End Times 5 Rumor Roundup

[Bigred]

via Captain Citadel (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?51828-Chaos-Rumor-Roundup&p=472530&viewfull=1#post472530) 1-19-2015
Plastic Bloodthirster Details

The Plastic Bloodthirster is real.

Kit makes three models a normal bloodthirster with whip and Axe of Khorne, one wielding a monstrous two-handed axe, third has a doubleheaded axe and super long chain flail. The wings are really big - the model is almost as big as Nagash, and is extra tall. It is sculpted on top of a flickering flame. There are three different heads with different types of horns and helmets. Large armoured hooves, thigh straps, regular upper body strapps and gladiator kindof armour. Super muscular, like a super ripped world's strongest man mixed with a Khorne daemon.



via Captain Citadel (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20906-Archaon-New-Book-Spoilers) 1-20-2015

End Times Archeon Details

Archaon is indeed book five of the End Times, and will be new models coming too.

It will be released sometime in March. Book one has an artist's rendering of Archaon weilding the Kingslayer on the cover and Book two's cover is a very nice picture of the current model of Archaon.

The book concentrates on the forces of Khorne, however Orcs and Goblins finally make their appearance in End Times and Grimgor is featured heavily in this book (with rules).

All eight of the Incarnates are revealed, including some BIG surprises on a Shakespearean level.

I talked about the blood thirster recently, but there are more units coming too. Khorne will also be getting Skullreapers, and Wrathmongers.

The Skullreapers look like the Khador Doomreavers with tall doublehanded halbreds, and the Wrathmongers resemble miniature humoid versions of the Lord of Skulls, but with leather armour.


via Captain Citadel (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?52527-End-Times-5-Rumor-Roundup&p=472895&viewfull=1#post472895)1-21-2015
8 Mortal Incarnates Revealed

Chaos goes up versus the eight incarnates in End Times: Archaon. They are the ones you know and some HUGE surprises.

Here are the 8 mortals who will try to save the world - but stop reading now if you can't take spoilers.

<><><><><><><><>SPOLIERS<><><><><><><><>







Malekith - Incarnate of Shadow
Alarielle - Incarnate of Life
Karl Franz - Incarnate of Heavens
Nagash - Incarnate of Death

And the new ones:

Grimgor - Incarnate of Beasts
Balthasar Gelt - Incarnate of Metal
Caradryan - Incarnate of Fire

and last but NOT least

Tyrion - Incarnate of Light

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.de/2015/02/end-times-archaon-nuovo-assetato-di.html) 2-8-2015


12697

End Times Archaon

Rear right is seen with two-handed weapon a truly monstrous new blood demon.
In the foreground more Khorne new models are to be seen, models similar to the size of the Blightkings. Both the models left and right of Archaon and the model at the bottom of the left corner seem to be new models.
Also interesting is the model of Archaon, therefore, it should probably not be a new model for the gentlemen of Latter-day.
End of February, the beginning of March to the end Times start in their final chapter.

via Gutrot Spume (twitter) (https://twitter.com/FetchingBadger/status/564810537763344385/photo/1) 2-9-2015


End Times Archaon Latest
- Grimgor
- Balthasar Gelt
- Wrathmongers
- Skullreapers
12718127191272012721

via tabletop Rhein-Main (https://www.facebook.com/warhammerwiesbaden) (imgur) 2-11-2015

A whole bunch of End Times Archaon info including:
- Archaon Everchosen
- All 3 types of Bloodthirsters
- Grimgor
- Khorne Wrathmongers
- Khorne Skullreapers

via DakkaDakka's WhisperofTruth (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1440/630016.page): 2-15-2015


Oloh (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405473-Warhammer-9th-Edition-Roundup-Discussion&p=7384500&viewfull=1#post7384500) said:

List of current model kits that will be officially included in Warhammer 9th. He later posted that this list is accurate, but incomplete, meaning there may be additional kits that survive that are not listed, with the implication being that you should be OK to purchase and paint these kits (but not base).

Araloth
Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine
Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers
Sisters of the Thorn/Wildriders of Kurnous
Witch Elves of Khaine/Sisters of Slaughter
Treeman
Savage Orcs
Night Goblins
Night Goblin Fanatics
Stonehorn/Thundertusk
Mournfang Cavalry
Thanquol and Boneripper
Vermin Lord
Warlord
Grey Seer
Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace
Stormvermin
Stormfiends
Doomwheel
Hellpit Abomination
Nagash
Coven Throne/Mortis Engine
Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon
Mortarchs
Morghasts
Glottkin
Maggoth Lords
Gutrot Spume
Blightkings
Gorereapers
Wrathmongers
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Warshrine
Chaos Daemons
Ghorgon/Cygor
Grimm Burlockson
Josef Bugman
Runesmith
Ironbreakers/Irondrakes
Gyrocopter
7 Champions and an army of light.

No more Lizardmen, but still playable.
No more Gnoblars/Skinks. They become Goblins.
No more Beastmen.

Elves become more Eldary, units take on aspects of their gods.

There are some units like the Blood Knights that I expected to survive into 9th, but the events of the books have made me doubt this is going to happen anymore. They were due to be updated. Plus it fits with the new merging unit policy, not sure that's happening anymore though. Something similar happened to the Bone Giant, that being said I heard the Bone Giant was getting a redesign and a release some point in the future.

The game will become more Fantasy like, less cannons and warmachines. More magical. It's not just the "Humans" that get empowered by the gods all factions will experience this.


Via Games Workshop 2-23-2015



128691287012871

Death rises. Empires rot. Gods perish. Kingdoms fall.

Chaos Reigns! Be here on Friday 27th to witness the instrument of your destruction.


http://youtu.be/uaS5Zb8Auqs

via one of gary's birds (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/ihYM9fOPEUU/release-details-for-this-week.html) 3-2-2015

End Times Archaon Releases


Khorne Wrathmongers/Skullreapers £34.50
Plastic box set -5 Khorne Wrathmongers or 5 Khorne Skullreapers with the option of one standard bearer. The models come with 40mm square bases and the full rules in the box.

Warhammer: Archaon Hardback Edition £50
A slip-cased, hardback, two-book set.
The First Book is 256 pages of background, detailing Archaon’s final invasion of the Old World.
The Second Book is 80 pages of rules, new campaign guides, and scenarios

[Wildeybeast]

End Times 5 Roundup Continued

via Warseer's Thorin (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405465-End-Times-Archaon-Roundup-Discussion&p=7396015&viewfull=1#post7396015) 3-4-2015
End Times Archaon Khorne Units Pics


1300913010130111301213013130141301513016


It looks like we get one last miniature as part of the End Times Archaon release.

via El Taller De Yila (http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/skarr-bloodwrath-nuevo-senor-del-caos.html#)3-9-2014


13070

Meet Skarr Bloodwrath:

M4 WS8 BS3 S5 T5 W3 I7 A5 Ld8

He's like a blood-fueled St. Celestine!



via Blog for the Blood God (https://www.facebook.com/BlogForTheBloodGod?fref=photo) (facebook) 3-11-2015

Skarr Bloodwrath Model Info

1307213073


Incarnates via El Taller De Yila (http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/perfiles-de-isabella-tyrion-y-caradryan.html) 3-11-2015


Isabella, Tyrion & Caradryan
130741307513076


End Times Archaon Formations
Summaries by Gary (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/MlDFg2S6Gl4/archaon-formations-leaked-information.html): 3-14-2015



image via Spikeybits 13117 3-14-2015

The Blood Hunt
Wrath of Khorne, bloodthirster Insenate Rage, and 1 unfettered fury, 3 units of bloodletters, 1 of bloodcrushers, and 2 of flesh hounds.

d3 units get vanguard deployment rules
all have hatred and can re-roll failed charges.

Army of Blight
Isabella, great unclean one, 3 units of plague bearers, 1 of plague drones, and 2 units of nurglings.

Enemy units have -1 leadership, their generals inspiring presence is reduced by 6″, and shooting attacks a -1 to hit.

The Host of Death
Nagash, Arkhan-mortarch sacrament, Krell mortrach despair, 1 unit of Morghasts, Morghasts Archai, Grave Guard, and Black Knights.

Arkhan get a +3 bonus to casting results
Grave Guard and Black Knight have WS5 and suffer two less wounds from unstable.

Host of Fire
Caradryan, 2 units of Asuryan, 1 unit of white lions, Har Ganeth executioners, and eternal guard.

Asuryan must take flamespyre
All models get devastating charge and flaming attacks
Wake of Fire at +1 strength

Throng of Metal
Balthasar Gelt, runelord, 2 units of thunderers, 1 unit of irongdrakes and ironbreakers, 2 cannons, 1 organ gun. 2 gyrocopters

+1 armour piercing and saves
on a 5+ warmachines and units armed with ranged weapons can shoot again.

The Beast Waaagh!
Grimgor Incarnate, 2 units of black orcs, orc boyz and Ogres, plus 1 unit of orc boar boyz, , ironguts, and leadbelchers, and 1 giant.

Orcboyz and Orc boar boyz must be upgraded to big uns
No units in the formation take animosity tests
All units benefit from waaagh and can re-roll one or more dice for charge range.

The Host of Shadow
Malekith, 1 unit of black guard, phoenix guard, wildwood riders, darkshards, black arc crusaders, high elf spearmen and a War Hydra.

No units have to take dangerous terrain tests and shooting attacks against Malekith or units within 12 are at -1 to hit
Increases Steed of Shadow to 36, and can do so multiple times.

Host of Life
Alarielle, Durthu, nasetra and arahan-must be mounted, 1 treeman ancient, 1 handmaiden, 1 sisters of avelorn, 2 glade guard, 1 deepwood scouts, 1 wild riders, and 3 units of dryads.

All units have regeneration, Durthu and treeman ancient get hatred against any enemy unit within 12 of Arielle.

Host of Light
Tyrion, Imrik, 2 high elf princes, 2 knight orders, 1 reiksguard, 1 demigryph knights, 2 lothern skycutters, 2 silver helms, and 1 unit of cold knights.

Gain +d3 result in close combat if they charged this round.
Hatred towards daemons and undead





Original Post
-----------------------------

Grimgor, Grimgor, Grimgor, Grimgor, Grimgor, Grimgor!

I'm betting Grimgor gets to be the Incarnate of Beasts. Either that or the Avatar of Gork (or possibly Mork). Either way, I is excites!

I notice that these latest rumours don't say this is the final ET book.

[Mr Mystery]

And nothing about Dragon kit....

[Erik Setzer]

And nothing about Dragon kit....

It always seemed a bit far-fetched. Especially as Archaon is likely not going to survive the End Times, so why bother making a new model for him? It's not one of those situations like putting the Glottkin in jars, which they could possibly return from later. Archaon is THE Big Bad. Either he succeeds and the world ends, or people survive (at least some) and he dies.

It might change, but I'd be surprised. Much easier to leave him as-is and eventually phase him out of the game.

Sadly, ditto for Grimgor. *Sniff.*

[Clockwork]

GW phased out Nagash before and he's back. So even if he gets moved out of the game he still has a chance of coming back.

[Archon Charybdis]

It always seemed a bit far-fetched. Especially as Archaon is likely not going to survive the End Times, so why bother making a new model for him?

If the next edition is going to be hundreds of years in the future, with essentially no characters and units from before, why bother updating anybody's models? It doesn't seem like getting a new model is a sure gauge of surviving the End Times, since everyone will be dead come 9th ed anyway.

[Erik Setzer]

Caradryan - Incarnate of Fire

I have a book here that lists Ungrim as the Incarnate of Fire. So, what, an Incarnate can lose their power, have it transferred to someone else?

Or is this just guesswork that missed that huge point in Thanquol?

[Bigred]

Ohh, that's an interesting one...

Perhaps an Incarnate can be killed and the winds moves (or can be directed) to another. Tyrion isn't the shocker so much as Teclis NOT being an Incarnate. He had two winds in his staff. Teclis' original plan in End Times:Khaine was to make all the Incarnates Elves, and Captain Citadel's list has 4 of them as Elves. Maybe Teclis is playing kingmaker and giving them out and moving them around in some grand design.

[Houghten]

Tyrion isn't the shocker? Of course he is! He's meant to be dead!

I don't just mean he got a heavily implied "nobody could survive that" fall like Karl Franz did, I mean the narration literally uses the word "dead."

[Bigred]

I'm just pointing out when your Superfriends team includes Nagash - is anyone really dead?

[Mr Mystery]

Chaos goes up versus the eight incarnates in End Times: Archaon. They are the ones you know and some HUGE surprises.

Here are the 8 mortals who will try to save the world - but stop reading now if you can't take spoilers.

<><><><><><><><>SPOLIERS<><><><><><><><>







Malekith - Incarnate of Shadow
Alarielle - Incarnate of Life
Karl Franz - Incarnate of Heavens
Nagash - Incarnate of Death

And the new ones:

Grimgor - Incarnate of Beasts
Balthasar Gelt - Incarnate of Metal
Caradryan - Incarnate of Fire

and last but NOT least

Tyrion - Incarnate of Light

Nope.

Caradryan - D.E.D. - Dead.
Tyrion - has been eaten by Slaanesh/Slaaneshi Daemon, same time as Morathi, and had already been murdered by Alit Anar with his bow (who then shot Malekith out of spite, the big git). There ain't no coming back from being dead, and then having your soul interfered with in a most horrific way by the biggest perv reality and unreality have ever seen.

[Learn2Eel]

Nope.

Caradryan - D.E.D. - Dead.
Tyrion - has been eaten by Slaanesh/Slaaneshi Daemon, same time as Morathi, and had already been murdered by Alit Anar with his bow (who then shot Malekith out of spite, the big git). There ain't no coming back from being dead, and then having your soul interfered with in a most horrific way by the biggest perv reality and unreality have ever seen.

I see no mention of Caradryan's death in End Times: Khaine.
Tyrion did not fall prey to Slaanesh, you are thinking of Caledor Dragontamer who held Morathi in a vice grip so that she couldn't escape Slaanesh.

As we have already seen in the End Times series, death is no barrier to resurrection.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm sure Caradryan buys the farm in Khaine?

But yeah - no spoliers there. Especially as Ungrim Ironfist is the incarnate of fire, on account he's the incarnate of fire. Interwebular nonsense is nonsense all the same!

And Tyrion's soul would be consumed by Slaanesh anyway - all the Elven gods barring one have snuffed it, leaving Slaanesh alone at the smorgasbord of the soul.

[Learn2Eel]

I'm sure Caradryan buys the farm in Khaine?

But yeah - no spoliers there. Especially as Ungrim Ironfist is the incarnate of fire, on account he's the incarnate of fire. Interwebular nonsense is nonsense all the same!

And Tyrion's soul would be consumed by Slaanesh anyway - all the Elven gods barring one have snuffed it, leaving Slaanesh alone at the smorgasbord of the soul.

I checked it just then and the last mention of Caradryan is when Malekith rides out to save him and his outnumbered Phoenix Guard regiment from certain death, it may have been covered more in the novel.

Well, apparently the end of that new Skaven novel says that the Winds of Fire and Metal leave Ungrim and Thorgrim respectively after the final battle at Karaz-a-Karak. It can be assumed that as the winds weren't properly "bound" to these hosts, they could seek new hosts at whim.

I'm betting that's not the case, Eldyra (Tyrion's former squire, supposedly turned vampire by Mannfred) is explicitly stated to have become the Elven Goddess of the Dead. Coincidence?

I'm not doubting that these rumours sound dodgy, but I can definitely see how they would be possible. If they are true, I think Elf players will be rejoicing for sure as Tyrion is probably the most iconic Elven character, that and a resurrected Tyrion would kind of be one of the most terrifying foes for Chaos to face - whether he is possessed by Khaine or not.

[Mr Mystery]

Haven't finished Thanquol yet, didn't realise the Incarnates flitted about.

Hmm. Still calling nonsense on the rumours though - no sourced cited.

[Erik Setzer]

Well, apparently the end of that new Skaven novel says that the Winds of Fire and Metal leave Ungrim and Thorgrim respectively after the final battle at Karaz-a-Karak. It can be assumed that as the winds weren't properly "bound" to these hosts, they could seek new hosts at whim.

Actually, just looked through that, trying to find anything I could, and even at the end Ungrim is still a flaming beacon of fire. There *is* the implication that Thorgrim gained Metal temporarily and it left him (which is probably how he was able to be killed), but nothing I saw actually says or suggests Fire left Ungrim. And since Ungrim is leading a pretty vicious army up north to face off against Archaon, it makes sense for him to remain the Incarnate of Fire, since he's already heading where the Incarnate will be needed.

I also still can't imagine why GW would print rules for Ungrim as the Incarnate of Fire and all, and then decide that someone else is going to become the Incarnate of Fire. Throgrim didn't stick around as a possible Incarnate of Metal, hence no rules for him as such.

[eldargal]

I'm sceptical. Also as 'huge surprises' go that isn't one. It's like a fancast.

I'm still hoping they do something with the Countess of Nuln, like have her unite the human forces. I mean she survived the population of Nuln going cray cray, she survived the destruction of Altdorf and actively fought in it's defense, then she survives the fall of Nuln too. Seems like they are building up to something and I hope they do.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm sceptical. Also as 'huge surprises' go that isn't one. It's like a fancast.

I'm still hoping they do something with the Countess of Nuln, like have her unite the human forces. I mean she survived the population of Nuln going cray cray, she survived the destruction of Altdorf and actively fought in it's defense, then she survives the fall of Nuln too. Seems like they are building up to something and I hope they do.

Empress?

[eldargal]

Hopefully.

[Mr Mystery]

She has been pretty badass so far - even if she hasn't herself been fighty. As you've listed, she's survived as much as anyone could have hoped. Indeed, only Karl Franz has survived more (direct proper kicking), and even then he sort-of-cheated.....

[eldargal]

Yup, that's why I thnk they might be going somewhere with it, why take a relatively minor character and put her in the middle of the action like that and have her quietly doing stuff otherwise? KF isn't exactly in a position to be leader of Man when he's prancing about as an Incarnate of Whatevs and most of the other Electors are dead now I think.

[Mr Mystery]

I'll give £10 to a charity of your choice if she winds up saving The Empire by delivering an atomic pod shot to Archaon.

[flipchuck]

I'm sceptical. Also as 'huge surprises' go that isn't one. It's like a fancast.

I'm still hoping they do something with the Countess of Nuln, like have her unite the human forces. I mean she survived the population of Nuln going cray cray, she survived the destruction of Altdorf and actively fought in it's defense, then she survives the fall of Nuln too. Seems like they are building up to something and I hope they do.

Her great, great, great......her future bloodline ends up ruling the Empire in 9th editon.

[eldargal]

Source?

[Erik Setzer]

I'm guessing that was just a "maybe this'll happen scenario."

Though you know, if it does, it'll be a male Emperor, meaning the woman only survived to give birth to a man who actually does the important stuff. Because of course it'd happen that way.

[Wildeybeast]

They've had female Emperor's before.

[Erik Setzer]

They've had female Emperor's before.

Yeah, I know. I was presenting a mock scenario, basically, "You think something cool is going to happen... but it's going to be the exact opposite of what you want."

[Wildeybeast]

I call such scenarios 'life'.

[flipchuck]

Source?

Sorry. Just guess work. We keep on wanting for her to do something awesome like take over the Empire or something. And then have stats for her and a new model. Heck, I want that too. It would be a nice change to have some female models for the Empire. But the only problem is that if the 9th ed rumors are true, 9th ed takes place hundreds of years after End Times and she'll be long gone. And at best, her actions during End Times helps her future bloodline be in power enough to rule the Empire in 9th ed

[Kirsten]

Archaon is leaking. a mark of Nurgle will do that to you...

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/ET5b_zpse58ee9c4.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/ET5b_zpse58ee9c4.jpg.html)

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/ET5a_zps0af5c70c.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/ET5a_zps0af5c70c.jpg.html)

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/ET5_zps2b19be93.jpg (http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/KirstenIGMB/media/ET5_zps2b19be93.jpg.html)

[Bigred]

via Gutrot Spume (twitter) (https://twitter.com/FetchingBadger/status/564810537763344385/photo/1) 2-9-2015

End Times Archaon Latest
- Grimgor
- Balthasar Gelt
- Wrathmongers
- Skullreapers

12718127191272012721

[Kirsten]

beat you to it :cool:

[DrLove42]

Like the Skullreapers, not sure on theWrathmongers....need better pictures

[Kirsten]

definitely

[Bigred]

Why is Balthasar Gelt holding an ostrich egg? Maybe Nagash likes omelets.

[Kirsten]

he is going to throw it at Nagash's crypt

[Mr Mystery]

Interesting.

So we currently know......6 of the Incarnates.

Shadow - Malekith
Life - Alarielle
Fire - Ungrim
Heavens - Karl Franz (assumed, anyway. Seems likely, but no guarantee!)
Metal - Balthasar Gelt
Beasts - Grimgor

So we currently await the incarnates of Light and Death.

Death may not have one, as it wasn't released as part of Teclis' plan.

Light? Any guesses?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Tyrion.

Bet anything on it.

Death is Nagash, mate.

[tcraigen]

how was this not posted yet?
12722

[Kirsten]

it was. in the bloodthirster thread.

[40kGamer]

Too many threads.... too little time. :p

[daboarder]

Interesting.

So we currently know......6 of the Incarnates.

Shadow - Malekith
Life - Alarielle
Fire - Ungrim
Heavens - Karl Franz (assumed, anyway. Seems likely, but no guarantee!)
Metal - Balthasar Gelt
Beasts - Grimgor

So we currently await the incarnates of Light and Death.

Death may not have one, as it wasn't released as part of Teclis' plan.

Light? Any guesses?

wouldnt the logical incarnate of death be nagash?

[Death Shroud]

I've seen a leaked page of the "Council of the Incarnates" elsewhere, Tyrion has been resurrected and is Incarnate of Light, from what it looked like (it was a low res pic) Caradryan is the Incarnate of Fire now (that lasted long for the dwarves!).

[daboarder]

tyrion is back? oO so....is he loyal to maliketh?

[Death Shroud]

Also Nagash is definitely the Incarnate of Death, it was said in the first End Times book that he took the death magic. This is why all the wizards in the Imperial college of death magic died. It was also stated in the Khaine book.

So looks like....

Shadow - Malekith
Life - Alarielle
Fire - Caradryan
Light - Tyrion
Heavens - Karl Franz
Metal - Balthasar Gelt
Beasts - Grimgor
Death - Nagash

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Knew it! According to the text there, no, not really.

Whatshisname the Dwarf is just holding on to Fire for the time being then, I guess.

[Erik Setzer]

Aren't half that council people who've been dead at some point?

So the Winds of Magic would rather bind themselves to dead people and an Orc, than to Dwarfs?

And wait... Metal left Thorgrim right before he got murdered like nobody's business and all the Dwarf holds got overrun. If Fire's leaving Ungrim, does that mean he and the Slayers are about to die (which would make them all happy anyway)?

And is Grimgor a foot model with S6/T6? Screw magic, he is officially the most badass guy around, if you don't count throwing spells everywhere.

Yeah, looks like stuff's about to go down. And why is Grimgor not in the Council? Is it because they're all scared of the only guy tough enough to headbutt the lord of the End Times into submission? Will Grimgor have to save the world by himself again?

And if Tyrion's back... what about Khaine?

So many questions...

[Mr Mystery]

Tyrion.

Bet anything on it.

Death is Nagash, mate.

I dunno. Tyrion is pretty d.e.d.

And Nagash anchored the wind in Sylvania, so it's not floating around like.

[Denken]

As shown on leaked images, Tyrion as Incarnate of Light is pretty official now... Caradryan as Fire also...

A little bit disappointed by the loss of Dwarf incarnates and the fact that there seems to be no important dwarf on the Council of Incarnates.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Tyrion's back from the dead. Look at the latest picture~

I ~think~ one of the members of the council in the sidebar is a runepriest. But not an Incarnate.

Is that not also "Lileath: Spellweaver" written there?

[Justus Ackermann]

*sigh*
My armies are Dwarfs, High Elves and Night Goblins. It has already been a tough couple of months (Gobbla almost made me cry). Just get it over with.

[Duo Sonata]

Wouldn't surprise me if "Tyrion" was in fact Teclis and Tyrion fused into one being to become the Incarnate of Light. Fire being someone else doesn't surprise me since the thanquol book says its settled in Ungrim "for a time at least" which meant it wasn't gonna be permanent.

Sure woulda been nice to see a lizardman rise to shine in end times but oh well, still faired off better than Ogre Kingdoms and the way things are going at least they aren't gonna be like the Squats err... Dwarves...

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Look at the picture. It is Tyrion. The text by his portrait says "since returning from the dead" and mentions his distrust of Malekith, Alarielle and Teclis.

Teclis is also listed in the sidebar of the council.

[Learn2Eel]

Wouldn't surprise me if "Tyrion" was in fact Teclis and Tyrion fused into one being to become the Incarnate of Light. Fire being someone else doesn't surprise me since the thanquol book says its settled in Ungrim "for a time at least" which meant it wasn't gonna be permanent.

Sure woulda been nice to see a lizardman rise to shine in end times but oh well, still faired off better than Ogre Kingdoms and the way things are going at least they aren't gonna be like the Squats err... Dwarves...

As Cap'nSmurfs states, Tyrion and Teclis are not "fused". I suspect that Tyrion's corpse was purged of Khaine's influence via the Flame of Ulric and he was then resurrected, who did the deed remains to be seen - Alarielle or Teclis are the obvious choices but I'm not so sure myself.

Welp, we've now got confirmation those rumours about the "Council of Incarnates" from a while ago were actually truthful. Tyrion is obviously the biggest shocker and possibly the best plot twist in the End Times so far seeing as his death was the sour note End Times: Khaine ended on, it's cool that he and Alarielle are apparently back together if that leaked artwork is anything to go by. Even if it was ceremonial, Alarielle marrying Malekith rubbed me the wrong way on so many levels.

This also confirms that Ungrim is indeed no longer the Incarnate of Fire, a power that has since passed to Caradryan. In a word; awesome. Not for Dwarf players, obviously, but for anyone that was a huge fan of Caradryan both before and during the End Times - it was so badass when he finally spoke as a Phoenix Guard - it is going to be sick. I'm curious as to whether his "Incarnate" profile will be for the model riding Ashtari the Frostheart Phoenix (most likely as it is the newest model for him) or his on-foot variation (I can't recall if Ashtari survived End Times: Khaine).

The rules for the new units are delightfully insane, Grimgor providing a bubbled version of Wyssan's Wildform via a bound spell is crazy as is his new profile - it looks like he has 6 Strength 9 attacks that Always Strike First and benefit from Hatred in the first round of each combat (Choppas)! The new Khorne units seem like slightly less valuable but far more deadly versions of the Blightkings, but the most interesting leak is for the Bloodthirsters; not only is one of them Kha'bandha of Warhammer 40,000 fame (the Bloodthirster that Sanguinius tangled with), but their leaked stats show they are Weapon Skill 12 and Ballistic Skill 12, a first for Warhammer Fantasy (and 40K?). I'm excited to see how Tyrion's new rules fare against both his standard and Avatar of Khaine profiles, it's safe to assume his stats will be boosted just like the Avatar of Khaine profile, replacing the Widowmaker for Sunfang and gaining a bound spell with a low casting value. Bets on what the bound spell will be?

[eldargal]

How completely disappointing and uninspired.

Both Tyrion and Teclis aliove (but Morathi still gone by the looks of it because I guess only boring as **** guys survive) and one woman on the list, urgh.

[Mr Mystery]

Not happy about Tyrion the Spolied Brat being back, but I'm sure I'm going to love the next installment anyways!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I love how you were wrong in most of your earlier rants in the thread. xD

[Mr Mystery]

Who? Me?

Never claimed to be perfect.

Just the next best thing :p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And there's a million of us just like me
Who cuss like me; who just don't give a damn like me
Who dress like me; walk, talk and act like me
It just might be the next best thing but not quite me!

[Mr Mystery]

You're not Slim Shady.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm just... disappointed. Tyrion is brought back, making his death meaningless? Wonderful. The Dwarfs lose one of the Incarnates to another guy who was apparently magically redeemed for this (Gelt), and then lost the other to yet another Elf, so Elves represent half of the Incarnates even though their race is almost gone and they've lost two nations already.

And apparently Grimgor is leading an army of greenskins *and* Ogres. And ends up fighting Skaven at some point, because Skaven are everywhere. I love my Skaven and all, but it's kind of insane that they're the ones who are fighting everywhere during "Archaon's" invasion, and the ones who are doing the serious work. Heck, even the invasion of Naggaroth was aided by the Skaven blowing a hole in a wall. They shot the moon, they destroyed the Slann, they smashed Lustria, they practically wiped out the Dwarfs, they blew up a mountain, they did a kill-steal of Valten... and they're still rocking that old book forever.

All these people coming back from the dead or back from the Dark Side are feeling like cliches being piled in. And we can have Nagash on the "Council of Incarnates," but not the Incarnate of Beasts? Or are they going to eventually strip that from Grimgor to add to an Elf?

New models seem... okay, I suppose. Hard to really tell with the photos. Seems like Khorne is getting two units to answer the Blightkings, character stat models on 40mm bases. Bloodthirster does look pretty awesome, though. No new stuff for greenskins, of course, because Tom Kirby hates green people.

[Mr Mystery]

I guess it depends entirely on where they're going with the end game of the End Times.

Caradryan may not be the final host of the Lore of Fire after all. He's just part of the council, and so on.

I'll admit, I'm dubious for the first time about End Times, but I've massively enjoyed it thus far, so would be odd for it to suddenly fall flat.

[Path Walker]

Tyrion is an arrogant jack ***, High elves need Tyrion because he's a perfect example of their race, I'm reserving judgement until I read the book, everything else they've done so far has been really cool

[Wildeybeast]

Grimgor, Grimgor, Grimgor! Waaaaaaagh!

[Vix]

And we can have Nagash on the "Council of Incarnates," but not the Incarnate of Beasts? Or are they going to eventually strip that from Grimgor to add to an Elf?.

Grimgor for 'tempsies' on Beasts, Korhil's a dead ringer. I mean, Caradryan had that 'fire' bit rule going on and he's the Fire Incarnate good and proper, and Korhil's got that big ol' pelt and he's super strong (for an elf) so why not?

Bah, ignore me, I'm just being an irrational and reactionary sort. I'm skeptical about the 'Tyrion mulligan' and Caradryan switch: 1 faction, 3 Super Heroes de plot device, unless all the incarnates end up dead to thwart Archaon's plans, the Asur do seem to be massively over-represented despite bungling their own grand plan. As for Gelt, meh; I was hoping he'd be more interesting than that given what he'd been built up as in Nagash. I haven't been disappointed so far, but I haven't been paying too much attention to spoilers before now; so I'm sure I'd have said the same thing about every single volume before this. I suppose in a vacuum a lot of the End Time's stuff has seemed absurd, but when it's pulled together it's often pretty good. I'll give this all the benefit of the doubt before doom mongering.

The incarnates are important and all, but there's still a number of secondary characters that seem pivitol and haven't got much resolved in their stories. My biggest and most selfish question is: where the bugger is Good-king (sorry, God-king) Gilles?! Fine, and what's Settra gonna' do.

But I'll admit it, CaptainCitadel got it right, and I didn't believe a word of it. I still don't really want too, but I'm cautiously.... well, cautious, about these developments.

[Erik Setzer]

I'll admit, I'm dubious for the first time about End Times, but I've massively enjoyed it thus far, so would be odd for it to suddenly fall flat.

It's been a fun read and definitely points to a very different Warhammer in the future. I think there's not really any way they can avoid disappointing people some, but as long as it's not Storm of Chaos ending, it shouldn't be too bad.

[Mr Mystery]

Plus, we don't know who, if anyone, survives this volume...l

[Theik]

So let's see if I can make out what it says for Grimgor....

460 points, M4, WS8, BS1, S...6?, T6, W4?, I5?, A6?, Ld9
Choppas, hatred, immune to psychology
Da Immortalz lost the rule saying no other characters can join the unit
Best of da best: Grimgor can reroll failed to hit and to wound rolls in challenges
Gitsnik still +2 strength and ASF
Blood Forged Armor still 1+ armor and 5+ ward

Special ability... locus of Ghur, innate bound spell powerlevel 5(?), targets all friendly Orcs & Goblins and Ogre army units within 12 inch including Grimgor's, models get +1 strength and +1 toughness until caster's next magic phase.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I still think End Times is cool!

[Mr Mystery]

I still think End Times is cool!

Agreed.

This is the trouble with limited spoilers, we get no context.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Whole load of rules related stuff leaked here :

http://imgur.com/a/nOyqS?utm_content=buffer438af&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Mr Mystery]

Bloodthirsters remain fairly wussy, compared to End Times characters.

[Erik Setzer]

Bloodthirsters remain fairly wussy, compared to End Times characters.

Notably cheaper, though. Puts them on par with Verminlords, too. Those guys can be nice on their own, but don't try them against Karl Franz, Nagash, or Archaon.

[Mr Mystery]

True enough.

[Wildeybeast]

I'm disappointed Grimgor isn't better. He'll chop through most things, but is no where near KFA, Tyrion or Malektih.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Lack of a monster to get a dual profile will do that, I think. I also reckon it's nice there's a couple of cheaper Incarnates, like Alarielle, Ungrim and Grimgor.

Has there been any news about whether Tyrion and Caradryan have Incarnate rules in this book? Those would be interesting.

The Bloodthirsters look fun. A 100pt allowance for gifts might also help with any wussiness. :)

[Erik Setzer]

Lack of a monster to get a dual profile will do that, I think. I also reckon it's nice there's a couple of cheaper Incarnates, like Alarielle, Ungrim and Grimgor.

Has there been any news about whether Tyrion and Caradryan have Incarnate rules in this book? Those would be interesting.

The Bloodthirsters look fun. A 100pt allowance for gifts might also help with any wussiness. :)

One of the leaked images had a formation with Tyrion and Imrik leading a force made up of High Elf and Empire Knights and Chariots, it referred to page 34 for Tyrion's rules, so he's got rules at least. Not sure about Caradryan.

And yeah, Grimgor isn't riding a big monster to buff him, because he doesn't need something like that, he's an 'ard boss all by himself.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Sweet. I can't wait for this book. I hope there's some fistpump moments (although I'm strictly Team Nagash); Thanquol was a lot of downers. :)

Unless you're a dirty rat, that is!

[Bigred]

via tabletop Rhein-Main (https://www.facebook.com/warhammerwiesbaden) (imgur) 2-11-2015

A whole bunch of End Times Archaon (http://imgur.com/a/nOyqS?utm_content=buffer438af&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer) info including:
- Archaon Everchosen
- All 3 types of Bloodthirsters
- Grimgor
- Khorne Wrathmongers
- Khorne Skullreapers

[Markus Koroschetz]

Morning Guys,
I'm just scanning Archaons Profile... it seems to me it didn't change much didn't it ?
looking pretty the same as in the WoC Book... a bit dissapointing

Thought he get some love to like all the other named characters

[Duo Sonata]

I find it sad that of all the stuff Grimgor Incarnate of beasts has over Grimgor Ironhide is that what I like most is that you can have other characters in his unit now.

[Erik Setzer]

Sweet. I can't wait for this book. I hope there's some fistpump moments (although I'm strictly Team Nagash); Thanquol was a lot of downers. :)

Unless you're a dirty rat, that is!

As a Skaven player, I did quite enjoy it!

As an Orc player, I'm hoping Grimgor does some awesome stuff. Being an Incarnate, apparently the Winds of Magic are treating him as one of the world's best hopes. Which makes sense, because if anyone can smash Chaos in the face (without backstabbing them, like Thanquol's setting up for), it's Orcs, and especially Black Orcs. Having Ogres back in the army feels nice, at least. (Though it could get a little expensive... I've already been eying Ogre kits, this would just give me a reason to give in, buy the book, and pick up some of those models.)

I have a feeling that at the end of the day, most of the world will be ruined, a LOT of people will be dead, Chaos will be stopped, and the Warhammer world will be "rebooted" somehow, possibly using Araloth's and Lilieath's daughter in the Emerald Dream using Reorigination to avoid an Outland situation.

[Venomlust]

I hope Tyrion dies twice. :)

[Mr Mystery]

I hope Tyrion dies twice. :)

In the face. In agony.

- - - Updated - - -


As a Skaven player, I did quite enjoy it!

As an Orc player, I'm hoping Grimgor does some awesome stuff. Being an Incarnate, apparently the Winds of Magic are treating him as one of the world's best hopes. Which makes sense, because if anyone can smash Chaos in the face (without backstabbing them, like Thanquol's setting up for), it's Orcs, and especially Black Orcs. Having Ogres back in the army feels nice, at least. (Though it could get a little expensive... I've already been eying Ogre kits, this would just give me a reason to give in, buy the book, and pick up some of those models.)

I have a feeling that at the end of the day, most of the world will be ruined, a LOT of people will be dead, Chaos will be stopped, and the Warhammer world will be "rebooted" somehow, possibly using Araloth's and Lilieath's daughter in the Emerald Dream using Reorigination to avoid an Outland situation.

Ogres is dead cheap! Two boxes of Bulls, and you've got a unit that can facestomp most stuff.

[Erik Setzer]

Ogres is dead cheap! Two boxes of Bulls, and you've got a unit that can facestomp most stuff.

Well, it's kind of a relative situation. I just bought all that new Skaven stuff, and now Harlequins have grabbed me, so I'm getting that stuff, and I still need to drop probably $85 on ET: Archaon, so then it'll be $50 plus the models for Ogres. Without all those other considerations, Ogres aren't horribly expensive, and are an army you can carry easily, and are pretty effective. But yeah, they sucked me into too many different projects.

[Learn2Eel]

I hope Tyrion dies twice. :)


In the face. In agony.

- - - Updated - - -

Ogres is dead cheap! Two boxes of Bulls, and you've got a unit that can facestomp most stuff.

I guess I just don't understand the hate for Tyrion, he's actually a pretty swell guy in most of the lore!

I've yet to comment on the rules for the three Bloodthirsters, but here are my impressions;

400 point one - Standard Bloodthirster, identical as far as I can tell.

500 point one - What makes this guy deceptively good is that he has Heroic Killing Blow as a special rule rather than on his weapon(s). The way to make this one really nasty is to replace his Great Weapon with either the Axe of Blood or the Sword of Strife (whichever one gives +2 Attacks from the BRB), preferably the latter, via Daemonic Gifts. If you take the +2 Attack sword, this guy gets a whopping 9 Heroic Killing Blow attacks in every round of combat (he has Frenzy as well)! With Weapon Skill 10, this means he averages 1 Heroic Killing Blow wound per close combat against anything that isn't also Weapon Skill 10 or has a -1 to-hit penalty. That he is Initiative 9 means he does this before the vast majority of enemies in the game as well, making him an insane character assassin/monster hunter for 550 points (when you take the +2 Attack sword via the 50 point Daemonic Gift).

550 point one - This is probably the nastiest one overall because of his crazy number of Attacks and high Strength as well as the ridiculously awesome Strength 5 Flaming Breath Weapon which is insane on a flying monster. He basically does what the above one does with 9 Strength 9 Attacks on the charge, meaning he doesn't have to rely on the Heroic Killing Blow gimmick. I think the Breath Weapon is worth all those extra points alone

The two upgraded ones are well worth it over the normal one and are understandably brutal in close combat, however neither solve the core issue everyone has with Bloodthirsters; they all hit like a truck (even the basic one does), but they are pretty much the ultimate glass cannon models because T6 W5 5+ armour and 5+ ward can only get a monster so far. For their points cost, they are way too fragile realistically - the only exception to this is against armies that have little or no shooting, where Bloodthirsters (again, even the basic one will work in this scenario) dominate. Basically, the two new ones - I'm undecided on which one will be more popular, though I'm leaning towards the one with the breath weapon for obvious reasons - are worthwhile over regular Bloodthirsters but still suffer from the same core issues.

For their points costs, though, the two new Bloodthirsters are pretty darned insane in combat. What's interesting to note is that the one with Heroic Killing Blow has a pretty high chance of assassinating Nagash and Karl Franz Ascendant in one round of combat before they strike as with the +2 Attack sword he will go first and average 1 Heroic Killing Blow wound each phase, charge or no charge. If either of those two targets fails their 4+ ward save against that, bye-bye! Not bad considering how much cheaper these are.

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmm.....Just thinking cashmonies timings.....

Don't get paid until 23rd, which is a Monday.

This, presumably, will be next week....meaning I may miss out on the pre-ordery goodness.

Think it's time to speak to my Bro, get him to place t'order, and bung cash up to him on payday. I will have a complete set of hardbacks! I WILL!

- - - Updated - - -

Also, that Wrath Bloodthirster? It's Stubborn.

That's just not nice.

[Erik Setzer]

but they are pretty much the ultimate glass cannon models because T6 W5 5+ armour and 5+ ward can only get a monster so far. For their points cost, they are way too fragile realistically

My Verminlord says "hi!" Even less effective in combat but costs as much because it's a Wizard (ML4), and only has the ward save. When I take the Warpseer variant, I never throw the globe, because I want to keep that 4_.

[Wildeybeast]

Hmmm.....Just thinking cashmonies timings.....

Don't get paid until 23rd, which is a Monday.

This, presumably, will be next week....meaning I may miss out on the pre-ordery goodness.

Think it's time to speak to my Bro, get him to place t'order, and bung cash up to him on payday. I will have a complete set of hardbacks! I WILL!

- - - Updated - - -

Also, that Wrath Bloodthirster? It's Stubborn.

That's just not nice.

Do you not do credit cards?

[Mr Mystery]

Nope.

Was bad with credit in my yoof, and steer clear now.

[Wildeybeast]

Fair enough. Better hope your brother is reliable then!

[Mr Mystery]

Is all safe.

Seems one last week of Harlquins next week with the Death Jester and Shadowseer, so all golden for End a Times!

[eosgreen]

so will the warriors and demons books be combined? how does this affect things like demon princes and such. i havent played fantasy in the new edition but will be soon once the plastic GD comes out but arent warrior nurgle daemon princes really hard to kill while the daemon codex versions much weaker?

[Mr Mystery]

End Times lists unify various army books, but do not replace them.

Overall it's pretty cool!

[eosgreen]

End Times lists unify various army books, but do not replace them.

Overall it's pretty cool!

right but daemon princes have 2 sets of wargear right? there is the warriors of chaos and the daemons book. can you use both then? im just wondering what will happen

[maggiras]

right but daemon princes have 2 sets of wargear right? there is the warriors of chaos and the daemons book. can you use both then? im just wondering what will happen

We will see, the combined Army list goes with the name of: Legion of Chaos or Grand Legion of the Everchosen. Just like the several Elven armylists in the Khaine Book

[bahumbaba]

I don't get the new Wrathmongers and Skullreapers.

The two units seem very similair in their stats and being "infantry" and not "monstrous infantry", wouldn't that suggest that subsequent ranks only will get one attack for each model?.

[bahumbaba]

,

[Jared van Kell]

right but daemon princes have 2 sets of wargear right? there is the warriors of chaos and the daemons book. can you use both then? im just wondering what will happen

No, it is one or the other.

JvK :cool:

[Erik Setzer]

right but daemon princes have 2 sets of wargear right? there is the warriors of chaos and the daemons book. can you use both then? im just wondering what will happen

Pick which book you're selecting the Daemon Prince from, then use the rules and items and stuff from that book.

In theory, you could have one of each type of DP.

[Bigred]

via DakkaDakka's WhisperofTruth (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1440/630016.page): 2-15-2015


Oloh (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405473-Warhammer-9th-Edition-Roundup-Discussion&p=7384500&viewfull=1#post7384500) said:

List of current model kits that will be officially included in Warhammer 9th. He later posted that this list is accurate, but incomplete, meaning there may be additional kits that survive that are not listed, with the implication being that you should be OK to purchase and paint these kits (but not base).

Araloth
Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine
Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers
Sisters of the Thorn/Wildriders of Kurnous
Witch Elves of Khaine/Sisters of Slaughter
Treeman
Savage Orcs
Night Goblins
Night Goblin Fanatics
Stonehorn/Thundertusk
Mournfang Cavalry
Thanquol and Boneripper
Vermin Lord
Warlord
Grey Seer
Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace
Stormvermin
Stormfiends
Doomwheel
Hellpit Abomination
Nagash
Coven Throne/Mortis Engine
Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon
Mortarchs
Morghasts
Glottkin
Maggoth Lords
Gutrot Spume
Blightkings
Gorereapers
Wrathmongers
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Warshrine
Chaos Daemons
Ghorgon/Cygor
Grimm Burlockson
Josef Bugman
Runesmith
Ironbreakers/Irondrakes
Gyrocopter
7 Champions and an army of light.

No more Lizardmen, but still playable.
No more Gnoblars/Skinks. They become Goblins.
No more Beastmen.

Elves become more Eldary, units take on aspects of their gods.

There are some units like the Blood Knights that I expected to survive into 9th, but the events of the books have made me doubt this is going to happen anymore. They were due to be updated. Plus it fits with the new merging unit policy, not sure that's happening anymore though. Something similar happened to the Bone Giant, that being said I heard the Bone Giant was getting a redesign and a release some point in the future.

The game will become more Fantasy like, less cannons and warmachines. More magical. It's not just the "Humans" that get empowered by the gods all factions will experience this.

[Erik Setzer]

I noticed they had a new Ogre box with no Gnoblars. Suited me, as I didn't really care about them (likely one reason for their demise, lack of interest), but it did make me think something was happening to them. I've been assembling my Ogres with no Gnoblars where possible to match what I expected was coming.

Basically, sounds like pretty much all the plastic kits, except for the Lizardmen, Beastmen, and probably Bretonnians.

[Dreadmeran]

via DakkaDakka's WhisperofTruth (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1440/630016.page): 2-15-2015

Well, if I'm not mistaken, brothers Glott died towards the end of ET:Glottkin, and this list having them seems quite odd, along with the maggoth lords...

[White Tiger88]

So we got any idea what is in Archy's army list? I am trying to figure out the best unit to keep archeon alive in.........

[Jared van Kell]

Well, if I'm not mistaken, brothers Glott died towards the end of ET:Glottkin, and this list having them seems quite odd, along with the maggoth lords...

To be precise, Ethrac Glott cast a spell which saw them placed in 3 jars within Nurgle's Mansion. Nurgle may have decided that he was going to be generous with them since between them they did actually manage to kill Karl Franz but were defeated by the fact he became the Incarnate of the Heavens.

JvK :cool:

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Yeah, the Glottkin aren't "dead", they're just chillin' in jars. Nurgle will probably eventually stop being mad at them.

[Mr Mystery]

Want this book to hurry up and arrive!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Same. Same.

[Mr Mystery]

And still not convinced this is the last volume!

Reckon there'll be one after - purely a hunch!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I think this will be the last book of the End Times. We've had the four horsemen: Death (Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead!), Pestilence (Glottkin/Nurgle), War (Khaine), Famine (Skaven and the Black Hunger), then Archaon. But it might not be the last book/release in this format (I hope not!). The most recent set of rumours Faeit has up (here) (http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/02/warhammer-fantasy-9th-edition.html) - which to my mind are the most coherent set to date, which sum up something close to what I expect 9th Ed to look like - suggest that the style of releases we've been seeing will continue. That is, new units and new characters which can be taken by multiple factions with End Times style books (rather than the old Army books) accompanying.

As I say, I thought that sounded plausible. Certainly more plausible than the waves of YER ARMY'S GETTIN' INVALIDATED!!! or YER GONNA HAVE TO REBASE YER ARMY!!! we were getting.

[eosgreen]

ive already put my elf army on circle bases since games workshop tweeted they were merging 40k and fantasy

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I hope you're joking!

[Mr Mystery]

Machete don't text. GW don't Twitter.

[Erik Setzer]

Those rumors on Faeit are barely readable, and don't really make any sense. The best I could manage out of them is that GW is shifting Warhammer over to being a copy of Warmachine, with larger models, changing the aesthetic away from anything resembling stock fantasy, completely changing up the armies, making game rules that completely throw being an actual game out the window, and releasing books with rules for whatever new models they're coming out with to be used in one of two sides that are a mash of everything, like how LOTR/Hobbit did armies. Oh, and some models will come on round bases for random reasons.

Yeah. That sounds bloody amazing. Bravo, someone's been hitting the sauce hard.

At this point, I guess I'll just wait and see, but the conflicting rumors for WFB actually don't have me excited for the future of... whatever it is they're replacing WFB with as they sunset a popular game because their business model drove it into the ground.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

That's not what I got from it at all. Here's my reading:

-9th is 90% recognizable as 8th, with some changes, rather than a radical overhaul. Probably some of these changes we're already seeing in the End Times: combined profiles for some models, for example.

-The End Times-style releases will continue, with sourcebooks-and-models coming out to add new characters and units rather than doing endless retreads of old characters and units. (I'm sure that's why so many characters were killed off).

-Individual factions are all staying, but some of the new releases will act as "bridges" between factions: in the same way you can take Putrid Blightkings with Beastmen in a Chaos Legion, for example.

-Round bases will only apply to specific units which will now work differently: weapons teams and war machines. You won't have to rebase anything; some things will start being sold that way.

-The rumours about a skirmish game are not rumours about 9th edition itself.

-There's a whole buttload of cool new stuff coming, not just the End Times things.

I don't think it was that hard to read. I suspect the author's first language isn't English but the meaning is fairly clear. And when I say I found it coherent, I mean that it stacks up with what we do know: ie. what the End Times is doing and what the new model seems to be. A lot of the posts people got so very excited about are far less... direct in addressing specifics (even when they're obviously good sources who are to some extent In The Know). I can't see them doing the End Times and then just junking the whole model and going back to the old grind of "here's your army book, here's a new version of your old character" which wasn't doing anything to either A. inject new life and energy into the game or B. entice people to buy the Cool New Thing when you could just find a stack of the old metal versions on Ebay. I think B. there is an important part of what they want to do with End Times and going forward.

Contrast that post with the "list of acceptable models for 9th!!!" which was totally ****ing meaningless.

With boxes themselves starting to come with the full rules in the instruction manual, something big is changing with the release structure.

But! We're also like, what, three months, max from knowing what's up anyway? All this back and forth will shortly be academic. :)

[eosgreen]

That's not what I got from it at all. Here's my reading:

-9th is 90% recognizable as 8th, with some changes, rather than a radical overhaul. Probably some of these changes we're already seeing in the End Times: combined profiles for some models, for example.

-The End Times-style releases will continue, with sourcebooks-and-models coming out to add new characters and units rather than doing endless retreads of old characters and units. (I'm sure that's why so many characters were killed off).

-Individual factions are all staying, but some of the new releases will act as "bridges" between factions: in the same way you can take Putrid Blightkings with Beastmen in a Chaos Legion, for example.

-Round bases will only apply to specific units which will now work differently: weapons teams and war machines. You won't have to rebase anything; some things will start being sold that way.

-The rumours about a skirmish game are not rumours about 9th edition itself.

-There's a whole buttload of cool new stuff coming, not just the End Times things.

I don't think it was that hard to read. I suspect the author's first language isn't English but the meaning is fairly clear. And when I say I found it coherent, I mean that it stacks up with what we do know: ie. what the End Times is doing and what the new model seems to be. A lot of the posts people got so very excited about are far less... direct in addressing specifics (even when they're obviously good sources who are to some extent In The Know). I can't see them doing the End Times and then just junking the whole model and going back to the old grind of "here's your army book, here's a new version of your old character" which wasn't doing anything to either A. inject new life and energy into the game or B. entice people to buy the Cool New Thing when you could just find a stack of the old metal versions on Ebay. I think B. there is an important part of what they want to do with End Times and going forward.

Contrast that post with the "list of acceptable models for 9th!!!" which was totally ****ing meaningless.

With boxes themselves starting to come with the full rules in the instruction manual, something big is changing with the release structure.

But! We're also like, what, three months, max from knowing what's up anyway? All this back and forth will shortly be academic. :)

all nonsense boys rebase your armys asap onto circle bases if you are fantasy and no bases if you are 40k. 40k end times everyone will be playing face down on the board because the toxic gas is similar to smoke in a fire. lower to the ground = safer

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Hahaha

[White Tiger88]

Do we have anything on what is in the Grand Legion of the Everchosens army list???

[Cap'nSmurfs]

"Chaos Legions with Archaon and the new stuff in Archaon, minus dead characters like Malagor". Confident prediction.

[White Tiger88]

"Chaos Legions with Archaon and the new stuff in Archaon, minus dead characters like Malagor". Confident prediction.

Beastmen fodder you say? Bwahahaha!

[Brakkart]

Nice new video up on GW about the forthcoming book, great music and narrative:


http://youtu.be/uaS5Zb8Auqs

[Mr Mystery]

I r excite!

[eldargal]

Meh, my interest in WFB is dwindling again, they have missed every opportunity to do something interesting with End Times we just end up with same old with fewer characters and less variety of geography.

[Erik Setzer]

Meh, my interest in WFB is dwindling again, they have missed every opportunity to do something interesting with End Times we just end up with same old with fewer characters and less variety of geography.

By "same old" are you just referring to the lack of female characters? Because aside from a serious surprise retcon in summer, I don't see how it's not quite different, and will become more so, to the degree that we'll all likely need new armies over time. We really need to see what 9th edition looks like to know how it all shakes out.

What opportunities to do interesting stuff do you think they missed? Other than more female characters, of course. (Not knocking that, just saying that's a given for you, and while I'd like to see more, I don't think the lack of them being added means that the whole thing is an utter failure.)

[Cap'nSmurfs]

The main proof of this will be what comes after: having cleared out a bunch of old characters, they have an opportunity to start replacing the old with the new. Hopefully some of those will be women. (If they've got any sense, there will be).

Isabella von Carstein's getting new rules in this book, FWIW.

There's some lovely art in that teaser. Very exciting. I actually can't wait - I want to know what happens!

[Mr Mystery]

Sauce for Isabella info?

[Erik Setzer]

I'd like to see Isabella rules. I'd probably use her in our "End Times bash," but people want me to bring Nagash, who's going to take up 2/3 of my Lords allowance. And unless she's cheap, I can't summon her like I can Mannfred.

[Trojan66]

It's clear to me that the next edition of warhammer is going to be very different to the game we are currently playing. GW want warhammer to be more accessible . They want kids to be able to tramp into their local GW store with their birthday money and get enough bits and bobs to be able to take home, build, paint and play straight away...not spend months building a single unit, get bored and go play 40k instead. I am sure we will see a smaller game system. I am sure we will see round bases and I am sure we will see a different army composition system. It will be a shame because us old timers like the grand scale and complexity of warhammer. But if it's not financially viable, and their isn't the popularity amongst the kids, then it is inevitable.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

One of those leaked pictures shows Balthasar Gelt's page. But the book is open in such a way you can see snapshots of other character illustrations to the left as the book hangs open. The most prominent - you can see all sorts of telling details, especially the hairdo and what's either a shoulder or, ahem, something else - can't be anyone other than Isabella. Surely the page for Isabella the Accursed (as she's referred in the page listing the members of that army; in the same way as "Festus Empowered".

That whole section: Gelt after her, and the Chaos unit illustration you can see to her left, before here in the book, is the rules section. It's a rules page for Isabella the Accursed.

If I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat. If I'm not: observation is a skill, yo!

Go here, scroll down to Gelt, and you'll see what I mean. 13th image down from the top: http://lkhero.blogspot.com/2015/02/huge-end-times-reveal.html


And unless she's cheap, I can't summon her like I can Mannfred.

Well, also if she's Chaos Isabella and not a part of the Undead Legions. ;)

[Mr Mystery]

I'll allow it!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I would too. I kind of like that Izzy has her own army in this, though!

[Wildeybeast]

Drycha teaming up with Hellebron and Belakor!? Now that sounds exciting. Still can't wait Grimgor to pummel a whole bunch of fools to death.

[maggiras]

Isabella is in the 9th screenshot .. leading the stolen and the rotten nurgle army !!! isabella the accursed

[Archon Charybdis]

Drycha teaming up with Hellebron and Belakor!? Now that sounds exciting. Still can't wait Grimgor to pummel a whole bunch of fools to death.

It didn't dawn on me before, but Be'lakor, who hates all his bosses, is working with Drycha who clandestinely aided the return of Nagash. Somebody's playing both sides against the middle, and that just might be what allows the Fantasy world to survive.

[Dreadmeran]

It didn't dawn on me before, but Be'lakor, who hates all his bosses, is working with Drycha who clandestinely aided the return of Nagash. Somebody's playing both sides against the middle, and that just might be what allows the Fantasy world to survive.

You're forgetting that Archaon also hates the Chaos Gods, as well as Be'lakor himself. While Be'lakor is furious against the Chaos Gods for their mockery. Besides that, the main difference between them is that Be'lakor wants to rule the world once more, but Archaon wants to destroy everything (so that no one can reign, and that Chaos Gods may perish along with it).


Also, the theory regarding Be'lakor being pretty much the same being as Malal is still going on, especially with the Archaon novels pointing out certain things even further. So, yeah, he might foil Archy's plans just so he can finally rule again... :rolleyes:

[White Tiger88]

You're forgetting that Archaon also hates the Chaos Gods, as well as Be'lakor himself. While Be'lakor is furious against the Chaos Gods for their mockery. Besides that, the main difference between them is that Be'lakor wants to rule the world once more, but Archaon wants to destroy everything (so that no one can reign, and that Chaos Gods may perish along with it).


Also, the theory regarding Be'lakor being pretty much the same being as Malal is still going on, especially with the Archaon novels pointing out certain things even further. So, yeah, he might foil Archy's plans just so he can finally rule again... :rolleyes:


Forgot there plans i want some army list info...................... Mixture of Beastmen,Chaos warriors and demons i assume?

[Dreadmeran]

Aye. Probably the Legion of Chaos + turncoats and new units along with some new/updated rules. 2 weeks until pre-orders if I'm not mistaken.

There was something about Constant Drachenfels as well in the leaks iirc, so not sure how that will work out.

[Mr Mystery]

Pretty sure that's 'The Other' that featured in Nagash.

So can't wait for this!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

The Nameless (Constant Drachenfels) is part of Isabella's army. It's possible he's possessing the body of Luthor Huss, and also possible he's manipulating Isabella.

[eldargal]

It would be nice if Isabella got a big new model or something.

[Mr Mystery]

Yep.

I just like new models for the most part - though she's not long had one, it's hardly an End Times worthy excuse!

[Mr Mystery]

Been tipped off the book might be up for pre-order Friday coming, which is a week earlier than I expected (was expecting models, models, book)

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Yeah, I think it's pre-order this week. There's only two kits for this one (I think - Bloodthirsters and the new units which I suspect is a dual-kit).

[White Tiger88]

Be nice to see more Info on what is IN the book though =/ trying to figure out who exactly i get for my Archaon legion ;)

[Bigred]

via one of gary's birds (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/ihYM9fOPEUU/release-details-for-this-week.html) 3-2-2015

End Times Archaon Releases


Khorne Wrathmongers/Skullreapers £34.50
Plastic box set -5 Khorne Wrathmongers or 5 Khorne Skullreapers with the option of one standard bearer. The models come with 40mm square bases and the full rules in the box.

Warhammer: Archaon Hardback Edition £50
A slip-cased, hardback, two-book set.
The First Book is 256 pages of background, detailing Archaon’s final invasion of the Old World.
The Second Book is 80 pages of rules, new campaign guides, and scenarios

[Mr Mystery]

Huzzah! Time to hit my local GW and get some e-vouchers ready for t'launch.

[Bigred]

via Warseer's Thorin (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405465-End-Times-Archaon-Roundup-Discussion&p=7396015&viewfull=1#post7396015) 3-4-2015
End Times Archaon Khorne Units Pics


1300913010130111301213013130141301513016

[Kirsten]

will definitely be picking those up

[Andrew Thomas]

Just need backpacks and they'd be perfect.

[Havik110]

Really hoping this isnt the last book. We need the lizards involved in the final battle.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Maybe they will be.

I like the Wrathmongers a lot. I like the Skullreapers much less. I think it's the heads.

[flipchuck]

Maybe this is the book that will have "The Final Battle".

[White Tiger88]

Maybe they will be.

I like the Wrathmongers a lot. I like the Skullreapers much less. I think it's the heads.

Both units look like there battle cry is "I pick things up & put them down"

[Kirsten]

I notice on the white dwarf page that is going round, Warhammer Archaon Abridged version, 96 pages. just the rules volume I would guess?

[Mr Mystery]

E-version.

[Erik Setzer]

Abridged shouldn't be the e-version. For one thing, those don't typically have page numbers. And also, the existing ebooks are the full sets, the fluff *and* the rules.

There was another ET Abridged book previously. Did anyone ever find out what that was?

- - - Updated - - -

Okay, looked it up, found this:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Warhammer-Thanquol-Italian-Abridged

Google Translate helpfully didn't turn out a bunch of gibberish. Basically, it's just the rules book, no story book.

At 96 pages, that sounds about right. But it seems those books are market limited.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

The abridged versions are just the rules, yeah. Softback at a cheaper price for those who just want numbers.

[Kirsten]

hard to see why you would buy an End Times book with just rules really, seems like it is rather missing the point :p

[Erik Setzer]

hard to see why you would buy an End Times book with just rules really, seems like it is rather missing the point :p

They might want to be able to play the games but can't afford the full books (and might not even have time to read them... I still haven't read all the fluff).

[Mr Mystery]

Interesting.....no referral made to Archaon being the final book of The End Times, just it being the fifth....

Hmm....

But either way, got me e-vouchers in, I merely await seven o'clock!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Well the new khorne infantry kit is up :

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120201028_KhorneWrathmongers02.jpg
Wrathmongers
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Wrathmongers

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120201028_Skullreapers02.jpg
Skullreapers
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Skullreapers

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/60040201005_EndTimesArchaonENG01.jpg
Normal book
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-Archaon-Hardback-English

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/60040201006_ETArchaonLTD01.jpg
Limited edition book
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-Archaon-English-Limited-Edition

Not my thing personally, but looks up to the usual high standard!

[Justus Ackermann]

Well that buy today was smooth as a whistle. Much better than Thanquol. Fine! Was kinda prepared for an hour of F5...

[Mr Mystery]

Paid for e-vouchers, code not yet received :(

[Erik Setzer]

Got my book ordered at the local store, just have to stop by and pay for it tonight.

Wrathmonger flails/whips/whatever look silly with the hammer ends, but they still look a lot better than the Skullreapers, who just look worse and worse to me the more I look at them. You have the awesome Morghasts, the sweet Blightkings, the excellent (if static) Stormfiends... and then the Derp Brigade of Khorne. Oh well, guess they can't all be good. And it seems they're carrying on the tradition of armored Khorne units (in WFB or 40K) looking meh.

[Kirsten]

one really simple thing I like, GW specifies that the softback version will be available soon.

one thing that often annoys me with GW is that they fail to adequately explain what is and what isn't limited edition, what formats things will be out on etc. a simple comment like that really helps.

[Brakkart]

Wrathmonger flails/whips/whatever look silly with the hammer ends, but they still look a lot better than the Skullreapers, who just look worse and worse to me the more I look at them.

Heh I'm the opposite there as I think the Wrathmongers look terrible, and yeah those hammer flail things are just bad, but I'm really liking the look of the Skullreapers, just the head's and the back banner poles I'm not too thrilled with on those.

[Kirsten]

I can't make up my mind about the infantry, I would be tempted to build some of my own instead

I think they would look a lot better without the large front chest armour, it looks too big for them. I think the skullreaper's armour looks better, but I am not a fan of the heads. I prefer the wrathmonger's heads, but don't like the armour. evidently I shall have to mix them up a bit. I will definitely have to buy a box and see them in real life, see the size etc.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

For me i think the individual components look pretty good, well detailed - especially like the weapons - but somehow when it all comes together it just looks "off" to me, especially the poses. I also think they'd benefit from a more grittier paintjob - GW's paintjobs always look too clean for my taste.

[Kirsten]

yeah, I definitely feel good models can be made out of the various bits. I don't like the bright red skin, I think if they were more normal flesh tones I would prefer them. possibly bits like skull crusher heads, shoulder pads etc. might help as well

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

The f*ck is that scorpion tail? That looks gash. Thank the gods it is separate.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

yeah, I definitely feel good models can be made out of the various bits. I don't like the bright red skin, I think if they were more normal flesh tones I would prefer them. possibly bits like skull crusher heads, shoulder pads etc. might help as well

I've been thinking in general khorne stuff would look more menacing if it was all painted in fleshtones with the GW blood for the blood god paint smothered all over the sharper implements, teeth and weapons ect to add the "red".

[Kirsten]

red armour is fine for me, I just don't like the bright red skin on those wrathmongers, looks a bit 80s cartoon.

[40kGamer]

red armour is fine for me, I just don't like the bright red skin on those wrathmongers, looks a bit 80s cartoon.

Have to agree, It reminds me of the old school paint jobs from the late 80s early 90s.

[White Tiger88]

So do we know if Archaon will have Throgg in his list?

[Mr Mystery]

Hard to say.

Gotrek jobs Throgg in Kinslayer, which is part of End Times.

But then, how dead is any Troll at a given time?

[White Tiger88]

Hard to say.

Gotrek jobs Throgg in Kinslayer, which is part of End Times.

But then, how dead is any Troll at a given time?

Lovely.......I am trying to plan what i need for my archy list =/

[Mr Mystery]

Yep, blinked.

Still no e-voucher code received, and GW Customer Service currently closed.

Dipped into savings, and a cash order placed for End Times Archaon.

Really a bit miffed at the voucher delay like. I ordered them around 1pm yesterday....

[Erik Setzer]

On the positive side of things, that Bloodthirster does look pretty awesome in person, without a stupid paint job. Painting them properly will actually look pretty good. I'm tempted to get one now if/when I can. But the way it looked in photos was... bleh. I still think it's kind of sad that it doesn't look as smooth as it should, and it's not just GW's style of doing some things out of proportion (not complaining about that style, it works), it just seems like the muscles and all feel a bit forced. Doesn't look as bad without edge-highlighting them all to show off how overblown they're done, at least.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

For someone who keeps asking, it sounds like the Grand Legion of the Everchosen is this: Everything from the list in Glottkin, plus all Chaos the stuff in the Archaon book, plus Skaven. There might be some more in there, but until we know more, that's all we have to go on.

(From the iBooks preview).

[Brakkart]

On the positive side of things, that Bloodthirster does look pretty awesome in person, without a stupid paint job.

Someone was putting one together in GW Taunton today that he'd just bought. Very impressive looking kit and that 2-handed axe is mahoosive!

[Bigred]

It looks like we get one last miniature as part of the End Times Archaon release.

via El Taller De Yila (http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/skarr-bloodwrath-nuevo-senor-del-caos.html#)3-9-2014

13070

Meet Skarr Bloodwrath:

M4 WS8 BS3 S5 T5 W3 I7 A5 Ld8

He's like a blood-fueled St. Celestine!

[Wh40k.Alex]

Saw the Empire/Bretonnian last charge in the new book... all i can think is

"Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered! A sword day... a red day... ere the sun rises! "

[nurglespuss]

Saw the Empire/Bretonnian last charge in the new book... all i can think is

"Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered! A sword day... a red day... ere the sun rises! "

Prefer the book ;p

"Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!"

[bumrush]

Has anyone talked about the new Archaon model yet?

[Bigred]

via Blog for the Blood God (https://www.facebook.com/BlogForTheBloodGod?fref=photo) (facebook) 3-11-2015

Skarr Bloodwrath Model Info

1307213073

[Mr Mystery]

Very nice!

[ACE01]

Got to say, I'm not moved by the new Khorne infantry units (new BT is lovely though!), and sadly the ET style we see here sets the tone for the future at style of the WFB universe.

Aside, don't know how useful this is to anyone (probably been posted around the forum, but i'm just back from a hiatus, so sorry if any duplicates), but just some stuff I heard as nowhere else obvious to leave it:

WFB Brets become Paladin Knight type archetypes (think champions of light) in the new setting
Ogres as distinct unit types gone. So are dwarves. Dwarf Slayer army the only remnant. LM are gone.
Skaven as we know also not there, new stuff built on the ET release stye to replace.
Very Large reduction in range.
New background is a result of Chapterhouse type IP cases as has been alluded. Look for the new miniatures to have a distinct 40k style (even elves) as a result. Load up on the cosmic grimdark WFB...

Oh and GW removing Hobbit range entirely, not just from retail. (Licence being shifted to Perry Miniatures?). Replaced by Horus Heresy (May) as everyone has mentioned.

[Erik Setzer]

Eh. Another model that looks like GW tried to go WarMachine style but asked, "How can we take the original WM style, but then turn the dial up to 'DERP'?"

ACE01, a lot of that's been floating around. Some of it's obvious from the End Times books released so far. Ogres lost their homeland as it started blowing up, and wandered off to join others. Dwarfs had their empire destroyed by Skaven, only the Slayers leaving with Ungrim survived given the way ET:Thanquol ended. In ET:Thanquol pretty much all the Slann died and the Lizardmen went to the stars. In White Dwarf last week, we see Skreech telling Thanquol they have to move Skavenblight to another world. And the leaked last page of ET:Archaon... well, you can't say much about that without it being spoilerish.

Hobbit stuff is obviously going to leave shelves, which is kind of sad, as it was actually a fun game once I got a chance to experience it. Horus Heresy has conflicting rumors.

[DrLove42]

Supposedly the last page from Archaon.

MASSIVE SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY. DO NOT READ IF YOU DO T WANT TO FIND OUT THE END TIMES.....END

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/received_10152864934993702_zpsoezhfnt6.jpeg (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/drlove42/media/received_10152864934993702_zpsoezhfnt6.jpeg.html)

[Trojan66]

Another lazy sculpt. They clearly get one great model properly sculpted ( nagash, blood thirster) then use this to spawn off as many smaller scale variants as they can ( spirit host, khorne crap) .
Such a shame the game is getting a total mauling, been playing for 25 years but struggling to see beyond end times.

[Erik Setzer]

There's a spoiler thread. Please post in there, not here. The spoiler thread exists for a reason.

[Deadlift]

I saw that SPOILER pic over on http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.co.at/2015/03/the-endspoiler-de-el-fin-de-los-tiempos.html

But what does it mean, is the whole world of WFB.....gone ?

[Dreadmeran]

I saw that SPOILER pic over on http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.co.at/2015/03/the-endspoiler-de-el-fin-de-los-tiempos.html

But what does it mean, is the whole world of WFB.....gone ?

It means that bubble-hammer may indeed be a reality... Or (and I feel like this will be the case) a new "Warhammer Fantasy Battles" game will be made, and the current one will be discontinued as in the sense that the 8th edition will be the last one, and we will have to separate games.


Yet, I have a weird fulfillment caused by this. I am liking that Chaos finally prevailed... And yet, I would like to know is whose "spark" that still drifts in the void, and what truly have happened to the Chaos Gods (I mean, the text says that they have started their game anew, but then again Archaon's whole plan was to destroy the Gods by destroying what gives them their power, guess we'll find out next week).

[Houghten]

I would like to know is whose "spark" that still drifts in the void

Starscream's, obviously.

[Horncastle]

Starscream's, obviously.

+1

[Erik Setzer]

It means that bubble-hammer may indeed be a reality... Or (and I feel like this will be the case) a new "Warhammer Fantasy Battles" game will be made, and the current one will be discontinued as in the sense that the 8th edition will be the last one, and we will have to separate games.


Yet, I have a weird fulfillment caused by this. I am liking that Chaos finally prevailed... And yet, I would like to know is whose "spark" that still drifts in the void, and what truly have happened to the Chaos Gods (I mean, the text says that they have started their game anew, but then again Archaon's whole plan was to destroy the Gods by destroying what gives them their power, guess we'll find out next week).


Well, Archaon only really knows of one world. He doesn't know the Chaos gods stretch across an entire galaxy, or universe even. He might not even realize that the two polar realms of Chaos on the Warhammer world were caused by dimensional travel portals breaking down. So his plan is, "Aha, if I destroy this whole world, they'll have nothing to feast on!" And yet, they know there's plenty to feast on elsewhere, so they're not worried, because in the short run they'll get a really, REALLY nice meal out of all the torment, suffering, and rampant chaos he unleashes on the world. His "victory" can be no victory at all, but he doesn't know it, because he's too shortsighted.

And I'd go for Araloth's daughter having a Reorigination device, given the way they described a cycle of the world being destroyed and reborn and her having the spark to reseed a new world with life.

[Mr Mystery]

Strikes me its thoroughly buggered 'Bubble Hammer'

Gone world is gone, new one seemingly created.

Unless it goes wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey

[Dreadmeran]

Starscream's, obviously.

I chuckled.


Well, Archaon only really knows of one world. He doesn't know the Chaos gods stretch across an entire galaxy, or universe even. He might not even realize that the two polar realms of Chaos on the Warhammer world were caused by dimensional travel portals breaking down. So his plan is, "Aha, if I destroy this whole world, they'll have nothing to feast on!" And yet, they know there's plenty to feast on elsewhere, so they're not worried, because in the short run they'll get a really, REALLY nice meal out of all the torment, suffering, and rampant chaos he unleashes on the world. His "victory" can be no victory at all, but he doesn't know it, because he's too shortsighted.

And I'd go for Araloth's daughter having a Reorigination device, given the way they described a cycle of the world being destroyed and reborn and her having the spark to reseed a new world with life.

Probably, as if I recall correctly, Lileath did send Araloth and his daughter to a new world to fill it with life.

The damned guy went to both polar wastes, and did go through the gates into the Realm of Chaos in order to get one of his trinkets, I think he is aware of the capability of Chaos as an entity, but your point is valid, he might not be aware that they are not only present in the Old World (which they only managed to enter thanks to the gates breaking down), but throughout the whole WHFB universe (yet how much do WE know about the rest of the WHFB universe?). Alas, I hope that they are not going the whole FB and 40K are in the same universe -and the Gods stretch through both- route again (Heavily armored bolter toting men from future was rumored to be in bubble hammer, so hurrah?).

[Trojan66]

i don't know about you guys...but this truley pi@&£s me off...to no end.




Probably, as if I recall correctly, Lileath did send Araloth and his daughter to a new world to fill it with life.

The damned guy went to both polar wastes, and did go through the gates into the Realm of Chaos in order to get one of his trinkets, I think he is aware of the capability of Chaos as an entity, but your point is valid, he might not be aware that they are not only present in the Old World (which they only managed to enter thanks to the gates breaking down), but throughout the whole WHFB universe (yet how much do WE know about the rest of the WHFB universe?). Alas, I hope that they are not going the whole FB and 40K are in the same universe -and the Gods stretch through both- route again (Heavily armored bolter toting men from future was rumored to be in bubble hammer, so hurrah?).[/QUOTE]

[Bigred]

Incarnates via El Taller De Yila (http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/perfiles-de-isabella-tyrion-y-caradryan.html) 3-11-2015


Isabella, Tyrion & Caradryan
130741307513076

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

They're all pretty insane, I love Isabella for my army. :p

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Starscream's, obviously.WHFB 9th ed., first leaked image:
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/6/64/TFLegends-DecepticonRaider.jpg
Edit:...I've actually drafted out rules for Transformers tabletop. The idea really appeals to me.

[Erik Setzer]

Alas, I hope that they are not going the whole FB and 40K are in the same universe -and the Gods stretch through both- route again (Heavily armored bolter toting men from future was rumored to be in bubble hammer, so hurrah?).

Well, if the Eye of Terror being in a map of the Realm of Chaos wasn't enough, we also have Draigo showing up in Khaine, and the Skaven accidentally calling the Eldar in Thanquol before freaking out and shooting the communications device. So... yeah, they pretty much nailed them back together pretty heavily.

The scariest thought could be that they just opt to say "Okay, Warhammer Fantasy Battles is done as a game, but we'll keep these cool models available as an option to buy for all you collectors out there who like the End Times models. The Skaven and Lizardmen, being not represented in 40K yet, will join the 40K universe as new armies, with new models to represent their new roles among the cosmos as the only survivors of the Warhammer world. Enjoy!"

I'd love to say that's not a possibility, and it's just a joke, but... well... It feels like it could happen. Then they wouldn't have to worry about trying to re-imagine generic fantasy races entirely and could focus on just one core rule set.

[silashand]

Pretty sure after 20+ years this is the end of WFB for me. I have no faith that GW can come up with anything even remotely interesting to replace it. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted I guess. I think I will have to go check out that Oldhammer thing I've heard about and maybe give it and and/or Kings of War a try.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

You can always just still play Warhammer, you know. Whatever the new edition or game is that comes out, you can still play with what you have. The Warhammer world had thousands of years of history in which you can still set meaningful battles and campaigns with friends. Hell. You can play sixth edition Warhammer if you like. They're not gonna call the cops on you for doing so.

[DrLove42]

Also crazy idea....rather than rage quit cos the setting is going to change and instead go play a different game entirely with a different setting, maybe wait and see what 9th actually contains? People have been calling for fluff advancement for years amd when GW does it in a dramatic exciting way everyone rage quits?

Its just occured to me end times and 9th ed prep is probably why Warhammer Forge has stopped production of new stuff

[Cap'nSmurfs]

That's a good thought. The concept sketch on Nagash in White Dwarf was dated Jan 2013. When did Warhammer Forge stop? About the same time...?

[Belial69]

Just noticed, but no heart of avelorn on tyrion. Guess that explains the resurrection, lol.

[Mr Mystery]

You can always just still play Warhammer, you know. Whatever the new edition or game is that comes out, you can still play with what you have. The Warhammer world had thousands of years of history in which you can still set meaningful battles and campaigns with friends. Hell. You can play sixth edition Warhammer if you like. They're not gonna call the cops on you for doing so.

Don't be silly.

GW's Final Solution was agreed years ago.

Everyone knows GW prints using flammable ink, and every cover has a small detonator hidden in it, preventing anyone using old books.

I expect the rules to remain, setting to change.

- - - Updated - - -


Also crazy idea....rather than rage quit cos the setting is going to change and instead go play a different game entirely with a different setting, maybe wait and see what 9th actually contains? People have been calling for fluff advancement for years amd when GW does it in a dramatic exciting way everyone rage quits?

Its just occured to me end times and 9th ed prep is probably why Warhammer Forge has stopped production of new stuff

Also, I speculated that yonks ago..


I shall be in the corner of grumbles :p

- - - Updated - - -


Also crazy idea....rather than rage quit cos the setting is going to change and instead go play a different game entirely with a different setting, maybe wait and see what 9th actually contains? People have been calling for fluff advancement for years amd when GW does it in a dramatic exciting way everyone rage quits?

Its just occured to me end times and 9th ed prep is probably why Warhammer Forge has stopped production of new stuff

Also, I speculated that yonks ago..


I shall be in the corner of grumbles :p

[eldargal]

I'm actually quite interested to see what is going to happen next. This is not the end of Warhammer, they aren't going to piss away the hundreds of thousands or more of pounds they have invested in it in the last few years. The end page says itself it's a beginning. I expect there will be a new Warhammer world similar to the old one but with no established story to get in the way of things so they can start a new narrative from the beginning. I really hope they use that opportunity to make it more diverse and interesting too.

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

Status Quo is broken, as if Francis Rossi has fallen from a windowsill.

We know the core of the game works - just needs some tweaking to allow smaller games to function as well as the larger ones (because smaller games can already be played, but miss much of the appeal of the rules).

But that's it. New Beginning is New Beginning. And given the sterling work done on End Times? I'm really quite excite for what might be coming.

[Erik Setzer]

Status Quo is broken, as if Francis Rossi has fallen from a windowsill.

When I read this, I just thought of the line:

"The status is NOT quo. The world is a mess, and I just... need to rule it."

I have no problem with change, but yeah, blowing up everything just to start fresh is pretty over the top. And I'd bet there were just as many people who liked having cultural armies in WFB.

[Lexington]

Also crazy idea....rather than rage quit cos the setting is going to change and instead go play a different game entirely with a different setting, maybe wait and see what 9th actually contains?
I think it's safe to assume that the same brain trust that just brought us "Skarr Bloodwrath" probably isn't going to be capable of replicating the original WHFB's depth. :p

[silashand]

You can always just still play Warhammer, you know. Whatever the new edition or game is that comes out, you can still play with what you have. The Warhammer world had thousands of years of history in which you can still set meaningful battles and campaigns with friends. Hell. You can play sixth edition Warhammer if you like. They're not gonna call the cops on you for doing so.

You obviously have no experience with games that have died in the past. Do you see anyone still playing Vor, AT-43, B5:ACtA, etc.? While there may be a few hangers on, the odds are good if the new game isn't palatable that people will simply move on to other things. I have seen it happen far too many times to think this would be any different.


I think it's safe to assume that the same brain trust that just brought us "Skarr Bloodwrath" probably isn't going to be capable of replicating the original WHFB's depth. :p

Probably the best way of saying this I have heard yet :).

[Denken]

A secret message was found in the End Times: Archaon spoiler! It confirms the worst...

Read from bottom to top...

13082

[Mr Mystery]

I don't get it?

- - - Updated - - -


You obviously have no experience with games that have died in the past. Do you see anyone still playing Vor, AT-43, B5:ACtA, etc.? While there may be a few hangers on, the odds are good if the new game isn't palatable that people will simply move on to other things. I have seen it happen far too many times to think this would be any different.



Probably the best way of saying this I have heard yet :).

Vor, AT-43, B5.....none of those were around for decades. Not really a fair comparisson.

[silashand]

Vor, AT-43, B5.....none of those were around for decades. Not really a fair comparisson.

No, but they were around for at least as long as 8th edition, the version that has the dubious honor of being in place at the time of WFB's decline. I'd say it's a perfect comparison.

[Mr Mystery]

No, it remains a flawed comparisson.

The games you mentioned didn't last because they didn't have a player base.

Warhammer has a large player base, and the models remain available. The others? Not so much.

There's people out there quite happily playing Warhammer Whichever We Please Edition already - all because the models remain available.

Then there's the assumption this means the end of Warhammer as we know ruleswise, something the most reliable of rumour mongers have stated isn't actually happening.

[silashand]

I'll believe you if by "large" player base you mean declining faster than an airplane without engines. Regardless what people claim on the interwebz, I have yet to see said "thriving" groups they keep saying exist. Not to say they may not, but it is a pale shadow of anything that was before. I know *FAR* more ex-WFB players (several orders of magnitude) than I know who still actively play any edition of the game.

Besides, playing an old game once in a while hardly equates to an active community. In every example of a game I have seen that died I have seen what I described earlier. I would be VERY surprised if this was any different in the long run.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

You joke about how terrible Skarr Bloodwrath is; the original, beloved writers gave us the city of Xhilipepa, Tichi-Huichi, the campaign for Thorskinsson's Island, Albion, where it always rains, "Duke Maldred", Golgfag Maneater, an entire Empire based on comedy hats and codpieces set in a nightmarish version of the 17th century German witch craze, and so on and so on. Warhammer's always been like this.

Storm of Chaos was amateurish nonsense in comparison. Everyone fights and there's a big war and then nothing happens. Great story.

[silashand]

I will give you the story aspect. I actually like the ET storyline. Much better done than Storm of Chaos ever was. I just don't like what it bodes for the game. JMO though...

[caseymoose1]

On a brighter note.... We get to watch GW piss eldargal off with a brand new world and a brand new cast of female characters for them to kill and exploit! Should be grand!

[40kGamer]

Vor, AT-43, B5.....none of those were around for decades. Not really a fair comparisson.

Maybe the transition from Epic to Epic 40k leading to the decline and death of the Epic game system is a bit better. Anytime you make a dramatic change to something you run the risk of losing long time customers.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

A secret message was found in the End Times: Archaon spoiler! It confirms the worst...

Read from bottom to top...

13082

LOL! Almost spat my tea out reading that haha

[40kGamer]

LOL! Almost spat my tea out reading that haha

Yeah... Denken is an evil git. :p

[bumrush]

So anyway, that new Archaon model, riding a three headed dragon, the dragon's heads representing Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch apparently, couldn't get the information about why Slaanesh not represented.

I don't play the games anymore, I don't know the fluff, I just paint these days and hang out with a lot of studio people.

[Lexington]

Warhammer's always been like this.
True, Warhammer did once have color, jokes and historical references beyond the most bloody and the barbaric; which is to say, it did a lot of things that are alien to the modern fantasy paradigm. Which, you know, thank God, as modern fantasy is a joyless hellslog of a concept that earnestly produces characters with names like "Skarr Bloodwrath." :p

[Mr Mystery]

Maybe the transition from Epic to Epic 40k leading to the decline and death of the Epic game system is a bit better. Anytime you make a dramatic change to something you run the risk of losing long time customers.

Again, all we have are vague rumours, which are often contradictory.

[40kGamer]

"Skarr Bloodwrath." :p

They're obligated to give 40k names a run for their money... :D

- - - Updated - - -


Again, all we have are vague rumours, which are often contradictory.

Honestly I will personally be stunned if GW makes a change that dramatic to a core game. Although I will be quite happy if they bring some form of hobbit rules into WFB skirmish.

[Dreadmeran]

A secret message was found in the End Times: Archaon spoiler! It confirms the worst...

Read from bottom to top...

13082

Round bases? Hahaha

[Erik Setzer]

Storm of Chaos was amateurish nonsense in comparison. Everyone fights and there's a big war and then nothing happens. Great story.

Eh... not really "amateurish nonsense." It wasn't bad except for the ending really pushing it in spots, and End Times feels like it has no end of deus ex machinas of its own. The WFRP setting was based in the post-SoC world and it was pretty interesting. It was a good time for GW to actually move the story forward, instead of just blowing up the whole world.

- - - Updated - - -


True, Warhammer did once have color, jokes and historical references beyond the most bloody and the barbaric; which is to say, it did a lot of things that are alien to the modern fantasy paradigm. Which, you know, thank God, as modern fantasy is a joyless hellslog of a concept that earnestly produces characters with names like "Skarr Bloodwrath." :p

That's my biggest problem with it. I could accept such a name, if they were still okay with some of the fun that was had with the Warhammer setting back when they had people who still knew joy and love in their hearts working on the game. But they decided it must be all serious, all the time... and then we get this kind of stuff. It's like the 40K universe's problem of running out of words to use, so it seems everything is Storm, Death, Raven, Blood, or Murder (like Murderface McMurderpants, who GW officially calls Murderfang, armed with Murderclaws, with a special rule called Murderlust).

Stop trying to act like it's a serious setting and we can have our fun again and you can sound like children without a thesaurus when naming stuff. But if you want to be taken super-serial, you need to not name things like this.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Who knows! Maybe a new setting will be more tonally consistent. (Hopefully!)

I find it hard to get too het up about special character names.

[Bigred]

End Times Archaon Formations
Summaries by Gary (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/MlDFg2S6Gl4/archaon-formations-leaked-information.html): 3-14-2015



image via Spikeybits 13117 3-14-2015

The Blood Hunt
Wrath of Khorne, bloodthirster Insenate Rage, and 1 unfettered fury, 3 units of bloodletters, 1 of bloodcrushers, and 2 of flesh hounds.

d3 units get vanguard deployment rules
all have hatred and can re-roll failed charges.

Army of Blight
Isabella, great unclean one, 3 units of plague bearers, 1 of plague drones, and 2 units of nurglings.

Enemy units have -1 leadership, their generals inspiring presence is reduced by 6″, and shooting attacks a -1 to hit.

The Host of Death
Nagash, Arkhan-mortarch sacrament, Krell mortrach despair, 1 unit of Morghasts, Morghasts Archai, Grave Guard, and Black Knights.

Arkhan get a +3 bonus to casting results
Grave Guard and Black Knight have WS5 and suffer two less wounds from unstable.

Host of Fire
Caradryan, 2 units of Asuryan, 1 unit of white lions, Har Ganeth executioners, and eternal guard.

Asuryan must take flamespyre
All models get devastating charge and flaming attacks
Wake of Fire at +1 strength

Throng of Metal
Balthasar Gelt, runelord, 2 units of thunderers, 1 unit of irongdrakes and ironbreakers, 2 cannons, 1 organ gun. 2 gyrocopters

+1 armour piercing and saves
on a 5+ warmachines and units armed with ranged weapons can shoot again.

The Beast Waaagh!
Grimgor Incarnate, 2 units of black orcs, orc boyz and Ogres, plus 1 unit of orc boar boyz, , ironguts, and leadbelchers, and 1 giant.

Orcboyz and Orc boar boyz must be upgraded to big uns
No units in the formation take animosity tests
All units benefit from waaagh and can re-roll one or more dice for charge range.

The Host of Shadow
Malekith, 1 unit of black guard, phoenix guard, wildwood riders, darkshards, black arc crusaders, high elf spearmen and a War Hydra.

No units have to take dangerous terrain tests and shooting attacks against Malekith or units within 12 are at -1 to hit
Increases Steed of Shadow to 36, and can do so multiple times.

Host of Life
Alarielle, Durthu, nasetra and arahan-must be mounted, 1 treeman ancient, 1 handmaiden, 1 sisters of avelorn, 2 glade guard, 1 deepwood scouts, 1 wild riders, and 3 units of dryads.

All units have regeneration, Durthu and treeman ancient get hatred against any enemy unit within 12 of Arielle.

Host of Light
Tyrion, Imrik, 2 high elf princes, 2 knight orders, 1 reiksguard, 1 demigryph knights, 2 lothern skycutters, 2 silver helms, and 1 unit of cold knights.

Gain +d3 result in close combat if they charged this round.
Hatred towards daemons and undead

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Not really into the model, but whats interesting is that it is the first plastic character to come on not 1 but 2 sprues, and with 20 pieces.

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99070201007_SkarrBloodwrath01.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99070201007_SkarrBloodwrathDetail01.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99070201007_SkarrBloodwrathSprue01.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99070201007_SkarrBloodwrathSprue02.jpg

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Skarr-Bloodwrath

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I quite like him. He's very Khorne.

[Kirsten]

wasn't sure about the initial blurry images, but I actually quite like it on reflection, will have to get one.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I wonder if we'll start to see more 2-sprue characters, perhaps they'll start adding more options into them too?

[Mr Mystery]

Really like the helmed head option.

[hirvaan]

But those chains on axes are just awful...

[flipchuck]

Also crazy idea....rather than rage quit cos the setting is going to change and instead go play a different game entirely with a different setting, maybe wait and see what 9th actually contains? People have been calling for fluff advancement for years amd when GW does it in a dramatic exciting way everyone rage quits?

Its just occured to me end times and 9th ed prep is probably why Warhammer Forge has stopped production of new stuff
Uh....they have been asking for fluff advancement, not fluff ending. GW destroying the warhammer world kind ends the game as we know it. Ends the game we all grew to love or grew up loving. No matter what GW does with 9th edition, it won be the same warhammer we knew. It'll be a different game due to it being a different setting with even different rules. We have been asking for a change in the fluff and a bit of change in the games, NOT a different game. If I wanted to play a fantasy game that was different then warhammer, then I would go play an actual different game.

No mater what GW does, it won't be the same game we all enjoyed. And yeah, of course we could still play warhammer 8th edition but it won be supported anymore, which means, it'll get harder and harder to play the game on a regular pace. Models and terrain will eventually fall apart or get lost and have hard time to replace. It'll be harder to add more to your army, unless you use Nonwarhammer models in which case, it slowly stops being warhammer game. Same thing has happened to Necromunda, Mordheim and even now Blood Bowl.

One person on this fourm was having the same argument about playing old games. That he "busts out" such and such game to play, even though it hasn't been supported in 20 years. But he only plays that game once in awhile. Not as much as we play warhammer fantasy (or will used to).

[Mr Mystery]

As ever, wait and see

No need to *****quit just yet.

And finally? Mannfred Von Carstein - now officially more of a spoiled, selfish penis than Joffrey 'Little *****' Baratheon!