Disappointed in miniatures quality in Starter box

[HappyDad]

Ok, so I am new to Warmachine, and my 2 player starter box arrived a few days ago.

I have to say I was quite disappointed when I first saw the miniatures. I know the look of the Warmachine range is more wacky and comic book than Warhammer's fantasy style, and although this had put me off starting Warmachine for a few years, it has recently started to really grow on me - hence I decided to take the plunge.

However, I am a bit horrified at the quality of the plastic / resin miniatures contained in the box. Every weapon blade and shaft is distorted, the moulding lines are not great, and there is some detail missing in places. The warping is the worst thing, with even some of the chunkier jack weapons being bent.

I was looking forward to throwing the 'plastic' contents together and be playing soon, but I am now faced with the job of having to steam and try to reshape maybe more than 20+ pieces before I can get gluing, not to mention trying to clean up the mould lines without ruining the models.

To be frank, I am a bit gutted and seriously wondering about putting it straight on eBay.

I was just wondering what other peoples views were on the quality of the Warmachine minatures? I had read one review of the starter box somewhere that said the models were pretty ropey, but all the other reviews I had read (including Amazon) did not make any complaint. Just interested in hearing other opinions...

[Erik Setzer]

I've heard of the occasional issue, but yikes! Sounds like you ran into serious problems.

Where are you at, if I might ask? The weather might have played an issue, especially if the transporting took some time and it at some point sat in the heat or something. Games Workshop's Finecast miniatures, for example, absolutely loathe the temperatures of Florida, and all too often you can see the models warped in the packages on store shelves.

I've got a box that should be on my doorstep when I get home tonight, so I'll try to report how mine looks.


Also, funny you mentioned that Warmachine is "more cartoonish" than Warhammer... I was unenthused with some recent Warhammer models (new larger Khorne infantry units and special character), feeling they looked goofy, and was reminded by the manager that GW's aesthetic has always been a bit "cartoonish" and not that realistic. I think Warmachine's just a bit chunkier... but Warhammer might be closing that gap soon.

[HappyDad]

Yes, I quite agree - GW's latest WFB releases have gone 'cartooney'. My first thought when I saw the new Khorne Skull/Blood/Reaper guys was, 'Oh look, GW are now making Warmachine models!'. In a funny kind of way I think that was the final push for me to order my Warmachine starter set.

I am in the UK, and our weather has certainly not been good enough to damage an ice cream, although of course you never know where the box has been before arriving on my doorstep.

I have had another look at them tonight, and they are not quite as bad as I first thought. Every infantry weapon is pretty warped, plus one or two jack weapons. So more like 13 or so parts that I would need to sort out. They would certainly be no good as they are - they would look terrible on the tabletop unless I can straighten them out.

I am still keen to hear other people's views on the quality of Warmachine models (the metal models too). It will help me make my mind up whether to persevere or quit now. Maybe the 2 player starter box is the bottom of the barrel (perhaps in an attempt to keep costs as low as possible)?

[spiralingcadaver]

I think their metal line is fine, and their occasional resin piece is fine as long as you don't get a bad mixture (sometimes it's rubbery).

However, I think it's absurd that they're charging HIPS/metal prices for PVC quality. The switch to the new material has had me basically quit playing the game, not out of outrage or anything, but just because the price plus the pain to prep the models isn't worth it to me. I'll tolerate PVC for board games since they're priced appropriately (40-ish models of a dozen or so sculpts for around $100 with full game rules is entirely possible) but find it really over the top to charge $35 for a single PVC mini.

When they used to charge $50 for starter boxed sets in metal, infinity charges $50-ish for smaller but much better detail in metal, and Malifaux charges the same for great detail HIPS, I find it fairly inexcusable since PP is larger than either of those companies so should easily be able to afford a small cut in profit for better quality (or keep quality low and match that with the price). Their $100 starters are better deals, but come with pretty poor infantry so it's not very desirable, unfortunately.

If they charged less or made them out of better materials, or even kept it the same but had really impressive sculpts, I might be tempted, but outside trollblood infantry (organic and large for not a horrible price) I generally consider the stuff useless and would rather stick to occasional metal characters and previous editions of metal sculpts.

[Erik Setzer]

So, just finished assembling, and here's my thoughts just spilling out:

1. No instructions? WTF?!?
2. Okay, I get that it's cheaper, but that is NOT how you should pack a starter box.
3. What the heck is that material? I used plastic cement on most of the pieces with the casters, and I think it'll work, but just gave up and changed to super glue to build the rest. It seems like plastic, but not typical model plastic, so I can't use my preferred glue. Meh to that. It actually reminded me, both with the material and the way it was packed, of the pictures of Chinese Forge World knockoffs that show up online in various e-stores or eBay.
4. There were some bends, but not insane. Mostly longer slender pieces. I actually was able to bend a lot of it back into shape by hand. The sword blades were the biggest offenders, otherwise it was the handle on both warcasters' weapons, and I think one of the Khador jacks' axes.
5. Some of the mold lines made me question what I was seeing, like Escher created them. I don't think I got them all off, but that was likely impossible. Getting a chunk of flash off a shield left a "dent," but that can be painted as battle damage.
6. That "ruler" is a joke. Don't waste the money including it, PP.

Overall, while I do have some gripes, I don't think it's awful. I got the box for $69 (plus tax) on Amazon, but even at $99 it's not too bad. The models actually look pretty nice once they're assembled, and seem like good starting points for the game. There's also a rulebook, which saves some money, especially as I can probably just get the army book(s) to get the unit rules. Split over two players, it'd be about $50 each for a caster, two jacks (three for Menoth), and five heavy infantry. Seems reasonable.

I think PP went with a cheaper manufacturing process for these models in order to keep the cost of the box lower. That makes sense, but it could lead to some people having a bad first impression of the models.

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and Malifaux charges the same for great detail HIPS

I got a box of Malifaux models this week, too, the Guild Torch and Blade box. While I might have questioned the price at first for just six models, those are some seriously detailed models. Still, I nearly went insane assembling them. Samael is the worst offender, and there was a piece I couldn't figure out where to attach, which most people seem to have left off, and about the time I finally figured out where to put it, it snapped because it was tiny and thin. So... yeah. But it's a pretty unimportant piece. The models still look amazing, and I want more!

[HappyDad]

We are on the same page then Erik. Glad it is not just me. Well done getting them assembled so quickly! Mine are still sat on the table.

My set included an A4 fold out, called the Introduction Guide that did include assembly instructions for the jacks, but not the infantry.

I agree about Malifaux models - they are glorious, but not for the fat fingered, and I have had a few tiny bits left over and wondered where they were supposed to go too. Lol. I also was not impressed by the price when I fist bought a couple of news, but after assembling thought, actually, they are worth it.

There is no way I would buy many PP minis at their prices having seen the quality of my starter contents. I may pick up a few bits on eBay to increase the starter armies in size and it was Cryx that drew me to Warmachine in the first place so I may get some of them, but I could not justify collecting at that the price / quality.

It is bit of a shame, as I was hoping PP and Warmachine might replace WFB in my life, now that GW have priced me out (and blew the planet up). Guess I will have to keep looking. Maybe I will be blown away once I play a few games of Warmachine...

[Deadlift]

I bought into warmachine because I was just fed up with the GW arms race and the confusion that is fielding a 7th edition army. I chose CoC as my faction and bought 25pts of stuff including the battlebox.
The model quality is terrible. I was shocked to be honest. Miscasting that was so bad that the 2 sides of a piece didn't line up. Mold lines across really import pieces like lenses. Don't even get me started on how fiddle the stuff was to put together. I had to google for instructions. The metal models were fine, really nice in fact as well as some of the resin stuff. But I don't enjoy buying models and worrying what the quality of the cast is going to be like when I open it. I'm slowly building and painting what I bought. Once it's done it's all going on eBay and I'm going to give Infinity or malifaux a go. I don't care what the GW apologists say on the forums, WMH is cheaper to get into, but the quality of the models in my experience are so hit and miss that I won't spend my money on anything more.

This guy was horrible.
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/IMG_0016.jpg
The contact points to glue his Swiss army like arms were tiny, so much so I couldn't even pin them on.

But then this thing was perfect.
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/a2f08f0c89787353e30375b9caab9879.jpg

[spiralingcadaver]

On Malifaux, yeah, didn't say they weren't fiddly as hell. Almost all of the time it's worth it to me, just a few of those straps or whatnot where it felt like they shoudln't have included them or made them just a detail on the surface, since they'll snap if you stare at them.

On alternatives to 40k, I'd highly suggest Infinity as a game that feels like a smarter version of many 40k/specialist games stuff (less "combo armies" and more balanced list, lots of things with similar stat lines and universal weapons/special rules where it's more often a balance of a known quantity rather than unique new rules), with a good price.

[HappyDad]

Infinity and Dropzone Commander are the two bug names I have yet to try. I have never hard anything bad said about Infinity.

[Aaron LeClair]

My issue is with PP it seem some of their models are made up of more than one type of material. Like the Menoth colossal I got was a mix of what seemed to be 3 types of resin, their hard plastic they use and metal. Not sure what they are thinking.

As for starter sets tho, never had a issue with them, but their instructions are lacking if you never put one of their models together before, and some times even if you have you still get confused because of the angles they show.


I know someone who is totally in love with Infinity, but haven't tried it myself dude to just not having the money for another game. I just stopped buy GW products all together at this point.

[spiralingcadaver]

Pretty sure the multiple resin types are just because they're bad at getting the ratios right. I've gotten multiple casts of the same pieces which were dramatically different colors/hardness.

On the starters, they're not that hard except it would be good if they told you that plastic cement doesn't work on PVC and that filing/scraping doesn't clean it, and at least one has (or had, if they fixed it) a model incorrectly assembled in the box art (or that might be a unit box or something... I forget what). The old (very old) boxes did actually come with a very generic universal set of instructions ("this is how you build lights, this is how you build bonejacks, this is how you build heavies..."), but that got scrapped for some reason or other.

On Infinity, some of the rolling is counterintuitive (it makes sense regarding probability of success, but is still weird), but the game's quite solid and I very much enjoy what I've played (still a relative newb).

[Erik Setzer]

Well, the models weren't that bad, but I did have one of Sorscha's arms falls out, and used super glue to reattach it... so lesson learned.

On a side note, but still Warmachine-related, a friend and I tried out a game using the starter box forces, and even though I'm sure we got one or two things not quite right and didn't use some of the more advanced rules, it was pretty fun. Almost every attack felt like it hit hard, especially with the warjacks, and it was a brutal slugfest that ended with him winning by having Kreoss come after Sorscha and blast her repeatedly with spells, even hitting her with an AOE when he was right beside her (hurt him a bit, but hurt her more). At the end of it, he had Kreoss on his last legs, and one barely functional trashed 'jack that was one hit away from falling apart.

[Aaron LeClair]

Well, the models weren't that bad, but I did have one of Sorscha's arms falls out, and used super glue to reattach it... so lesson learned.

On a side note, but still Warmachine-related, a friend and I tried out a game using the starter box forces, and even though I'm sure we got one or two things not quite right and didn't use some of the more advanced rules, it was pretty fun. Almost every attack felt like it hit hard, especially with the warjacks, and it was a brutal slugfest that ended with him winning by having Kreoss come after Sorscha and blast her repeatedly with spells, even hitting her with an AOE when he was right beside her (hurt him a bit, but hurt her more). At the end of it, he had Kreoss on his last legs, and one barely functional trashed 'jack that was one hit away from falling apart.

In case you didn't know warcasters can spend 1 focus to buy and extra attack, 1 more focus to boost the attack roll, and 1 more to boost damage and yes the game is a ton of fun. I play Menoth and have a small amount of Mercs that will work with Menoth also.

When you get a chance I recommend getting Grand Exemplar Kreoss(his first epic upgrade, also called Keross2), once I got him I never used Keross1 again beside in games vrs new players.

[CoffeeGrunt]

I got the Legion of Everblight starter set and wasn't very impressed with it. I've probably been a bit spoiled by GW and Warlord Games, but the lack of spare parts was a little disappointing, though looking at PP's other kits, that's just how they roll. The parts were simply sealed in small bags, but for some reason they were randomly mixed, so one bag would have two Shredder arms, Lilith's torso, and a Carnivean's arm, the other parts scattered between the other bags, which felt a bit lazy. Some players locally had parts missing, but PP replaced them within a couple of weeks.

The material is unpleasant to work with as others have noted, I blunted my knife scraping mould lines and flash so that the Carnivean looked a bit presentable. Even then it took a bit of green stuff to tidy up gaps, especially on the Carnivean's limbs, and the head needed a hefty pin as the contact surface was so badly shaped.

There's not even any real ability to pose the models, which tbh puts PP behind even small startup companies in terms of hobby, IMO. Sure, the minis were nice. I painted them up then sold them on after the game just didn't click with me. They just felt like a couple of steps behind GW, Warlord and, to be honest, most of the likes of Kromlech, Puppetswar, Victoria and Anvil that I've ordered from. Surely the second-biggest and arguably fastest-growing company in the industry could do better?

Also why not include the token pack in the starter boxes? Everyone guys one anyway, as it's the only real way to track Focus and spell effects...

[Erik Setzer]

In case you didn't know warcasters can spend 1 focus to buy and extra attack, 1 more focus to boost the attack roll, and 1 more to boost damage and yes the game is a ton of fun. I play Menoth and have a small amount of Mercs that will work with Menoth also.

Yeah, I actually didn't expect him to come after me and was trying to use my focus to get my last remaining jack to clear the bodies around him and get to me. And then on one boosted damage roll I rolled a 1, 2, 2... not going to do much damage that way. The biggest problem was I couldn't hit him, Kreoss has a pretty solid DEF, and Sorscha's Focus is only 6. I probably should have just charged at him and smacked him with the axe.

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I got the Legion of Everblight starter set and wasn't very impressed with it. I've probably been a bit spoiled by GW and Warlord Games, but the lack of spare parts was a little disappointing, though looking at PP's other kits, that's just how they roll. The parts were simply sealed in small bags, but for some reason they were randomly mixed, so one bag would have two Shredder arms, Lilith's torso, and a Carnivean's arm, the other parts scattered between the other bags, which felt a bit lazy. Some players locally had parts missing, but PP replaced them within a couple of weeks.

The material is unpleasant to work with as others have noted, I blunted my knife scraping mould lines and flash so that the Carnivean looked a bit presentable. Even then it took a bit of green stuff to tidy up gaps, especially on the Carnivean's limbs, and the head needed a hefty pin as the contact surface was so badly shaped.

There's not even any real ability to pose the models, which tbh puts PP behind even small startup companies in terms of hobby, IMO. Sure, the minis were nice. I painted them up then sold them on after the game just didn't click with me. They just felt like a couple of steps behind GW, Warlord and, to be honest, most of the likes of Kromlech, Puppetswar, Victoria and Anvil that I've ordered from. Surely the second-biggest and arguably fastest-growing company in the industry could do better?

Also why not include the token pack in the starter boxes? Everyone guys one anyway, as it's the only real way to track Focus and spell effects...

I get all of these concerns... It's why I like to play a mix of games (and why an indy store is better than a GW store for me, honestly). The Warmachine match felt a lot more fun than the 30K match I had with the same player just before it, and it was mainly because everything we did felt like it had an effect, which was pretty fun. But the models, while I do like the look of a lot of them, aren't as customizable.

On the plus side, for someone like me this means I can take the time I'm not working on modeling those guys and put it to modeling new Orks.

X-Wing and Star Wars Armada are even lowed on the model customization scale... though you can definitely do it (there's a Facebook group dedicated to repaints, but people also show modifications). But I wouldn't count that as a mark against the game.

[Mike X]

Infinity and Dropzone Commander are the two bug names I have yet to try. I have never hard anything bad said about Infinity.

DzC has amazing sculpts, but I've had a bend in the PHR Ares's tailgun. Also, sometimes there's chunks of resin left behind that can seriously damage the details of model during removal if you're not careful. Most of the pieces are on ball-joints, which is cool for posing, but won't hold together without superglue.

[BeardMonk]

I THINK the two person Warmachine starter set contains older (almost first gen) plastic sculpts which, are fairly poor in terms of detail. PP is/has releasing new sculpts for pretty much everything which are at a greater level of detail. And they are slowly moving to multi part kits where they can. However you do still need to do a fair amount of rounding off mould lines etc. it just depends on how much that bothers you.

Most things that has been released in the last 18 months I would say is on a par with the general GW product lines. Its more the aesthetic/style of the world that some people don't like.

[spiralingcadaver]

I've heard horror stories about the cyriss sets.

And if they really wanted multipart kits, they'd have made all the lights universal kits too. It's not like PVC costs much.

I like a ton of the setting's aesthetic (well, minus that guy they love who does a lot of the cartoony warcaster illustrations), it really is just the material that stops me from collecting more.

[Chris J]

I realize I'm a bit tardy in tossing in my two cents, but I'm mystified at the criticism being tossed at PP for the quality of the minis in the starter box. Maybe I lucked out and got the best box they ever produced, but everything in my set has been superb. (OK, OK, the ruler is stupid...) As for the models, one sword was slightly bent, but I have had this with almost every figure from every company I've ever bought over the past 50 years (!!!), regardless of the material used to make it. If what you got is really bad, why not contact PP about it? I'll bet they would be willing to make it right--any decent businessman knows losing customers is a very, very bad thing. At least give them a chance; if they don't respond, THEN sock it to 'em.

Like I said, just my two cents.

Chris Johnson

[HappyDad]

... why not contact PP about it? I'll bet they would be willing to make it right--any decent businessman knows losing customers is a very, very bad thing. At least give them a chance; if they don't respond, THEN sock it to 'em.
Chris Johnson

You make a good point Chris. I had actually wondered about sending it back to the supplier, but since I had opened a few of the bags and they were selling it at a great price, I would of felt bad. It came from a supplier of games and parts - so not an individual just selling it on.

I still have the set. Most days I get the rulebook out and have a little read. I really want to paint the models, play the game and buy more. But the horrible quality still keeps scaring me away ! Lol.

I will try contacting PP, and see what they say.

[Havik110]

As a long time 40k and shorter time fantasy player and Brand new hordes player it is easy to tell the difference between the 2 modeling companies. for years we have heard GW say they are a models company that just happens to print the rules to a game....every warmahordes player tells me how balance and fun warmahordes is and that the game is better than GWs but the models are not as good, a gaming company that happens to make models...

if only we could combine the best of both...a great game with great models...too much to ask for i know...

[CoffeeGrunt]

As a long time 40k and shorter time fantasy player and Brand new hordes player it is easy to tell the difference between the 2 modeling companies. for years we have heard GW say they are a models company that just happens to print the rules to a game....every warmahordes player tells me how balance and fun warmahordes is and that the game is better than GWs but the models are not as good, a gaming company that happens to make models...

if only we could combine the best of both...a great game with great models...too much to ask for i know...

Eh. Each game is trying a different approach. IMO it's apples and oranges to try comparing them, like trying to compare the NFL to the MLG.

[odinsgrandson]

Huh.

I've seen a lot of hatred on any and all PVC plastic minis, but I've honestly been so burned on polystyrene kits that I find having a totally different set of problems to be quite refreshing.

Every medium for miniatures has it's upsides and downsides, but people can sometimes get really insistent on overlooking the problems with their favorites.

- Metal
+ Good detail
- Prices of metal vary with the market, and often require companies to compensate
- Metal minis chip more easily than other media

- Resin
+ if Hand Poured, can easily offer the best detail in miniatures
- hand pouring is expensive
- miscasts are more common than with other media, and without strong quality control, can get out of hand (hence the hate on Finecast).
- minis are more fragile than other media.

-Polystyrene and ABT plastic
+ creates sharp edges easily
+ very limited warping
- difficult to create an organic look- it is best employed with armor and inorganic opbjects (compare GW's wolves to PP's)
- loss of detail toward the mold lines is extreme and all sculpts must account for that (hence scout hair).
- These flaws often make it easy to tell the difference between a metal/resin and polystyrene mini

- PVC plastic -
+ gives you a similar mold line options as metal
+ can be cast in fewer parts without loss of detail on mold lines (take a look at the metal warpwolf)
+ finished mini can look the same as a metal/resin mini (although details are sharper on resin)
- can warp more easily than other media- especially long thin areas (the parts can be bent back into shape fairly easily with boiling water).
- While miscasts are fairly rare, mold lines can sometimes be a little over the top (this depends on the box, I'd say it's about one in five or six that has crazy mold lines).


I spent a lot of time seeing the problems with GW's polystyrene, so I was super excited to see plastic minis that didn't have flatness near the mold lines (they could have texture to them). But by this point, I've come to accept that each medium has it's flaws.

By the way- comparing the materials is far from the only way to compare the minis. As a sculptor, I feel I can appreciate that PP clearly makes their sculptors take longer to produce more tiny details on their minis than GW does.

[CoffeeGrunt]

It's just a shame that when it comes to assembly, they just don't go together well. I don't mean in terms of the material, I mean in terms of gaps which make them seem amateurish. The Rhinodon stands out in my memory because of this. I saw a friend assemble a metal one only to realise it had a long gap down its back between the spines. When you're finishing the sculpt off with milliput because it's that shoddy it's not really acceptable, and when small upstarts are doing it better, it makes PP look pretty bad.

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm... I'd have to see it to know how bad it was, but that sounds like a problem that sometimes happened with metal models, where a piece or two wouldn't cast quite right and it threw the whole thing off. I remember having to use green stuff to fill all the gaps on my dad's Steam Tank when I put it together because it had that issue. I've had it with a few GW monsters... recently assembled an Eltharion I had lying around from sometime long ago, poor thing needed quite a bit of TLC. And you often can't figure out where the problem with the fit is in order to try to fix it.

I haven't done as many PP models as other people, and mostly limited to infantry and warjacks, but so far my only serious gripe (other than a lack of instructions in the starter box) is the way the jack arms connect sometimes, with the ball mount that you glue the arm to. I know it allows more range of posing, but every time I run into something like that, it's a pain to work with, as you have to hold the piece you're gluing in place as it dries, hoping you aren't shifting it around too much.

[odinsgrandson]

Yeah, it sounds like you're saying that needing to gap-fill a metal miniature in an organic shape is unacceptable- and that seems odd to me. I've just worked with loads of minis, and gap filling is needed on so many metal and resin kits that it just seems odd to complain about it. The problem gets worse as the molds get older, and when the minis are hollow (due to rising prices of tin) they also become a little more difficult to gap fill.

But I don't see how that's different from any other manufacturer who makes large-ish minis from metal in organic shape.


The only times that I think it is stupid to have to gap fill is when you're working with Polystyrene or ABT plastic- in those cases, gap filling comes about due to poor design (hard plastic doesn't slip).

[CoffeeGrunt]

The problem was the size of the gap, it was a gash down the length of the model's back. I dunno if it's because I'm a new modeller and thus never really worked with the shoddier old models back in the day, but I buy a lot from small companies, and their quality control is much better than PP's I've found. PP models have become a bit of a joke locally. The game's good, the minis...yeah.

[Erik Setzer]

The problem was the size of the gap, it was a gash down the length of the model's back. I dunno if it's because I'm a new modeller and thus never really worked with the shoddier old models back in the day, but I buy a lot from small companies, and their quality control is much better than PP's I've found. PP models have become a bit of a joke locally. The game's good, the minis...yeah.

I think it's one of the reasons people avoid metal these days, aside from cost to produce and weight. It holds detail well, but on larger models you can get some weird castings.

You know the wedge on the front of a Steam Tank? Imagine that having a pretty noticeable gap. And the floor not lining up either.

Do any smaller companies still make metal models?

[odinsgrandson]

Gaps are a material thing that happens with both metal and resin kits. Honestly, the worst gaps I've worked with were on Forge World pieces.



Do any smaller companies still make metal models?

Yes, definitely. The cost for making plastic molds is still very expensive, so small companies choose between resin and metal- and a lot still choose metal. Off the top of my head, we have Coolminiornot (mostly for Dark Age), Reaper, Dark Sword, Iron Wind Metals, Bombshell, Impact! Miniatures, Red Box Games, Enigma and Valiant.

A couple of these are moving their minis to other mediums (like Reaper's Bones, Impact's Trollforge). And most are moving their larger kits to resin or a resin and metal mix (the kind that Privateer Press use).

I don't know if you've seen any of PP's newer mix media kits, but they come in very few pieces, and the largest ones are resin. This cuts way down on their potential for gaps, because they no longer have two massive parts that need to go together, and they are not hollow.


One more note on companies besides GW. Most are not concerning themselves with appealing to completely new hobbyists (Reaper and Mantic seem to be the exceptions to this rule).

But few care much about making their kits easy for people who are new to modelling (Wyrd, we're looking at you) so they require more expertise than the average GW kit. But they do concern themselves very strongly with the finished product (yeah Wyrd does well here too).

Of course, if you're playing at a skirmish level, spending a little more time assembling a mini doesn't add up like it would for a Skaven army.

[CoffeeGrunt]

I'm fine with Wyrd's models, because I don't have to finish the sculpting job for them before I can play them.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm fine with Wyrd's models, because I don't have to finish the sculpting job for them before I can play them.

Yeah, but holy smokes, they sometimes come in a lot of parts... I've only gotten one box so far, and the figures are amazing, but putting them together was a heck of an experience, not to mention cleaning the mold lines off small bits. Thankfully, not many to do in a force, and, as noted, they look amazing.

[HappyDad]

I thought I would update this thread with my latest news, ...

So I finally got around to trying to do something with the models from the starter set. First step was to try and straighten out the warped parts, as if I could not, then the whole thing was a waste of time.

I poured some boiling water into a mug, dipped a bent axe into the water and watched it straighten out before my eyes. Out of the water and within a few seconds it was hard again and seems to of suffered no ill effects. Suffice to say, that within about 5 mins I had sorted out most of the bent parts.

If I had known it was going to be so easy, I would of done it weeks ago!

So although the mold lines are still bit of a hassle to clean up, I am now quite happy with my Warmachine models and looking forward to painting them (and then buying some more - well, if I like playing the game anyway!).

[RexInvictus]

I had (some of) the same issues. Was very disappointed in the mold lines, seemed like it came off the back end of a run. Not really the product you want to be facing newcomers to your line with.

Cleaned it up and it went together alright, though.