Space Marine Chapter Idea/Question

[Spikey McTorture]

Hey I am creating a custom space marine chapter that is called the Kush Kloudz. Essentially they a chapter of pipe-hitting bad-***** who slay the enemies of the emperor and take mad rips in battle. I was planning on using the blood angel rules so I can model Kush-Masters(Sanguinary Priest counts-as) who are the masters of the chapters Kush which bestows Feel-No-Pain on the toker. The chapter originates from the planet Kushkonia which is the Imperium's last remaining supplier of grass, it is a planet completely covered by bud. The chapter master I'm going to call Ralphael Marley and I want to model him like this:
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Any feedback would be appreciated, also does anyone know any miniature companies who sell miniature bongs/pipes/blunts/weed plants that I can put on my space marine models?

[Chris*ta]

Feedback? This isn't as clever as you think it is.

[Spikey McTorture]

It most certainly is, I don't see you doing something this original, bub.

[Path Walker]

This is some meta irony here

[Gotthammer]

I would've thought you'd use Salamander rules because they like to blaze it ayyyyyyylmao *airhorn noises (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6rFjNQUwE)*

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What in the Emperor's name is this baloney?

[Denzark]

Seems to be basing a chapter's back story on alluding to the partaking of marijuana. The contributor is either 13 y.o. and thus thinks drug taking is 'edgy' or he is a Rastafarian in which case I respect his religious beliefs but would prefer it not to be in 40K.

[Path Walker]

Or they're doing an exagerated "idiot stoner moron" thing

[Arkhan Land]

http://www.dollhousesupplies.com/bright-delights-rose-glass-smoking-pipe-1-inch-scale-miniature.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwgoKqBRDt_IfLr8y1iMUBE iQA8Ua7XZ_Ixoa_a2aFIzGoVU_sievssCJ5gfYhF4xX2ENKt8Y aAu-08P8HAQ


tiny bong in hand i drop out of tiny life

I just looked this is a 1 inch tall little model so lil Marley's gonna need two techpriests to help him hold that while he hits, dormstyle

[Morgrim]

I feel I should point out that due to their implants, Space Marines are probably immune to the mind altering effects of marijuana. It'd have no more effect on them than a run of the mill burning city. Stick with orks, mate.

[Charistoph]

I thought it was the Slaanesh marked Marines that went after experiencing life in different and exotic ways.

[Spikey McTorture]

Seems to be basing a chapter's back story on alluding to the partaking of marijuana. The contributor is either 13 y.o. and thus thinks drug taking is 'edgy' or he is a Rastafarian in which case I respect his religious beliefs but would prefer it not to be in 40K.

Hey man, many narcotics exist in the 40k universe. Lho-Sticks, 'Slaught, Obscura, and Spook are just a few examples. 40k is not a drug-free universe and it is very feasible that a space marine chapter might fall into the clutches of space kush. Maybe they may get labeled as excommunicate traitoris, but that is up to the inquisition.

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I thought it was the Slaanesh marked Marines that went after experiencing life in different and exotic ways.

You know, that's a good idea, I think I might make the Kush Kloudz chaos marines dedicated to slaanesh

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I feel I should point out that due to their implants, Space Marines are probably immune to the mind altering effects of marijuana. It'd have no more effect on them than a run of the mill burning city. Stick with orks, mate.

Space Wolves drink Space Beer and get hammered, so I suppose the Kush Kloudz could take mad space kush rips and get bunned.

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I would've thought you'd use Salamander rules because they like to blaze it ayyyyyyylmao *airhorn noises (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6rFjNQUwE)*

Well, they do have the best lighters in the galaxy

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http://www.dollhousesupplies.com/bright-delights-rose-glass-smoking-pipe-1-inch-scale-miniature.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwgoKqBRDt_IfLr8y1iMUBE iQA8Ua7XZ_Ixoa_a2aFIzGoVU_sievssCJ5gfYhF4xX2ENKt8Y aAu-08P8HAQ


tiny bong in hand i drop out of tiny life

I just looked this is a 1 inch tall little model so lil Marley's gonna need two techpriests to help him hold that while he hits, dormstyle

Thanks a lot man, I will be ordering a few for those

[Theik]

Model looks awesome but I doubt the stoner who posted this topic actually made it, so I'm going to rate this topic a 0/10.

[Spikey McTorture]

Model looks awesome but I doubt the stoner who posted this topic actually made it, so I'm going to rate this topic a 0/10.

I said in the post I wanted to model my chapter master after that model. Also, why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that I am a stoner? The Warhammer 40k universe is fictional, if one plays an army of Chaos Space Marines dedicated to Khorne does that mean he must be a serial killer who spills blood in dedication to some blood god? No, of course not. So if I choose to play an army of space marines who engage in bunnage it should not condemn me as a stoner. There is no reason at all that anyone should assume that I am a stoner.

[Mr Mystery]

You talk so hip man, you're twisting my melon man.

Astartes and narcotics etc. Look at Space Wolves. They have to drink copious amounts of essentially Space-Meths just to get tiddly, and even then their astounding physiology prevents it lasting very long.

So no. This idea is as bobbins as it is childish.

People have been smoking cannabis for centuries. It's not edgy. It's not cool. Every single stoner I have ever met has been a colossal bore when ripped to their tits.

[Dalleron]

I won't lie, I got a chuckle reading the post.

Surely it wouldn't be too hard to greenstuff what you're looking for.

[Spikey McTorture]

You talk so hip man, you're twisting my melon man.

Astartes and narcotics etc. Look at Space Wolves. They have to drink copious amounts of essentially Space-Meths just to get tiddly, and even then their astounding physiology prevents it lasting very long.

So no. This idea is as bobbins as it is childish.

People have been smoking cannabis for centuries. It's not edgy. It's not cool. Every single stoner I have ever met has been a colossal bore when ripped to their tits.

Even if they don't feel any effects, who's to stop Astartes from smoking it. You just said that Space Wolves don't feel the effects for too long, but they still do it. When did I ever say smoking dope was cool or edgy? 40k is a game where you do things you wouldn't do in real life. A person who plays Khorne doesn't go around killing people for the blood god in real life. In fact, killing people in real life isn't edgy and it's not cool, but in the 40k universe Khornate Chaos Space Marines do so. Just as smoking marijuana may not be cool or edgy, but it doesn't stop the fictional Kush Kloudz space marine chapter from doing it.

Also, you imply that this idea is silly and childish? The very idea of giant, armoured super-humans going around and fighting aliens is quite silly, maybe even childish. Roboute Guilliman taking off his helmet in space is silly. 40k is silly. Does that mean it's bad? Absolutely not!

Also you said that this idea is childish? Why would you think that a child would come up with a concept dealing with narcotics? How many kids you know write stoner fantasies and happen to be stoners? You have a very twisted mind mister.

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I won't lie, I got a chuckle reading the post.

Surely it wouldn't be too hard to greenstuff what you're looking for.

Let's just say my greenstuff skills are equivalent to a stoner's math skills ha ha.

[Charon]

I said in the post I wanted to model my chapter master after that model. Also, why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that I am a stoner? The Warhammer 40k universe is fictional, if one plays an army of Chaos Space Marines dedicated to Khorne does that mean he must be a serial killer who spills blood in dedication to some blood god? No, of course not. So if I choose to play an army of space marines who engage in bunnage it should not condemn me as a stoner. There is no reason at all that anyone should assume that I am a stoner.

Mostly because people are kind of strange.
Drinking Blood is ok, Injecting drugs is cool, spilling guts is amazing, having Death Guard inhaling toxic fumes is colorful, Dark Eldar taking Drugs all day long and Eldar even having a dedicated path for use of narcotics is totally legit... but this... this goes too far! Killing is all fun and games... but this....

[Denzark]

You talk so hip man, you're twisting my melon man.


Thanks Matey had to listen to Happy Mondays now.


I said in the post I wanted to model my chapter master after that model. Also, why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that I am a stoner? The Warhammer 40k universe is fictional, if one plays an army of Chaos Space Marines dedicated to Khorne does that mean he must be a serial killer who spills blood in dedication to some blood god? No, of course not. So if I choose to play an army of space marines who engage in bunnage it should not condemn me as a stoner. There is no reason at all that anyone should assume that I am a stoner.

It is an entirely reasonable assumption given your obvious acquaintance with 'Stoner Language'. 'Mad Kush Rips', 'Bunnage'. Its like listening to my 15 year old class mates in 1994 pretending they are Howard Marks.

The reason why I find this morally dubious is because it is all about degrees. Khorne murder-worship is a fictional thing. Real life drug taking is not. Its on a vein with 'SS' painted marines. You can argue all you like it reflects the martial virtues of a very effective combat unit, but it is still distasteful and seems to be just to attract attention.

You might as well call the chapter 'The Pornstars' and call your 10th Company 'The Fluffers' with Chapter Master Ron Jeremy who has a large power dil.

You can box that off as Slaanesh worship but its still absurd.

[Spikey McTorture]

You seem to have your head on straight, Charon.

[Spikey McTorture]

Thanks Matey had to listen to Happy Mondays now.



It is an entirely reasonable assumption given your obvious acquaintance with 'Stoner Language'. 'Mad Kush Rips', 'Bunnage'. Its like listening to my 15 year old class mates in 1994 pretending they are Howard Marks.

The reason why I find this morally dubious is because it is all about degrees. Khorne murder-worship is a fictional thing. Real life drug taking is not. Its on a vein with 'SS' painted marines. You can argue all you like it reflects the martial virtues of a very effective combat unit, but it is still distasteful and seems to be just to attract attention.

You might as well call the chapter 'The Pornstars' and call your 10th Company 'The Fluffers' with Chapter Master Ron Jeremy who has a large power dil.

You can box that off as Slaanesh worship but its still absurd.

Murder, however, is a real issue and it is distasteful. I would have to say more so than drug-taking (which is canon 40k lore), and pornography. Furthermore, have you considered the fact that I may have picked up stoner-slang off of stoners without being a stoner myself? If one speaks the German language it does not make him or her German, just as knowledge of Marijuana-related terms does not imply I am a stoner.


To everyone who thinks this idea is stupid, please include a reason why. I'm not here to be roasted as a stoner, I just would like some constructive feedback on an army idea. Cool off and quit losing your heads over a fictional space marine chapter inspired by a real life group of people. If you haven't noticed, many space marine chapters are inspired by a real life group of people.

[Denzark]

So you're not a stoner? And you think stoners are throbbers par excellence?

OK lets look at this from Canon/fluff.

Imperials

Would they take something which impairs their combat efficiency and causes mental degradation - no. Full stop, end of, no.

Don't do a false equivalence comparison to Space Wolves - because their armour and equipment does not reflect their like of a good pint in their rare moments of down time.

So is it a religious thing - after all the miniature you showed had a rasta cap on? Umm, also no. Big Emp wiped out all religions, SM worship him.

OK so did they go rebel so they could toke up? Umm, unlikely an entry level class B drug (UK) could be the cause of a chapter turning its face from the imperial light.


So, are they Slaanesh traitors? Right the Emperor's Children stopped during the assault on the palace to render down administratum prisoners. Slaanesh is slightly beyond a bit of puff, I don't buy Slaanesh.

Is it Nurgle - I mean your common or garden ganja head has hygiene skills that make a sweaty post-tournament geek look like a model in a Herbal Essence advert. Umm, no.


Could it be a Tzeentchian plan so inscrutable we don't get it? Its a stretch, but I would accept it as a possibility.


All in all I think it unlikely and if you want a shock value army for the table top why don't you go full on and do the Trainspotting Skag Head chapter? You could raise a few laughs with the chaplain coming up out of a toilet.

Ha-di-Ha drugs are so witty and amusing.

[Charon]

Care to comment on hello kitty marines?

[Spikey McTorture]

Denzark, your argument is invalidated by the fact that I mentioned is one of my previous posts on this topic that this is "Space Kush," not your average, garden-variety Marijuana. This stuff is potent enough to kill a regular human from one drag (That's really saying something when you take into consideration the fact that you would have to smoke 15000 pounds in 15 minutes to die from Marijuana) just like the Space Wolves' brew can kill a normal human. I'd even be bold enough to say that Slaanesh marines would readily ready their bongs to receive this stuff.

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Care to comment on hello kitty marines?

If it floats your boat then go for it, the most important thing is that you enjoy the army you play.

[Denzark]

Care to comment on hello kitty marines?

Yes.

The only reason you would turn up with hello kitty marines is to create an impression, cause some ironic humour and maybe play for laughs.

That is the only reason I can think of to ignore all possibilities of a decent paint scheme to recreate a cartoon character originally aimed at pre-adolescent girls - such a colour scheme no matter how well executed is an eyesore.

The difference between trying to create an impression and ironic humour using a pre-adolescent girl's cartoon and using a drug theme is that the former theme is benign (unless you are some kind of nonce) and the latter is not benign or amusing.

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Denzark, your argument is invalidated by the fact that I mentioned is one of my previous posts on this topic that this is "Space Kush," not your average, garden-variety Marijuana. This stuff is potent enough to kill a regular human from one drag (That's really saying something when you take into consideration the fact that you would have to smoke 15000 pounds in 15 minutes to die from Marijuana) just like the Space Wolves' brew can kill a normal human. I'd even be bold enough to say that Slaanesh marines would readily ready their bongs to receive this stuff.


If that's the case its well known cannabis impairs motor skills and makes people lethargic. Slaanesh get +1I in game to represent their lightning quick actions. So you've ruled out Slaanesh then.

Next?

[Spikey McTorture]

Yes.

The only reason you would turn up with hello kitty marines is to create an impression, cause some ironic humour and maybe play for laughs.

That is the only reason I can think of to ignore all possibilities of a decent paint scheme to recreate a cartoon character originally aimed at pre-adolescent girls - such a colour scheme no matter how well executed is an eyesore.

The difference between trying to create an impression and ironic humour using a pre-adolescent girl's cartoon and using a drug theme is that the former theme is benign (unless you are some kind of nonce) and the latter is not benign or amusing.

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If that's the case its well known cannabis impairs motor skills and makes people lethargic. Slaanesh get +1I in game to represent their lightning quick actions. So you've ruled out Slaanesh then.

Next?

On the contrary, I am sure legions of stoners would giggle themselves into a frenzy at my idea. Also, I would say they are Slaanesh marines, but not use the mark of Slaanesh to represent their impaired motor-skills (Which would have been I5 had they not impaired their motor skills by smoking marijuana).

[Denzark]

Well its very 'noble' of you to fit the square peg of your fluff into the round hole of gameplay by imposing a penalty on yourself.

As to 'legions of stoners' giggling themselves into a frenzy, be clear which stage of stoner we are on about. The ones funding organised crime with their habit, the ones on their way to hard drugs, the ones upsetting their mothers as they turn their own brains into mush with an ever increasing THC content, or just your average happy stinky stoners who wouldn't harm a fly in the midst of their green homegrown dreams?

Because actually any of these demographics don't usually hold opinions worth a single rickety rat f*ck about anything let alone what represents witty badinage.

Anyhoo matey I'm checking out of this conversation as the concept is just being provocative for being provocative's sake.

[Mr Mystery]

And what of those who whitey in the middle of the battle? Liability.

All the suspect substances in 40k revolve around improving ones prowess. Doobyspliffjoints....not so much.

You wanna do it, do it. Doesn't require anyone's approval.

I'd just be wary of flagging myself as 'not as cool as I actually think I am' that readily.

[Charistoph]

To everyone who thinks this idea is stupid, please include a reason why.

Well...

Its like listening to my 15 year old class mates in 1990 pretending they are Howard Marks. And trying to create a soft shock value that just falls flat.

But that's just my perspective.

[Morgrim]

I think the reason many people are objecting is because Space Marines are a terrible choice of army to go with this concept. They pride themselves on being the pinnacle of war made flesh. They do things that are meant to hone their edge. You raise the Space Wolves as an example of marines using mind altering substances, but you're missing two key things: that Space Wolves only drink after the battle, and that the fact they do so is considered extremely strange and not marine-y by all other parties. It's one of a bucket of things that put Space Wolves into their category of "the Inquisition would probably like to declare them traitors but know they'd provoke a civil war if they did".

Your custom chapter isn't going to have a fragment of the leeway the Wolves get.

Now, while I don't find your concept funny, if you're set on it you should consider a different army. Chaos Space Marines that started using uberherbs after their fall is potentially doable, as long as you keep them out of the Eye of Terror. (Dulling one's senses in the heart of Chaos is a good way to die.) If you want Imperium, a unit of Guard with peculiar victory celebrations involving burning plants may be accepted, particularly if they were saying praising things about the Emperor while high. Orks are excellent at zany and cheerful things and have been mentioned occasionally in fluff as licking squigs, so that'd work.

Try one of those armies on for size and see how it goes.

[Arkhan Land]

I think rattlings love to get sloshed and they are space hobbits so you know damn well they blaze jah outer space Old-Toby (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Pipe-weed)

[Psychosplodge]

I always just assumed when the guard mention Obscura as a narcotic it was basically spaceweed.

[Arkhan Land]

I always just assumed when the guard mention Obscura as a narcotic it was basically spaceweed.

I always figured it for space smack

[Path Walker]

Failed attempt to be edgy as ****, 0/10

[Arkhan Land]

you're right, because junkies are cool people!

[Gotthammer]

IDK there's obvs got to be a chapter 420 so might as well work it.

[Alex Knight]

IDK there's obvs got to be a chapter 420 so might as well work it.

Absolutely. We know it existed before the "Official" induction of the Grey Knights (Chapter 666). Maybe it was during the cursed founding, and was an "accidental" gene-mixing of Emperor's Children and another more loyal chapter... Like the Space Wolves. Or Salamanders - (Hence the green armour pattern.)

Frankly, I think the idea is silly. But you know what? Not my army. If he wants to paint and model 420 Marines, he can have fun with that. Probably end up being painted sooner than my Guardians of the Covenant are...