Where are the 30K touneys

[Renegade]

Where are the BoLS mentions of 30K tourneys?

Most reviews I have read have 30K as more balanced and having a tighter rule set, so why hasn't the tourney scene ran with 30K instead of bemoaning balance in 40K?

Thoughts?

[Charon]

Yey Space Marines vs Space Marines.... so interesting... not like 40k already has too much Space Marines

[Path Walker]

Each legion works pretty differently, while the core is "space marines" there is a lot more to it, mechanicum, Solar Auxillia and Knight Households so far all have their own army lists and each legion has several different ways of emphsising how they fight ruleswise.

If you want a more balanced game, you need to expect fewer options

[DarkLink]

Not many people actually play 30k. There was a 30k event at the lvo, though.

[Dalleron]

As mentioned above, I don't think there are enough people out there with 30k armies to warrant a tournie.

I don't know how exciting a tournament would be with all space marines facing off. And since you don't have unique armies for all the chapters yet, I think the mix would be even less at a tournament.

[ShadowcatX]

Yey Space Marines vs Space Marines.... so interesting... not like 40k already has too much Space Marines

Pretty much this. Might as well just see which mon-keigh can belch "For the Emperor" the loudest.

[DrBored]

Yey Space Marines vs Space Marines.... so interesting... not like 40k already has too much Space Marines

When it comes to cheese and competitive players, I don't think many competitive players would really care. So many of them change their army, bandwagon, and jump to different metas so frequently anyway. I'm sure it being Space Marines vs Space Marines would actually save many tourney players a lot of money.

[Popsical]

I'd be up for a 30k tournie, the whole idea and everything appeals to me far more.
I feel that they would have to be 2 day events of 2 battles a day tho, as the points would have to be higher to allow legion sized squads to be included. Sticking to the selections of FoC's that are in the books would be better also, rather than 1 hq 2 trp 1 LoW spam again and again etc.
Possibly not the multiple LoW org tho lol

[Mr.Pickelz]

Something that may attract more people is advertising them to bring their 40k marines into a 30k game. Not very many people have a full army of the FW armour sets, and probably do to price(the books are pricey too), won't invest heavily into it. This may bring the ire of people who bought and invested in FW mini's however, so that is something to consider.

If Forgeworld were more accessible as in LGS's can stock them, the price comes down on the Mini's/Rulebooks, and Forgeworld can finish making all the legions(rules and models), then a 30k tourney could compete with 40k.

[Renegade]

As mentioned above, I don't think there are enough people out there with 30k armies to warrant a tournie.

I don't know how exciting a tournament would be with all space marines facing off. And since you don't have unique armies for all the chapters yet, I think the mix would be even less at a tournament.

Does that really matter?

FW HH rules are considered by many to be better written and more balanced, so should be much better for competitive play, and don't forget that GW proper is soon to be getting in on it as well so a few token xeno may find a way in.

Tourneys players say they want a better rule set, they have one in 30K, so they can stop complaining now and collect a new army.

[Popsical]

Something that may attract more people is advertising them to bring their 40k marines into a 30k game. Not very many people have a full army of the FW armour sets, and probably do to price(the books are pricey too), won't invest heavily into it. This may bring the ire of people who bought and invested in FW mini's however, so that is something to consider.

If Forgeworld were more accessible as in LGS's can stock them, the price comes down on the Mini's/Rulebooks, and Forgeworld can finish making all the legions(rules and models), then a 30k tourney could compete with 40k.

I certainly don't want 30k to compete with 40k in any respect, i'd prefer it to be a smaller tournament scene with a more fluffy less WAAC theme. 40k should be there to keep its base of players, and leave 30k to the hobby nuts who buy their armies to fit the story of the HH FW books.

[Charon]

I certainly don't want 30k to compete with 40k in any respect, i'd prefer it to be a smaller tournament scene with a more fluffy less WAAC theme. 40k should be there to keep its base of players, and leave 30k to the hobby nuts who buy their armies to fit the story of the HH FW books.

Why don't you organize one yourself then?

[Popsical]

I live in Mid sussex, it is the black hole of wargaming, always has been.
Few stores, fewer clubs. Strange because its such an afluent region of blighty, but there it is.
The tournament scenes tend to be in the west country and midlands with a smattering in london.
Tournament organising is far more viable in those areas and living near to an event you organise is more practical.
Id love my region to be more filled with wargamers.
Brighton couldnt sustain a medium sized store because of lack of attendance and it is the biggest city by far in the area.

[Houghten]

Presumably they're all off playing polo and other such rich-people games. What need have they for Knights of the Realm when they have their own horses?

[Charon]

I live in Mid sussex, it is the black hole of wargaming, always has been.
Few stores, fewer clubs. Strange because its such an afluent region of blighty, but there it is.
The tournament scenes tend to be in the west country and midlands with a smattering in london.
Tournament organising is far more viable in those areas and living near to an event you organise is more practical.
Id love my region to be more filled with wargamers.
Brighton couldnt sustain a medium sized store because of lack of attendance and it is the biggest city by far in the area.

Then why worry about the tournament scene at all?

[Charistoph]

Does that really matter?

FW HH rules are considered by many to be better written and more balanced, so should be much better for competitive play, and don't forget that GW proper is soon to be getting in on it as well so a few token xeno may find a way in.

Tourneys players say they want a better rule set, they have one in 30K, so they can stop complaining now and collect a new army.

??? I don't think so. They still operate under the general 40K rules. The army lists may be more balanced against each other, but then so is taking Codex: Space Marines versus Codex: Space Marines.

Might as well call it the Feast of Blades* and be done with it.

* Not referring to the actual Feast of Blades tournament event, but rather the Imperial Fist get together to see who is the best duelist, and it's all Marine, all the time.

[Popsical]

Then why worry about the tournament scene at all?

Because id travel to play, not to organize. Id organize if there were a group in my local of any size, but there isnt.

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Presumably they're all off playing polo and other such rich-people games. What need have they for Knights of the Realm when they have their own horses?

Probably lol. Jolly bloody hockey sticks to the lot of em!

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??? I don't think so. They still operate under the general 40K rules. The army lists may be more balanced against each other, but then so is taking Codex: Space Marines versus Codex: Space Marines.

Might as well call it the Feast of Blades* and be done with it.

* Not referring to the actual Feast of Blades tournament event, but rather the Imperial Fist get together to see who is the best duelist, and it's all Marine, all the time.

There is far more variety in the HH FW books than codpiece space maureens, also all the 30k players ive spoken with are all about the story not like a lot of 40k players so it becomes a narrative game. Thus for us it isnt as boring as SM v SM 40k games.

[Charon]

Thus for us it isnt as boring as SM v SM 40k games.

Thats fine for the 3 of you :)

[Orkimedes1000]

if there were 30k in plastic i could support this idea, also if there were any gamers where i live then i'd also be more likely to support the idea, since i have neither of those conditions met (nor likely will. ever) i'd have to say what i voted: and that is a straight up Nawww. beside 40k is still a better game from a model makers perspective, *converting/kitbashing*

[Popsical]

beside 40k is still a better game from a model makers perspective, *converting/kitbashing*

That's an entirely inaccurate statement. 30k is just as varied in the kitbashing and converting front as 40k. Anyone can convert or kitbash what they please with any range of models they like. People are probably more likely to do these things if the official models are more expensive, as it saves cash. FW jetbikes anyone? Or make your own from 40k bike kits? Ive seen this alot.

[Charistoph]

There is far more variety in the HH FW books than codpiece space maureens, also all the 30k players ive spoken with are all about the story not like a lot of 40k players so it becomes a narrative game. Thus for us it isnt as boring as SM v SM 40k games.

There are the Legion Marines and the Adeptus Mechanicus. The Legion Marines all have Chapter Tactics, a few Unique Characters, and Legion-specific units and weapons (for those in the books, anyway), a lot like the Space Marines of 40K. The only real difference is who is playing them, and that doesn't really change it from being Marine-on-Marine action. Either of which is a good reason not to have a pure HH tournament.

On one hand, if you have narrative gamers more in HH, they are not as tournament hungry in this realm of the game.

On the similar side, if you have a pure HH tournament, all you have is Legions and AM, no Xenos, which drops your army count by a significant degree. Even if you allow the Xenos that were around in HH, that's just Orks and Eldar. Necrons a maybe. And Sisters would be out as much as Tau or Tyranids.

Should HH armies be allowed in tournaments? I think so, but the HH scene just isn't ready to be taken on their own as an independent game.

[Renegade]

There are the Legion Marines and the Adeptus Mechanicus. The Legion Marines all have Chapter Tactics, a few Unique Characters, and Legion-specific units and weapons (for those in the books, anyway), a lot like the Space Marines of 40K. The only real difference is who is playing them, and that doesn't really change it from being Marine-on-Marine action. Either of which is a good reason not to have a pure HH tournament.

On one hand, if you have narrative gamers more in HH, they are not as tournament hungry in this realm of the game.

On the similar side, if you have a pure HH tournament, all you have is Legions and AM, no Xenos, which drops your army count by a significant degree. Even if you allow the Xenos that were around in HH, that's just Orks and Eldar. Necrons a maybe. And Sisters would be out as much as Tau or Tyranids.

Should HH armies be allowed in tournaments? I think so, but the HH scene just isn't ready to be taken on their own as an independent game.

The armies are more balanced to each other, it fits the competitive scene far better than 40K.

Goat Boy could go nuts spamming units and it would be perfectly fine, even fluffy.

40K probably has more hobbyists than 30K overall, and 30K would be a great place to shunt tourney players that are left from 40K.