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Bigred
12-26-2014, 03:13 PM
You read that right!

via darnok (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas) 12-24-2014


As most of you will know, the next release for 40K will be Codex: Necrons at the end of January. But...

Source #1

After that come.... Harlequins. Multiple plastic kits and clams over several weeks I think including new jetbike riding ones, is there a current or old name for them? These are called sky weavers.

Apply salt as usual, but this comes from my most trusted source. Unless there is anything big I'm unaware of this should be hitting February, or March at the latest.

Wow, the Harlequins (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Harlequins) last saw a full Army List in the Warhammer Compendium from 1991! (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Compendium)

ia Duffybear1988 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas/page8) 1-2-2015

Harlequin Minis Latest

"My friend has some of the new harlequin sprues and some fantasy stuff that's yet to be released as well! I'm going to see if I can get pics or more details, but he hasn't mentioned jetbikes at all so either they aren't coming out or he doesn't have those bits.

I've seen a blurry phone photo of something and another of a bag filled with sprues I couldn't identify from a quick glance.

6 figures included on the sprue (possibly one is a venom crewman).
No seer or jester on the sprue my source has.
Masks are separate to heads and there are far more masks than needed.
Lots of swords/blades for various poses.
Nearly all are in dynamic leaping/dancing poses on Eldar ruins.

I don't know about (Harlequin's) kisses. Right now I'm just passing on the details as I get them. We discussed it a little last night and think that it's possible there may be another sprue that he doesn't have that comes as part of the box. If that's the case then there may be a jester and seer as well as a troupe master included.

My source has the right contacts at GW and has no reason to make stuff up, but as usual take everything with a pinch of salt."

Harlequin rumors 1-3-2014


Harlequin Release is coming after End Times: Thanquol (unknown if this means immediately afterwards)
Release window is 2 weeks
Release covers, codex, 3 clampacks, 2 minis boxes

Kits described as:

- Seer (clampack)
- Master (clampack)
- Death Jester (clampack)
- Harlequin Troupe
- Harlequin Jetbikes

Rumors rated average, coming from known and unknown sources

Harlequin rumors 1-4-2014



Harlequins said to have access to the following transports:
-Raiders
-Wave Serpents
-Venoms
-Jetbikes
-Razorwings

Codex is described as:
- "thin"
- contains several formations
- no Lords of War

Relics listed as:
- "Special" Harlequins Kiss
- Mask
- Web of Skulls (remember this from the original Rogue Trader Dark Reaper exarch mini)
- "Special" Shuriken pistol
- a Glaive
- an Orb


Rumors rated average, coming from known and unknown sources

via nightfury (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/puZYtlaAXCA/confirmations-of-plastic-harlequin.html) 1-6-2015


"There are definitely plans for a plastic harley release though the time frame is not set in stone (nothing at GW is truly fixed in place and room is always allowed to alter the release scheduling to their whims.. only the next couple of weeks are put to print) an example of this error is a mention at the back of a recent WD refering to the the photo on the last page in every issue featuring usually the latest completed project of one of the employees in the "hobby bunker" this reference pointed to the weeks before model but looking back it was NOT the model spoken of shedding a little insight to the subtle changes that can happen on the fly with any periodical publication"

Via White Dwarf 1-19-2015


End Teaser says: "The Dance of Death"

via Steve the Warboss 1-19-2015


Regarding Harlequin Minis

-1 Clampack
-2 Box Sets
-First Set is a Jetbike Unit
-Second Set is a Combi for two Infantry Units

via gary's (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/fLcW6npEkN0/solitaire-rules-and-hints-of-whats-to.html) little bird 1-23-2015



A new Solitaire model. He is in a dynamic pose leaping into the air with one hand out front and his harlequin caress hidden from his target reared back ready to strike the final blow. the model is supported by his jacket on the base. He has a high collar with a demon mask on his face complete with two horns.

WS9 BS9 T3 W3 A6
Wargear
Holosuit, Harlequin's caress, Harlequin's kiss, flip belt

Special Rules
deepstrike, eternal warrior, fear, fearless, fleet, furious charge, hit and run, precision strikes.

Blitz- once per game can blitz. Roll a d6 equal to the turn number, and that is the distance he moves and ignores all models and terrain. When blitzing his attacks are increased to 10.

3+ invul save
Cannot ever be joined by another character, and cannot take warlord traits
Can move 12" in the movement phase.

Can take haywire
may take one item from the "Enigmas of the Black Library" list

Harlequin caress S: user AP - ,melee, Caress of Death any 6 to hit causes an automatic wound regardless of of toughness at ap2, against vehicles a to hit of 6 auto glances

Harelquin kiss S: user AP- melee, kiss of death. One attack is a kiss of death, resolved at S6 ap2 and if a 6 is rolled its instant death

Flip belt- not slowed by difficult terrain and no penalty for charging through cover. also 2+ look out sir rolls.

via gary's (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/PuQ43fOIvKg/here-are-harlequins-for-next-week.html) little bird 1-23-2015


-Harlequin Troupe: 6 models $40
-Harlequin Solitaire: 1 model $26

-The Masque of Vyle: by Andy Chambers Hardback 128pages $20

Also the hints for next week for issue 54 on Saturday 7 Feb
*The Dance Continues

via gary's (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/PuQ43fOIvKg/here-are-harlequins-for-next-week.html) little bird 1-23-2015

Unit of harlequin troupes are 4 Players and a Troupe Master according to next week's White Dwarf.

Wargear
Holosuit, shuriken pistol, close combat weapon, plasma grenades, flip belt

Special Rules
Fear, fleet, furious charge, and hit and run

Can include up to 7 additional Players
any model can take a fusion pistol or neuro disruptor 12" S1 AP2 fleshbane

Upgrades are a harlequin's embrace-S: user AP- melee embrace of death gives d3 hammer of wrath attacks at S6, harlequins kiss, and harlequins caress. Any model can upgrade
The Troupe Master can take one item from the Enigmas of the Black Library and can select a Starweaver as a dedicated transport.

via Dakkadakka's Panda (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/628189.page#7534936) 1-26-2015


Plastic Jester and Seer should be bringing up the rear of this release. Seeing how they have miniatures, they are the ones without IP risks, while Solitaire, Skyweavers and Starweavers (which also builds a HS alternative) come first.

This might well be a 4 week release, the largest since .. Orks or Space Wolves I believe?

Via Forge the Narrative (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative?fref=photo) 1-26-2015

New Harlequin mini spotted
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Harlequins are Official - GW Teaser Released


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2fDbwoBUE

images via Grot Orderly (http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2015/01/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html) 1-27-2015


Harlequin Minis
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daboarder
12-26-2014, 03:18 PM
RUMOR ROUNDUP - CONTINUED

pics via Baile de Mascaras (http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/harlequins-revelados-reglas-y-miniaturas.html) 1-28-2015

Harlequins in color

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Troupe & Solitaire Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI


White Dwarf Teaser for Harlequin Week 2: 1-31-2015


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Also note:

Masque of the Midnight Sorrow (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Masque_of_the_Midnight_Sorrow)

Sounds like the Transport is coming next week.


via warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas/page36) 2-1-2015

Harlequin Star Weaver details:

ezec:
Had a quick glance yesterday at a scan from an upcoming dwarf, with the jetbikes (skyweavers). The profile was there but I couldn't look at it, my source (gw) showed me the scan just to tease me... ;p

The bikes themselves are stunning, they look larger (actually longer) than the existing eldar / DE jetbikes. There are two riders on each : one driver and another harlequin standing at the back.

I didn't have time to see much more, sorry... But from what I saw, they look splendid!

Hendarion:
...Starweaver was rumoured to have a heavy dual-build option - I'm still not convinced, but I do believe them to be separate kits.


via Bolter & Chainsword (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302399-rumours-harlequins-jetbike-description/)2-1-2015

Super pixelated image of WD54 seeming to show the upper portion of a 2-man Harlequin vehicle

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via gary's (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/IuBh8LuWiUk/harlie-bikes-in-packs-of-2-and-codex.html) bird 2-2-2015


source#1
I can confirm Harlequin jetbikes are coming in the next white dwarf

The bikes come in packs of 2, and are described as being well armored, really fast, and they have models on them with multiple weapon load outs. Also the price is the same as the Harlequin Troupe box.

source#2
The codex will be Fridays pre release confirmed by a GW store manager the the other day.

Packs of 2 is a little odd, the Vypers and Jetbikes are both packs of three, although the price is about right if they are larger than the jetbikes, they would be the same price for two instead of 3.


via imgur 2-2-2015

Harlequin vehicles picture
Two different vehicles seen in this pic. closer one is very venom-like, background vehicle is narrower.
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bia warseer's barjed (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373859&viewfull=1#post7373859) 2-2-2015


BOOM THERE IT IS!
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via one of gary's (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/xPVCNlDIKWg/leaked-harlequin-skyweaver-rules.html) birds 2-3-2015
Harlequin Skyweaver Rules


WS5 BS4 T4 W2 I6 Sv4+
100pts gets you 2 skyweavers and you may take up to 4 more.
any model can replace the star bolas-12"S6 AP2 blast 1/use only but in addition to bikes guns, with a zephyrglaive-S+1/User AP2/3 Melee. first numbers are for the round they charge

any jetbike can replace the shuriken cannon with a Haywire Cannon 24"S4 AP4 blast haywire

Wargear, each one comes with a Holo-suit, star bolas, mirage launchers-1/game 4++vs shooting, and a skyweaver jetbike

fear, furious charge, and hit and run are the special rules.


image via blood of kittens (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Blood-of-Kittens/281405089788?fref=photo), Forge the Narrative (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative?fref=photo) 2-3-2015

CONFIRMED Skyweaver Rules:
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via L'Astropate and Tiller5 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7376235&viewfull=1#post7376235) 2-5-2014

First sightings of the Starweaver transport.

Tiller says:

Just picked up my pre orders from my local shop, and saw this nice bit of artwork on the instruction booklet. Forgive if I'm wrong, as I'm not much of an Eldar player (yes I know I've just bought some Harlequins, but they're so pretty!), but could the craft in the top left be the Starweaver?
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L'Astropate
Note the blurry vehicle in the upper right behind the jetbikes:
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via Captain Citadel (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21101-Eldar-Skyweaver-Wargears) 2-6-2015

Starweaver Equipment & WD Teasers
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Yeah - those Star Bolas are dirty!

Via Spikey Bits YouTube 2-6-2015


http://youtu.be/2eH1_Qme_eI?list=UUp4ClYmVjhmuS1V_6JjI20g


via one of Gary's birds (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/6ZLdEmJI81o/this-weeks-preorders-harlequin-codex.html) 2-9-2015


CODEX: HARLEQUINS
A 96 page full colour hardback Codex that contains new background, artwork, colour schemes and rules for the harlequins. RRP £30

HARLEQUIN STARWEAVER
A Multipart plastic kit making either a fast moving troop carrier or a heavy weapons platform called a Voidweaver for Harlequins.
RRP £25

WARRIORS OF THE LAUGHING GOD: A HARLEQUINS PAINTING GUIDE
A 168 page full colour paperback step-by-step painting guide for Harlequins.
RRP £20

All released next Saturday (Feb 21), pre-orders on this Saturday (Feb 14).


Via Warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas/page59) 2-09-2015


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ORIGINAL POST
And still no sisters.......


Stupid company

Archmike
12-26-2014, 03:22 PM
Harlequin Rumor Roundup Continued

via CaptainCitadel (http://imgur.com/a/poSEY) (imgur) 2-10-2015


New Harlequin kit is a combo kit, making skimmers Starweaver/Voidweaver
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via dakkadakka 2-10-2015
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Original Post


And still no sisters.......


Stupid company

I second this.


On the plus side, Harlequins! :O I'll belive it when it happens tbh.

Archmike
12-26-2014, 03:26 PM
Harlequin Rumor Roundup (Continued)

via Warseer's aracerssx (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7383355&viewfull=1#post7383355) 2-13-2015

Harlequin Psychic Powers & Enigmas of the Webway: (http://imgur.com/a/Y0n3X)
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Pics from the Harlequin painting guide preview from iTunes
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And still no sisters.......


Stupid company

I second this.

I'll belive this when it happens tbh.

blueshift
12-26-2014, 03:27 PM
Harlequin Rumor Roundup Continued

via warseer's Manwe (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7383826&viewfull=1#post7383826) 2-14-2015
DeathJester & Shadowseer Spotted

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Translations for above Formations and Rules


Scans for the Shadowseer and the Deathjester. Special rule with a name perfect for a James Bond film

La Morte Non basta (don't know how to translate this in English: Death is not enough?": if the shuriken canon kills a model in a unit target by the DJ, it passes a test just like it loses 25% of it's models, but with a -2 Cd (U mad, Mask of Secrets?). If the test is failed, the arlequin player choses the direction of the unit flight for this turn (like... right in front of an harlequin unit ready to charge? '-').

There are also some scans for the differents formations in the codex, certains with some restrictions (like "All units must have a starweaver", and others without.


By Gropius in the same topic


1 Troupe + 1 unit of Skyweavers + 1 unit of Voidweavers (Cegorach's Jest)
Every unit with Fleet can run and charge in the same turn from second turn onwards.

3 Troupes + 2 units of Skyweavers + 3 Starweaver +1 unit of Voidweavers
Troupes have to take the Starweavers as dedicated transports? Not Sure but I think the troupes can use Hit and Run to embark on the Starweavers. If Troupe leader is Warlord he can re-roll his trait when using the Harlequin tables.

The full detachment formation
Every unit with Fleet can run and charge in the same turn from second turn onwards. If Troupe leader is Warlord he can re-roll his trait when using the Harlequin tables. Units in the formation re-roll 1s when making invulnarable saves.


ZeroNoRyouki on Warseer translates


The formations are awesome! I'm Italian so I can traslate them for you if you like. This is the first one:

1) 3 Troups, 3 DJ, 3 SS, 1 Solitaire, 2 units of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers
Restriction: none
Special rules:
- outstanding performace (you may reroll inv saves of 1 for all the models of the formation)
- emissary of Cegorach (if the troup master is your warlord, you can reroll his harlequin's warlord trait)
- pressing Crescendo (from the beginning of turn 2, all units in this formation with the Fleet special rule can Run and Charge in the same turn) <-- this is huge!

PS: Crescendo is a musical term so i'm leaving as it is

Edit: the other 5..

2) 3 Troupes, 2 units of Skyweavers, 3 Starweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:
- each Troupe must take one of the formation Starweavers as a Dedicated Transport

Special rules:
- emissary of Cegorach (if the troup master is your warlord, you can reroll his harlequin's warlord trait)

- the aerial walk (one Troup from this formation can use his Hit&Run to embark in a free Starweaver from this formation. If the Hit&Run rolled distance is enough to move all models within 2" of the Starweaver the Troupe can embark immediately. If a consolidation movement is enough to move all models within 2" of a free Starweaver from this formation the Troupe can embark immediately) !!!

3) "company of actors"
1 Troupe, 1 DJ, 1 SS

Restrictions:
- all models from this formation must deployed as a single unit. DJ & SS can't leave the unit

Special rules:
- crusader
- heralds of the Laughing's God (any models with the Eldar or Dark Eldar faction (friend or foe) within 6" from one or more models of this formation gain the crusader special rule)

4) "Cegorach's jest"
1 Troupe, 1 unit of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:none

Special rules:
- pressing Crescendo (from the beginning of turn 2, all units in this formation with the Fleet special rule can Run and Charge in the same turn)

5) "way of heroes"
1 DS, 1 SS, 1 Solitaire

Restrictions:none

Special rules:
- Infiltrate
- shrouded
- stealth
- a lonesome path (models from this formation cannot join other units and no one can join them)

6) "Faolchu's Blade"
2 units of Skyweavers, 1 unit of Voidweavers

Restrictions:none

Special rules:
- the Wings of Faolchù (you may reroll failed cover saves while jinking with units of this formation)

Let me known if you need any clarification on the leaked DJ & SS pages

Edit2 : I'm reading on another forum (GW Tilea) that "pressing Crescendo" if the special rule for the Harlquins' detachment. The other rule is "emissary of Cegorach"


via warseer's ZeroNoRyouki (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas/page82) 2-15-2014

Harlequin Warlord Traits:


- DJ and SS can roll a D6 on the BRB tables or a D3 (that's not a typo) on the Harlequins ones
- The Troupe master can roll a D6 on every tables (BRB & codex)

"Light" table

1) the warlord reroll all to-hit of 1 (shooting & cc) and all saves of 1
2) 4+ inv for the the warlord
3) the warlord and his unit can add 1" every time they move (movement, running, charging, fall back, regroup, hit&run, consolidation, sweep etc etc)
4) you can add 4 to any roll to steal the initiative
5) before deployment, choose up to D3 units from your primary detachment. every unit gain one of: deep strike, infiltrate, scout (choose as you like)
6) immediately after deployment and after scout moves, you can remove from the table your warlord and/or up to other D3 friendly units with the Harlequins faction within 12" of the warlord. Any units removed this way may immediately deployed using normal deploiment rules or put in Reserve

"twilight" table

1) the warlord reroll all to-hit of 1 (shooting & cc) and all saves of 1
2) 4+ inv for the the warlord
3) the warlord and his unit can add 1" every time they move (movement, running, charging, fall back, regroup, hit&run, consolidation, sweep etc etc)
4) if the mission use variable lenght, you can add or substract 2 to the roll to determine if the game ends
5) any to-wound roll of 6 made by the warlord in close combat (or any to-wound roll of 5+ while making a Kiss of Death attack) gain the Instant Death special rule
6) once per game your warlord and his unit can make a "mirror leap" instead of moving: they can move 24", moving over other models and terrains like in open terrain but cannon end over other models or in impassable terrains. They cannot charge in the same turn

"darkness" table

1) the warlord reroll all to-hit of 1 (shooting & cc) and all saves of 1
2) 4+ inv for the the warlord
3) the warlord and his unit can add 1" every time they move (movement, running, charging, fall back, regroup, hit&run, consolidation, sweep etc etc)

4) enemy units in base contact with the warlord or his unit must roll an additional D6 while taking Fear or Morale tests

5) at the end of the game, before declaring the winner, you can move one time only your warlord and his unit like in the movement phase, than they can run or shoot like in the shooting phase, and, next, if you so desire, can charge and fight a single turn of combact like in the assault phase (the adversary can overwath and fight normally). If your warlord is locked in combat at the end of the game, he and his unit can only choose to fight an additional turn of combat. If the warlord unit is embarked, it can disembark but the transport cannot move or shoot. After the warlord and his unit have done this extra action the game end (finally I may say...)

6) if your warlord is removed from play while in a challenge, the players roll out immediately: if you win the roll out or if it is a tie the adversary of your warlord is removed as well

via warseer's Manwe (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7383826&viewfull=1#post7383826) 2-15-2014


Harlequin Deathjester

WS5 BS5 S3 T3 W2 I7 A3 Ld10 Sv -

Holosuit, Shuriken Shrieker Cannon, Flipbelt

Fear

Fleet

Furious Charge

Hit & Run

Independent Character

Precision Shot

Can buy Haywire Grenades, Enigmas of the Black Library

Death is Not Enough: If an enemy unit suffers casualties from the Shrieker cannon, it must make a Ld. check at -2. If it fails, the Jeath Jester determines which direction the units falls back on it's initial fallback move!


Harlequin Shadowseer

WS6 BS4 S3 T3 W2 I7 A3 Ld10 Sv -

Holosuit, Grenade Launcher, Shuriken Pistol, Mistave Flipbelt

Fear

Fleet

Furious Charge

Hit & Run

Independent Character

Psyker (lvl1, upgradable to Lvl2) (Phantasmancy, Daemonology, Telepathy)

Can buy Haywire Grenades, Neuro-disruptor, Enigmas of the Black Library


Confirmed from the physical codex:

by Warseer's ZeroNoRyouki (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7387951&viewfull=1#post7387951) 2-19-2015


Harlequin Tactical Objectives
11) Dance of Death
You gain 1 VP at the end of your turn if at least one enemy unit was destroyed during your turn

12) Hit and run
You gain 1 VP at the end of your turn if at least one friendly unit Hit&Run off a combat during your turn. If 3 or more unit do it, you gain D3 VP instead

13) Tricks and pitfalls
When you generate this objective, both players secretly select one objetive marker. You gain 1 VP at the end of your turn if you control one of those markers. If you control both or if you control one that was selected by both players, you gain D3 VP instead

14) The joy of lament
You gain 1 VP at the end of your turn if at least 1 enemy unit failed a Morale, Pinning or Fear test during your turn

15) Appears on the scene
You gain 1 VP at the end of your turn if you control the objective marker whose number equals the turn number. Can't be obtained from turn 7 onward [you don't say....]

16) Main attraction
(I'm rewording it)
At the end of the game you gain:
- 1 VP if your Warlord is alive. OR
- D3 VP if your Warlord is alive and the enemy one is not. OR
- D3 + 3 VP if your Warlord killed the enemy one during a challenge

Harlequin Allies
BB: Eldar and Dark Eldar
Conv: Imperium and Tau
Desperate: Orks
Apoc: everything else

You can't use the CAD or Allied detachment (because we have no HQ) so yes, only formations and masque detachment

Any Character can be the Warlord


ORIGINAL THREAD
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And still no sisters.......


Stupid company

yeah. but if they're going to do eldar, at least do exodites!

Path Walker
12-26-2014, 03:27 PM
Via Spikey Bits Forum (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20722-Codex-Eldar-Harlequins-Rumor-Round-Up/page2) 2-20-2015


Shadowseer and Death Jester Rules from the White Dwarf

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And still no sisters.......


Stupid company

Sisters got a codex this year.

Harlequins will sell. Sisters never did.

ElectricPaladin
12-26-2014, 03:28 PM
And still no sisters.......


Stupid company

What has risen may fall; what has fallen my rise.

Caldera02
12-26-2014, 03:42 PM
WOW....left field anyone?

Bahkara
12-26-2014, 03:43 PM
Of course, because eldar need the help.

daboarder
12-26-2014, 03:49 PM
I dunno man. I get this weird kick seeing everytime he comes up with some new innacurate information with which to defend his liege.

wayne williams
12-26-2014, 04:04 PM
well im happy to be getting some new eldar models if no one else is new jetbikes god yes please ill happily convert them to fit the rest of my craftworld . death jesters so much to work with if this is true ill be very happy.

however you sisters fans have my sympathy i hope you do get your new army soon .

Mr Mystery
12-26-2014, 04:18 PM
Strikes me Sisters are being worked on. Whilst not what was wanted, the codex released so far was more than just a thrown bone.

Whole range barring the Rhino needs to be redone in plastic, and to a standard that matches the metal ones, which despite being over 15 years old (can't remember precisely when though) are still some of the best GW have ever done.

At the moment, the model range lacks anything really uniquely 'them', leaving considerable scope for new units to be added - trick there of course is to add units which fit.

And it needs to be done right. As in Dark Eldar redo right, and then some (as not every model was a home run). Lots to be done. But they're bound to be on the way.

In the meantime, at least Harlequins aren't more Marines, so whining about it ought to be lower.

DarkLink
12-26-2014, 04:20 PM
I've heard plenty of times that they've been sitting on Sisters stuff for when they get around to them again. Of course, all GW would need to do is one announcement on "yes, next summer we will release Sisters with a full codex" and people would get jacked up for it, but this is GW...


I dunno man. I get this weird kick seeing everytime he comes up with some new innacurate information with which to defend his liege.

It's like watching nonathletic people attempt the Ninja Warrior Challenge, it's just kind of amusing.

Path Walker
12-26-2014, 04:48 PM
You got us, daboarder and I are actually the same person. Homes in Australia and California, live wherever we feel like depending on the season. Sometimes we just feel like arguing with ourselves over certain things for fun, and to throw people off the scent. We're also the only people who have ever, ever, ever bought any sisters of battle models, ever. And we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kid(s?).

2 people sorry, they better hope you're willing to drop 50k each then

Ezaviel
12-26-2014, 05:11 PM
You guys can call them trolls all you want, but there is truth there. Sisters have never been a popular army (I've played since 2nd ed came out, and I could count the number of Sisters armies I have seen in person on my hands, and that includes my own small Sisters army). It makes sense that Games Workshop would be more likely to re-release something else which might be popular than to re-release something they know has never been popular. Cool as a new codex and plastic Sisters would be, I just don't see it happening any time soon.

As for the number of Sisters players, in my experience the few people who play them tend to be a bit fanatical so they will always make more fuss and appear more numerous than they are.

Personally, I would rather they focussed on re-writing the older codices so we could cycle out stuff like Codex Eldar and get something more in line with the power level of the other 7th ed codices.

Asymmetrical Xeno
12-26-2014, 05:36 PM
I like these random things, the knight release last year was cool too. While I agree Sisters need an update, it's cool to see interesting things like this rather over the normal neverending Codex Cycle. if it brings cool new kits and cool backround then I'm game - and if it proves popular it might lead to things i'd like to see myself.

I could see this release (if it happens) being similar to the Tempestus/Storm Trooper codex.

Lexington
12-26-2014, 06:16 PM
Harlequins are pretty exciting to me, personally. Plastic kits would be rad, and they need to be excised from the Eldar book. Sisters would also be awesome, but they need an amount of effort and investment that GW may not want to put into anything right now, and understandably so.


At the moment, the model range lacks anything really uniquely 'them', leaving considerable scope for new units to be added - trick there of course is to add units which fit.
I dunno, the last time they tried that, we got Sisters Repentia and the Pentient Engine. :p

JMichael
12-26-2014, 07:09 PM
I really hope this comes true!
Sisters are one of my main armies, and while I hope for a redux I also am willing to wait for it to be done right.
Harlequins will likely include very few new models and probably be best as an ally and not designed to stand on their own.
Whereas the Sisters do require a total resculpt of and metal-plastic conversion and very likely new fluff and kits.

Brian Wesley
12-26-2014, 07:44 PM
You read that right!

via darnok (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas) 12-24-2014



Wow, the Harlequins (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Harlequins) last saw a full Army List in the Warhammer Compendium from 1991! (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Compendium)

Actually the last one was in Citadel Journal. I still have it.

33percent
12-26-2014, 09:16 PM
Nice can't wait !! :) but having their own codex??

YorkNecromancer
12-26-2014, 09:32 PM
New Sororitas would be lovely, but I doubt it'll happen.

And with the Repentia and Penitent Engine? They need to decide what they're for: are they elite melee killers, or are they expendable cannon fodder? Because they're priced like the former and statted like the latter.

With the Repentia, I'd say either make them at least as good as Death Cult Assassins (or why even bother having them in the codex in the first place?), with a bunch of special rules that let them swing their Eviscerators at something like inititative 6 (with a further rule that lets them count as being equipped with frag grenades), or else give them FNP 3+ and just be done with it, because at the moment, they're just turd as melee elites.

Alternatively, keep them as they are and make them 4pts each, because that's honestly all they're worth. Let them be the Sororitas equivelant of grots and be done with it.

As for the Penitent Engine, either make it a melee-focused Sentinel worth something like 35 pts and squadded in units of 5 (so at least one makes it into melee), or else give it an absurd number of attacks - like five or something - and make it a distraction unit; something easy to kill but that you simply can't ignore or it'll wreck your face.

I imagine what will actually happen is that they will stay as they are, and thus NEVER be sold or used.

Darren Richardson
12-27-2014, 03:27 AM
You guys can call them trolls all you want, but there is truth there. Sisters have never been a popular army.

The problem with the Sisters, has always been that they were an all metal army from 2nd edition, most of the other armies out in 2nd ed had at least some type of plastic figures out with which to bulk out the army even if they were just Monopose figures, such as the orcs and space marines from the main game, the genestealers and nid warriors from Space Hulk/Advanced Space Crusade, hell even eldar had plastic's from the Space Crusade expansion, but Sisters, all metal, and that would always put people off from seriously collecting them, and it's still the problem today.

GW just need to take that leap of faith and release them in plastic, there is a demand now for female figures for sci-fi, many other game systems and figure makers are already proving that....

daboarder
12-27-2014, 04:13 AM
GW just need to take that leap of faith and release them in plastic, there is a demand now for female figures for sci-fi, many other game systems and figure makers are already proving that....

And making a killing whille they are at it.

eldargal
12-27-2014, 04:16 AM
Hope it's true.

Darren Richardson
12-27-2014, 05:33 AM
And making a killing whille they are at it.

of course!

to keep on topic though 'Quin's would be a great small compact army for experianced modellers and gamers especially if they make them as plastic kits which can make several types of 'Quins from the single box, like the Grey Knights...

Heck it might even bring in new players, who would't want to model and paint a killer circus army! :p

daboarder
12-27-2014, 06:01 AM
I'd actually expect something more akin to militarum tempestus

Mr Mystery
12-27-2014, 06:23 AM
Quite possible.

Haven't got the book, so apologies for potential silly question, but I seem to recall Dark Eldar didn't have Harlequins?

daboarder
12-27-2014, 07:00 AM
Quite possible.

Haven't got the book, so apologies for potential silly question, but I seem to recall Dark Eldar didn't have Harlequins?

nope no harlies

Lost Vyper
12-27-2014, 07:02 AM
Yep, no Harlies in the DE -codex. This would be interesting, there should be Formations in the book (first for the Eldar!)? Let´s hope, that the Formations are not in the lines of BA, where you´d have to own a zillion models to make them work, but more in the Dark Eldar -Formations style...

FireHazard
12-27-2014, 07:16 AM
Never been interested in collecting space clowns but bring back Mimes and the oh so deadly, crazy-dancing Solitaires and it might just pique my interest.

I'm not sure they warrant their own full Codex though. Maybe a dataslate or, as Xeno suggested, a Storm Trooperesque 'dex.

Lost Vyper
12-27-2014, 07:38 AM
Some Nike s***, Just bring it! :)

Mr.Pickelz
12-27-2014, 09:35 AM
The only problem with a Harlequin army would be that I can't paint the little checker-board patterns on their clothing. I'm a little mixed on feelings towards Harlequins, on one-hand, I'd love to have the space clowns of doom make a comeback, but on the other hand, I'd be disappointed in my lack of ability to paint them correctly. :(

Jared van Kell
12-27-2014, 10:09 AM
Going Old School here. From way back in 1988.

12093

JvK :cool:

Lost Vyper
12-27-2014, 10:45 AM
The only problem with a Harlequin army would be that I can't paint the little checker-board patterns on their clothing. I'm a little mixed on feelings towards Harlequins, on one-hand, I'd love to have the space clowns of doom make a comeback, but on the other hand, I'd be disappointed in my lack of ability to paint them correctly. :(

My point exactly! But...IF they come, i will paint with my "skills" a much easier color scheme...

Darren Richardson
12-27-2014, 05:15 PM
The only problem with a Harlequin army would be that I can't paint the little checker-board patterns on their clothing. I'm a little mixed on feelings towards Harlequins, on one-hand, I'd love to have the space clowns of doom make a comeback, but on the other hand, I'd be disappointed in my lack of ability to paint them correctly. :(

but that's the thing, with the 'Quins you can let your imagination run riot and paint them however you want, hell you could try and use every single GW paint they make in that army, not one single figure needs to be painted the same way either!

Anggul
12-29-2014, 05:40 AM
I really, really, really hope this is a thing. Harlequins are my favourite faction in all of 40k and it makes me sad that GW have for some reason stubbornly refused to admit that they were only good in 4th edition and every rulebook since 5th has made them worse and worse. They need a real overhaul. Make them actually hard to kill like they should be.

I also request that this thread be renamed 'Codex Harlequins Humour Roundup'

Arkhan Land
12-29-2014, 10:58 AM
I'd actually expect something more akin to militarum tempestus

I think itll be more exstensive than the MT release but not covering much new eldar ground. with a sqaud sprue you can re-outfit speeders/vypers/venoms etc. with harly drivers, with some other minimal iconography the vehicles themselves. To give it the true og harly flavor theyd have to throw down on making some sort of warlock's sqaud or the death-jesters sqaud. I expect one or the other but not both. Personal long-long-shot desire would be a plastic webway gate about the size of an honoured imperium/cracked aquilla terrain piece

40kGamer
12-29-2014, 11:08 AM
Harlies are in my top 5 for most wanted releases... hopefully they will actually be playable with this release.

Defenestratus
12-30-2014, 05:54 PM
Two things twist my nits in my hobby right now.

People who complain about sisters not getting redone and people who ***** about wave serpent spam.

Harlies aren't really my particular flavor of tea but I'll be excited to see if I can plunder the models to make more craftworld goodies.

Eldar_Atog
12-31-2014, 01:43 PM
Getting a harlequin codex/supplement would cheer my cynical, curmudgeon soul. Mayhap this means there could be a chance someday of some rules/fluff that focused on exodites in a few years :)

40kGamer
12-31-2014, 02:17 PM
Given GW's unpredictable nature lately Exodites could actually happen. :p

Eldar_Atog
12-31-2014, 02:26 PM
Given GW's unpredictable nature lately Exodites could actually happen. :p

I'm a little doubtful.. just because it would require several new kits for a very niche army. Harlequins don't need many new models.. maybe mimes, solitaire, and some sort of upgrade kit...

40kGamer
12-31-2014, 02:30 PM
I'm a little doubtful.. just because it would require several new kits for a very niche army. Harlequins don't need many new models.. maybe mimes, solitaire, and some sort of upgrade kit...

With the death of finecast, Harlies will need all new plastic kits. But I suppose they don't need many. :)

Asymmetrical Xeno
12-31-2014, 03:55 PM
Some new details thanks to duffybear1988 on Warseer :
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7345095&viewfull=1#post7345095

More news -

6 figures included on the sprue (possibly one is a venom crewman).
No seer or jester on the sprue my source has.
Masks are separate to heads and there are far more masks than needed.
Lots of swords/blades for various poses.
Nearly all are in dynamic leaping/dancing poses on Eldar ruins.


My own opinion :
Love the idea of the masks being seperate to the heads, that should lead to a lot of variation, and it's just a really clever/cool idea on a technical level.
Glad the poses sound dynamic too - god i hate the bent knee poses GW does on a lot of models. Hopefully the other kits will be clampack characters. I want to see the return of the Solitaire, id buy one and I dont even collect eldar.

DarkLink
12-31-2014, 04:07 PM
I certainly hope they're dynamic. heck, if they're not doing cartwheels or something I'll be disappointed.

40kGamer
01-01-2015, 07:33 AM
Some new details thanks to duffybear1988 on Warseer :
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7345095&viewfull=1#post7345095

More news -

6 figures included on the sprue (possibly one is a venom crewman).
No seer or jester on the sprue my source has.
Masks are separate to heads and there are far more masks than needed.
Lots of swords/blades for various poses.
Nearly all are in dynamic leaping/dancing poses on Eldar ruins.


My own opinion :
Love the idea of the masks being seperate to the heads, that should lead to a lot of variation, and it's just a really clever/cool idea on a technical level.
Glad the poses sound dynamic too - god i hate the bent knee poses GW does on a lot of models. Hopefully the other kits will be clampack characters. I want to see the return of the Solitaire, id buy one and I dont even collect eldar.

Separate masks would make sense as it would allow mimes/harlies in the same basic kit. :)

Mr.Pickelz
01-01-2015, 10:45 AM
Separate masks would be great converting potential for Wraithguard/lord. Pop those masks on some of those Wratihblades (the ones with swords) and with a little cutting around the joints, you could have some really cool (sinister) looking Harlequin "Puppets".

Arkhan Land
01-02-2015, 09:20 AM
Ide be stoked to have big jester units, my main thing is I hope that harlys get some cool special rules to reflect their mastery of the webway, infiltration/deep strike/assault out of reserves/ etc.

Bigred
01-02-2015, 10:53 AM
ia Duffybear1988 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas/page8) 1-2-2015

Harlequin Minis Latest

"My friend has some of the new harlequin sprues and some fantasy stuff that's yet to be released as well! I'm going to see if I can get pics or more details, but he hasn't mentioned jetbikes at all so either they aren't coming out or he doesn't have those bits.

I've seen a blurry phone photo of something and another of a bag filled with sprues I couldn't identify from a quick glance.

6 figures included on the sprue (possibly one is a venom crewman).
No seer or jester on the sprue my source has.
Masks are separate to heads and there are far more masks than needed.
Lots of swords/blades for various poses.
Nearly all are in dynamic leaping/dancing poses on Eldar ruins.

I don't know about (Harlequin's) kisses. Right now I'm just passing on the details as I get them. We discussed it a little last night and think that it's possible there may be another sprue that he doesn't have that comes as part of the box. If that's the case then there may be a jester and seer as well as a troupe master included.

My source has the right contacts at GW and has no reason to make stuff up, but as usual take everything with a pinch of salt."

Anggul
01-02-2015, 11:04 AM
All of my want

Bigred
01-03-2015, 07:06 PM
Harlequin rumors 1-3-2014


Harlequin Release is coming after End Times: Thanquol (unknown if this means immediately afterwards)
Release window is 2 weeks
Release covers, codex, 3 clampacks, 2 minis boxes

Kits described as:

- Seer (clampack)
- Master (clampack)
- Death Jester (clampack)
- Harlequin Troupe
- Harlequin Jetbikes

Rumors rated average, coming from known and unknown sources

Bigred
01-04-2015, 08:12 PM
Harlequin rumors 1-4-2014



Harlequins said to have access to the following transports:
-Raiders
-Wave Serpents
-Venoms
-Jetbikes
-Razorwings

Codex is described as:
- "thin"
- contains several formations
- no Lords of War

Relics listed as:
- "Special" Harlequins Kiss
- Mask
- Web of Skulls (remember this from the original Rogue Trader Dark Reaper exarch mini)
- "Special" Shuriken pistol
- a Glaive
- an Orb


Rumors rated average, coming from known and unknown sources

Erik Setzer
01-05-2015, 08:55 AM
Hmm. Wonder if they'll print the rules for the transports in the codex, or tell you to buy two other codices so you have full rules for your "army." That sounds like a bit too much of a jerk move, but nothing's outside the realm of possibilities these days.

I'm not entirely fond of the idea of Harlequins in Wave Serpents, though. Raiders could be bad enough, if they have the Shrouding field available (so they jink and get a 2+ cover save, woot), but at least their armor is light and they're open-topped, so that's a downside to having something you can assault out of.

Patrick Boyle
01-05-2015, 11:41 AM
Hmm. Wonder if they'll print the rules for the transports in the codex, or tell you to buy two other codices so you have full rules for your "army." That sounds like a bit too much of a jerk move, but nothing's outside the realm of possibilities these days.

I'm not entirely fond of the idea of Harlequins in Wave Serpents, though. Raiders could be bad enough, if they have the Shrouding field available (so they jink and get a 2+ cover save, woot), but at least their armor is light and they're open-topped, so that's a downside to having something you can assault out of.

I don't see why it wouldn't. The Inquisition mini-dex had rules for all of it's transports; Land Raider, Valkyrie, chimera, anything I'm forgetting...

Eldar_Atog
01-05-2015, 11:45 AM
I don't see why it wouldn't. The Inquisition mini-dex had rules for all of it's transports; Land Raider, Valkyrie, chimera, anything I'm forgetting...

Yeah, they can always errata the rules after the eldar codex comes out.

40kGamer
01-05-2015, 11:46 AM
Hmm. Wonder if they'll print the rules for the transports in the codex, or tell you to buy two other codices so you have full rules for your "army." That sounds like a bit too much of a jerk move, but nothing's outside the realm of possibilities these days.

I'm not entirely fond of the idea of Harlequins in Wave Serpents, though. Raiders could be bad enough, if they have the Shrouding field available (so they jink and get a 2+ cover save, woot), but at least their armor is light and they're open-topped, so that's a downside to having something you can assault out of.

Kind of a throw back to the days when Harlies basically had access to everything. Also it fits nicely in the fluff where Harlies are the go between faction that interact freely with the entire dysfunctional Eldar family!

Erik Setzer
01-05-2015, 12:33 PM
Kind of a throw back to the days when Harlies basically had access to everything. Also it fits nicely in the fluff where Harlies are the go between faction that interact freely with the entire dysfunctional Eldar family!

Oh, yeah, I just meant having to face them. Thematically it makes sense that they'd have access to that stuff (and I could even see them "jacking" a Wave Serpent and repainting it). But a hard to kill transport carrying a squad of Death Clowns From The Webway? Yeah, not looking forward to that.

- - - Updated - - -


I don't see why it wouldn't. The Inquisition mini-dex had rules for all of it's transports; Land Raider, Valkyrie, chimera, anything I'm forgetting...

I've become jaded by the things they *have* done in recent years. Something might not make sense, but that doesn't mean they won't do it. (Have to say, I don't like feeling that way about a company, but they're getting close to EA levels.)

Eldar_Atog
01-05-2015, 01:25 PM
Oh, yeah, I just meant having to face them. Thematically it makes sense that they'd have access to that stuff (and I could even see them "jacking" a Wave Serpent and repainting it). But a hard to kill transport carrying a squad of Death Clowns From The Webway? Yeah, not looking forward to that.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Eldar close combat is a little risky. Their low toughness is always an achille's heel. You'll see fluff players using them but not the powergamers.

Erik Setzer
01-05-2015, 02:07 PM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Eldar close combat is a little risky. Their low toughness is always an achille's heel. You'll see fluff players using them but not the powergamers.

High Initiative and nasty weaponry. They can kill you before you fight back. Elves in WFB have "low" Toughness, too, but powergamers use them and beat the snot out of other armies, even in combat. Yeah, they can't take a hit back, but they can do some serious hurt before they can be hit.

Mr Mystery
01-05-2015, 02:14 PM
Warhammer Pansies are a different kettle of fish. Decent number of high quality attacks seriously helps them, especially when you're often re-rolling to hit. And most of the 'oomph' comes from judicious application of spell casting. S8 Witch Elves mess up everything.

40k? Not so much. If you whiff your own attacks, there's no re-rolls. Harlequins in particular tend to fold like a cheap suit if your opponent gets the chance to hit back!

Erik Setzer
01-05-2015, 02:19 PM
Warhammer Pansies are a different kettle of fish. Decent number of high quality attacks seriously helps them, especially when you're often re-rolling to hit. And most of the 'oomph' comes from judicious application of spell casting. S8 Witch Elves mess up everything.

40k? Not so much. If you whiff your own attacks, there's no re-rolls. Harlequins in particular tend to fold like a cheap suit if your opponent gets the chance to hit back!

I'm admittedly going on the assumption they'll make Harlequins like they used to be: Not that many of them, don't like getting hit, but hard to hit and they can beat the snot out of people fast.

I hope they go in that direction. Means they'll be kind of nasty with power gamers, not so great with newbies, but middle-of-the-road and fun for most players.

But so far all we have are rumors of models, nothing with regards to actual rules.

Charon
01-05-2015, 02:19 PM
High Initiative and nasty weaponry. They can kill you before you fight back. Elves in WFB have "low" Toughness, too, but powergamers use them and beat the snot out of other armies, even in combat. Yeah, they can't take a hit back, but they can do some serious hurt before they can be hit.

Fantasy Elves are different. Mostly because the armor system works different and the way you strike back is also different.
In 40k armor is stronger and killing 5 models doesnt mean that unit is incapable of hitting back.

Mr Mystery
01-05-2015, 02:20 PM
No more front rank wipes in Warhammer either now :) One of many improvements 8th Edition brought with it!

Erik Setzer
01-05-2015, 02:23 PM
and killing 5 models doesnt mean that unit is incapable of hitting back.

In WFB, killing 5 models doesn't mean that unit is incapable of hitting back. That rule died, I think in 7th edition. In 8th edition it's even worse because of the blood "horde" formation, so not only do guys just step up to attack, but you can get up to three ranks normally (though the ranks past the first only add one attack per model). You have to cut down a LOT of models before you start removing attacks from the unit striking back.

Mr Mystery
01-05-2015, 02:30 PM
Only an improvement in my eyes. Gave chaff infantry a fighting chance. Still not going to win many combats in a hurry, but prevented more fighty units engaging them with impunity, adding risk to the punch up phase. Witch Elves might well horribly murder Gobbos in combat, but Gobbos at least now prove a wee bit dangerous in a massive block!

Erik Setzer
01-05-2015, 03:30 PM
Only an improvement in my eyes. Gave chaff infantry a fighting chance. Still not going to win many combats in a hurry, but prevented more fighty units engaging them with impunity, adding risk to the punch up phase. Witch Elves might well horribly murder Gobbos in combat, but Gobbos at least now prove a wee bit dangerous in a massive block!

Well, that was the intent, but now you have people running Witch Elves and Chaos Warriors in the "horde" formation, and those are both Core Units, so you can afford blocks of 40-50 models (and they take up the Core Unit "tax"). WFB's kind of broken down into large wide blocks, even of elite units, smashing against each other. And Skaven, Goblins, Empire State Troops, Skeletons, stuff like that, they can't deal with a "horde" formation of Elves or Chaos Warriors. Put Swordmasters in a ten-by-four (or five) unit and you can potentially have 51 attacks, striking at Initiative (which is pretty high), usually hitting on 3+, Strength 5, -2 to save; attach Razor Standard for -3 to save. Similar situation with Chaos Warriors with halberds, only they's also T4 and have better armor. Rumors suggest 9th edition will try to fix that in some way.

One thing I still like in 40K, you have unit size limits, and they make sense. You only need 10 Harlequins in a unit to be nasty. Or, at least, you should, if they get back their old nasty tricks and get a few new ones.

And I feel like it's a bit odd that people are spilling rumors on AdMech rules and not Harlie rules even though Harlies are rumored to be up next after Necrons. Come on, give us something to chew on!

Bigred
01-07-2015, 12:40 AM
via nightfury (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/puZYtlaAXCA/confirmations-of-plastic-harlequin.html) 1-6-2015


"There are definitely plans for a plastic harley release though the time frame is not set in stone (nothing at GW is truly fixed in place and room is always allowed to alter the release scheduling to their whims.. only the next couple of weeks are put to print) an example of this error is a mention at the back of a recent WD refering to the the photo on the last page in every issue featuring usually the latest completed project of one of the employees in the "hobby bunker" this reference pointed to the weeks before model but looking back it was NOT the model spoken of shedding a little insight to the subtle changes that can happen on the fly with any periodical publication"

Erik Setzer
01-19-2015, 10:22 AM
From the Necron rumors thread:

"the end of the WD refer for the following week to "Dance of Death"."

Sounds like Harlequins...

Bigred
01-20-2015, 12:50 AM
via Steve the Warboss 1-19-2015


Regarding Harlequin Minis

-1 Clampack
-2 Box Sets
-First Set is a Jetbike Unit
-Second Set is a Combi for two Infantry Units

eldargal
01-20-2015, 03:12 AM
Nice, does want.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-20-2015, 03:19 AM
Ooo exciting, wonder what the other infantry unit would be?

Thaldin
01-20-2015, 03:00 PM
Troupe squad and a Mime squad maybe?

Power Klawz
01-20-2015, 08:01 PM
shootyquins and fightyquins?

Will be nice to have the options to put kisses on all of them though. Maybe they'll even let you go full power weapon for overpriced silliness.

DarkLink
01-20-2015, 08:17 PM
Or maybe it will be like Wraithnouns and you'll be required to upgrade the entire unit. No mixing weapons, at all, ever.

Morachi
01-21-2015, 10:20 PM
Quite keen on seeing how this pans out. I'd love to see an army list for a Masque rather than the general Troupe options we've seen from 3rd edition onwards. Very curious as to what unique units will present themselves, and the list of allies - I think the only Eldar subtype not represented in any of the rules if Harlequins make it in, will be the Exodites... amazed they've not latched onto the whole "Dinosaurs in 40k" market yet.

Henry Cabot Henhaus III
01-21-2015, 10:24 PM
If I remember the old fluff, would it not make sense to make them Allies of Convenience for all factions.?

Thaldin
01-22-2015, 11:37 AM
Hmm I think they would be more than convenience for Eldar and Dark Eldar...

For Chaos and Tyranids, I believe they would have no ally status

The rest... eh maybe convenience I guess...as long as they are fighting Chaos?

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-23-2015, 09:46 AM
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Here is next week

-Harlequin Troupe: 6 models $40
-Harlequin Solitaire: 1 model $26


-Horus Heresy: Tallarn Executioner John French hardback 125pgs $25
-The Masque of Vyle: by Andy Chambers Hardback 128pages $20
-Path of the Dark Eldar Omnibus: by Andy Chambers paperback 128pgs $17.50
-Warhammer Visions issue 13: 236pgs $12



Also the hints for next week for issue 54 on Saturday 7 Feb
*The Dance Continues
*Exclusive Warhammer 40k Mission
*Some Very Converted Orks

From :
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/here-are-harlequins-for-next-week.html



If that's true I'm VERY happy. I will at the very least be getting that Solitaire - my favourite Eldar unit of all time.

Path Walker
01-23-2015, 09:52 AM
Awesome news! I'm excited/ going to start a whole new army

Hopefully they'll be at least an even split if not more female than male

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-23-2015, 10:08 AM
Awesome news! I'm excited/ going to start a whole new army

Hopefully they'll be at least an even split if not more female than male

I must admit, it's tempting me to start an army too. Plus I actually like these mini-dexes and the limited choices they have, makes them easier to collect.

Defenestratus
01-23-2015, 11:15 AM
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Here is next week

-Harlequin Troupe: 6 models $40
-Harlequin Solitaire: 1 model $26


-Horus Heresy: Tallarn Executioner John French hardback 125pgs $25
-The Masque of Vyle: by Andy Chambers Hardback 128pages $20
-Path of the Dark Eldar Omnibus: by Andy Chambers paperback 128pgs $17.50
-Warhammer Visions issue 13: 236pgs $12



Also the hints for next week for issue 54 on Saturday 7 Feb
*The Dance Continues
*Exclusive Warhammer 40k Mission
*Some Very Converted Orks

From :
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/here-are-harlequins-for-next-week.html



If that's true I'm VERY happy. I will at the very least be getting that Solitaire - my favourite Eldar unit of all time.



OMG. Solitaire....


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
A new Solitaire model. He is in a dynamic pose leaping into the air with one hand out front and his harlequin caress hidden from his target reared back ready to strike the final blow. the model is supported by his jacket on the base. He has a high collar with a demon mask on his face complete with two horns.

WS9 BS9 T3 W3 A6
Wargear
Holosuit, Harlequin's caress, Harlequin's kiss, flip belt

Special Rules
deepstrike, eternal warrior, fear, fearless, fleet, furious charge, hit and run, precision strikes.

Blitz- once per game can blitz. Roll a d6 equal to the turn number, and that is the distance he moves and ignores all models and terrain. When blitzing his attacks are increased to 10.

3+ invul save
Cannot ever be joined by another character, and cannot take warlord traits
Can move 12" in the movement phase.

Can take haywire
may take one item from the "Enigmas of the Black Library" list

Harlequin caress S: user AP - ,melee, Caress of Death any 6 to hit causes an automatic wound regardless of of toughness at ap2, against vehicles a to hit of 6 auto glances

Harelquin kiss S: user AP- melee, kiss of death. One attack is a kiss of death, resolved at S6 ap2 and if a 6 is rolled its instant death

Flip belt- not slowed by difficult terrain and no penalty for charging through cover. also 2+ look out sir rolls.

Not sure if I believe them, but if so... awesome.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-23-2015, 11:35 AM
I'm going to guess that week 2 will be the Harlequin jetbikes and the codex book (kinda hope they get another clampack or two though)

Thaldin
01-23-2015, 11:42 AM
I have the original Solitaire in metal and love that model.... along with all the other harlies... This is always been one of my favorite parts of the Eldar... my friends back in the day would target them to the exclusion of everything else...

Those stats are beastly... I would be surprised if that was accurate, but then an old solitaire had what.. a 12" charge and +1 Attacks for every inch it didn't use? =)

Defenestratus
01-23-2015, 12:04 PM
I have the original Solitaire in metal and love that model.... along with all the other harlies... This is always been one of my favorite parts of the Eldar... my friends back in the day would target them to the exclusion of everything else...

Those stats are beastly... I would be surprised if that was accurate, but then an old solitaire had what.. a 12" charge and +1 Attacks for every inch it didn't use? =)

Gary says that the source that is providing this information has a 100% accurate track record.

Honestly, it wouldn't be the solitaire unless it was the ultimate glass cannon. He's a beast in melee but he will die to a simple 5 man tactical marine bolter volley if you are careless with him. Overwatch is even a threat to him.

40kGamer
01-23-2015, 12:11 PM
I can't wait to do a full Harlequin army.... although it will probably be my 2016 army since it will take for-ever to paint all those diamonds! :p

Charon
01-23-2015, 12:12 PM
Dont see how a S3 model without regular AP is a glass cannon... glass maybe but even with WS9 and 10 attacks thats around 2 dead MEQs...

Thaldin
01-23-2015, 12:13 PM
Gary says that the source that is providing this information has a 100% accurate track record.

Honestly, it wouldn't be the solitaire unless it was the ultimate glass cannon. He's a beast in melee but he will die to a simple 5 man tactical marine bolter volley if you are careless with him. Overwatch is even a threat to him.

True enough, Def. The Solitaire always required some finesse to get into place without dying heh. I may have to break out the old Harlie rules and re-read them just for the hell of it.

Bigred
01-23-2015, 12:17 PM
via gary's little bird 1-23-2015


-Harlequin Troupe: 6 models $40
-Harlequin Solitaire: 1 model $26

-The Masque of Vyle: by Andy Chambers Hardback 128pages $20

Also the hints for next week for issue 54 on Saturday 7 Feb
*The Dance Continues

Defenestratus
01-23-2015, 12:36 PM
Dont see how a S3 model without regular AP is a glass cannon... glass maybe but even with WS9 and 10 attacks thats around 2 dead MEQs...

We haven't seen any of the relics or "enigmas" yet.

The harlies kiss is a little bit of a let down... I'd prefer it would have stayed as rending.

Charon
01-23-2015, 01:01 PM
Harlequin caress S: user AP - ,melee, Caress of Death any 6 to hit causes an automatic wound regardless of of toughness at ap2, against vehicles a to hit of 6 auto glances

Caress is now the upgraded kiss.

40kGamer
01-23-2015, 01:04 PM
I just hope they are actually viable now. Harlies have been next to useless for years.

Eldar_Atog
01-23-2015, 01:04 PM
-Harlequin Troupe: 6 models $40
-Harlequin Solitaire: 1 model $26


Solitaire, Solitaire,
Does whatever a Solitaire can.
Kills a demon, any size,
Catches marines just like flies.
Look out! Here comes the Solitaire.

Is he strong? Listen bud—
He's got Eldar blood.
Can he run through the webway?
Take a look overhead.
Hey there! There goes the Solitaire.

Defenestratus
01-23-2015, 01:26 PM
More!!!!


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Unit of harlequin troupes are 4 Players and a Troupe Master according to next week's White Dwarf.

Wargear
Holosuit, shuriken pistol, close combat weapon, plasma grenades, flip belt

Special Rules
Fear, fleet, furious charge, and hit and run

Can include up to 7 additional Players
any model can take a fusion pistol or neuro disruptor 12" S1 AP2 fleshbane

Upgrades are a harlequin's embrace-S: user AP- melee embrace of death gives d3 hammer of wrath attacks at S6, harlequins kiss, and harlequins caress. Any model can upgrade
The Troupe Master can take one item from the Enigmas of the Black Library and can select a Starweaver as a dedicated transport.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-23-2015, 02:11 PM
Starweaver? I guess that would be the jetbikes, right? Or something else?

Eldar_Atog
01-23-2015, 02:40 PM
Starweaver? I guess that would be the jetbikes, right? Or something else?

I wouldn't think so. I've never seen them word jetbike upgrades like that.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-23-2015, 02:58 PM
I wouldn't think so. I've never seen them word jetbike upgrades like that.

Yeah, for reference I got that from this rumour last year :

via Darnok's Birdy on Warseer
After that come.... Harlequins. Multiple plastic kits and clams over several weeks I think including new jetbike riding ones, is there a current or old name for them? These are called sky weaver.
Unless there is anything big I’m unaware of this Should be hitting February, or March at the latest.

Ravingbantha
01-23-2015, 09:24 PM
Starweaver? I guess that would be the jetbikes, right? Or something else?

It's a dedicated transport, so either a new model, a variant on an existing, or a mistranslation. I'm not up on Harli lore, so I'm not sure if there is anything in their fluff that might match this.

Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer
01-23-2015, 10:20 PM
As the Dark Eldar Venom originated as a Harlequin-only vehicle, perhaps the Skyweaver is a Harlie-focused version.

shabbadoo
01-24-2015, 12:12 AM
Sure, they could just be putting Harlequin pilot bits for the Venom on the Harlequin sprue, similar to what they did for Wracks.

Archon Charybdis
01-24-2015, 07:57 AM
I suppose a Starweaver could be a "jetbike" in the same way a Vyper is--in name only, and represented by a Fast Skimmer.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-25-2015, 09:09 AM
Well, this got a whole lot more interesting if this is true :

From Panda via Dakkadakka :
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/628189.page#7534936

Plastic Jester and Seer should be bringing up the rear of this release. Seeing how they have miniatures, they are the ones without IP risks, while Solitaire, Skyweavers and Starweavers (which also builds a HS alternative) come first.

This might well be a 4 week release, the largest since .. Orks or Space Wolves I believe?


Hope all that is true, sounds like a much bigger release than the Militarum Tempestus (the closest thing to compare too) and would give them a decent amount of choice for a minidex.

Bigred
01-25-2015, 01:05 PM
Via Forge the Narrative (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative?fref=photo) 1-26-2015

New Harlequin mini spotted
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Bigred
01-26-2015, 02:28 AM
Harlequins are Official!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2fDbwoBUE

eldargal
01-26-2015, 09:07 AM
Yay!

40kGamer
01-26-2015, 10:42 AM
I could pop!

Thaldin
01-26-2015, 11:46 AM
Omg, do WANT.... I have always loved the Harli's and being able to field a real group of them again.. with seers, jesters, troupes... damn I am excited.

Oh as to the vehicle... Harlequins used to take modified Vypers or Venoms that had been converted for transport use if I remember right because "they fit through the webway".

I'm kinda curious about the "HS" option...

DrLove42
01-26-2015, 11:48 AM
*foams at the mouth and frantically saves every penny he can*

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-26-2015, 12:07 PM
The confirmation is nice even though we know now, I'm genuinely super excited about this - whenever people discuss "new armies in the game", (along with the usual suggestions like squats, exodites, traitor guard and mechanicum) - Harlequins are one of the ones people always say they'd like to see so it's pretty cool to actually see it happen.

i'm impatient for the full WD leaks...

Archon Charybdis
01-26-2015, 03:20 PM
Really looking forward to these guys. I have to say though, unless we're something, the Solitaire sounds a little disappointing, compared to his historical and fluff beastliness. On the charge he's a fair bit less killy than a comparable points worth of Incubi, and in most ways a lot less survivable. He might make a good distraction, but I'd have preferred him be more points and be more deadly.

Mr Mystery
01-26-2015, 03:36 PM
Speculation - that Stardancer thing?

I reckon it's a Flyer of some kind.

Just a hunch!

40kGamer
01-26-2015, 03:51 PM
I'm hoping for some weird new transport... all I can say is:

http://joeforamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Clown-Car.gif

DarkLink
01-26-2015, 08:44 PM
It's a custom Vyper that holds 20 Harlequins...

40kGamer
01-26-2015, 09:20 PM
It's a custom Vyper that holds 20 Harlequins...

:p

korgüll
01-27-2015, 12:57 PM
grot oderly has pics
http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2015/01/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html

Mr Mystery
01-27-2015, 01:00 PM
grot oderly has pics
http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2015/01/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html

Links to a blank page?

Kirsten
01-27-2015, 01:03 PM
works for me, they look good, pretty much just plastic versions of the current lot, as you would expect. some nice poses and extra details though

Path Walker
01-27-2015, 01:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/281405089788/photos/pcb.10153112947104789/10153112946759789/?type=1&theater

if thats not working, BoKs put them up on FB

Mr Mystery
01-27-2015, 01:07 PM
They got hard!

Harlequin's Kiss has taken some of the glass out of the cannon!

Neurodisruptor is nice too.

Also, Starweaver confirmed as a Dedicated Transport.

Path Walker
01-27-2015, 01:10 PM
Welp, guess I'm ordering at least 2 boxes and a Solitaire! To go with the 20 odd Harlies I still have unpainted, mix of modern finecast and Jes Godwin metals

Mr Mystery
01-27-2015, 01:11 PM
Well.

Not bloody 'welp'

Bigred
01-27-2015, 01:12 PM
images via Grot Orderly (http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2015/01/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html) 1-27-2015


Harlequin Minis
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DrLove42
01-27-2015, 01:15 PM
Holy. Sh*t.

To quote our most high eldar ladyness, ill be in my bunk

Path Walker
01-27-2015, 01:16 PM
Welp has been used online for years mate, I think started using it after watching Dumb and Dumber

Aldavaer
01-27-2015, 01:18 PM
The pics are there plus the rules for the solitaire and weapons, on a quick run through Gary's little bird looks accurate.

The 'quins troupe look pretty similar to the finecast box in pose but with changes to the base/groundwork. Solitaire I am not sure about, could be good but I would like to see a 360 to be sure.
Troupe rules say may take a starweaver as a dedicated transport no mention of other vehicles as dedicated transport.

Charon
01-27-2015, 01:19 PM
The solitaire looks gorgeous.. the harlies are nearly identical to my metal ones

Ruleswise they got more expensive points wise if you want to upgrade them. Solitaire is meh... S3/4 assassine without AP has no kill potential on anything that is worth sending a 145 points model after.
They also suggest to send him after lone heroes (rarely ever happens) or support units (any melee unit can do that for less points). On the bright side he has a lot of mobility and coupled with DE Venoms beeing solo is not too bad and the Blitz can possibly be utilized in turn 2 already.

Defenestratus
01-27-2015, 01:22 PM
Some of the wargear options I like. The embrace is something that seems a bit silly given that a harlie's base initiative is 7 and HoW isn't a big deal for them.

The kisses are situational and the caress is what the old 4th edition rending was.... love it. The Solitaire's blitz move makes a lot more sense than it did before.

Starweaver will most definitely either be open topped or assault ramped. Hello Banshee delivery system!

Mr.Pickelz
01-27-2015, 01:29 PM
These look fantastic, however is there any word on what become of the Death Jester and Shadowseer?

Anggul
01-27-2015, 01:29 PM
I like the caress, kiss, the Troupe Leader's stats and the access to a transport. Can't believe they still only have a 5++ though. They seriously can't even dodge as well as a Wych?

Path Walker
01-27-2015, 01:31 PM
These look fantastic, however is there any word on what become of the Death Jester and Shadowseer?

Rumours are saying they're coming near the end of the release window, so, jet bike squad box, star weaver in next weeks WD, then the Death Jester and Shadowseer

Charon
01-27-2015, 01:31 PM
They dodge better as it works against shooting too :D

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-27-2015, 01:33 PM
I like em' - very similar to the previous ones but I can notice subtle improvements. The Solitaire looks great too. Love the pic of the Necrons VS Harlequins too, ancient enemies :D

Eldar_Atog
01-27-2015, 01:40 PM
I'm not sure how effective they will be but it'll be fun to pull out my old metal harlies and the newer finecast ones too :)

Houghten
01-27-2015, 01:47 PM
Well.

Not bloody 'welp'

It's a word with its own subtle meaning, y'know, Mystery. Unlike "well," "welp" conveys a sense of "oh dear, I give up."

Dlatrex
01-27-2015, 02:26 PM
Flip belt stays! Well, now my poor Genestealers REALLY long for the days they could take fleshooks.

Happy that these CC monsters are able to keep the dance alive.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-27-2015, 02:28 PM
Flip belt stays! Well, now my poor Genestealers REALLY long for the days they could take fleshooks.

Happy that these CC monsters are able to keep the dance alive.

At this rate you might get a Genestealer cult as backup if they keep doing releases like this.

Thaldin
01-27-2015, 02:47 PM
Holy crap, yes... they embodied the Solitaire as far as I'm concerned. That Blitz attack is nuts and at once a game, I like it. And that sculpt... damnit I will have to buy one and just have 2 solitaires

completeHook
01-27-2015, 02:54 PM
12492

I really like the way the Holo-suit is represented on the Solitaire.

korgüll
01-27-2015, 02:58 PM
In colours: http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11580442-primera-foto-de-arlequines-eldar-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106146007

Eldar_Atog
01-27-2015, 03:06 PM
In colours: http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11580442-primera-foto-de-arlequines-eldar-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106146007

The solitaire is going to be fun to paint :)

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-27-2015, 03:11 PM
Love em' all - only criticism I have is I'm not really keen on that flying kick pose, doesn't click with me for some reason. Tempted to get a force of these though!

Lexington
01-27-2015, 03:12 PM
Welp. (:D)

Guess that's my next month's hobby budget spent.

Seriously, for all the problems with 40K as a game right now, and GW as a company, this is shaping up to be an exciting era for 40K players.

Cap'nSmurfs
01-27-2015, 03:24 PM
**** my life. These are amazing. Buying.

The Solitaire is one of their best-ever designs, personally.

40kGamer
01-27-2015, 03:47 PM
Welp. (:D)

Guess that's my next month's hobby budget spent.

Seriously, for all the problems with 40K as a game right now, and GW as a company, this is shaping up to be an exciting era for 40K players.

Have to agree! Somehow the game is simultaneously in the best and worst place I can ever remember. Good old GW. :p

Mr Mystery
01-27-2015, 03:54 PM
£10 to anyone converting them to Eldar Morris Dancers.

*hoppity skippity, wave your hanky. Skippity hoppity STAB'

Houghten
01-27-2015, 04:45 PM
I've just realised I'm not seeing Death Jesters in the Troupe entry.

Dedicated Heavy Support unit full of shrieker cannon, you think?

Mr Mystery
01-27-2015, 04:52 PM
I've just realised I'm not seeing Death Jesters in the Troupe entry.

Dedicated Heavy Support unit full of shrieker cannon, you think?

Possibly a 1-3 slot per heavy support, each deployed as an individual?

Defenestratus
01-27-2015, 05:10 PM
Possibly a 1-3 slot per heavy support, each deployed as an individual?


As the Solitaire is likened to the Imperial Assassin, I'm hoping that the death jester is akin to an Eldar version of the vindicare assassin :P

Thaldin
01-27-2015, 06:15 PM
Possibly a 1-3 slot per heavy support, each deployed as an individual?

This was their old squad style, I would like to see this back

Arkhan Land
01-27-2015, 07:17 PM
also back in the day I do believe they could take lascannons but that was before they diversified weapons for races, either way a different weapon choice would be cool. If theres no new clamshell for the jester maybe an alternate ammo like reapers?

and another thing, sans their addition to the troupe I wonder how shadowseers/harly-warlocks will work out, maybe the chance to give them some bonus mastery levels?

MorgothNL
01-28-2015, 12:31 AM
Does anyone know how one can actually field these guys? Will they be additions to Eldar/Dark eldar codex? (haha I'd wish), allies to Eldar/Dark Eldar? Allies to all? A stand alone army?

I actually don't like the idea of armies with many harlequins, don't think that suits them. They should be there to support an Eldar army, not to make war on their own in great numbers.

Boy am I going to be sad if everyone can ally these guys -.- .

Path Walker
01-28-2015, 04:12 AM
Sounds like it'll be a stand alone codex with an entry on the allies matrix, meaning with "come the apocalypse" everyone can use them, if deployed more that 12" away, probably available as Battle Brothers to Eldar and Dark Eldar

Mr Mystery
01-28-2015, 06:20 AM
There are rumours of a further kit to come - presumably Mimes (the only Mimes I don't actively detest. Stupid 'art' form that).

Wonder if they're doing a DE and Wych trick - giving enough female torsos across the two to make all male or all female squads with a bit of swappage.

Need to see the sprues to really tell.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-28-2015, 06:36 AM
Yeah, there was the rumour the Troupe kit made an alternate unit - which doesn't look to be true - but I suppose there is still the possibility of another infantry kit to come and they just thought it was a duel kit. i'm impatient to see what else is in store!

40kGamer
01-28-2015, 09:26 AM
More variety in the kits is always a good thing.

odinsgrandson
01-28-2015, 09:53 AM
I don't know if anyone else remembers this, but the last Harlequin army list was at the back of the 2nd edition Eldar Codex (they could be played separately, or included in an Eldar force).

I had a friend who played all Harlies, and it was pretty brutal.

eldargal
01-28-2015, 10:41 AM
I don't like the Solitaire model, leaving gender aside it looks more like a ranger than a solitaire. It should be more like the Shadowseer and be sinister and oozing Harlequinness. Huge disappointment.

Gleipnir
01-28-2015, 11:14 AM
Definitely tempted to start my Eldar/Dark Eldar collection off with the Harlies, just wants to see whats in the Codex first. Only thing that had me holding off thus far was dislike of finecast which the line is full of.

Defenestratus
01-28-2015, 11:56 AM
I don't like the Solitaire model, leaving gender aside it looks more like a ranger than a solitaire. It should be more like the Shadowseer and be sinister and oozing Harlequinness. Huge disappointment.

I disagree.

He looks like something right out of the Matrix which... hits my nerd nerve hardcore.

40kGamer
01-28-2015, 11:59 AM
My main Solitaire issue is the understated colour scheme. The model is crazy dynamic and showcases GW's mastery of plastic models nicely.

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
01-28-2015, 12:49 PM
Puke, those are so ridiculously aesthetic. My wallet hurts...

Kirsten
01-28-2015, 12:58 PM
I don't know if anyone else remembers this, but the last Harlequin army list was at the back of the 2nd edition Eldar Codex (they could be played separately, or included in an Eldar force).

I had a friend who played all Harlies, and it was pretty brutal.

yeah I once watched a 2nd Edition Harlequins vs Chaos Space Marines game, only about 12 Harlequin models on the table and they stomped all over the marines. the only Harlequin I saw die was killed by the predator it just destroyed blowing up...

Erik Setzer
01-28-2015, 01:10 PM
yeah I once watched a 2nd Edition Harlequins vs Chaos Space Marines game, only about 12 Harlequin models on the table and they stomped all over the marines. the only Harlequin I saw die was killed by the predator it just destroyed blowing up...

If you want to see that in 7th edition (where the CSM army will have like four times the models it had back then), just have someone pull out an Officio Assassinorum army. Played a 1000 point match against one with a relatively balanced Space Wolves army, I got mauled and think I maybe got in a couple of wounds. A Grey Knight army had a bit more luck, but was also wiped out with very minimal damage to the Assassins. And it was just four Assassins!

Harlequins got toned down (necessary if you want to sell them as a decent-sized army, or let people have fun playing against them), but others stepped up to take their place.

odinsgrandson
01-28-2015, 03:09 PM
If you want to see that in 7th edition (where the CSM army will have like four times the models it had back then), just have someone pull out an Officio Assassinorum army. Played a 1000 point match against one with a relatively balanced Space Wolves army, I got mauled and think I maybe got in a couple of wounds. A Grey Knight army had a bit more luck, but was also wiped out with very minimal damage to the Assassins. And it was just four Assassins!

Harlequins got toned down (necessary if you want to sell them as a decent-sized army, or let people have fun playing against them), but others stepped up to take their place.


Um, Harlies didn't get toned down after their 2nd ed run- they got discontinued. There was a long space of time when Harlies weren't even part of the Eldar force anymore. They've long been an element that gets jerked around.

By the way, I haven't seen the current Assassins Codex- what four Assassins make up the list?

Thaldin
01-28-2015, 03:12 PM
Somewhere, I think I still have their Citadel Journal rules and I know I still have the old rules from the Compendium... or was it the Compilation? I can never remember. They were pretty insane back then. I still get nostalgia kicks where i want to play Rogue Trader and use them from the Comp(x) book.

Path Walker
01-28-2015, 05:29 PM
Um, Harlies didn't get toned down after their 2nd ed run- they got discontinued. There was a long space of time when Harlies weren't even part of the Eldar force anymore. They've long been an element that gets jerked around.

By the way, I haven't seen the current Assassins Codex- what four Assassins make up the list?

There is a formation in the dataslate, Callidus, Eversor, Culexus and Vindicare, they get preferred enemy (warlord) and score an extra VP of the kill the warlord

Bigred
01-28-2015, 08:10 PM
pics via Baile de Mascaras (http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/harlequins-revelados-reglas-y-miniaturas.html) 1-28-2015

Harlequins in color

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Cutter
01-29-2015, 02:27 AM
pics via Baile de Mascaras (http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/harlequins-revelados-reglas-y-miniaturas.html) 1-28-2015

Harlequins in color

It fits into the grim dark and all, but I prefer the brighter days of 12526.

For me Death Jesters are black, everyone else should be proper spangle.

Not very fussed on the new troupe, the 15 non jester quins in RTB06 will do for three squads to start.

Might pick up 'Talk-to-the-Hand' to lead them.

After all, he's so wonewy.

eldargal
01-29-2015, 02:36 AM
I disagree.

He looks like something right out of the Matrix which... hits my nerd nerve hardcore.

I can see what you mean, but for me it still doesn't fit with a Solitaire is supposed to be.

My main Solitaire issue is the understated colour scheme. The model is crazy dynamic and showcases GW's mastery of plastic models nicely.

It does showcase their master of plastic models, it also doesn't look how a solitaire should look based on what little art and descriptions we have of them.

Charon
01-29-2015, 03:16 AM
We have only 2 Solitaires fleshed out. One is Motley who is so black/white that he appears grey and one who traveled with the Rangers in "Path of the Outcast".
Motley is a bit odd as he looks like a Trupe Master, while the plastic model is more related to older pictures.

12527

Cutter
01-29-2015, 03:42 AM
We have only 2 Solitaires fleshed out. One is Motley who is so black/white that he appears grey and one who traveled with the Rangers in "Path of the Outcast".
Motley is a bit odd as he looks like a Trupe Master, while the plastic model is more related to older pictures.

12527

The oldest reference I have to the Solitaire is this 12528.

Number 8 is the Solitaire, he's a veritable Multi-Coloured Swap Shop.

Cutter
01-29-2015, 03:57 AM
The oldest reference I have to the Solitaire is this 12528.

Number 8 is the Solitaire, he's a veritable Multi-Coloured Swap Shop.

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Death Jesters wear black, everyone else looks like a pimp circa 1974...

Charon
01-29-2015, 04:52 AM
Hard to compare as the colors are darker nowadays in general (just compare Ultramarines from the past to now)
Also most of the Rogue Trada era is not canon anymore as it got replaced by newer editions and backgrounds.
As the only one who plays Slaanesh they painted him in the same color their Slaanesh daemons are painted.
Picture is from 2nd edition codex.

Mr Mystery
01-29-2015, 04:55 AM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/Gonfrask/IMG-20150127-WA0005_zpsxsjyvwa1.jpg

Love the sculpt, but I can see why others aren't massively fussed.

I also now get the impression Wraithbone (for that is what he is leaping) is well slippery....

Charon
01-29-2015, 05:03 AM
I would not be surprised if a standing space marine fits exactly under his outstretched hand...

Cutter
01-29-2015, 05:12 AM
Hard to compare as the colors are darker nowadays in general (just compare Ultramarines from the past to now)
Also most of the Rogue Trada era is not canon anymore as it got replaced by newer editions and backgrounds.
As the only one who plays Slaanesh they painted him in the same color their Slaanesh daemons are painted.
Picture is from 2nd edition codex.

I've no objection to product development but, as most of my gaming companions also hail from the RT era, we collectively have a lot of time for the old paradigms. Some of my Dark Angels are black. At least one squad of Bangles I own have rank strips painted on their helmets, and they're led by a lieutenant who bears a lieutenants flash on his shoulder. I won't be painting rank strips or having any lieutenants in the squad of Bangle tacticals I just bought, but I think I'll be channeling my inner 17 year old when Talk-to-the-Hand hit's the painting table :-).

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I would not be surprised if a standing space marine fits exactly under his outstretched hand...

What a marvellous idea! I could lose that dodgey bit of archway altogether, though it might seem a little incongruous if you weren't fighting marines.

Mr Mystery
01-29-2015, 05:17 AM
Also, not sure if this as been covered - but from the description of how the new Harelquin weapons work, they are decidedly Harelquin. No 'SUDDENDEATHBANGSTICK OF LOEC'

Charon
01-29-2015, 06:35 AM
What a marvellous idea! I could lose that dodgey bit of archway altogether, though it might seem a little incongruous if you weren't fighting marines.

If you wanna go overboard with it, try to pin/magnetize the hand and switch models according to the army you are fighting :D

Cutter
01-29-2015, 06:43 AM
If you wanna go overboard with it, try to pin/magnetize the hand and switch models according to the army you are fighting :D

:eek:

mind: blown

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and with a little silver disc in his hand, he'd look like Iron Man.

All win, all the time.

Lord Mayhem
01-29-2015, 08:20 AM
I would not be surprised if a standing space marine fits exactly under his outstretched hand...

I had the same thought; a SM face under the hand, as if being pushed back. Then took it to "put a US football in the other hand and paint them in team colors..." I'm going to have to get a second Solitaire just for that. Should get Line breaker just by being on the board :)

Arkhan Land
01-29-2015, 09:12 AM
I had the same thought; a SM face under the hand, as if being pushed back. Then took it to "put a US football in the other hand and paint them in team colors..." I'm going to have to get a second Solitaire just for that. Should get Line breaker just by being on the board :)

I think this model is bound for a really off-topic photo-shopping thread...


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Death Jesters wear black, everyone else looks like a pimp circa 1974...

I dunno about that, One of our regular bar-flys was a pimp in the 70s and he was all dark + pin-stripes in every photo we've ever seen of him back then.


and still no word on the Shadowseer, no rules in the WD troupe listing makes me worry were going to have to stick it out with the finecast one till maybe the next eldar update... Ill be really happy if they sneak a plastic clamshell on us

Erik Setzer
01-29-2015, 09:14 AM
Um, Harlies didn't get toned down after their 2nd ed run- they got discontinued. There was a long space of time when Harlies weren't even part of the Eldar force anymore. They've long been an element that gets jerked around.

By the way, I haven't seen the current Assassins Codex- what four Assassins make up the list?

Oh, I meant the new list compared to the old list (or lists, if you count the CJ list) is toned down compared to what they used to be.

The Assassins are the same batch as before: Cullexus, Callidus, Eversor, Vindicator. And actually, I think it was six in a 1000 point force, since they're 135 to 150 points each. Which just makes it worse. Vindicares are nasty long-range shots that can crack vehicles, Eversors just shred squads (at range or melee), the Animus Speculum is sick... Really, the whole thing is just nasty, and looking at that "dataslate" on my Kindle right now is making me want to pull out some Assassins to throw in to my Imperial army.

Cutter
01-29-2015, 09:32 AM
I think this model is bound for a really off-topic photo-shopping thread...



I dunno about that, One of our regular bar-flys was a pimp in the 70s and he was all dark + pin-stripes in every photo we've ever seen of him back then.


and still no word on the Shadowseer, no rules in the WD troupe listing makes me worry were going to have to stick it out with the finecast one till maybe the next eldar update... Ill be really happy if they sneak a plastic clamshell on us

Fair enough, replace pimp with golfer.

"Fore!"

odinsgrandson
01-29-2015, 09:35 AM
I've no objection to product development but, as most of my gaming companions also hail from the RT era, we collectively have a lot of time for the old paradigms. Some of my Dark Angels are black. At least one squad of Bangles I own have rank strips painted on their helmets, and they're led by a lieutenant who bears a lieutenants flash on his shoulder. I won't be painting rank strips or having any lieutenants in the squad of Bangle tacticals I just bought, but I think I'll be channeling my inner 17 year old when Talk-to-the-Hand hit's the painting table :-).

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What a marvellous idea! I could lose that dodgey bit of archway altogether, though it might seem a little incongruous if you weren't fighting marines.

But you'll be fighting marines often enough that it shouldn't matter too much, right?

As for the Solitaire's design- he fits the artwork from the 2nd ed Eldar codex- at the time I remember being a little annoyed that the mini looked absolutely nothing like that piece of artwork. So, I guess everyone gets disappointed at some point.




I had the same thought; a SM face under the hand, as if being pushed back. Then took it to "put a US football in the other hand and paint them in team colors..." I'm going to have to get a second Solitaire just for that. Should get Line breaker just by being on the board :)

Ok- Harlequin Blood Bowl Team for the win. This is something that must happen now, don't you think? They'll probably want to be Wood Elves with the Solitair playing the War Dancer.


Oh, I meant the new list compared to the old list (or lists, if you count the CJ list) is toned down compared to what they used to be.

The Assassins are the same batch as before: Cullexus, Callidus, Eversor, Vindicator. And actually, I think it was six in a 1000 point force, since they're 135 to 150 points each. Which just makes it worse. Vindicares are nasty long-range shots that can crack vehicles, Eversors just shred squads (at range or melee), the Animus Speculum is sick... Really, the whole thing is just nasty, and looking at that "dataslate" on my Kindle right now is making me want to pull out some Assassins to throw in to my Imperial army.

Man, that Assassins force looks crazy. I wonder how it competes against a Lords of War heavy force. It just seems hilarious to have six assassins fighting against Imperial Knights and nothing else on the table.

Anyway, you might be right about the Harlequins. To be fair, the 2nd ed Harlequins weren't bad when compared to the normal craftworld Eldar- they were broken beyond belief.

-Swooping Hawk Exarch with Vortex and Blind Grenades was stupid to fight against, a Howling Banshee Exarch could have a jetbike and basically be unchargable, unbeatable when she charged, and would even crack shots couldn't hit her except if they rolled a 6- and sometimes not even then! And that's not to mention the Warp Spiders teleporting in to shoot, then teleporting back out without ever giving your opponent a chance to fire back.

Honestly, if you let your opponent get a decent shot at any of your troops, you weren't playing them optimally.

Charon
01-29-2015, 09:36 AM
Not quite sure how they did make the cut between 3rd edition and 2nd edition.

Back then a Space Marine was 30 Points, a little less special rules and basically a worse armor save as it got modified. Today it comes at 14 points and got more movement than in 2nd (4" it was back then)
Harlequins came at 25 points and had the same stats as today. The Harlequins Kiss was auto-included and was auto-wound, also their movemnt was 6" which was 50% faster than all other races (4")
Wraithguard uses to have BS/WS5 and 2 wounds (AV10 instead of T6)for the same points they are now.

Cutter
01-29-2015, 09:37 AM
So, I guess everyone gets disappointed at some point.

Very true. I'm being disappointed right now. But it's nearly time to go home, and tonight I build Wolf Guard.

Woof.

odinsgrandson
01-29-2015, 01:49 PM
Not quite sure how they did make the cut between 3rd edition and 2nd edition.


Well, they existed in the 2nd edition, then they got cut in the 3rd edition (they were never playable in 3rd).

Charon
01-29-2015, 02:26 PM
No, I meant pointswise. Was kinda like they flipped a coin if the unit is reduced in points by 50% or stay at the same points.
Solitaire with better stats was at 93 points back then.

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
01-30-2015, 04:36 AM
In reference to complaints about the Solitaire

1. No, he is not slipping on the terrain, thanks to grav-belts Harlequins basically defy gravity, and are incredibly athletic
2. For all those people going "but he's painted black, that's not very Solitaire", just paint him another colour for gods' sake, this is why the model comes in grey so that YOU make the decision how he/she will be painted
3. For me he looks infinitely less goofy and more gracious than the Jes Goodwin sculpt of old, Eldar models should look lithe and graceful, and all of the Harlequins pull of that look.

Cutter
01-30-2015, 04:46 AM
In reference to complaints about the Solitaire

1. No, he is not slipping on the terrain, thanks to grav-belts Harlequins basically defy gravity, and are incredibly athletic
2. For all those people going "but he's painted black, that's not very Solitaire", just paint him another colour for gods' sake, this is why the model comes in grey so that YOU make the decision how he/she will be painted
3. For me he looks infinitely less goofy and more gracious than the Jes Goodwin sculpt of old, Eldar models should look lithe and graceful, and all of the Harlequins pull of that look.

Not enough coffee?

Too much coffee?

Mr Mystery
01-30-2015, 05:36 AM
Death Jester specualtion....

Mr Mystery Predicts....

BS5

Heavy Support, 1-3 and can be deployed as individual models, but go down at the same time for sake of deploying forces.

Weapon options..... - Shuriken Shrieker Cannon (not looked at my Eldar Codex for months and months - but seem recall this is already there for Harlies?), Heatlance (DE style), Brightlance/Darklance/Skybluepinklance type thing.

Cutter
01-30-2015, 06:49 AM
Death Jester specualtion....

Mr Mystery Predicts....

BS5

Heavy Support, 1-3 and can be deployed as individual models, but go down at the same time for sake of deploying forces.

Weapon options..... - Shuriken Shrieker Cannon (not looked at my Eldar Codex for months and months - but seem recall this is already there for Harlies?), Heatlance (DE style), Brightlance/Darklance/Skybluepinklance type thing.

So your foreseeing some sort of 3 man box presumably with an f-ton of options rather than a clampack monopose with a shrieker?

That would be neat, certainly.

Hope you're right.

Mr Mystery
01-30-2015, 08:08 AM
Seems likely.

At the moment, they slaughter infantry, but can do precisely two third of fifty percent of nowt against anything with an AV.

Cutter
01-30-2015, 08:22 AM
Seems likely.

At the moment, they slaughter infantry, but can do precisely two third of fifty percent of nowt against anything with an AV.

Maybe the Starweaver will have an AT option, but I hope the DJs do too.

Defenestratus
01-30-2015, 08:44 AM
Hope they bring back the shrieker ammo that makes your enemies' heads explode (or go crazy). I would love to mix the effects of that with the hemlock and some runes of battle for a truly awesome trifecta of morale warfare (my favorite way to play the game)

Erik Setzer
01-30-2015, 08:46 AM
So your foreseeing some sort of 3 man box presumably with an f-ton of options rather than a clampack monopose with a shrieker?

That would be neat, certainly.

Hope you're right.


Eh... they could put together a clampack with a couple of weapon options. They've already done some like that.

40kGamer
01-30-2015, 08:48 AM
Seems likely.

At the moment, they slaughter infantry, but can do precisely two third of fifty percent of nowt against anything with an AV.

But the others can buy all the fusion pistols theY want, get within 3" and then die in the explosion. :p

I agree that the DJ needs access to a variety of guns to make them shine. Although if they can't hide in squads they'll likely go down before they do too much.

Charon
01-30-2015, 09:00 AM
Why should they need AT?

Harlequin caress:
40 attacks on charge each 6 to hit is a glance. On average rolls 10 harlies kill a knight.

Cutter
01-30-2015, 09:40 AM
Why should they need AT?

Harlequin caress:
40 attacks on charge each 6 to hit is a glance. On average rolls 10 harlies kill a knight.

When has need ever been the driving force of anything the studio produce :-) ?

Mr Mystery
01-30-2015, 10:05 AM
Why should they need AT?

Harlequin caress:
40 attacks on charge each 6 to hit is a glance. On average rolls 10 harlies kill a knight.

Because it's nice not having to rely on punching something to death perhaps?

Kirsten
01-30-2015, 10:11 AM
I rely on punching things to death.

wait, are you still talking about 40k? never mind.

>.>

Charon
01-30-2015, 10:13 AM
I don't think they will be a full standalone codex. More Militarum Tempestus stye. Yes you can play them as standalone but they do really suck if you try.

For all we know, the death jester will be a clampack... those are not known for their abundance of options.

Mr Mystery
01-30-2015, 10:15 AM
I rely on punching things to death.

wait, are you still talking about 40k? never mind.

>.>

That poor Badger.

Finnegan
01-30-2015, 10:48 AM
Hope they bring back the shrieker ammo that makes your enemies' heads explode (or go crazy). I would love to mix the effects of that with the hemlock and some runes of battle for a truly awesome trifecta of morale warfare (my favorite way to play the game)

Add deep striking Shadow Spectres with Exarch power Shadow of Death and Avenger Exarchs armed with Dire Swords for greater effect ;)

deinol
01-30-2015, 01:08 PM
But the others can buy all the fusion pistols theY want, get within 3" and then die in the explosion. :p

I agree that the DJ needs access to a variety of guns to make them shine. Although if they can't hide in squads they'll likely go down before they do too much.

I've had good luck with my unbound list putting five harlies with two fusion guns in a venom and flying real close to enemy vehicles. (Unbound because I have no dark Eldar infantry.)

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 01:12 PM
Harlequins are up for preorder - and they have their own tab under the Armies list now as I expected! super cool!
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?N=102296+4294967192&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table

it should be noted the Troupe is under Troops and the Solitaire under Elites.

Charon
01-30-2015, 01:20 PM
Counting 3 female torsi on the sprue so much for this rant.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 01:24 PM
I couldn't see that clearly, but that's great! I see the rumour about seperate masks for the heads is true too.

Actually looks like quite a decent kit and dare I say the price isn't too bad either - about £4 per model.

40kGamer
01-30-2015, 01:58 PM
I couldn't see that clearly, but that's great! I see the rumour about seperate masks for the heads is true too.

Actually looks like quite a decent kit and dare I say the price isn't too bad either - about £4 per model.

Very very nice. I really hope there is a fair amount more to come... Jetbikes and Mimes would be ace!

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 02:03 PM
Very very nice. I really hope there is a fair amount more to come... Jetbikes and Mimes would be ace!

Well, there was the transport that was also mentioned in the rules in white dwarf weekly, so there is that at least - I definitely hope for jetbikes too (and I hope the carapaces have evil demonic faces on them like those old ones! I LOVED those) - i'm not familiar with the mimes, they werent listed in my copy of the 2nd ed eldar codex so I assume they are from rogue trader?

Mr Mystery
01-30-2015, 02:04 PM
And importantly - 6 Harlequin Kiss included in the kit.

If we get Mimes, will they have the option of 'Harlequin's Quick Knee Trembler Round The Back Of The Bikes Sheds'

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 02:07 PM
http://youtu.be/nZUma7TH6gI

Guessing the artwork at the beginning is probably the Codex cover art

40kGamer
01-30-2015, 02:35 PM
Given how dynamic & detailed these models are this may be my favorite plastic kit released to date. Mimes were never in the Eldar Codex proper. IIRC they were in an old Citadel Journal or Compendium article/list. They would be a lovely addition to Harlequins but if I have to choose 1 more thing I want a jetbike kit based on the Jes Goodwin Eldar design from a few years back.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 02:38 PM
Given how dynamic & detailed these models are this may be my favorite plastic kit released to date. Mimes were never in the Eldar Codex proper. IIRC they were in an old Citadel Journal or Compendium article/list. They would be a lovely addition to Harlequins but if I have to choose 1 more thing I want a jetbike kit based on the Jes Goodwin Eldar design from a few years back.

It wouldn't be an Eldar army without a Jetbike unit of some sort, so I have to agree with you. Another infantry kit would be nice too though - if they were in Citadel journal I guess they never had official models?

40kGamer
01-30-2015, 02:42 PM
No official Mimes have been released to date. I've never even seen unreleased or concept models floated about by GW.

deinol
01-30-2015, 03:34 PM
No official Mimes have been released to date. I've never even seen unreleased or concept models floated about by GW.

I added masks to Rangers and call them mimes to get troops in my "Eldar" list.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 03:38 PM
"There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits."

Sounds like at least a few more kits, doesn't it?

Also, if you look at the backround of that harlequin art in the video I just linked you can distinctly see some kind of flying vehicle that might be the new skyweaver (?)

Thaldin
01-30-2015, 03:46 PM
It has been a very long time since I have pre-ordered anything from GW... on the order of years...

Pre-order in.

40kGamer
01-30-2015, 04:09 PM
It has been a very long time since I have pre-ordered anything from GW... on the order of years...

Pre-order in.

I had honestly just swore 40k off for 2014 and those rat *******s at GW went and roped me back in... out of all the 40k armies Harlies are my absolute favorite... and if we get the rumored bikes I might literally explode.

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"There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits."

Sounds like at least a few more kits, doesn't it?

Also, if you look at the backround of that harlequin art in the video I just linked you can distinctly see some kind of flying vehicle that might be the new skyweaver (?)

At this moment I am this excited
http://www.wtae.com/image/view/-/25607752/highRes/1/-/maxh/630/maxw/1200/-/13pbs9bz/-/img-penguins-screaming-baby.jpg

:p

deinol
01-30-2015, 04:22 PM
"There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits."

Sounds like at least a few more kits, doesn't it?

I noticed the mask for the solitaire is separate from the head, so you can give your solitaire one of the 13 masks from the troupe kit.

I assume the sky weaver kit will be similar.

I pre-ordered one of each. Will probably get a second troupe box eventually. Even if they don't make official harlequin jetbikes, I'll probably buy six dark eldar reavers and convert them. Masks for everyone!

Thaldin
01-30-2015, 04:48 PM
I noticed the mask for the solitaire is separate from the head, so you can give your solitaire one of the 13 masks from the troupe kit.

I assume the sky weaver kit will be similar.

I pre-ordered one of each. Will probably get a second troupe box eventually. Even if they don't make official harlequin jetbikes, I'll probably buy six dark eldar reavers and convert them. Masks for everyone!

Yeah, I bought 1 of each, and the book that is coming out. I figure I have enough old harlies that I can mix and match.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-30-2015, 05:05 PM
the most exciting releases the past year and a bit have been (for me) : Knights, the end times and now this. Much more interesting and exciting than the endless codex update cycles which I had been bored of for years. Not completely new but still fresh enough - A lot of people wanted harlequins as an army (along with the usual suggestions of admech, traitor guard, genestealer cults, exodites blah blah) so actually seeing one of these actually happen is a bit of a big deal and pretty awesome IMO.

Makes me wonder what they might do next as well. Could we possibly see genestealer cults, mechanicum or even a whole new alien race? It doesn't seem as unlikely as it used to in the past...

Jimmynurgle
01-31-2015, 12:53 AM
the most exciting releases the past year and a bit have been (for me) : Knights, the end times and now this. Much more interesting and exciting than the endless codex update cycles which I had been bored of for years. Not completely new but still fresh enough - A lot of people wanted harlequins as an army (along with the usual suggestions of admech, traitor guard, genestealer cults, exodites blah blah) so actually seeing one of these actually happen is a bit of a big deal and pretty awesome IMO.

Makes me wonder what they might do next as well. Could we possibly see genestealer cults, mechanicum or even a whole new alien race? It doesn't seem as unlikely as it used to in the past...

If they do release Genestealer Cults... I'm literally handing my bank account to GW... I've wanted them for years since the old Citadel Journal list......

Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer
01-31-2015, 03:23 AM
If they do release Genestealer Cults... I'm literally handing my bank account to GW... I've wanted them for years since the old Citadel Journal list......Especially since the Imperial Guard just got a fancy four "wheeled" vehicle. The Taurox is begging to be a "Cult Limousine."

eldargal
01-31-2015, 07:37 AM
Troupe looks really nice, still think the Solitaire sucks. Can't tell if tehre are two or three female torsos, leaning towards 2. More plastic kits on the way at least open up the possibility of a Dark Eldar style torso split so fingers crossed. Art an whatnot looks nice. If the book is good this could see my first really sizeable GW purchase in quite some time.

Gotthammer
01-31-2015, 07:42 AM
I think it's 3:

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120111001_HarlequinTroupe04.jpg

Top left & centre, bottom left.

eldargal
01-31-2015, 07:50 AM
Yay!

Mr Mystery
01-31-2015, 07:56 AM
Yep. I'm counting three there (well, six really)

Also a fan of the mixing of styles as they've done with the plastic Daemons. Cues from both the original Harlies and the more recent takes (massive mohawks for the early 90's WIN!)

eldargal
01-31-2015, 08:04 AM
I can't say how relieved I am. Also hoping the Starweaver will also function has an updated Vyper.

Mr Mystery
01-31-2015, 08:50 AM
I've just realised......

The WD entry for the Troupe says you can have up to 7 additional players, for a maximum Troupe size of 12.

But the DT part makes no mention of 'a Troupe of up to X'.

Part of me thinks they did away with such limitations, but can't be sure.

Could the Starweaver be Raider sized?

Charon
01-31-2015, 09:03 AM
Maybe they just realized that the DE Transport limitations are borderline stupid.
Want to join your Archon to his Trueborn? Better buy a Raider then... the Venom can't carry 6 Models.
I heard your Succubus wants to join her Wych Squad? Then better forget your special Weapons cause you can only bring 9 Wyches.

I can see Harlequin Vehicles have the following special rule:

Clown Mobile:
Add +1 to the Transport capacity of Venoms and +2 to Raiders.

Mr Mystery
01-31-2015, 09:12 AM
And in proper terms.....

I honestly cannot remember if they've done away with restricting DT availability to squads which can actually fit inside/on it?

If memory serves, whilst only the owning unit can deploy inside/on the transport, it can now pick up anyone once battle is underway.

Depending on what it's armed with (if indeed anything, with Harlies assume nothing), it could be a useful secondary tank hunter.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-31-2015, 09:22 AM
I hope the rumour of the Transport being a duel kit is true. So far they have 1 troops and 3 Elites, hopefully we will see at least one thing for each of the other slots. Perhaps jetbikes will be week3 (?)

Defenestratus
01-31-2015, 09:49 AM
I'm beginning to think that the "jetbike" unit and the "transport" unit might be one in the same, especially seeing how both at one point have been referred to as "Starweavers".

What would be cool, if this was the first vehicle squadron transport -- where one squad of infantry can take a squadron of venom-like vehicles as a transport. Would definitely be a new and unique mechanic methinks.

Mr Mystery
01-31-2015, 10:05 AM
I'm beginning to think that the "jetbike" unit and the "transport" unit might be one in the same, especially seeing how both at one point have been referred to as "Starweavers".

What would be cool, if this was the first vehicle squadron transport -- where one squad of infantry can take a squadron of venom-like vehicles as a transport. Would definitely be a new and unique mechanic methinks.

Ooooooooooooh............

Harlequin Chariot anyone? Pilot, and two Harlies on the back to do the fighting?

That would be pretty cool, especially if it has hit and run.

And by cool I mean 'deeply frustrating for your opponent because the scrawny sods won't stand still long enough for you to punch them'

Which is the same thing.

Sort of had that in 2nd Edition, when Vypers could have a fighting platform for a character rather than the gun cradle (no model ever produced).

Imagine a squadron of those upside your head.

Bigred
01-31-2015, 10:25 AM
White Dwarf Teaser for Harlequin Week 2: 1-31-2015


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Also note:

Masque of the Midnight Sorrow (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Masque_of_the_Midnight_Sorrow)

Sounds like the Transport is coming next week.

Arkhan Land
01-31-2015, 10:45 AM
I really want this thing to be able to fly in and out of the warp. this would make me happy.

deinol
01-31-2015, 01:24 PM
I really want this thing to be able to fly in and out of the warp. this would make me happy.

I'll just be happy if we can get a webway portal.

Arkhan Land
01-31-2015, 09:08 PM
Oh man that was one of my early dream pieces for this release, altogether I really love the Imperial WOM/Bastion/Aegis and I dream of the day perhaps that they offer at least that many pieces total for all the other xenos.

The Dream Team:

Spore Chimneys (again)
Webway Portal
Necron Necropolis
Great Statue of Gork, or is it Mork?
Tau Temple/Landing Pad
Re-release of Chaos Temple of SKulls with more 40k rules

as a start...

prof.squirrel
01-31-2015, 11:34 PM
personally, i'm thrilled. i still have the harley's i bought in (i think) '93 or '94, but i have always wanted more and different ones. PLUS, (even though i like the old rules more (so far, anyway), finally, a codex?! yes please, all around.

helline9
02-01-2015, 05:21 AM
I'm beginning to think that the "jetbike" unit and the "transport" unit might be one in the same, especially seeing how both at one point have been referred to as "Starweavers".

What would be cool, if this was the first vehicle squadron transport -- where one squad of infantry can take a squadron of venom-like vehicles as a transport. Would definitely be a new and unique mechanic methinks.

that would be AWESOME!!
I hope their transports Deep-strike, are open-topped and have a 'grav-chute insertion' type rule.
Can you imagine Harlequins back-flipping off venoms into combat... oh so cool!!

helline9
02-01-2015, 05:41 AM
i must also say i never ever thought that they would bring back Harlequins as a full army. I had resigned myself to the idea that the first army i had (yes i started with harli's) was effectively 'squatted' other than a occasional toned-down elite choice.

...so when they removed Harlequins from the game i got a new army. i thought well they're always going to support the Imperium (unlike Squats, Genstealer Cults or Eldar Harlequins) so i invested in Sisters of Battle ...yer that didn't go so well either...

Bigred
02-01-2015, 11:50 AM
via warseer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas/page36) 2-1-2015

Harlequin Star Weaver details:

ezec:
Had a quick glance yesterday at a scan from an upcoming dwarf, with the jetbikes (skyweavers). The profile was there but I couldn't look at it, my source (gw) showed me the scan just to tease me... ;p

The bikes themselves are stunning, they look larger (actually longer) than the existing eldar / DE jetbikes. There are two riders on each : one driver and another harlequin standing at the back.

I didn't have time to see much more, sorry... But from what I saw, they look splendid!

Hendarion:
...Starweaver was rumoured to have a heavy dual-build option - I'm still not convinced, but I do believe them to be separate kits.

Arkhan Land
02-01-2015, 12:02 PM
Harlequins are the clear winner of this year's blood-bowl

Power Klawz
02-01-2015, 02:41 PM
Guessing that the starweaver is a vyper equivalent with a transport capacity of 6. Might be able to build it with the same kit as the rumored Harley jetbikes, although that seems a stretch. Very intriguing stuff thus far, hoping for another infantry unit type and a shadowseer that's been expanded into the HQ section. Also wanting to see what the special issue wargear is, the fact that the solitaire doesn't come with any weapon options is either telling that there won't be any weapons, that the weapons will be harlequin style only, or just plain disappointing when you want to kit your solitaire out with the "Machete of Incorrect Equipment Nomenclature" and can't represent it on the model.

Hoping for a great harlequin model as well. Hopefully he gives a substantial combat boost to other harlequins in a certain radius. Also hoping the death jesters become their own unit and get upgunned to be at least on par with dark reapers. Relentless heavy eldar weapons being carried around by dudes with flip belts and invulnerable saves? Yes please, and thank you!

Bigred
02-01-2015, 05:43 PM
via Bolter & Chainsword (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302399-rumours-harlequins-jetbike-description/)2-1-2015

Super pixelated image of WD54 seeming to show the upper portion of a 2-man Harlequin vehicle

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Aldavaer
02-02-2015, 05:09 AM
Found the information below over on Faeit212

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
I can confirm Harlequin jetbikes are coming in the next white dwarf

The bikes come in packs of 2, and are described as being well armored, really fast, and they have models on them with multiple weapon load outs. Also the price is the same as the Harlequin Troupe box.

via a second anonymous source on Faeit 212
The codex will be Fridays pre release confirmed by a GW store manager the the other day.

Packs of 2 is a little odd, the Vypers and Jetbikes are both packs of three, although the price is about right if they are larger than the jetbikes, they would be the same price for two instead of 3.

eldargal
02-02-2015, 08:14 AM
Really looking forward to this release. Never really thought we would see a third Eldar faction with it's own book.

Mr Mystery
02-02-2015, 08:37 AM
Moar variety is always welcome in my book.

And Harlies represent what 40k does best - taking something essentially completely ridiculous (in this case, prancing space clowns), and actually make it incredibly cool.

eldargal
02-02-2015, 08:42 AM
Yup. With luck it might even spark some ideas at Forge World.

Asymmetrical Xeno
02-02-2015, 09:00 AM
A VERY tiny pic here :
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/302399-rumours-harlequins-jetbike-pictures/?p=3938508


Looks like a new Death Jester as well as the jetbikes.