on Faeit212.
via a reader on Faeit 212
Space Marine HQ Command Tanks sold in one box together with only one sprue to upgrade both base tanks (think the price is £75). They have either the space marines, blood angels, dark angels or space wolves faction. They are chosen together as one HQ slot but operate as separate units on the battlefield.
Rhino Primaris gets an Orbital Array which either brings in one reserve unit automatically or calls an orbital alpha strike (massive blast orbital bombardment) and also has a serveo-skull hub which once per game, per ability, gives one unit in 12” snapshots (including overwatch) at full BS OR fearless OR vehicles only, restore 1 hull point on 2+. Comes with twin-linked plasma gun and transport capacity of 6. No information on points cost yet for either tank.
Excelsior has Aquila Aegis field which is effectively extra armour with inbuilt 6++. One unit within 12" (can be upgraded to 18" for 10pts) gains one special rule for the turn from: counter-attack, fearless, hit & run, Interceptor, preferred enemy, sky fire, spit fire or tank hunters. Can take a combi plasma. Comes with 2 twin linked lascannons, a grav cannon and grav.
If an Excelsior is within 24” of one or more friendly primaris then +1 BS to excelsior. Both tanks can take the usual stormbolter, hunter killer, extra armour and dozer blade (rhino only) upgrades.
Grabbed the pics of the box:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J5tO3hbzUD8/VVikD0bgjHI/AAAAAAAAz1Y/i0Srwz1ZJcY/s1600/%24_57%2B(1).JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_17uMmcf7A8/VVikDxZFHSI/AAAAAAAAz1U/q-mT2VxGkL0/s1600/%24_57.JPG
I like the reversible doors, that gives a lot of customising options. Also I note that the box is listed as Adeptus Astartes, which follows with what a lot of us have suspected for some time that the next codex will be Codex: Adeptus Astartes rather than Codex: Space Marines.
Kirsten
05-17-2015, 11:11 AM
they look great
Paintingplasticcrack
05-17-2015, 11:45 AM
They do look nice, I hope they become available once the Space Marine codex becomes updated. If not the FW alternatives are pretty nice.
Wildeybeast
05-17-2015, 12:33 PM
Having attended yesterday, I thought I'd give a bit of a review about the changes to Warhammer World. My summary would be that I was a little disappointed. It felt like something of a missed opportunity.
On arrival, there is a large new entrance hall with toilets. I don't know if they have plans for putting something there, but it felt like a large empty space. You ascend up the staircase into the revamped store, ensuring you enter and exit via the gift shop. There were no demo tables or painting stations in there, which felt odd, but they may go into the area the old store occupied, which had a temporary looking art display in it this weekend. From there you can enter into the gaming hall, which has been reduced in size to accommodate the FW and BL stores.
These stores were an interesting addition. Firstly, they were very odd aesthetically. Three sides of the hall were still the old castle walls with the fourth now all steel, glass and black paint. It felt a bit lazy in terms of design and a missed opportunity to revamp the hall. Both stores had a wide range of products, though the BL store definitely didn't carry the full range and I'd be surprised if the FW one did. Being able to pick FW stuff off the shelf compared to waiitng around three hours for a pick up was great, as was being able to browse and see display models. By comparison, the BL store felt like a tiny and slightly redundant book shop that didn't quite have enough of a range to warrant a whole store. There was no question which store was busier. So, we basically have less gaming space for more retail space. Sounds about right.
Bugmans has had a paint job, the fluffy shields have been replaced with art prints (available to buy of course) and has a few more tables, but is otherwise much the same.
The miniatures exhibition was the surprising high point. Having seen that they were going to be charging £7.50 for entry, I was expecting to be ripped off. I was not. It has been massively expanded and now consists of 4 rooms. To give you some context of the size of the expansion, the old exhibition hall is just filled with Warhammer stuff now. Alongside the army specific cabinets, there are a number of new large displays. The multi-tunnel Skaven assault on a Dwarf hold and the Eldar fighting Tyranids across a glowing lava field were two of my favourites. However, the stand out was a massive 40k display. And I mean massive. In terms of floor space, it must have covered the same area as my living room and kitchen combined. There is a descending staircase that goes around it, allowing you to really take it in. I'm not going to spoil it for you with any details, but has to be seen to be believed. I came out feeling that whilst I wouldn't pay to go in again in a hurry, I didn't mind having paid to see it.
Bigred
05-17-2015, 12:42 PM
via Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307722-warhammer-world-exclusive-campaign-blood-oath/) on BolterandChainsword 5-17-2015
Warhammer World Exclusive Campaign Supplement: Blood Oath (Ultramarines, Grey Knights, Imperial Knights, Titans vs Khorne, Chaos Titans, Chaos Knights)
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Dataslates/Formations:
Ultramarines 1st company:
The Spear of Sicarius:
Grey Knights Emperors Hand Strike Force:
Anvil of the Emperor - Knights and Titans
The Bloodied Horde (Khorne Daemons)
The Fist of Khorne (Berzerkers)
The Goreguard (Anggrath and Bloodthirsters)
Hellforged Hunting Pack (Daemon Engines)
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Haighus
05-17-2015, 01:19 PM
Interesting, they have Dataslates including FW models in, and most of the display boards I have seen so far include FW models in prominant postions. Perhaps this heralds a greater inclusion of FW in GW publications, or is maybe just a way to push FW whilst you have access to the store at Warhmmer World?
Brakkart
05-17-2015, 05:22 PM
Courtesy of El Descanso Del Escriba (http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/son-de-plastico.html?spref=fb) a photo of the upgrade sprue from the Command Tanks set:
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Timmoth
05-18-2015, 03:04 AM
via Atia (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307722-warhammer-world-exclusive-campaign-blood-oath/) on BolterandChainsword 5-17-2015 Rules for Chaos Knights?
StraightSilver
05-18-2015, 05:03 AM
Loving the Spear of Sicarius.
Such a shame as I have pretty much a full 2nd Company painted but nothing is in Drop Pods (all Rhinos).
Half tempted to paint up 10 pods, although it's unlikely I'd ever get to use that formation as it comes in at over 2000 points. Plus my Assault Squads are equipped with Jump Packs meaning they wouldn't fit in the pods (units must be 10 models).
Such a shame there isn't an option for a mechanised version.
Cutter
05-18-2015, 05:45 AM
Seems both tanks are sold in a single box together with an additional sprue to provide all the extra bits need for the command variants. £75 is the price according to this article (http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/space-marine-hq-command-tanks-rules-and.html) over on Faeit212.
Grabbed the pics of the box:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J5tO3hbzUD8/VVikD0bgjHI/AAAAAAAAz1Y/i0Srwz1ZJcY/s1600/%24_57%2B(1).JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_17uMmcf7A8/VVikDxZFHSI/AAAAAAAAz1U/q-mT2VxGkL0/s1600/%24_57.JPG
I like the reversible doors, that gives a lot of customising options. Also I note that the box is listed as Adeptus Astartes, which follows with what a lot of us have suspected for some time that the next codex will be Codex: Adeptus Astartes rather than Codex: Space Marines.
Any turned up on ebay yet?
Denzark
05-18-2015, 06:02 AM
£25 BIN for Blood Oath...
daboarder
05-18-2015, 06:06 AM
Ive seen reports of 150+ on ebay already. There is a 200 BIN apparently
Cutter
05-18-2015, 06:50 AM
Ive seen reports of 150+ on ebay already. There is a 200 BIN apparently
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daboarder
05-18-2015, 07:01 AM
pretty sure that was USD not GBP though, but still.
40kGamer
05-18-2015, 07:10 AM
I invite you to look into the near demise of Lego, and its lazarus project.
Its amazing to see that what Lego did to turn itself around is pretty much 100% opposite of what GW is doing (although doing admech and harlequins is a step in the right direction)
"Did you have focus groups of kids?"
"We have focus groups of kids all the time."
https://youtu.be/gvLVslZQbZI
Come on... you know there's no reason to listen to your customers if you already know what they want. ;)
Denzark
05-18-2015, 07:42 AM
Come on... you know there's no reason to listen to your customers if you already know what they want. ;)
Or you're doing your legally governed duty to act in the interests of your shareholders and are running in profit...
40kGamer
05-18-2015, 08:30 AM
Or you're doing your legally governed duty to act in the interests of your shareholders and are running in profit...
Yes sir, but the ultimate goal is to maximize those profits for the shareholders not just 'make a profit'. Regardless, GW's still strong enough as a company that I don't worry over their near term solvency but the lack of any actual business nemesis has guided them into a place of relative complacency.
Denzark
05-18-2015, 08:48 AM
Yes sir, but the ultimate goal is to maximize those profits for the shareholders not just 'make a profit'. Regardless, GW's still strong enough as a company that I don't worry over their near term solvency but the lack of any actual business nemesis has guided them into a place of relative complacency.
Sorry I couldn't resist... I actually agree with you and haven't seen it so well put - lack of actual business nemesis...
But we digress...
40kGamer
05-18-2015, 08:54 AM
Sorry I couldn't resist... I actually agree with you and haven't seen it so well put - lack of actual business nemesis...
But we digress...
We sure have... :) Surely modern society is to blame for our short attention spans! Someday I hope to make the pilgrimage to Nottingham to see the massive table displays. From Wildeybeast's description they sound pretty awesome.
Wildeybeast
05-18-2015, 12:31 PM
It is. The huge one was almost too big to fully take in. You end up missing out on some of the smaller details. The others were just about the right size to be able to fully appreciate them. There's a really nice 'snap shot' of the assault on Rynn's World that recreates the old Rogue Trader cover art and has a Stormboy cheekily pinching a flag off the top of a tower, just because he can.
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