Models That Turn You Off A Good Unit

[Dark_Templar]

Hi All,
I am curious as to who else is keen on certain units, but are put off by the model.

Personally, my big one would be the SM Whirlwind. Just sticking some missiles on the top of a Rhino just doesn't quite cut it in my book. The Predator and Vindicator are different enough to pass in my book, and look quite good, but the Whirlwind is just really jarring and could have been so much more.

My converting skills are pretty average, so I would not have the guts to fork out for the model and then possibly destroy it in the process of turning it into what I imagine it should be.


Anywho, anybody else in a similar boat, or am I just being a nob?

[Aenir]

well the Ares pattern is a bit off, Granted, that is a custom built model, so its not so important.

I have never been a fan of Sammael on his jetbike either I thought the model is just butt ugly

[Bean]

Obliterators. That's why I made my own.

[RocketRollRebel]

Lukus the Trickster is pretty horrific both rules and model wise. I dont play SW tho so idk if that counts.

The Phoenix Lords are outdated but I dont know if I'd say bad. They have a kinda quaint charm in my opinion.

Most of the Dark Eldar minis are pretty bad too. Incubi are pretty sweet still tho. I dunno in 40k there aren't many models that I find totally appalling.

[Dark_Templar]

I don't play DA, but I have to agree on that one. Aside from the fact that his cloak would probably burn up everytime he accelerated and the pages of his book would tear out.

Anywho, I hate the fact that I might end up having to go Whirlwind despite this.

Edit: Ya, Lukas is nasty, and it his whole grenade heart thing is stupid to me.
Dark Eldar models definitely do not take my fancy at all.

[Lerra]

Fiends of Slaanesh! Imo one of the ugliest models in the game, but the rules are pretty solid.

Not quite as bad, but still quite fugly: Plaguebearers, Lord of Change, Beasts of Nurgle

[RocketRollRebel]

Fiends of Slaanesh! Imo one of the ugliest models in the game, but the rules are pretty solid.

Not quite as bad, but still quite fugly: Plaguebearers, Lord of Change, Beasts of Nurgle

Fiends of Slaanesh are fugly. They just make me feel uncomfortable when I look at them. Which is what I guess they are supposed to do :p

[therealjohnny5]

legion of the damned....bone armored space marines=cheese

[TheBitzBarn]

Plaguebearers are Prefect.

The Fiend is Stupid and looks like a 12y.o made it as does the Beast of Nurgle Bad Snail Bad Snail.

Legion of the Damned are you serious the Bones bother you and Not the Flames?

[eagleboy7259]

Fiends of Slaanesh! Imo one of the ugliest models in the game, but the rules are pretty solid.

Not quite as bad, but still quite fugly: Plaguebearers, Lord of Change, Beasts of Nurgle

Seconded! Not to mention the plastic demonettes, and some people even have a problem with khrone demons because they look "buck toothed", furies, the Lord of Change, etc.

[BDub]

Obliterators. That's why I made my own.

Absolutely. I have hated those things for so long I refuse to use them on principle.

[HiveFleetTiamat]

I actually hate that the Tyranids have three good units that there are no models for yet that brought out a pyrovore model that looks great but is worthless.

[BDub]

Fiends of Slaanesh are fugly. They just make me feel uncomfortable when I look at them. Which is what I guess they are supposed to do :p

I agree. They make me want to design a completely different model for these. I just think those models are short on the Slaanesh and waaay short on the fiend. Something slinky and panther-like with six limbs and maybe wth a disturbingly whip-like tongue.

[DarkLink]

In a subversion of the OP, I started Grey Knights because of the models initially. Best looking Terminators and Power Armored Marines in the game, particularly the Terminators. Unfortunately, the codex doesn't live up.

Though, in a void, GK Terminators are still a fantastic unit. There aren't many better ways of spamming Str 6 power weapon attacks at I 4. They just die to shooting and I5+ monsters like Hive Tyrants and Daemon Princes.

Grey Knights in power armor are overpriced, though. They compare pretty unfavorably to, say, Plague Marines and Berzerkers in terms of effectiveness and cost. I'd put them at about 22, maybe 21 pts per model, rather than 25.

[Mike X]

Personally, my big one would be the SM Whirlwind. Just sticking some missiles on the top of a Rhino just doesn't quite cut it in my book. The Predator and Vindicator are different enough to pass in my book, and look quite good, but the Whirlwind is just really jarring and could have been so much more.

Wow, really? I fell in love with the Whirlwind the moment I saw it. It's one of my favorite models in the Space Marine armory.

My least favorite would have to be the entire Dark Eldar range, but since it's unfair to pick on such ancient models, I guess I'll have to say any of the new Chaos Daemons units.

The Soul Grinder, for example, is such a blatant conversion of a Defiler that it wreaks of unoriginality and poor concept.

[Duke]

Mine is corbulo... That model just makes me cringe!

That said, i agree the fiends if slannesh are hideous

[Dark_Templar]

Wow, really? I fell in love with the Whirlwind the moment I saw it. It's one of my favorite models in the Space Marine armory.

My least favorite would have to be the entire Dark Eldar range, but since it's unfair to pick on such ancient models, I guess I'll have to say any of the new Chaos Daemons units.

The Soul Grinder, for example, is such a blatant conversion of a Defiler that it wreaks of unoriginality and poor concept.

Well I can understand why a Vindicator has no room left inside for troops, but with the current design, I would expect either the rhino chassis to be outwardly modified, or for the Whirlwind to have some troop capacity (I am sure there must be some use for it, in-game).

The Soul Grinder people would argue has the same chaos origins as the Defiler, and there is okay to look the same. Personally, I fall into the group of people who say it is lazy design (along with using the same models for Chaos Daemons / Daemons of Chaos).

DT.

P.S. Ya, the old "I will smack you with my goblet" thing doesn't really seem too intimidating.

[Mike X]

Well I can understand why a Vindicator has no room left inside for troops, but with the current design, I would expect either the rhino chassis to be outwardly modified, or for the Whirlwind to have some troop capacity (I am sure there must be some use for it, in-game).

Well, a few things about that...

1. The Whirlwind wouldn't make a good transport, since the missile launcher can't fire in the same turn it moved. As a primarily stationary vehicle, what's the point of housing troops?

2. Considering it's armed with an ordnance weapon, I imagine the inside of a Whirlwind to be packed with targeting computers and the like, which would leave little room for infantry.

3. It has really weak armor (11/11/10), so transporting troops around the battlefield would leave it vulnerable to enemy fire too easily and too often.

[Cryl]

I'll join the daemons are ugly brigade. Except that I don't mind most of the lessers, just the really really ugly greater daemons, Bloodthirster and KoS are just horrible, the GUO and LoC aren't as bad but are still in dire need of new sculpts before they're useable in an army.

Another great unit that's ruined by the model is Ragnar, really old static horrible sculpt for what is a pretty good unit used in the right wolf list.

[Necrosis]

Dark Eldar Wyches.

[mad_larkin]

The Chaplain Lemartes model. I can't find a pic but I thought it sucked.

[fuzzbuket]

although someone made him look good http://www.coolminiornot.com/86881

he looks like so: (beware bad photoshoppiong!)

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/fuzzbuket/dizcolermates.jpg

also most of the DE range Vulkan, Whirlwind (cant it look like the IF one in HHCV ) and the =stormtroopers\!

[pgarfunkle]

I'd have to give my vote to Lemartes too, which sucks if you want a jump pack chaplain in your BA army at the moment because for the points you would be daft to take a regular one. Here's hoping for a new model come April

[RocketRollRebel]

although someone made him look good http://www.coolminiornot.com/86881

he looks like so: (beware bad photoshoppiong!)

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt339/fuzzbuket/dizcolermates.jpg

also most of the DE range Vulkan, Whirlwind (cant it look like the IF one in HHCV ) and the =stormtroopers\!

Thank you for that. The world is a better place now.:)

[Dark_Templar]

Well, a few things about that...

1. The Whirlwind wouldn't make a good transport, since the missile launcher can't fire in the same turn it moved. As a primarily stationary vehicle, what's the point of housing troops?

2. Considering it's armed with an ordnance weapon, I imagine the inside of a Whirlwind to be packed with targeting computers and the like, which would leave little room for infantry.

3. It has really weak armor (11/11/10), so transporting troops around the battlefield would leave it vulnerable to enemy fire too easily and too often.

Definitely good points, but I still stand by my statement that using a Rhino and gluing a few missiles on top should not constitute a new model. I would not have as much of a problem if the Whirlwind was an additional sprue in the rhino box, but as a model you are expected to purchase on its own, I expect it to be more unique. (Despite all of this, I probably will end up purchasing one as I think it could be handy. Who knows, by then I might be confident enough to modify the model a bit).

I am also putting a vote in for Lemartes and Cassius.

[Lord Anubis]

Definitely good points, but I still stand by my statement that using a Rhino and gluing a few missiles on top should not constitute a new model.

Yeah, but isn't that the whole point of it? It's another vehicle designed off the STC hull, just like the Razorback, the Predator, the Vindicator, the Immolator, the Exorcist, the...

You're supposed to be able to see that it's a modified Rhino. So making it look different doesn't really fit the fluff or make financial sense, from the GW point of view. And we know they're all about the financial point of view... ;)

I was so disappointed with the Boss Snikrot model. The picture in the book makes him seem like some truly terrifying, Orky version of an assassin. The model makes him look like Dan Ackroyd in Ghostbusters...

[Dark_Templar]

Yeah, but isn't that the whole point of it? It's another vehicle designed off the STC hull, just like the Razorback, the Predator, the Vindicator, the Immolator, the Exorcist, the...

You're supposed to be able to see that it's a modified Rhino. So making it look different doesn't really fit the fluff or make financial sense, from the GW point of view. And we know they're all about the financial point of view... ;)

I was so disappointed with the Boss Snikrot model. The picture in the book makes him seem like some truly terrifying, Orky version of an assassin. The model makes him look like Dan Ackroyd in Ghostbusters...

Ya, I know it is just the Imperium using the same STC (and GW making massive profits), I just feel that that is a scapegoat for GW being lazy with the design. Anyways, perhaps I need to deck out the interior with targeting computers manned by Marines, just to make myself feel better.

Anyways, I see I am in the minority on this one, so I think I will drop the WW argument :p

I think if Snikrot is painted right he can look pretty sinister, but if he is painting like a cartoon character, then he definitely looks it, hands down.

[RocketRollRebel]

Snikrot is awesome. I kinda like the ridiculous cartoonyness of the Orks. Same with Baddruk. An Ork with a friggin pirate hat! Win

[Aenir]

Orkwise Ive never really cared for the Kans and Dreads (Metal)

they were fiddly and always looked rather non-orkish

[Subject Keyword]

Hmmm...
I'd have to go with "Canis Wolfborn" or whatever his name is.
He got the coolest background of anything in the Imperium, so I thought I'd fall in love. When pictures of the new models were released I was like
"Oh! Cool. Oh, that one's cool too! All these models look great. Ah, sh*t! What the hell is that? Is that viking riding a giant cat? He looks like such a douche!"

Seriously? Coolest thing in the army and the model looks like a space marine propped up on one of those resin cat statues your grandma gets from Pier One. The cybernetic implants look haphazardly slapped on too. Yeek.

[Dark_Templar]

Hmmm...
I'd have to go with "Canis Wolfborn" or whatever his name is.
He got the coolest background of anything in the Imperium, so I thought I'd fall in love. When pictures of the new models were released I was like
"Oh! Cool. Oh, that one's cool too! All these models look great. Ah, sh*t! What the hell is that? Is that viking riding a giant cat? He looks like such a douche!"

Seriously? Coolest thing in the army and the model looks like a space marine propped up on one of those resin cat statues your grandma gets from Pier One. The cybernetic implants look haphazardly slapped on too. Yeek.

I think we have a winner. Definitely dislike this model. If you cannot produce a good looking wolf model, then do not release one at all. It is ugly as all hell, and the cybernetic crap is completely unnecessary. They would have been better off making it a full on robotic wolf, ala Crying Wolf (MGS4).

[eagleboy7259]

also most of the DE range VULKAN, Whirlwind (cant it look like the IF one in HHCV ) and the =stormtroopers\!

absolutely I have to agree with that. Demons might be ugly but they have this weird charm to them, DE are almost never seen, and most space marine sculpts are atleast passable but vulkan is soo dang ugly and hes seen sooo dang much...

[AirHorse]

The ogryn models annoy me an awful lot, it would be nice if their faces werent giant versions of mr bean.

I totaly agree on vulkan, I love the bit of art work in the codex but the model is a total let down :(

[Dark_Templar]

The ogryn models annoy me an awful lot, it would be nice if their faces werent giant versions of mr bean.

I totaly agree on vulkan, I love the bit of art work in the codex but the model is a total let down :(

There are definitely conversions and scratch builds out there that better represent him.

[mysterex]

The current metal plague marines are awful and not in a good way. I bought a set and then almost immediately on-sold them when I got a good look at the pieces. There was only one torso sculpt I actually liked.

In fact if I remember right the parts didn't even seem to fit together that well either.

Thank goodness forge world seems to know what they are doing.

[Melissia]

Strangely enough... the Exorcist. I use the FW conversion and spare Whirlwind parts bought off of friends for mine.

Honestly I wouldn't even be bothered by the pipe organ design if it actually made some damn SENSE. The Exorcist is a direct fire weapon, it can ONLY direct fire, so it makse no sense to haev the missiles fire upward and then arc down...

[Hairy Piggy]

I'd definitely say obliterators. I really hate the models but wanted one or two for an IW army so i converted a terminator.

[Sir Biscuit]

Strangely enough... the Exorcist. I use the FW conversion and spare Whirlwind parts bought off of friends for mine.

Honestly I wouldn't even be bothered by the pipe organ design if it actually made some damn SENSE. The Exorcist is a direct fire weapon, it can ONLY direct fire, so it makse no sense to haev the missiles fire upward and then arc down...

I laughed the first time I saw the exorcist in Dawn of War. I don't think they could figure out how to animate it to work, so they just made it an artillery piece instead. :rolleyes:

[Melissia]

Yeah, it's really that poorly designed for what it does. Honestly I wouldn't mind having an arty variation of it though...

[Nabterayl]

Seriously. I hope the next codex to feature the Exorcist just gives it a no-line-of-sight-that-hits-side-armor weapon and has done with it.

[david5th]

Reason i did not start a Black Templars army -High Marshal Helbrecht figure.

[Dark_Templar]

I have currently shelved my BT. I started them thinking I might be able to work out a way of making Helbrecht look a little better, but have not yet worked it out.

[Renegade]

Helbrecht is fugly , but Grimaldus has to be the best looking Chaplain so far produced.

And playing BT you dant have to worry about the boring Whirlwind, they dont get them.

Tau, none of the Tau stuff looks that great.

[Valkerie]

Strangely enough... the Exorcist. I use the FW conversion and spare Whirlwind parts bought off of friends for mine.

Honestly I wouldn't even be bothered by the pipe organ design if it actually made some damn SENSE. The Exorcist is a direct fire weapon, it can ONLY direct fire, so it makse no sense to haev the missiles fire upward and then arc down...

I agree on you with this one. I made my first Exorcists back when the SoB's were only Chapter Approved. I used some Tamiya German Type 41 Heavy Rocket Launchers, glued them together and mounted them on top of some Rhinos. When I saw the FW Exorcists, I thought they looked pretty good, but already had three of my own. Then, when the official pipe organ Exorcist came out, I was glad I already had mine built. I just couldn't seem to get my head around the thought of the SoB crew going into battle playing "Inna Gadda da Vida".

Don't get me wrong, I love the song, it just doesn't seem appropriate for the Sisters of Battle.

[Dark_Templar]

Helbrecht is fugly , but Grimaldus has to be the best looking Chaplain so far produced.

And playing BT you dant have to worry about the boring Whirlwind, they dont get them.
.

Ya, Grimaldus is an awesome model, one which I would try and convert to another chapter if I had the skills.

Whirlwind however I was looking at for my Crimson Fists.

Tau vehicles I don't mind, but their battlesuits are just pathetic.