Scratch built VS Modles as intended

[Dooley]

I am just curious as to how people feel about self built models. For example: A buddy of mine made some pretty cool Leman Russ Conversions. He used multiple GW box sets and some plasticard to make tanks and chimeras that looked like M1 tanks and Strykers (he WAS a cav officer). The problem was he re-modeled the guns to go onto the turrets (he diddnt like the hull mounted and sponson guns the GW models had). I thought it looked cool and was happy to let him use the models. However, I mentioned this to one of my friends later on and he argued that that wasnt cool at all. "It totaly takes away from the point of the model"

His argument was that the hull mounted and sponson weapons were ment to be just that, hull Mounted and sponsond. The model was designed a certain way for a reason. Giving the Russ and the Chimera full 360 of all its weapons wasnt how the model was intended to be played and thus wasnt "LEGAL". Although he used mostly GW parts and they are relatively the same size I thought it was an interesting point.

This could also come up with other models that people may have built before a kit came out or were just being inventive. ( I had a buddy make Dark Eldar Raiders out of old Ork truks, they were tiny and easy to hide behind hills)

What do you guys (and girls) think about this interesting situation.

[DarkLink]

Don't expect it to be allowed at tournaments, at least if the models don't match the rules like in your example. Otherwise, so long as the scratch build is "close enough", no one should have a problem with it. Except maybe GW, for not buying their products.

[Tynskel]

Here's a way to fix this.

One could 'centerline' the turret. Then all the 'Hull/Sponson' weapons fire at their normal angles. Then one can turn the turret to fire the 'turret mounted' weapon.

As long as the Weapons always fired the same way, this should work fine. Sounds weird, but you still get a cool model that functions in the game.

[BuFFo]

Don't expect it to be allowed at tournaments

Take into consideration that most hobbyists couldn't care less about tournament play... :confused:


Except maybe GW, for not buying their products.

Read the second sentence of the OP.

The converter's tanks seem to have more GW bits in them than normal vehicles lol. :p

[Rapture]

Take into consideration that most hobbyists couldn't care less about tournament play... :confused:



Thanks for the valuable input.

As long as the vehicles in question use the regular position of the guns in order to fire then there shouldn't be a problem. However, modeling them differently to get an advantage in game play is basically cheating.

[DarkLink]

Take into consideration that most hobbyists couldn't care less about tournament play... :confused:


Right. So he should never have a problem using them.

[BuFFo]

Right. So he should never have a problem using them.

Unless he uses them in a tourney....

:p :p :p

[ColCorbane]

Well, as long as it has the same footprint as a russ and he said 'the guns are modelled to be more realistic but in the game, they have the standard fire arcs', I can't see a problem with it.

It's only when people convert models for an advantage that I start getting issues.

[Grubbslinger]

I built a scratch model from an assiasin for my Guardsmen Mardo. I was always under the impression that as long as the model fit into the general rule scheme then it would be good to go in tournment play. Now, I have been told by people who play around my area that I guy used some type of ork vehicle (dont remember what excatly) as an ork truk though the vehicle was smaller then a normal ork truck. I fought this guy in a tournment and was only told afterwords that he did this. So I suppose my point is that if who ever runs the tournment says its ok to use then it shouldnt be a problem (though in my example it was really lame as the guy was using the different model to gain an advantage).

[Fellend]

erm. personally I can say that as long as you warn me i'm fine with it. But turret mounts, just assume that hey are fixed and they fire like they were and it should be okay.

[The Madman]

i had a problem with my bipedel defilers they had the battle cannons mounted where the original head would be but the thing was 9" in height so it could see more then normal. played on game with them and my friend complained so i now draw line of sight from the crotch which is when the standard defiler's gun matches up and i got no problems people picking them off because of their addtional height. from my experiance if the vehicle gains no addtional bonuses from the remodel then its fine by me. tournies i never bother with so its not an issue for me.

[Jwolf]

I would absolutely allow these conversions at BoLSCon, assuming they were of tabletop quality. I would restrict the arcs of fire on the sponson weapons to that available to the "proper" model. As long as the player could handle that, we'd be fine. And yes, a judge would have to have a brief discussion with his opponents at the start of the rounds; that's why we have judges, you know? To smooth out the rough spots and make the games fun to play.

[Chaosgerbil]

Grubb was it one of the old Gorkamorka trukks? Depending on who you ask it could technically be a viable legal model since it was the official GW trukk for a long long time. Small trukks can have disadvantages too depending on the situation.