End Times 4 Rumor Roundup

[Bigred]

Previous Rumors:
End Times 4 : Skaven
Release date: January 2015

via Faeit (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/EE9shOzlM1A/cover-of-end-times-4-seen-its-skaven.html) 12-24-2015


(Anonymous Source 1) We saw the new cover art for endtimes 4. It's rat caster riding some Monster with a cannon. (Sorry not to familiar with skaven)The new white dwarf has new skaven monsterous creature as the front covers but that's all i saw.

(Anonymous Source 2) Plastic Vermin Lord to make 5 different kits in white dwarf 49.

white dwarf 2 weeks from now will feature the release of a plastic
vermin lord kit, will make 5 alternate models with different themes. 1
Eshin, 1 Grey Seer, 1 Warlord, 1 Moulder and one supposed "Vermin King".

Eshin one can be skitterleapt and gets re-rolls to cast skitterleap, grey
seer one always gets 6 on the d6+1 part of warp lightning casts. No further
information about the others or point costs, but alledgedly he's going to

be about the same dimesnsions as Nagash.

via Forge the Narrative (https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative?fref=photo) 12-24-2014


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images via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/12/nuovo-grande-infesto-regole.html) 12-25-2014

Vermin Lord Rules

"Came the rules of the Great Deceiver infested, one of the five options of assembly for this new kit. Not everyone knows the rules in English, so let's see the translation. Unfortunately there is a word not visible due to the reflection of light on the page, but it's just the name of a magic weapon, then you will not find a rule truncated."

English Tranlation (Google Translate, so you will need to "read between the lines" when it gets wierd)


Great Deceiver Infested
500 Pts

M8 AC8 AB4 FO6 R6 FE6 I10 A5 D8
Type you Troop : Monster Character

A Great Deceiver infested can be included in a Skaven army . His point cost falls within the maximum affordable for Lords .

MAGIC : A Great Deceiver infested is a Wizard of Level 4. One of his spells to be Agile Dodge ; the remaining can be generated by Knowledge Skaven Plague of Ruin or in any combination .

SPECIAL RULES : Immune to Psychology , Large Target , Terror , Street Racing !

Demonic attacks : attacks made by a model with this special rule are magic . This includes any special attack , and draft Trampling .

Protection of the Horned Rat : a model with this special rule has a saving throw 5+ . Demon Rat : A Great Deceiver is a demon infested and is influenced by any rule , abilities , weapons , spells , etc. that affect the Demons . Can never be the General of the Army.

Wrapped in the Dark : enemy units that target the Great infested with a shooting attack suffer a -1 modifier to the attack roll , in addition to any other modifiers .

Walker Darkness : A Great Deceiver infested can repeat attempts failed to launch the spell Agile Dodge and can choose himself as the target of the spell .

MAGIC ITEMS :

Stiletto Warp : Magic Weapon . Attacks made with this weapon have special rules Armour Piercing and Poisoned Attacks .

??? : Magic Weapon . This is a missile weapon with the following profile : Height 12 " Force User Special Rules Death in Arco , Poisoned Attacks , Quick Shot

Death at Arco : a weapon with this special rule makes a number of attacks equal to the number of models in that range are in the front rank of the target unit .

In addition to the complete rules of the Great Deceiver infested , there is some small detail on other Great infest .

- All the Great infest have I10
- The third type of Big infested is called King of Worms Skreech
- The King of Worms Skreech always knows the Thirteenth Enchantment and repeated shots failed to launch it.
- The Great infested most expensive reaches 650 pts

Original Text (Italian)


Grande Infesto Ingannatore

500 P.ti

M8 AC8 AB4 Fo6 R6 Fe6 I10 A5 D8

Tipo ti Truppa: Mostro Personaggio

Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore può essere incluso in un esercito di Skaven. Il suo costo in punti rientra nel massimo acquistabile per i Grandi Eroi.

MAGIA:
Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore è un Mago di Livello 4. Uno dei suoi incantesimi deve essere Agile Balzo; i restanti possono essere generati dai Saperi Skaven della Rovina o della Peste in qualsiasi combi****one.

REGOLE SPECIALI:Immune alla Psicologia, Bersaglio Grande, Terrore, Via di Corsa!

Attacchi Demoniaci: gli attacchi effettuati da un modello con questa regola speciale sono magici. Questo include qualsiasi attacco speciale, da tiro e da Calpestamento.

Protezione del Ratto Cornuto: un modello con questa regola speciale ha un Tiro Salvezza 5+.

Demone Ratto: Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore è un Demone ed è influenzato da qualsiasi regola, abilità, arma, incantesimo e così via che influenzi i Demoni. Non può essere mai il Generale dell'Armata.

Avvolto nell'Oscurità: le unità nemiche che bersagliano il Grande Infesto con un attacco da tiro subiscono un modificatore -1 al Tiro per Colpire, oltre a qualsiasi altro modificatore.

Camminatore dell'Oscurità: Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore può ripetere i tentativi di lancio falliti per l'incantesimo Agile Balzo e può scegliere se stesso come bersaglio dell'incantesimo.

OGGETTI MAGICI:
Stiletto Warp: Arma Magica. Gli attacchi effettuati con quest'arma hanno le regole speciali Penetrazione dell'Armatura e Attacchi Venefici.

???: Arma Magica. Questa è un'arma da tiro con il seguente profilo:
Gittata 12" Forza Utilizzatore Regole Speciali Morte ad Arco, Attacchi Venefici, Tiro Rapido

Morte ad Arco: un'arma con questa regola speciale effettua un numero di attacchi pari al numero di modelli in gittata che si trovino nel rango frontale dell'unità bersaglio.

Oltre alle regole complete del Grande Infesto Ingannatore, c'è qualche piccolo dettaglio su altri Grandi Infesti.
- Tutti i Grandi Infesti hanno I10
- Il terzo tipo di Grande Infesto si chiama Re dei Vermi Skreech
- Il Re dei Vermi Skreech conosce sempre il Tredicesimo Incantesimo e ripete i tiri falliti per lanciarlo.
- Il Grande Infesto più costoso raggiunge i 650 P.ti.

via Darnok (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403583-End-Times-Thanquol) 12-25-2014


Source #1

10th (preorders Fri 2nd) is a blood angels army box with perhaps a new clam pack character in called the sanguine strike force for 105 GBP don't know contents though plus the new vermin lord.

17th Thanquol end times book and mini

24th new unit, armoured rat ogres called stormfiends plus clam pack warlord and grey seer and re release of old I think in metal oddly warlock engineers

Source #2

seen white dwarf for 2 weeks time and it had the vermin lord in there, it is the same size as Nagash, leaping up off the base, and has 5 different variants, one for each of the clans, eshin, pestilence etc. looks absolutely amazing!

It also seems we have our first reported name for the 4th End Times book: End Times: Thanquol.

Official End Times 4 (With Skaven Logo) teaser video from GW: 12-29-2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlzx9pH4kqc

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/12/white-dwarf-49-immagini-dei-grandi.html) 12-29-2014


VerminLord Clan Variants:
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via SpikeyBitsForum (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20733-New-End-Times-Book-Four-Pictures) 12-3-2014


Remember that Glottkin poster that leaked before the Glottkin model for End Times Book 2?

Well what do you make of this? Will we see a Thanquol on Monster model soon?

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via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2015/01/end-times-thanquol-immagini-da-white.html) 1-5-2015



Thanquol & Boneripper
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via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2015/01/end-times-thanquol-immagini-da-white.html) 1-5-2014


End Times: Thanquol Cover
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[Mr Mystery]

End Times: Thanquol Rumor Roundup (part three)

via George Smiley (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?51770-End-Times-4-Rumor-Roundup/page17) 1-12-2015

Skaven Stormfiends, Grey Seer, Warlord

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via the Old Primarch Missed in the Eye of Terror 1-12-2014


Storm Fiends
85pts

M6 WS4 BS3 S5 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld7 Monstrous Infantry

Unit size 3+

Light Armor (optional warpstone-laced armor; grants the entire unit 4+ armor, but casualties must be pulled from warpstone-laced armor models first. Attacks that target specific models still do so, ignoring the warpstone-laced armor rules )

Each model (each model in a unit may choose differently) must choose from:

- Grinderfists (reroll failed to wounds in assault); S:5, arrives turn 2-3 at a pre-marked position, may shoot or assault upon arrival, d3 automatic hits in assault, magical
- Doom-flayer gauntlets (reroll failed to wounds in assault); +2S, Impact Hits(d3)
- Ratling cannons (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); 18" S5 Armorpiercing, multipleshot(3d6), ignore longrange & multishot penalties, to-hits rolls of "1" hit nearest friendlies, magical
- Shock gauntlets (reroll failed to wounds in assault); +1S, D3 stomp hits, ignores armor
- Warpfire projectors (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); stone thrower, S5, flaming attacks, multiple wounds(D3), misfies casue d6 hits on nearest friendlies, magical
- Windlaunchers (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); stonethrower, 6-24" wound on a 4+,magical, 2d6 scatter on a misfire

Fear, Skirmishers

May not use "Fire on the March, Light troops"


via tupavko (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403583-End-Times-Thanquol/page116) 1-15-2015


END TIMES Thanquol Spoilers

+++SPOILER ALERT+++


I did see the book and had some chance to give it a look, so I'll try to write as much as I remember at the moment more details tomorrow:

RULES:

- 3 (i think) different formations in the new book
1 - army of Kharaz-a-Karak with specific units one must take special rules and restrictions (as in 40k)
2 - Lizardmen army with the blessing +1 WS for all skinks (it's a lame one)
3 - Skaven Army

- Warlord trait as in 40k... or something similar (I can't rememebr if it's only campaign related or general rule)


LORE:

PLACES:

Empire:
Graf Boris Todbringer leaves Middenheim in the hands of Valten and Gregor Mertak and goes after Khazrak who he blames for all the bad things happening in his lands. He finds his nemesis but falls into a trap, although he challanges Khazrak, kills him, but at the end he is torn apart by Khazrak's herd
Middenheim is under siege by a combined force of Archaon and Thanquol. Basically the Verminlords decide that Skaven are not strong enought to resist the Lord of the End Times, so Verminking sends Thanquol to speak with Archaon and make a deal. Archaon accepts and uses the skaven as a distraction and to poison the city of Middenheim. Eventually it turns out that Teclis is alive, hinding underground while performing a spell to steal the flame of Ulrik that is protecting the city against the invaders (the reason is not mantioned but it's for a greater good). Because of that the flame of Ulrik dies and people panic all around, so without protection deamons and skaven storm the city and the big fight starts... Archaon fights Valten but he gets kille by Verminlord Deciever's shurken, Gregor Mertak banishes Kayros from the mortla world but cannot resist Archaon.

Lustria:
The skaven use Morrslieb to bombard the Lizardem but thanks to the effort of the Slann mages, some of them survive, although ALL of the SLann mages are slain in the process and are basically as Lord Kroak... This guy awakens and beats death, retuns to life just to save certain areas of Lustria by creating magical orbs that lift those lands and set them into the void" (YES WELCOME BUBBLEHAMMER, POKEHAMMER, WARHAMMERBALL ). After that Kroak dies again, and the prophet of SOtek dies too... Tet'o EKo is alive, as Krok Gar (i believe). Clan pestilens is seriously comprimised...

Kharaz-a-Karak:
the battle between skaven, dwarfs and gobbos start at the EIght Peaks, with Queek falling into Skarsnik's trap, althought the Skaven arre much stronger, and Gobbla gets killed so SKasnik loses all of his will to fight... Belegar gets killed by Queek and his head is taken away. At a certain point a Verminlord takes the head to Skarsnik as a token of peace, and he gives him also a warpstone bomb to take to Zhufbar, but Skarsnik think it's a much better idea to detonate the Eight Peaks so he'll be rememebered as the true last king of the mountain and he takes his waaagh and leaves forever those lands for a new unnamed destination.
After that Ikit Claw and QUeek lay siege to Kharaz-a-Kharak, the skaven have the biggest army in the history of the Old World, they even manage to brake the gate, but at that very the skaven army gets charged by the Bugman's rangers and Ungrim's slayers... Thay kill so many skaven that the army starts to panic, so Thorgrim has the chance to get close to Queek, and so he orders his bearers to put him on the ground and challanges the Skaven Warlord... Queek accepts makes some crazy ninja moves, yet Throgrim is much more stonger than him, so he manages to catch the skaven chief and after saying some epic words breakes his neck.... The clan Mors gets buchered Ikit Claw gets killed (but it's not true), and the dwarrfs win one of the biggest vistories in their history. Clan mors is destroyed... So at the end, Ungrim leaves to go help the EMpire with an army of ONLY slayers, Bugman speaks to Throgrim, and then goes away, and Throgrim gets back to the fortress of Kharaz-a-Karak, goes to think in a secret chamber, but he gets surprised by Snitch who kills him, draws some runes in order to summon the Deceiver, in order to open the gates and let the smaller clans (underground) strorm the fortress (at least that's the plan but the story stops before the invasion)



GENERAL:
Chaos moves south, yet from the west dragon roars are herd in the empire while from the East the Ogre Kingdoms are about to arrive... Nagash moves north although he is slowed down by greenskins and dwarfs (in separate moments)



CHARACTERS:

Empire:
- Graf Boris Todbringr killed by beastmen
- Gregor Mertak killed after banishing Kaiyros
- Valten killed by a shuriken from the Deceiver

Skaven:
- Queek killed by Throgrim
- Ikit Claw killed/wounded
- Thanquol allied with Archaon

Chaos:
- Khazrak killed ina duel
- Kaiyros bannished by Gregor

Dwarfs:
- Thorgrim killed by SNitch
- Belegar killed
- Ungrim Avatar of fire

Elves:
- Teclis is alave and he stole the flame of Ulrik

Lizardmen:
- Mazdamundi dead
- Lord Kroak dead
- Prpehet of Sotek dead.


I think that's it for the moment... Some things might be slightly wrong since I read it really quickly in order to get as many infos as I could... I tried to be as precise as possible yet, I cannot guarantee that evrything is 100% true, but almost!

(regarding Lizardmen "floating structures")
...Those are not spaceships: Chunks of Morrslieb fall upon Lustria (not meteors and yes Itza is destroyed) so forest burns and lizzies die... yet the Slann mages create a sort of force fields in order to deflect those warpstones falling from the skies, however all of them die. Mazdamundi is the last one. However their spirits are stil alive pretty much as Lord Kroak. Kroak sees things are going pretty bad, so he manages somehow to cheat death and creates "magical orbs" taht lift and preserve pieces of Lustria i the "void" (these are the exact same words GW used in the book NOT WARP but VOID, so I thought about the bubble rumors)... In this war between skaven and lizards, even the clan Pestilens is pretty weakened and Lord Nurglithc himself is wounded by Kroq Gar

(regarding Valten)
...He is dueling against Archaon... at a certain point Verminlord Deceiver throws a shuriken at him and hits him in the neck...

One funny thing is that for some reason GW seems to have a passion for cutting the heads off: Throgrim, Belegar, Valten Only headshots :P

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

That looks like a very cool model!

[Erik Setzer]

Well, that's at least one more Vermin Lord for me to paint, possibly more. And now I know where my January hobby money will be going...

[Wildeybeast]

Wow, that certainly is a horny rat. Can't tell whether I like it or not, need better quality pictures.

[Archon Charybdis]

That's one of the coolest Keeper of Secrets models I've ever seen.

[Wildeybeast]

Ha ha ha. It certainly is reminiscent of that.

[Mr Mystery]

Very much looking forward to the Skaven background changes.

Ratses are great!

[Bigred]

images via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/12/nuovo-grande-infesto-regole.html) 12-25-2014

Vermin Lord Rules

"Came the rules of the Great Deceiver infested, one of the five options of assembly for this new kit. Not everyone knows the rules in English, so let's see the translation. Unfortunately there is a word not visible due to the reflection of light on the page, but it's just the name of a magic weapon, then you will not find a rule truncated."

English Tranlation (Google Translate, so you will need to "read between the lines" when it gets wierd)


Great Deceiver Infested
500 Pts

M8 AC8 AB4 FO6 R6 FE6 I10 A5 D8
Type you Troop : Monster Character

A Great Deceiver infested can be included in a Skaven army . His point cost falls within the maximum affordable for Lords .

MAGIC : A Great Deceiver infested is a Wizard of Level 4. One of his spells to be Agile Dodge ; the remaining can be generated by Knowledge Skaven Plague of Ruin or in any combination .

SPECIAL RULES : Immune to Psychology , Large Target , Terror , Street Racing !

Demonic attacks : attacks made by a model with this special rule are magic . This includes any special attack , and draft Trampling .

Protection of the Horned Rat : a model with this special rule has a saving throw 5+ . Demon Rat : A Great Deceiver is a demon infested and is influenced by any rule , abilities , weapons , spells , etc. that affect the Demons . Can never be the General of the Army.

Wrapped in the Dark : enemy units that target the Great infested with a shooting attack suffer a -1 modifier to the attack roll , in addition to any other modifiers .

Walker Darkness : A Great Deceiver infested can repeat attempts failed to launch the spell Agile Dodge and can choose himself as the target of the spell .

MAGIC ITEMS :

Stiletto Warp : Magic Weapon . Attacks made with this weapon have special rules Armour Piercing and Poisoned Attacks .

??? : Magic Weapon . This is a missile weapon with the following profile : Height 12 " Force User Special Rules Death in Arco , Poisoned Attacks , Quick Shot

Death at Arco : a weapon with this special rule makes a number of attacks equal to the number of models in that range are in the front rank of the target unit .

In addition to the complete rules of the Great Deceiver infested , there is some small detail on other Great infest .

- All the Great infest have I10
- The third type of Big infested is called King of Worms Skreech
- The King of Worms Skreech always knows the Thirteenth Enchantment and repeated shots failed to launch it.
- The Great infested most expensive reaches 650 pts

Original Text (Italian)


Grande Infesto Ingannatore

500 P.ti

M8 AC8 AB4 Fo6 R6 Fe6 I10 A5 D8

Tipo ti Truppa: Mostro Personaggio

Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore può essere incluso in un esercito di Skaven. Il suo costo in punti rientra nel massimo acquistabile per i Grandi Eroi.

MAGIA:
Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore è un Mago di Livello 4. Uno dei suoi incantesimi deve essere Agile Balzo; i restanti possono essere generati dai Saperi Skaven della Rovina o della Peste in qualsiasi combi****one.

REGOLE SPECIALI:Immune alla Psicologia, Bersaglio Grande, Terrore, Via di Corsa!

Attacchi Demoniaci: gli attacchi effettuati da un modello con questa regola speciale sono magici. Questo include qualsiasi attacco speciale, da tiro e da Calpestamento.

Protezione del Ratto Cornuto: un modello con questa regola speciale ha un Tiro Salvezza 5+.

Demone Ratto: Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore è un Demone ed è influenzato da qualsiasi regola, abilità, arma, incantesimo e così via che influenzi i Demoni. Non può essere mai il Generale dell'Armata.

Avvolto nell'Oscurità: le unità nemiche che bersagliano il Grande Infesto con un attacco da tiro subiscono un modificatore -1 al Tiro per Colpire, oltre a qualsiasi altro modificatore.

Camminatore dell'Oscurità: Un Grande Infesto Ingannatore può ripetere i tentativi di lancio falliti per l'incantesimo Agile Balzo e può scegliere se stesso come bersaglio dell'incantesimo.

OGGETTI MAGICI:
Stiletto Warp: Arma Magica. Gli attacchi effettuati con quest'arma hanno le regole speciali Penetrazione dell'Armatura e Attacchi Venefici.

???: Arma Magica. Questa è un'arma da tiro con il seguente profilo:
Gittata 12" Forza Utilizzatore Regole Speciali Morte ad Arco, Attacchi Venefici, Tiro Rapido

Morte ad Arco: un'arma con questa regola speciale effettua un numero di attacchi pari al numero di modelli in gittata che si trovino nel rango frontale dell'unità bersaglio.



Oltre alle regole complete del Grande Infesto Ingannatore, c'è qualche piccolo dettaglio su altri Grandi Infesti.
- Tutti i Grandi Infesti hanno I10
- Il terzo tipo di Grande Infesto si chiama Re dei Vermi Skreech
- Il Re dei Vermi Skreech conosce sempre il Tredicesimo Incantesimo e ripete i tiri falliti per lanciarlo.
- Il Grande Infesto più costoso raggiunge i 650 P.ti.

[Bigred]

and more...

via Darnok (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403583-End-Times-Thanquol) 12-25-2014


Source #1

10th (preorders Fri 2nd) is a blood angels army box with perhaps a new clam pack character in called the sanguine strike force for 105 GBP don't know contents though plus the new vermin lord.

17th Thanquol end times book and mini

24th new unit, armoured rat ogres called stormfiends plus clam pack warlord and grey seer and re release of old I think in metal oddly warlock engineers

Source #2

seen white dwarf for 2 weeks time and it had the vermin lord in there, it is the same size as Nagash, leaping up off the base, and has 5 different variants, one for each of the clans, eshin, pestilence etc. looks absolutely amazing!

It also seems we have our first reported name for the 4th End Times book: End Times: Thanquol.

[Mr Mystery]

Squeak!

[Theik]

End times: Unpronounceable Skaven Name

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Thanquol? That's easy to pronounce

[Mr Mystery]

And £60 of e-vouchers procured, ready for the pre-order window!

[Brakkart]

I gotta love how the Skaven are getting plastic greater daemons before Chaos are! Looks to be a really nice model too, I'm sure my ratman loving mate is gonna be thrilled with it.

[Mr Mystery]

Squeak!

*squirts the musk of fear*

[Justus Ackermann]

Let's see who the Skaven will be up against. That Verminlord is definitely pitted against Nagash in that WD picture, but that might just be for the pictures or size comparison. I already fear for my beloved Dwarfs...

[Anthrax ion pusscabe]

The eshin vermin lord will most likely be a adition to my skaven swarm

[Mr Mystery]

Next End Times trailier video is up on the GW main site.

Wallets at the ready on Friday, just in case the rumours aren't fully accurate as to when the book drops!

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=7147549

[Brakkart]

And the hidden message in today's White Dwarf Daily is:


One, two, three…

Any guesses as to the meaning?

[Wildeybeast]

Next End Times trailier video is up on the GW main site.

Wallets at the ready on Friday, just in case the rumours aren't fully accurate as to when the book drops!

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=7147549

Well, the GW website says 3rd of Jan, so something is definitely coming this Friday

[Erik Setzer]

And the hidden message in today's White Dwarf Daily is:

"One, two, three… "

Any guesses as to the meaning?

The countdown for the Internet rumors to start wondering what the hidden message of the day means?

(That might be a bit too meta for GW.)

[Mr Mystery]

Probably referring to the Vermin Lord Variants.

[Bigred]

Official End Times 4 (With Skaven Logo) teaser video from GW:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlzx9pH4kqc

[Bigred]

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2014/12/white-dwarf-49-immagini-dei-grandi.html) 12-29-2014


VerminLord Clan Variants:
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[Jared van Kell]

I am tempted to say that the one with the two sickles is the Pestilens one. If you look at the hands they have bits where the skin has rotted away to reveal the musculature and bone underneath.

JvK :cool:

[Mr Mystery]

Today's secret message....

four...five...six.

Which has left me feeling a bit thick.

Tomorrow - seven...eight...nine

Thursday - ten...eleven...twelve

Friday - Thirteen. Duh.

[Jared van Kell]

I am surprised this has not turned up yet since it has been floating around the net.

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JvK :cool:

[Brakkart]

Today's secret message....

four...five...six.

Which has left me feeling a bit thick.

Tomorrow - seven...eight...nine

Thursday - ten...eleven...twelve

Friday - Thirteen. Duh.

Heh yeah, you and me both with the feeling a bit thick.

Also: "Thirteen!!" Sorry Titus Pullo moment there.


I am surprised this has not turned up yet since it has been floating around the net.

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JvK :cool:

Well that one's definitely the Eshin Verminlord then, what with the dagger and venomed throwing thingy it's holding.

[Learn2Eel]

The Verminlord models are amazing, the only gripe I have is with the feet honestly. If Games Workshop don't release a new Keeper of Secrets soon I can definitely see many Slaanesh Daemon armies featuring a converted Verminlord as one.

The rules...hmm. I need to get a full look at each profile before I make a judgement, a good thing to note is that they aren't Unstable, however they aren't Unbreakable either which is a bit disconcerting; they are quite capable of fluffing their rolls in combat! I get the sense though that these are meant to be utility monsters rather than raw examples of damage output and survivability, meaning they will start to shine only once they have been put in practice. They are also massively improved over their army book versions, the extra point in both Toughness and Wounds makes a huge difference for a monster that lacks an armour save.

I still can't believe that they kept that rule which prevents them from being the army general....I get that the End Times character allowance alleviates the issue of having no room to spend on Lords after taking a Verminlord, but Skaven armies generally don't want to invest too heavily into characters anyway. They already pay enough points for the standard Grey Seer + BSB + 2 Warlock combo, replacing the Grey Seer with a Verminlord and forcing you to pick a far weaker character as the General when the Verminlord is hugely points-hungry is just silly.

[Mr Mystery]

These bad boys appear to be the Skaven take on the Mortarch or Maggoth level characters, rather than the bloody enormous one....

[Erik Setzer]

Thematically, not being the general makes sense. They're daemons of the Horned Rat who appear to aid the Skaven in war, not to lead the armies. That's still up to the Grey Seers and Warlords. Sure, it kind of sucks in terms of having to put more points into characters, but eh, if you want a big nasty monster with lots of special rules, that's the sacrifice you have to make.

As for them being utility, that's basically what the current Vermin Lord is. It's what a lot of monsters end up being, even character monsters. But you can throw the weight of a large mob of Stormvermin in with them, or a block of Rat Ogres, or even a Hellpit Abomination or two (though that's somewhat less reliable in terms of getting there and all).

[Learn2Eel]

I agree that thematically it makes sense, however from a gaming perspective it is a pretty sizable disadvantage unfortunately.

I can't figure out which one I like most, the one that can re-roll the casting attempt for The Dreaded 13th/Curse of the Horned Rat should be hilarious, unfortunately if you use End Times Magic rules then it becomes unreliable due to the random dice usage for spells and dispels.

[Mr Mystery]

Looking forward to tonight's pre-order window, just in case the book is going up!

[Wildeybeast]

Yep, me too. Going to be on bang on 7, not missing out again. I suspect the book won't be this week with the Verminlords dropping, but not taking any chances.

[Mr Mystery]

Indeedy.

I'm double buggered on this, as I have all the others in hardback, and am a completist weirdo. So I have to get this one in hardback too!

[Wildeybeast]

I've ended up with one hardback, one collectors edition and one ebook, so any chance of me being completist has gone out the window unless I buy them all again in paperback.

[Mr Mystery]

Yarp.

Other downside is the scalpers seem set to make me angry all over again.

[Jared van Kell]

I will be there bang on 1900 UK time to make sure I get mine. I have all of the previous ones in hardback and I will make sure I get this one.

JvK :cool:

[Mr Mystery]

Just under two hours to go, provided it goes up tonight and not next week.

Gonna camp on the website from now until 7, just in case.

[Mr Mystery]

Verminlords are up. Kit does indeed make 5, one of which is a named character.

No book this week.

[Mr Mystery]

Possible sneaky peaky at something new for Skaven, or just random artwork. You tell me!

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/touts/2015-01-02/Homepage/2Editorials/Homepage2ED_SubscribeEmail.png

[Erik Setzer]

It'd be awesome if the armored Rat Ogres had warpfire throwers on them. That artwork almost looks like a Rat Ogre with armor plates that have green flamethrowers attached to the forearms with a tank on the back. But I might be projecting my wishes.

I'm going to have to see the rules for the Vermin Lords. I was thinking of getting two, but I want to figure out which one(s) to make. It *might* be possible to do a magnetic swap, but I don't think I want to do that with a model like that, and clan colors don't really match up so well. The named one is a bit of a surprise for me, and might be one of the ones I make.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Not something I'd buy, but I appreciate the design and artistry - Skaven are one of the few fantasy factions I can appreciate. Curious to see what's next :)

[Mr Mystery]

Skaven to me are one of the most compelling aspects of Warhammer. So much power, too busy all trying to lie, cheat and backstab their way up the pack to be the threat they should!

Plus, they're mad for science and magic, and to hell with the consequences. Even the squishy consequences.

[Erik Setzer]

Aw yeah! Looking in the background of the Vermin Lord video, you can see armored Rat Ogres, and some of them almost certainly have warpfire throwers like the art above.

Well, there goes more of my money...

[Wildeybeast]

They certainly look new. Hard to make out exactly what they are, but armoured rat ogres is a good shout. I also notice that the Thanquol model is sold out on the Ge website, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he gets a new model very soon. Do we think he could end up with one of the stray winds of magic?

[Theik]

I agree that thematically it makes sense, however from a gaming perspective it is a pretty sizable disadvantage unfortunately.

I can't figure out which one I like most, the one that can re-roll the casting attempt for The Dreaded 13th/Curse of the Horned Rat should be hilarious, unfortunately if you use End Times Magic rules then it becomes unreliable due to the random dice usage for spells and dispels.

It's not actually end times magic rules though. It's "Elven Host Magic Rules" or "If either player wants to use.... magic rules".
It is not inherently part of the end times, it's part of the Elven Host's magic rules, and an option you can opt to use. It is not something you use by default in the end-times.

[Chronowraith]

Aw yeah! Looking in the background of the Vermin Lord video, you can see armored Rat Ogres, and some of them almost certainly have warpfire throwers like the art above.

Well, there goes more of my money...

You can also see the new Grey Seer next to the S in Skaven in the same video. Well, presumably a Grey Seer given the paint job. He's a caster of some sort.

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Incidentally, those look like new Plague Monks as well. Or really good conversions. But the poles with the paper aren't on any of the current models or the previous metal ones. Damn... and I already have 50 of them painted.

EDIT: Added picture.

EDIT EDIT: More Info.

[Blackbladder]

They're in the current Plague Monks box.... O.o

[Chronowraith]

They're in the current Plague Monks box.... O.o

Fair enough. I don't own any of the plastic ones because I think they look goofy so I still use my old metal ones. Still, I've never seen anyone use that many of the those specific bits before. Also, and this could easily just be the angle of the camera, but the heads look like they are sunk deeper in the hoods and don't stick out as much as the current ones.

Also, the Grey Seer model is definitely new. I own a bunch from all ages of Skaven and that one doesn't match any of them.

[Bigred]

via SpikeyBitsForum (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20733-New-End-Times-Book-Four-Pictures) 12-3-2014


Remember that Glottkin poster that leaked before the Glottkin model for End Times Book 2?

Well what do you make of this? Will we see a Thanquol on Monster model soon?

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[Mr Mystery]

Yay! MOAR BONERIPPER!

[Jared van Kell]

Well this should please a few folks.

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JvK :cool:

[Brakkart]

Yay! MOAR BONERIPPER!

Yeah a lot more, cos damn did he grow up to be big and strong!

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Pics courtesy of Tyronforge on Facebook.

[eldargal]

Nice.

[Mr Mystery]

I just flung cash at the screen.

Also, if Boneripper survives, I won't be happy. It's tradition that he gets slotted.

[Erik Setzer]

Oof. So that's a couple of Vermin Lords ($90 each), Thanquol (probably $110), the book ($66), and 2-3 boxes (depending on how many are in them) of Rat Ogres ($60 each?).

And maybe some day I should also get a Hellpit Abomination, and I suppose get the new Screaming Bell model (I have two of the old ones, which I think are just fine and people don't complain about them).

Getting into 30K might not be feasible at this point...

[Brakkart]

Oof. So that's a couple of Vermin Lords ($90 each), Thanquol (probably $110), the book ($66), and 2-3 boxes (depending on how many are in them) of Rat Ogres ($60 each?).

And maybe some day I should also get a Hellpit Abomination, and I suppose get the new Screaming Bell model (I have two of the old ones, which I think are just fine and people don't complain about them).

Getting into 30K might not be feasible at this point...

I'm pretty sure I can hear your wallet sobbing from here!

[Jared van Kell]

I just flung cash at the screen.

Also, if Boneripper survives, I won't be happy. It's tradition that he gets slotted.

And Gotrek has to do the honours.

JvK :cool:

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hmmmm, I play Chaos, but I might just have to pick this guy up. He is my favourite Fantasy character, and now he doesn't look like a mong!

[Mr Mystery]

Squeak!

[Bigred]

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2015/01/end-times-thanquol-immagini-da-white.html) 1-5-2014


End Times: Thanquol Cover
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[Mr Mystery]

Can I request appropriate use of spoiler tags hereon in?

[Deadlift]

Can I request appropriate use of spoiler tags hereon in?

Matey your on the Rumors page, in the News and Rumors section. You know the format :D

[Bigred]

And even more on Thanquol & Boneripper

via L'Astropate (http://astropate.blogspot.com/2015/01/thanquol-e-strappaossa-prezzi-e-nuove.html) 1-5-2014


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[Mr Mystery]

Oooh. Different weapons for Boneripper.

£20 says he gets through several Bonerippers!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

At least 10

[Deadlift]

That second full face helmet is boss, love it.

[RGilbert26]

I don't have the pic but there's also special Skaven dice coming too, another one of those 10 dice for £10 tins. Looks like I'm going to have to hold on to £20 to get two sets.

[Bigred]

GW keeps the End Times:Thanquol hardcovers for themselves...


via Brass Scorpion (http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?20736-End-Times-4-Rumor-Roundup&p=226758&viewfull=1#post226758) 1-5-2015
BREAKNG NEWS: As you know the last couple End Times hardback books sold out in hours (Glottkin) and then minutes (Khaine) on the GW website and there were hardly any copies available in their stores. Part of the reason for that was because GW had reserved some of the stock for independent sellers. It appears that with End Times Thanquol GW has decided to increase sales on their web and in their shops by reserving the entire hardback printing for their own sales according to this posting from Showcase Comics. I'm still amazed that after Glottkin sold out so fast they didn't order another print run for Khaine and Thanquol before the release dates came up, but I guess GW just likes having it blow out the door with no left over stock. I'm also a bit surprised that with the small difference in price between the hardbacks and soft-backs that they don't just restock the hardbacks. I think most customers would prefer it since they're not saving any significant money on the soft covers anyway.


via Showcase Comics

So, just got off the phone with GW. Very upset. They are keeping the hardcover Endtimes books for themselves, we only get softcovers. If you would like a hardcover, they go on sale friday between noon and two, and i'd suggest getting in early.
Neither Showcase store will have them, only the GW website. If you would like the softcover, please let me know.

[Bigred]

via rhellion (https://twitter.com/Rhellion) (twitterfeed) 1-5-2015


Thanquol and Boneripper 650pts
M6 WS4 BS3 S6 T5 W8 I5 A5 Ld7 Monster (Special Character)

Magic: Level 4
Equpiment: Warpfire projectors, or Warpfire braziers
Large Target, Terror, Unbreakable, Blessing of the Horned Rat (4+ ward)

Warpstone Addiction: immune from suffering wounds from warpstone powers
Warpfire Projector: Boneripper may fire at two different targets each time resolved one at a time

Magic Items
Staff of the Horned Rat: +1 to casting rolls
Warp Amulet: 5+ each turn to regain 1 lost wound
Warpstone Tokens: D6+2 warpstone tokens

Warpfire Braziers
Combat, S+1, Flaming Attacks, Multiple Wounds(d3), Storm of Attacks(reroll failed to-wound rolls), Warp Fumes(all models in btb make T test or suffer a wound), Warpstone Weapon(magical)

Warpfire Projectors
S5 Flaming Attacks, Multiple wounds(d3), Move of fire, Quick to fire, Warpstone weapon(magical), Wildly off-target(hits friendlies within 12" on a misfire)

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[RGilbert26]

Hmm looks like I'm switching to Skaven and I'll use the Braziers.

[Mr Mystery]

GW keeps the End Times:Thanquol hardcovers for themselves...

Local GW store didn't get any Glottkin or Khaine in straight off the bat, hard or softback.

Me, I've booked Friday off work to make sure I'm in my comfy chair, laptop on and logged into the GW site. I'm not missing out, no sireebob!

GW e-vouchers are also a handy way of ensuring funds last past payday. I bought myself £60 worth this month, so I've defo got the readies to hand to cough up for the book.

[eldargal]

Can't really blame them for prioritising their own stores.

From some pictures I've seen it looks like the book is Skaven vs Negash. I swear to god if Neferata gets et by rats or something I will be furious.

[Mr Mystery]

I reckon it's Skaven V Everyone, and will dwell on the destruction of Tilea and Estalia.

Otherwise, trying to avoid plot spoilers!

Do you think it's too early to start the Thanquol Spolierific thread?

[eldargal]

Not sure how they would do the campaign of Tilea/Estalia given tehre is no Tilean or Estalian army lists.

Might as well.

[Mr Mystery]

Well, I don't see need for a unified Skaven list, on account their book is unified as is.

Possibly Dogs of War though.....that'd be cool and a reason to buy the book, and having read that one, the rest of them, for those who have not yet indulged.....

Not a rumour - just speculation.

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm looks like I'm switching to Skaven and I'll use the Braziers.

Yeah, I'd go Braziers easily. The warpfire projectors look cool, but a template weapon that you can't move and fire is, well, kind of useless. If you're that close, you might as well be in combat, where the Braziers are a lot nastier (but do have the issue that they'll likely wound any of your own models standing too close, though that'll rarely be an issue). The Braziers are also better defense if Thanquol is charged by something nasty. And they still look cool.

[Mr Mystery]

I'll take the re-rolling wounds Throwers ta. Every wound a panic test! Lovely!

[Jared van Kell]

I'll take the re-rolling wounds Throwers ta. Every wound a panic test! Lovely!

As far as I am aware only the Warpfire Braziers allow the re-roll to wound and there is nothing about it causing panic either. Between the two set-ups I do see the Braziers being the more useful of the two as Thanquol will eventually see combat, especially if Gotrek is on the field. :p

JvK :cool:

[Mr Mystery]

Just double checked.

They both re-roll failed to wounds :)

[Erik Setzer]

If the flamethrowers were move-and-fire, I'd probably go with them, but I just don't like a template weapon that is move-or-fire. You have to be within 8" of an enemy to use it (IIRC, the flame template is 8" long, tip to tip). To maximize its effectiveness you have to find a way to walk up about an inch from an enemy unit. How often will you be able to walk Boneripper right up beside an enemy unit without charging?

[Mr Mystery]

Template + Artillery Dice in range.

And in Warhammer, that template shape can do horrible, horrible things to ranked units. Firethrowers are harsh weapons! High strength, multiple wounds and of course, instant panic tests on a single casualty. Only takes a single palpable hit to take the fight out of a unit.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I know that I'm outfitting it with Flammenwerfers.

[Houghten]

How often will you be able to walk Boneripper right up beside an enemy unit without charging?

For starters, any time you want to use that level 4 Wizard on his back to cast direct damage or magic missile spells.

[Mr Mystery]

And they're quick to fire, which ought to put off many long range charges, as they're at the most risk of getting blatted by the template....

[Justus Ackermann]

For starters, any time you want to use that level 4 Wizard on his back to cast direct damage or magic missile spells.

It's only magic missiles that cannot be cast if the wizard is engaged in close combat, direct damage spells can still be cast. But I agree, moving Boneripper right up beside a target, use the template, cast magic and charge the next turn sounds nice enough.

[Mr Mystery]

I think I'd try to keep him out of combat as much as possible with the Warpfire Projectors. He can do so much more damage with them than in combat, and it means you don't end up with spells you can't cast.

Instead, rely on his combat prowess (counting his Stand and Fire!) as a deterrent against opportunistic charges. Definitely not something you want to be using on it's own certainly.

[Chronowraith]

The big question is, do they fire like the current warpfire throwers? (i.e. like flame throwers) or more like a breath attack. If they fire like flame throwers, then definitely the warpfire throwers (the rumors don't indicate one way or another). Stand and Shoot. Who cares if they are move and fire. Template weapons do horrible damage to infantry and warpfire is one of the few that causes massive damage to monstrous infantry/beasts/cavalry as well. Also stand and shoot counts towards combat resolution meaning you could potentially break the enemy by winning combat when they charged you (good luck getting around steadfast though)

[Mr Mystery]

Page specifies 'fire throwers', so they follow the same basic rules as the rulebook, plus the spanglydoodad rules from Boneripper himself.

- - - Updated - - -

Also - odd wording on the Warpfire Bracers. They allow you to re-roll all failed to wounds in combat, including Stomps (and by extension Thunderstomps) and impact hits. Yet no Impact Hit rule for large monsters, and Boneripper doesn't have it himself.....

Could be indication of a change to monster rules forthcoming? Makes sense to me like.

[Chronowraith]

Didn't see the page posted at the bottom of the forum post. I only saw the typed up rumors. With the braziers only working in close combat, I'd take the the projectors easily. Since he gets two attacks that's even better. One should hit and if two hit then, well, he's toasted a bunch of enemies and will likely win combat. Even the misfires can be managed. Just keep him 12" away from units or only within range of slaves.

[Learn2Eel]

I really like Thanquol and Boneripper with the new rules - the model is awesome enough but the rules are great too! He's above average for a monster in combat with or without the braziers, while the fact (it appears as such, anyway) that he has 8 Wounds at Toughness 5 with a 4+ ward save (and assuming a 6+ armour save?) is pretty crazy, he's not as survivable as Nagash by any means but he is much harder to kill than the Mortarchs for example. Being a Level 4 with an in-built Book of Ashur is quite good, especially with the crazy amount of Warpstone Tokens he comes with. I think I will swear by the flame projectors, that they are Move or Fire isn't much of an issue when Skaven aren't played as a hyper-aggressive army anyway - at least, not usually. People are forgetting they are Fire Throwers and thus will generally move forward 6"-8" and then hit everything 8" onwards from that point, that he has two of them and they don't misfire while being even better than Dwarf Flame Cannons is crazy. Once you remember that you can shoot into combat with Slaves and the projectors have Quick to Fire, I definitely think they should be kept ahead of the braziers.

[Chronowraith]

After rereading the misfire rules for the warpfire projectors I think people would be crazy to not use them. That is one of the easiest misfire results to avoid that I've ever seen. The fact that he gets two templates that can effect up to 17" with a FLAME TEMPLATE is crazy.

He is awfully squishy though. 8 wounds is nothing for such a massive target with only toughness 5, even with a 4+ ward (how many greater daemons do you see being used). Still, he will certainly survive long enough to be useful.

[Mr Mystery]

Yeah, it's that T5 that has me worried. Surprisingly easy to squish in combat, even with the Ward Save. Reckon my horde of Ironguts could very easily bag this bad boy in a single round.

But then of course, I need to get passed all the other Skaven stuff. 650 sounds like a lot of points, but from what I'm reading, Thanquol and Boneripper might just be the best bargain on the board!

[Erik Setzer]

Ah... I haven't used any flamethrowers in WFB except warpfire throwers, and they've always had the rule with the artillery dice, so I figured it was a special rule for them and not something all flamethrowers do. So yeah, that gives an extra bit of range, but also makes it kind of random and means you still have to get close and hope the enemy unit doesn't find some way to avoid the flamethrower before you can use it.

Neither's really that helpful, because for either to be useful, he's got to be pretty close to the enemy. But hey, there's options.

[Chronowraith]

Ah... I haven't used any flamethrowers in WFB except warpfire throwers, and they've always had the rule with the artillery dice, so I figured it was a special rule for them and not something all flamethrowers do. So yeah, that gives an extra bit of range, but also makes it kind of random and means you still have to get close and hope the enemy unit doesn't find some way to avoid the flamethrower before you can use it.

Neither's really that helpful, because for either to be useful, he's got to be pretty close to the enemy. But hey, there's options.

As other's have pointed out... you can use the warpfire projectors to target units in combat with slaves. So have Thanquol follow the slaves (he's a large target and can see over them to cast) and then, when the slaves get locked in combat, move around the side and double flame the unit. While the template does move, stay 6 inches away and then, regardless of the artillery dice, you are likely to hit the enemy unit since the template is 7" long.

As for the Ironguts... that depends on how much damage the projectors do. D3 wounds at S5 and two flame templates will make even ironguts think twice before charging. Will you kill him if you reach him on the charge? Absolutely. Will you take a truckload of damage in the process? Yup (and potentially break before you even reach combat).

[Bigred]

via Captain Citadel (http://imgur.com/a/aScPp) 1-8-2014


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[Erik Setzer]

What is "End Times: Thanquol (Abridged)"? Is that just the rules, or something?

[Chronowraith]

What is "End Times: Thanquol (Abridged)"? Is that just the rules, or something?

I'm guessing it's just the Fluff without the rules. Or it could be vice-versa but I doubt there is that much in the way of rules to justify roughly $60.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm guessing it's just the Fluff without the rules. Or it could be vice-versa but I doubt there is that much in the way of rules to justify roughly $60.

Hard to really justify either at that price, but I'm not sure which is which.

If it's just the fluff, that shows they're already prepping for having a line of End Times books with just the fluff and not the rules, so my prediction on them doing that to keep selling the fluff post-ET is closer to coming true.

[Mr Mystery]

23 hours to go.....Squeeeeee(ak)!

[SkavenInAZ]

23 hours to go.....Squeeeeee(ak)!

Just called my local GW store -- $243.75 for a Hardback, Vermin Lord, 2 sets of dice, and the novel... ufta.

[SadisticMagician]

No novel this time? Or will the final Gotrek book be the equivalent?

[Mr Mystery]

Might be coming next week.


Kinslayer came at the same time as the Nagash book and it's novel.

[Mr Mystery]

Currently squatting on the GW website, with Dr Who on the telly.

[Justus Ackermann]

Currently squatting on the GW website, with Dr Who on the telly.

Same everywhere :)
Would not be surprised if the Page goes down, like the BL page did once for one of the limited Horus Heresy novels.

[Mr Mystery]

Hope not. I'm logged in, and ready to go.

I bought £60 worth of e-vouchers last time I got paid, so I'm damned if I'm missing out! Would go up the shop to do it - pay where you play like, except I bought the vouchers there, so it's better to free up their terminal for those with money yet to go through the till!

[Erik Setzer]

Same everywhere :)
Would not be surprised if the Page goes down, like the BL page did once for one of the limited Horus Heresy novels.

If you have a 4.5 million pound website that goes down when a few thousand people log on, your entire management staff should be terminated immediately with extreme prejudice.

[Mr Mystery]

KERPOW!!!

All ordered. Winning!

[Chronowraith]

And US Website screwed.... It loads... just incredibly slow.

[Wildeybeast]

British one is all kinds of broken. Mystery seemed to have ordered his before my webpage even said it was available.

[Mr Mystery]

I am Eshin like in my ordering.

Minus the typical incompetence of the Eshin. Got my order confirmation as well!

Also, paperback versions of the End Times novels up on Black Library website now.

Might use these as my first e-books when my iPad gets here. Whenever that turns out to be.

[Chronowraith]

I am Eshin like in my ordering.

Minus the typical incompetence of the Eshin. Got my order confirmation as well!

Yup. US Site broken. Been generating server errors the past few minutes. I could get to the Warhammer Page but couldn't click on the preorders without it breaking.

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, US site never showed it for me, and now it's dead. I wouldn't worry because I have a GW store local, but was told they weren't being sent any copies so he'd have to place an online order and I'd need to pay in the store tonight.

So let's see... They not only blow off the FLGS's but also their own stores to make sure people have to order directly from their website. A website they blew a lot of money on, which is now down.

Seriously, how does a company screw up so often and so bad and not have heads roll?

[Justus Ackermann]

If you have a 4.5 million pound website that goes down when a few thousand people log on, your entire management staff should be terminated immediately with extreme prejudice.

and it crashed!
It's acutually in my cart. Can't checkout though.

[Erik Setzer]

and it crashed!

Yes, and I reiterate that the entire management staff should be terminated immediately with extreme prejudice.

I can't see there being even 100,000 people worldwide visiting the website right now (that's way too much of an attempt at flattery), and yet it broke. You're a freaking worldwide company, you spent all that money, and a lot of it had to have gone to hardware... and then your website crashes with a number of visitors that shouldn't cause much more than possibly a hiccup? There's no excuse for that. They threw a ton of money at something that doesn't work as it's supposed to. And now, when they made the choice to make an item online-only, people can't order because their website is broken, which is going to result in a lot of pissed-off customers.

[Justus Ackermann]

OK, some of us have to stop hitting "refresh". You all start.

[Mr Mystery]

Oh shut up.

Website was fine and dandy for the other three.

Calling for their heads? They're not a public service. It's not as if whilst the website is down all the copies are going to be mysteriously sold now, is it? No. They'll still be there when it's back up.

[Houghten]

Easy for you to say, you've got yours.

I suspect I'm going to fall asleep before the website comes back up, and when I come back up they'll be gone.

And on eBay a week later at twice the price.

[Erik Setzer]

Oh shut up.

Website was fine and dandy for the other three.

Calling for their heads? They're not a public service. It's not as if whilst the website is down all the copies are going to be mysteriously sold now, is it? No. They'll still be there when it's back up.

First off, way to go opening up with a childish line. Really shows your lack of maturity there.

For the first one, there wasn't a known issue with lack of numbers. For the next two, people knew they could go to their local store and have a shot at getting a copy. For this one? No. They aren't even sending copies to their local store.

My local GW manager is stuck trying to refresh a broken website to order copies for his customers. He has loyal customers who want to buy the product, but can't, because they won't send him any and the website isn't working.

Yes, I'm calling for heads. The website should have been built to handle a lot more traffic than this. The only way to excuse the cost of the new website was if they did some serious hardcore upgrading of their hardware along the way. So to spend all that money on the software and hardware, and then when it gets its first real test, it breaks... that's bad. Someone - or possibly multiple someones - didn't do their job right. Now, because of the decision as well to even shaft their own stores by withholding products from them to sell it all online, there are likely to be a lot of people who won't be able to get the product. Including those of us who otherwise would go to a GW store, waiting early for it to open, and buy it there. The combination of a poor choice and a poor job on the website have led to a problem that is going to cause them some bad PR.

In the real world, not your fantasy land that you live in (where GW is infallible somehow), there are consequences for not doing your job right. People get fired for screwing up. This was a big screw-up. Some terminations would be expected in the light of something like this. If the site couldn't handle the load - and it damn well should have been able to, with how much they threw into its budget (a budget that was likely handled by the interim IT head, who happened to be Kirby's wife) - then they shouldn't have made the decision to force people to rush onto the website all at once to try to get a product before it's gone.

Stop defending GW so much. You are well past any stage of logic. They made multiple bad management decisions here. To deny that would require being either delusional or dishonest.

[Mr Mystery]

Oh IT head - yep, need to have a word with them.

But the entire management staff? Why? Other than your personal vendetta and opinion that they're all incompetent?

[Justus Ackermann]

It went through! It really did! Amazingly awesome.

[Erik Setzer]

Oh IT head - yep, need to have a word with them.

But the entire management staff? Why? Other than your personal vendetta and opinion that they're all incompetent?

No "personal vendetta." But they did make the decision to even screw over their local store managers by taking the products away from them. They demand those managers meet a quota, and then take a hot product from them? On top of that, the managers also usually try to do right by their customers and help to make sure they get what they're wanting, and this whole strategy makes that impossible. It's not just screwing over the customers, it's screwing over their own employees. It makes no bloody sense. It's one thing to kick FLGS's to the curb, they do that all the time, but actively hurting their own stores? That's insane. Then on top of that, the website can't handle it, which is something they should probably consider before telling everyone, "Hey folks, yeah, we're going to continue making the 'non-limited-edition' as an actual limited edition, and it's only available from our website, so assuming you know exactly when we normally post preorders on the website, you all better get there at that exact time if you want a shot at getting this 'not-limited' product that's limited in number! Have fun!"

[Chronowraith]

It should be noted there are legitimate concerns here. The errors being returned are time-out errors which means that so many people are hitting the website that responses from the server are taking too long to reach the client. This could be due to a crashed server or due to simply lag from processing too many requests. If the latter, it is completely possible that people are purchasing books, albeit slowly, and that by the time the issue is corrected, all the books will be gone.

That aside, calling for all of management to be fired is a bit wonky. The types of managers being discussed here manage people. They don't manage IT. They don't manage projects. If the program manager or the website PM tells the higher up manager that everything is fine... then everything is fine until he gets a report that it isn't fine.

Moreover, most commercial websites are stress-tested based on existing data. It could be that all the metrics GW had indicated that peak moments of activity were X amount and that data is now out of date and closer to X+Y. The issue may not even be with GW, it could be somewhere in the middle. Many commercial vendors actually don't house their servers onsite, choosing to go with off-site server farms to cut operation and maintenance costs (this is unlikely given the timing). The truth is, we don't know what the issue is so making inflammatory suggestions that people should be fired is going a bit far.

My point being is that quick knee-jerk reactions don't serve anyone's interest. Screaming at GW and telling them that "heads must roll" will only result on some peon being declared a scapegoat and let go. Trust me. I'm frustrated to. I want my limited edition book and my dice to add to my Skaven collection (been playing Skaven since I started back in the very early 90s). Will the world end if I don't get the limited versions? The answer is quite simply and unequivocally, no.

On a side note, it has always been a questionable practice that GW makes their own stores order limited and web-only stuff in the same manner as customers. That is why no other industry that makes produces and has a storefront operates in such a fashion.

[Mr Mystery]

Website has fallen over. Will soon be back on it's feet. Things like this happen.

Where I work, we have some impressive IT stuff set up, more than capable of handling the workload. But guess what - it's not infallible. It still falls over from time to time. Same in every job I've been in since computers and intranets really took off properly.

Do people get sacked over such things? Nope.

Paperback versions are made available to stores. It's only the hardbacks which are online exclusive. Me, I'm a completist weirdo, so I go for the hard backs every time. Yeah I'm lucky today in that I got my order through before things went tits up. But I hadn't, I'd deploy some patience, and calmly monitor the website for when it came back up and get my order in then.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yep, they need to do something about this - it isn't the first time it's happened and it's possible they even lose sales from it.

I've been reseting the page, managed to get the pre-order page but when i went to click on a specific product it came up with a "Our webstore is currently down for maintenance!". Pretty frustrating.

[Chronowraith]

Yep, they need to do something about this - it isn't the first time it's happened and it's possible they even lose sales from it.

I've been reseting the page, managed to get the pre-order page but when i went to click on a specific product it came up with a "Our webstore is currently down for maintenance!". Pretty frustrating.

I have everything in my cart. I just can't access my cart without timing out. Fun times.

I think the sneaky rats are tinkering with the servers. They don't want proof of their existence to get out :-)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I have everything in my cart. I just can't access my cart without timing out. Fun times.

I think the sneaky rats are tinkering with the servers. They don't want proof of their existence to get out :-)

Ah, well h ope you are able to get it all :) I won't be buying any of this (I just need to see the sprues cos i'm a nerd)

Oh, are we gonna blame it on the scarabs then, when it happens with the necron release?

[Mr Mystery]

It's usually the IT Grots :p

[Erik Setzer]

The people in management who made the decision to screw over their own employees do deserve to be sacked. Won't happen, but they deserve it. And I'm sure some "peon" will end up being the scapegoat and getting fired, rather than the former CEO who put his wife in charge of the IT team when they did the new website.

I have hardback versions so far. If I can't get the hardback version here, I'll just go eBook. I'm not spending almost as much as the hardback version just to get a lame softback that won't look right on the shelf and doesn't cost anywhere near that much to produce. Sadly, that means that's a lost sale from the local store, which he'll then be blamed for, rather than the idiots who continue to make a product that isn't labeled as such limited, and then limit it further.

(And seriously, the whole "personal vendetta" line just shows how stupid you are when I've been arguing this whole time in favor of helping a GW store and keeping that store running. If I was against GW, I wouldn't care. I've got other options in this town. In fact, if I had some "personal vendetta," I'd be trying to help close it down, not going in there, making sure I buy stuff to help keep it going, and doing my best to help any new players so they'll stick around playing the games.)

[Mr Mystery]

Assumption - Mrs Kirby has no relevant IT qualification.

Evidence to support/base assumption on???

[Chronowraith]

Website up and running fine now. Just finished my order for book and dice. Received the order confirmation as well.

Amusingly enough they wanted me to take a survey about the website when my order concluded :P

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Finally see the sprues - I LOVE the 21 little rats on it. So damn cute. I know an ordinate amount of "Crazy rat ladies" too, I bet they'll love those.

[Erik Setzer]

Assumption - Mrs Kirby has no relevant IT qualification.

Evidence to support/base assumption on???

Well, for one, there's an overwhelming lack of anything about her online. Can't find any kind of profile, LinkedIn is useless, nothing out there that mentions her experience... If you're someone who knows IT and does IT stuff, you've got stuff out there pointing to that. You're proud of it and you know how to share it. The lack of information about someone who was being paid that much money to run an IT department is quite concerning, really.

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Got word that a book has been ordered for me (just need to pay for it at the shop tonight). But that's not going to stop me being annoyed and upset, because I bet a lot of people are going to miss out, and it's still not fair to the managers who are required to meet a quota that's being undermined with this strategy.

[Erik Setzer]

For those looking for the novel:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/End-Times-Rise-of-the-Horned-Rat

Description:


The End Times are coming. In the warrens of Skavenblight, a new power is rising. The verminlords walk the earth and they plan to lead the skaven to their destiny as rulers of the world. But for Queek Headtaker, the only destiny that matters is his own, as he plans his final assault on Karak Eight Peaks. In the depths of that ancient city, two rival kings - the goblin Skarsnik and the dwarf Belegar - prepare to meet the onslaught. And in Karaz-a-Karak, High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer presides over what he knows, in his heart, is the end of the dwarf empire. The Horned Rat rises and nothing will ever be the same...

And since this is the news and rumors topic, here's part of the description from Thanquol:


Warhammer: Thanquol Book 1 is a 232-page book which details the story of the Skaven during the End Times, chronicling the return of the Verminlords, the rise of Grey Seer Thanquol and the alliance of the Children of the Horned Rat with Archaon, the Everchosen.

Warhammer: Thanquol Book 2 is a 64-page rulebook that contains 6 new scenarios inspired by the End Times story and special rules for jungle fighting in Lustria. It also includes background and rules for the full range of new Skaven miniatures, including five Verminlords: Verminlord Corruptor, Verminlord Warbringer, Verminlord Deceiver, Verminlord Warpseer, and Lord Skreech Verminking. As well as this, there are rules and background for the Stormfiends, and Thanquol on the latest incarnation of Boneripper.

Hmm, strange, on the ebook version it also lists the Slayer King Ungrim as the empowered incarnate of fire. Not sure why there's a difference in the description like that.

[Mr Mystery]

Alliance with Archaon?

Could Thanquol be the one to save the Old World? After all, he's not one to share glory. Or power.

[Bigred]

via Mexican Ork (https://www.facebook.com/mexork) 1-9-2015


Giant Rat-Monster-Beast-thingy...
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I would assume that is the new Clan Moulder Rat Construct coming at the end of the Skaven release window.

[Kirsten]

what is that behind the power armoured rat?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

An even bigger rat, with a machine gun.

[Chronowraith]

An even bigger rat, with a machine gun.

Probably the same thing, just a different weapon option.

I see possible ratling gun conversion bait.

[daboarder]

Roundbases for the screaming bells

http://i1.wp.com/waaaghgaming.de/wordpress.waaaghgaming/wordpress_live_6Fu8/wp-content/uploads/thanquol_boneripper_runde_bases.jpg

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Skaven Ultramarines! Their kinda cool actually, i wonder if anyone will use them for Hrud stand-ins.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't think Hrud are described as Ratmen anymore.

[Mr Mystery]

Whilst my wallet, gently weeps.....

[Wildeybeast]

UK website has just gone back up and copies are available. Grabbed mine.

[Erik Setzer]

UK website has just gone back up and copies are available. Grabbed mine.

Yeah, I'm really confused on that... There are still copies available everywhere. They wouldn't have made that many in the print run, knowing they can sell the ebooks and softcovers now and make it look more impressive with "sold out." So why aren't they sold out? If the rush to the site wasn't that big, then someone screwed up (if that DDoS system was in place beforehand, it might have just been set too low with the threshold). It seems they also might have pushed more people to just get the other versions and wait.

Not trying to do conspiracy theories here, genuinely curious. Seems their marketing strategy actually didn't work out as planned, they left a bunch of store managers pissed off, don't get to point to "sold out in five minutes!", and their website wasn't set to handle the traffic. If they're smart, they'll realize this was a dumb idea and ship some of the next batch to the stores.

Eh. Oh well. I'll have my copy next week.

And they finally did do ebook versions of all the books. So if you want to collect them cheaper and have an e-reader, that's an option. I might get those later just so I don't have to carry all the books.

[Path Walker]

The rush to buy hardbacks was when there were no softbacks announced, once the softbacks were an option, people weren't rushing to to get the hardbacks meaning they'll take a bit longer to sell out. Same happened with SoB: Exterminatus

[Erik Setzer]

The rush to buy hardbacks was when there were no softbacks announced, once the softbacks were an option, people weren't rushing to to get the hardbacks meaning they'll take a bit longer to sell out. Same happened with SoB: Exterminatus

Yeah, but they could have sold out on the site if they had less stock and had sent copies to the stores. That presents a perception of rarity, of "I must get this now!" It's marketing. Smoke and mirrors.

End Times books are also more popular than the Shield of Baal books, because they're containing gamewide fluff as well as new rules and stuff. SoB was limited to a few armies. Sure, it had half of Cities of Death... but then they put that in WD (at least a good chunk of it), and Planetstrike showed us you can wait and get an e-version of CoD rules (probably for just $17).

[Path Walker]

No, hardbacks are really expensive to print, so, you want to sell them out, if you think you can sell them out quickly from your own website, you do that, to maximise the return on investment.

Its not smoke and mirrors, its pretty simple business.

[Erik Setzer]

No, hardbacks are really expensive to print, so, you want to sell them out, if you think you can sell them out quickly from your own website, you do that, to maximise the return on investment.

Its not smoke and mirrors, its pretty simple business.

"Simple business" *is* smoke and mirrors with marketing. If they send copies out to their stores (which would almost certainly sell out, like the others have), they have less copies on the site. Those copies would sell quickly, and a big ol' "Sold Out" would be showing. This makes the product look even more desirable to people, and if they didn't already get one, they'll rush to the nearest GW store to try to get one. Boom. You win.

It's the next day and they're not Sold Out. That just doesn't look as impressive, even if they sold more copies on the site yesterday.

I'm not bashing GW when I talk about marketing being full of semi-truths, smoke and mirrors, shenanigans, stuff like that. It's how every company works. Without lying directly to your customers, you should be pulling whatever tricks you can to make your product look more impressive.

[Path Walker]

They sell it to a store for £30 or direct for £45, they'll sell out either way, this time they've chosen the way that gets them the most money.

[Houghten]

Relatedly, I really bloody wish they'd done the Shield of Baal hardbacks in a small format like they did with the Sanctus Reach. Inconsistency is the bane of the collector.

[Mr Mystery]

"Simple business" *is* smoke and mirrors with marketing. If they send copies out to their stores (which would almost certainly sell out, like the others have), they have less copies on the site. Those copies would sell quickly, and a big ol' "Sold Out" would be showing. This makes the product look even more desirable to people, and if they didn't already get one, they'll rush to the nearest GW store to try to get one. Boom. You win.

It's the next day and they're not Sold Out. That just doesn't look as impressive, even if they sold more copies on the site yesterday.

I'm not bashing GW when I talk about marketing being full of semi-truths, smoke and mirrors, shenanigans, stuff like that. It's how every company works. Without lying directly to your customers, you should be pulling whatever tricks you can to make your product look more impressive.

There is advantage to all in selling from a single place. Accessibility. We all know when it's going up, and I'd be surprised if there's many gamers without the internet. Everyone has equal chance to get in and get theirs.

FLGS have been known to order their stock, and then whack it on ebay at scalper prices. By all means not representative of a majority - but it has happened.

People complained when you couldn't order it through the website. Now people complain because you can.

Yes, it's a pain in the arse for GW managers. My local on is also my former manager from when I last worked for GW. We chatted about it being a pain. My solution? When I know it's coming, nip to the store at my convenience, and buy e-vouchers through his terminal. He gets the benefit, without me having to be in store to order.

He now opens later on a Friday to get those orders through the till.

But do remember to share the pain. As much as some might miss out due to it being online exclusive (hardback anyway), do have a pop at scalper parasites who order as many as they can afford, and then ramp up the eBay price, because they're special snowflakes.

[Mr Mystery]

via Mexican Ork (https://www.facebook.com/mexork) 1-9-2015



I would assume that is the new Clan Moulder Rat Construct coming at the end of the Skaven release window.

Those are Stormfiends. Saw the name somewhere (possibly GW website on the Thanquol content explanation?)



Warhammer: Thanquol Book 2 is a 64-page rulebook that contains 6 new scenarios inspired by the End Times story and special rules for jungle fighting in Lustria. It also includes background and rules for the full range of new Skaven miniatures, including five Verminlords: Verminlord Corruptor, Verminlord Warbringer, Verminlord Deceiver, Verminlord Warpseer, and Lord Skreech Verminking. As well as this, there are rules and background for the Stormfiends, and Thanquol on the latest incarnation of Boneripper.

[Eldar_Atog]

I wonder how the Stormfiend compares to a Demon Prince or Greater Demon, size wise.. There appears to be a lot of room for conversion on that thing.

[Mr Mystery]

Erm......twelfty?

So looking forward to Thanquol. I know it's sounding a bit tired, but GW really have knocked it out of the park with this series. Some controversial deaths, lots we didn't see coming - just really enjoyable!

[Arkhan Land]

I don't think Hrud are described as Ratmen anymore.

but looking at those things and knowing about the Hrud/Skaven technology similarities, it just kinda makes me wonder if somehow the theres going to be some sort of related genesis/transition/manufacture. I guess I think itd be cool for something crazy, like, if we have this Space Lizard scenario, and then we had the skaven engineer/manufacture some sort of sabotaging entities that follow these guys into the future parts of the bubble-sea

[Brakkart]

A better look at the Stormfiends from the cover of this weeks White Dwarf:

http://i61.tinypic.com/ic0mmq.jpg

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

They really do look quite 40kish to me, the armour and guns ect

[Brakkart]

They really do look quite 40kish to me, the armour and guns ect

Yeah, can see definite elements of the plastic Ogryns and also the Grotesques in these models. I'm sure they'll see plenty of use as parts for Grotesques, Mutilators and Obliterators in 40k. I do like the name for them, Stormfiends.

[Mr Mystery]

Those are gorgeous!

And whilst I know it might not be on everyone's wishlist, being Skaven creations, I'm hoping for some amusing misfire tables for those!

[Chronowraith]

Those are gorgeous!

And whilst I know it might not be on everyone's wishlist, being Skaven creations, I'm hoping for some amusing misfire tables for those!

Oh, I'm certain they will be amusing. I just hope they don't make them too much of a risk to use. Some of the Skaven weapons I'd at least take but the misfire charts are so horrendous that it's more of a liability.

[Mr Mystery]

Just imagining the one with what I assume to be Ratling Guns misfiring.

Could be effing funny! Amusing malfunctions are one of my favourite things about playing Skaven. Especially when they happen more to the enemy units than the Skaven ones! Still nothing as funny as the mental picture of a burning Warpfire Thrower team running around in panic prior to their detonation!

[Erik Setzer]

But do remember to share the pain. As much as some might miss out due to it being online exclusive (hardback anyway), do have a pop at scalper parasites who order as many as they can afford, and then ramp up the eBay price, because they're special snowflakes.

Oh, I hate the scalpers, too. But they're also enabled by the whole idea of making a limited edition (without calling it such) run of books that are in high demand. Yeah, the softcover and ebook releases softened things a bit, but those of us with three hardcovers already on the shelf (soon to be four) aren't going to want to throw a softcover in there, and the softcovers aren't enough of a savings to want them over hardback. People are "accepting" the softcovers because their only other choice is miss out or pay a scalper a ridiculous amount. I'd love the idea of the softcovers if they weren't priced almost as much as the hardcovers, which can't be excuse as "production costs" and is really just a company knowing people will either pay that price or miss out, and most likely will just bite it and pay for the book.

Meh. Whole thing sucks, because I know there are people out there getting shafted. So far I've been exceptionally lucky, but I'm not just concerned with my own benefit.

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Just imagining the one with what I assume to be Ratling Guns misfiring.

Could be effing funny! Amusing malfunctions are one of my favourite things about playing Skaven. Especially when they happen more to the enemy units than the Skaven ones! Still nothing as funny as the mental picture of a burning Warpfire Thrower team running around in panic prior to their detonation!

While it can make the Skaven less reliable to play in a competitive setting (though you can get around that), I think it's pretty fun to see what's going to happen. Heck, I'll take some of their stuff just to see if it works brilliant or blows up in my face that day. One of the most memorable gaming moments of the past year for me (might have been a bit further back, but close enough) was when I kept having Skaven war machines messing up and told my opponent, "Stop bribing my guys!" (That is, after all, what the charts hint at as a possibility.) He then pulled some change out and tossed it at one of my Ratling Guns... which proceeded to spray my own troops, followed by the next one in line exploding, and my remaining Warp Lightning Cannon being unable to fire for two turns.

The Stormfiends look awesome, and I'm going to have to work hard to find some space in my budget for them. They might be similar to the Morghasts, which are pretty much Daemon Prince sized. The options all look cool, might need multiples (just for the looks). I think the reason they have a touch of 40K look to them could be that one of the designers who does 40K stuff created these new models, guess we'll find out in the magazine. But hey, that's options for 40K armies to use them. Could give me some interesting models for my "Rogue Trader" army, once I figure out what to have them "count as."

[flipchuck]

My question is why did they turn the End Time books into soft cover instead of printing more hard cover? Isn't GW basicly turning all their army books and codex books into hard cover books, anyway?

[Erik Setzer]

My question is why did they turn the End Time books into soft cover instead of printing more hard cover? Isn't GW basicly turning all their army books and codex books into hard cover books, anyway?

Cheaper, especially on a short turnaround. It's likely they didn't think they'd need that many to sell, ended up selling out, and rather than miss out on sales, ran some softcover reprints. There's plenty to criticize on how they did it and the price point (though not as silly as 40K's pint-size codices being $41 as opposed to a full one being $50), but at least it does mean that people who initially missed out will have a chance to get the books.

I'm actually more amazed it took this long to release any ebook versions. While their price is a good bit lower than the hardcover books, it's still more profit per copy, because there's no cost for printing, storing, or shipping, just the initial cost and a minor cost for server storage and bandwidth.

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Not sure these have been posted yet, just saw them in a group chat on Facebook, but prices on Stormfiends and, more interestingly (to me at least), confirmation on a plastic Warlord and Grey Seer. The Stormfiends are a decent price, bit lower than I expected. Good thing, too, as I might end up using them for non-Skaven projects, too.

What's really interesting here is that the Skaven are practically getting the "new book release treatment" with models, but no new book. Which could be a sign that they're just not going to bother with new army books until WFB9/Warhammer-in-Space comes out. And also, Skaven should be sticking around.

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[Mr Mystery]

Those are incredible!

Defo picking up a box just for modelling purposes.

[Erik Setzer]

/faints

[Mr Mystery]

Main thing for me to remember?

I have a lot of things to sort out with February's pay packet. I will not, repeat, will not invest in a new Skaven army (last one was stolen...).....I mean I know I'll likely have the funds, but I must be good.

Mustn't I?

[Erik Setzer]

I feel pretty lucky. I have a Skaven army, it just needs some additions. If people will let me use my old Vermin Lord a while longer, I can hold off on one of them. Haven't replaced either of my Screaming Bells yet. The only things I really need other than the new stuff are a Hellpit Abomination or two, and maybe the Plague Furnace to go with all the Plague Monks I have, and probably a box or two of Stormvermin (depends on how well they mesh with the old ones).

Okay, come to think of it, with the new stuff, that's around $300-$400.

Ouch.

[Chronowraith]

Holding off Verminlord and Thanquol simply because I don't expect I would use them anytime soon and I have a painting backlog longer than I'd care for. The character kits and the Rat Ogres of various flavors I will have to pick up though. Glorious and I will actually use them in games (even if I do like my Grey Seer conversion better)

[Bigred]

via the Old Primarch Missed in the Eye of Terror 1-12-2014


Storm Fiends
85pts

M6 WS4 BS3 S5 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld7 Monstrous Infantry

Unit size 3+

Light Armor (optional warpstone-laced armor; grants the entire unit 4+ armor, but casualties must be pulled from warpstone-laced armor models first. Attacks that target specific models still do so, ignoring the warpstone-laced armor rules )

Each model (each model in a unit may choose differently) must choose from:

- Grinderfists (reroll failed to wounds in assault); S:5, arrives turn 2-3 at a pre-marked position, may shoot or assault upon arrival, d3 automatic hits in assault, magical
- Doom-flayer gauntlets (reroll failed to wounds in assault); +2S, Impact Hits(d3)
- Ratling cannons (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); 18" S5 Armorpiercing, multipleshot(3d6), ignore longrange & multishot penalties, to-hits rolls of "1" hit nearest friendlies, magical
- Shock gauntlets (reroll failed to wounds in assault); +1S, D3 stomp hits, ignores armor
- Warpfire projectors (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); stone thrower, S5, flaming attacks, multiple wounds(D3), misfies casue d6 hits on nearest friendlies, magical
- Windlaunchers (reroll failed to wounds via shooting); stonethrower, 6-24" wound on a 4+,magical, 2d6 scatter on a misfire

Fear, Skirmishers

May not use "Fire on the March, Light troops"

[Houghten]

I assume warpfire projectors are meant to read "fire thrower," not "stone thrower."

[Learn2Eel]

Definitely, the Stormfiend guns are - as expected - basically just portable versions of the Weapon Team guns. At 85 points a model they are expensive as hell - especially seeing as Skaven Rare is already extremely contested (apparently they are confirmed as Rare choices) - but the profile is good, T4 W4 with either 6+ armour or 4+ armour is pretty decent, while they are still great in combat with WS4 S5 A4 and I5. LD7 is pretty high for a Skaven unit, being Skirmishers without some of the rules is nifty. I can't decide which weapons I like the most though, assuming each of them are free choices; still, that they are all free means you can pretty much add whatever you need to your army list. It looks like each Storm Fiend picks two weapons from the list if the Grinderfist entry and the models are anything to go by. These are also far, far better than the Weapon Teams; you pay between 30-15 points more for a super-Rat Ogre profile that still dishes out the same ranged damage. Mini-impressions/reviews of each weapon;

Grinderfists - These are pretty nasty, being able to assault out of "reserves" is unheard of in WHFB (and WH40K). If the D3 automatic hits are in addition to their melee attacks then these are insane, otherwise if they replace your attacks then they are still pretty good just to have a unit pop up in your opponents' backline and go war-machine or character hunting. Combine with either the Ratling Cannons or Warpfire Projectors for maximum hilarity.

Doom-flayer Gauntlets - If you want to slog up the field, these are your best bet for combat; each Rat Ogre having four Strength 7 attacks at WS4 I5....don't forget D3 Impact Hits per model at either Strength 5 or Strength 7. Holy moly!

Ratling Cannons - 18", ignore the two most common shooting penalties - only soft cover and hard cover affect them as far as I can tell - and the unit moves 6" as well so basically an effective 24" range. Strength 5 Armour Piercing means wounding most enemies on 3s or 2s and imposing a -3 armour save penalty. 3D6 shots per Stormfiend means an average of 15 hits per 3 Stormfiends, translating into a bucket load of wounds. Re-rolling all failed to wound rolls in shooting and combat based on whether ranged or melee upgrades are taken is insane! Also, bye-bye Ethereals. Skaven literally don't care about losing Clanrats/Slaves to the friendly hits.

Shock Gauntlets - Strength 6 ignoring armour saves makes these perfect cavalry hunters - Strength 6 is already -3 to armour saves and the best armour save an infantry unit (not character) can get on foot is 3+, reducing that to 6+ - but the D3 Stomps wants to go against infantry.....kind of confused about the role here. Makes it a generalist I guess, pretty awesome though as four attacks that re-roll to wound at Strength 6 and ignore armour will decimate Monstrous Cavalry, especially when Stormfiends are I5.

Warpfire Projectors - A flame-thrower for sure and certain, same awesome fire-thrower that Skaven had already, now on a far tougher and scarier platform. The misfire effect is laughably devoid of risk provided you don't put any of your valuable Monstrous stuff near the Stormfiends.

Windlaunchers - As with the Warpfire Projectors, it's the Stormfiend version of the beloved Poisoned Wind Mortar. Hell to the yes, even if the 2D6 scatter on misfire isn't great - still better than losing the gun....

If these units were/are Special they would be over-powered as heck seeing as Skaven competitive lists usually max out their Rare first and leave most of their spare points in Special (usually Plague Monks and Gutter Runners are preferred), but as Rare choices they have to compete with Warp Lightning Cannons, Doomwheels and Hell Pits, all three of which are effectively must-takes in some capacity. We'll see how these fare but I'm definitely impressed. Being able to mix and match the weapons among the unit means you can come up with some brutal combos, especially if you have one Stormfiend with the Grinderfists and two others with weapons of your choice.

[Chronowraith]

Also of note is that these warpfire projectors (assuming the rumors are complete rules) do not have move or fire.

Personally, I don't care if these are rare. I'd take them. I've settled in on 2 Doomwheels and 2 Warp-Lightning Cannons for a long time. I'd have no problem ditching a Doomwheel or a cannon to add a unit of StormFiends.

[Mr Mystery]

Not sure about the accuracy there. Thinking someone might have misreported the odd bit. For instance - Poisoned Wind stuff - they scatter with the Artillery Dice, rather than D6 or 2D6, and the Misfire is on the Misfire die.

But overall - sounding like a really snacky unit! Dakka that hits you - what's not to like!

[Houghten]

I think you're just reading "2d6 scatter on a misfire" wrong.

Scatter it one artillery dice. On a misfire, instead of blowing up, roll 2d6 and scatter it that much.

It's in line with the fire throwers on Boneripper, which are hardly dangerous at all on a misfire either. Apparently Clan Skyre is pulling out the good stuff for the End Times.

[Mr Mystery]

I think you're just reading "2d6 scatter on a misfire" wrong.

Scatter it one artillery dice. On a misfire, instead of blowing up, roll 2d6 and scatter it that much.

It's in line with the fire throwers on Boneripper, which are hardly dangerous at all on a misfire either. Apparently Clan Skyre is pulling out the good stuff for the End Times.

Possible. Just a couple of oddities which make me wonder if they've misreported - including Fire Throwers being listed as stone throwers, when we'd expect them to be, well, fire throwers.

[Erik Setzer]

Possible. Just a couple of oddities which make me wonder if they've misreported - including Fire Throwers being listed as stone throwers, when we'd expect them to be, well, fire throwers.

Well, they could potentially "throw" flames, like a burst of fire being spat out, rather than a stream of flames. It would also help keep the unit from being too broken if you had, say, six of those in one unit.

[Erik Setzer]

Okay, yeah, they're fire throwers. And a bunch of other questions got answered for me:

http://imgur.com/a/9hRYX

I have to say, that's a LOT of rules for one unit.

[Harbinger Rising]

Okay, yeah, they're fire throwers. And a bunch of other questions got answered for me:

http://imgur.com/a/9hRYX

I have to say, that's a LOT of rules for one unit.


Haven't seen these pics, thanks for the share. Now I know what space Skaven would look like if 40k had them, lol.

Digging the Vermin Lord the most out of all these verminous releases, it just screams 'Skaven' to me.

[Kirsten]

What's New Today:
"There are six narrative scenarios in the box, which take place in the jungles of Lustria, the cramped city streets of Nuln and the Worlds Edge Mountains."

there were definitely Nuln and World's Edge stories in the Gotrek & Felix books, and they almost get to Lustria... ;)

[Mr Mystery]

Currently reading Elfslayer.

Love the moment of clarity for Thanquol....

[Mr Mystery]

Side thought - wonder if these will be popular with Dark Eldar players for Grotesque conversions?

[Harbinger Rising]

Side thought - wonder if these will be popular with Dark Eldar players for Grotesque conversions?

Already been though of, my friend. Their are Dark Eldar players salivating with gruesome conversion dreams as we speak...

[Erik Setzer]

Okay, looking over those pages they showed, I've noticed a few things that have me wanting to see what might be in store this weekend (man, I wish I could get my book tomorrow night, but he's not allowed to give it to me until Saturday...):

1. Lords of Battle Campaigns: No idea what these are, but it sounds interesting. The example they have is a heck of a campaign chart, but it also mentions strategems, plus three characteristics: Persuasion, Planning, and Guile.

2. Dwarfs and Ogres working together. Sign of what's ahead for the Ogres? Or new allies rules?

3. One of the battles references formations, one each for the Dwarfs and Skaven, and gives you page numbers for them. I know there were a couple of Battle Scrolls for Undead that were sort of like formations, but this could be the sign of 40K-style formations becoming a serious part of WFB going into the future.

The End Times really do seem to be a testbed of new ideas...

[Bigred]

via tupavko (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403583-End-Times-Thanquol/page116) 1-15-2015


END TIMES Thanquol Spoilers

+++SPOILER ALERT+++


I did see the book and had some chance to give it a look, so I'll try to write as much as I remember at the moment more details tomorrow:

RULES:

- 3 (i think) different formations in the new book
1 - army of Kharaz-a-Karak with specific units one must take special rules and restrictions (as in 40k)
2 - Lizardmen army with the blessing +1 WS for all skinks (it's a lame one)
3 - Skaven Army

- Warlord trait as in 40k... or something similar (I can't rememebr if it's only campaign related or general rule)


LORE:

PLACES:

Empire:
Graf Boris Todbringer leaves Middenheim in the hands of Valten and Gregor Mertak and goes after Khazrak who he blames for all the bad things happening in his lands. He finds his nemesis but falls into a trap, although he challanges Khazrak, kills him, but at the end he is torn apart by Khazrak's herd
Middenheim is under siege by a combined force of Archaon and Thanquol. Basically the Verminlords decide that Skaven are not strong enought to resist the Lord of the End Times, so Verminking sends Thanquol to speak with Archaon and make a deal. Archaon accepts and uses the skaven as a distraction and to poison the city of Middenheim. Eventually it turns out that Teclis is alive, hinding underground while performing a spell to steal the flame of Ulrik that is protecting the city against the invaders (the reason is not mantioned but it's for a greater good). Because of that the flame of Ulrik dies and people panic all around, so without protection deamons and skaven storm the city and the big fight starts... Archaon fights Valten but he gets kille by Verminlord Deciever's shurken, Gregor Mertak banishes Kayros from the mortla world but cannot resist Archaon.

Lustria:
The skaven use Morrslieb to bombard the Lizardem but thanks to the effort of the Slann mages, some of them survive, although ALL of the SLann mages are slain in the process and are basically as Lord Kroak... This guy awakens and beats death, retuns to life just to save certain areas of Lustria by creating magical orbs that lift those lands and set them into the void" (YES WELCOME BUBBLEHAMMER, POKEHAMMER, WARHAMMERBALL ). After that Kroak dies again, and the prophet of SOtek dies too... Tet'o EKo is alive, as Krok Gar (i believe). Clan pestilens is seriously comprimised...

Kharaz-a-Karak:
the battle between skaven, dwarfs and gobbos start at the EIght Peaks, with Queek falling into Skarsnik's trap, althought the Skaven arre much stronger, and Gobbla gets killed so SKasnik loses all of his will to fight... Belegar gets killed by Queek and his head is taken away. At a certain point a Verminlord takes the head to Skarsnik as a token of peace, and he gives him also a warpstone bomb to take to Zhufbar, but Skarsnik think it's a much better idea to detonate the Eight Peaks so he'll be rememebered as the true last king of the mountain and he takes his waaagh and leaves forever those lands for a new unnamed destination.
After that Ikit Claw and QUeek lay siege to Kharaz-a-Kharak, the skaven have the biggest army in the history of the Old World, they even manage to brake the gate, but at that very the skaven army gets charged by the Bugman's rangers and Ungrim's slayers... Thay kill so many skaven that the army starts to panic, so Thorgrim has the chance to get close to Queek, and so he orders his bearers to put him on the ground and challanges the Skaven Warlord... Queek accepts makes some crazy ninja moves, yet Throgrim is much more stonger than him, so he manages to catch the skaven chief and after saying some epic words breakes his neck.... The clan Mors gets buchered Ikit Claw gets killed (but it's not true), and the dwarrfs win one of the biggest vistories in their history. Clan mors is destroyed... So at the end, Ungrim leaves to go help the EMpire with an army of ONLY slayers, Bugman speaks to Throgrim, and then goes away, and Throgrim gets back to the fortress of Kharaz-a-Karak, goes to think in a secret chamber, but he gets surprised by Snitch who kills him, draws some runes in order to summon the Deceiver, in order to open the gates and let the smaller clans (underground) strorm the fortress (at least that's the plan but the story stops before the invasion)



GENERAL:
Chaos moves south, yet from the west dragon roars are herd in the empire while from the East the Ogre Kingdoms are about to arrive... Nagash moves north although he is slowed down by greenskins and dwarfs (in separate moments)



CHARACTERS:

Empire:
- Graf Boris Todbringr killed by beastmen
- Gregor Mertak killed after banishing Kaiyros
- Valten killed by a shuriken from the Deceiver

Skaven:
- Queek killed by Throgrim
- Ikit Claw killed/wounded
- Thanquol allied with Archaon

Chaos:
- Khazrak killed ina duel
- Kaiyros bannished by Gregor

Dwarfs:
- Thorgrim killed by SNitch
- Belegar killed
- Ungrim Avatar of fire

Elves:
- Teclis is alave and he stole the flame of Ulrik

Lizardmen:
- Mazdamundi dead
- Lord Kroak dead
- Prpehet of Sotek dead.


I think that's it for the moment... Some things might be slightly wrong since I read it really quickly in order to get as many infos as I could... I tried to be as precise as possible yet, I cannot guarantee that evrything is 100% true, but almost!

(regarding Lizardmen "floating structures")
...Those are not spaceships: Chunks of Morrslieb fall upon Lustria (not meteors and yes Itza is destroyed) so forest burns and lizzies die... yet the Slann mages create a sort of force fields in order to deflect those warpstones falling from the skies, however all of them die. Mazdamundi is the last one. However their spirits are stil alive pretty much as Lord Kroak. Kroak sees things are going pretty bad, so he manages somehow to cheat death and creates "magical orbs" taht lift and preserve pieces of Lustria i the "void" (these are the exact same words GW used in the book NOT WARP but VOID, so I thought about the bubble rumors)... In this war between skaven and lizards, even the clan Pestilens is pretty weakened and Lord Nurglithc himself is wounded by Kroq Gar

(regarding Valten)
...He is dueling against Archaon... at a certain point Verminlord Deceiver throws a shuriken at him and hits him in the neck...

One funny thing is that for some reason GW seems to have a passion for cutting the heads off: Throgrim, Belegar, Valten Only headshots :P

[RGilbert26]

Nice information, shame the guy couldn't be bothered to proof read it.

[daboarder]

Sorry lizzies, GW gone done you in.

BUT NO! we still dont believe our belevolent GW masters would actually write off armies and turn us into "space bubbles" after all they haven't told us their genius justification for us to continually spout as word of god....just wait until they do and we start justifying as opposed to the current denial

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Who plays Lizardmen though?

[Houghten]

Every army has at least one player at my UFLGS, even Chaos Dwarfs.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Awwwwh sweet! The 1%!

[Houghten]

Admittedly, so far he only has a Hellsmith and some Fireglaives, but he still counts!

[eldargal]

Seems ok so far, Neferata doesn't get et by rats so that is a plus.

[Mr Mystery]

Sorry lizzies, GW gone done you in.

BUT NO! we still dont believe our belevolent GW masters would actually write off armies and turn us into "space bubbles" after all they haven't told us their genius justification for us to continually spout as word of god....just wait until they do and we start justifying as opposed to the current denial

I dunno dude.

This certainly adds colour to the rumour - but I'm wondering if the floatylizardcities are the source of a confused rumour.

First up, nobody else on the Warhams World is really capable of repeating that feat.

We've also see the wholesale abandonment of The New World - Naggaroth is no more, Skaven don't need it.

Lizardmen moving house (up to the void, then potentially (my suspicion only) back down at some point when it's all blown over.

Interested to see what happens now. Especially as Teclis has been thieving - wonder what he's up to?

[Erik Setzer]

When Araloth is sent into that dark pocket dimension Lileath told him to step into, she said something about a cycle that goes over and over, and they'd need their daughter to reseed the world. It feels like it'd make more sense that they're setting up to smash up the world so much they can redraw the map completely, with a new world, and changing the races to fit this new Warhammer world. Not bubbles of a broken world, but a completely remade world trying to start over.

Guess we won't know until summer.

[Mr Mystery]

Indeed.

I can now see how the rumour might in fact be accurate, but crucially, I can also see how chinese (Cathayan?) whispers might have kicked in - and personal prejudice is that it's Cathayan Whispers.

Still not sure the fifth book is the end of it all though?

[Erik Setzer]

The fifth book could well be the end. One final massive battle to have it out, in the middle of the Empire. Teclis completes his scheme. We maybe hear something of what the Orcs are up to. Nagash does... something?

So far, if I'm recalling things right and reading the above right (and it's accurate), I think this is the general run-down:

- Naggaroth was overrun, Ulthuan sank, all the Elves fought, and the remaining Elves are now in Athel Loren, with Araloth and his daughter (from a goddess) in a void-pocket waiting to reseed the world.
- All of the Slann are dead, and the other Lizardmen got protected in magical floating bubbles in a void.
- Most of the Dwarfs have been slaughtered, and it seems the majority left are Slayers.
- Bretonnia is gone.
- Tilea, Estalia, and the Border Princes are gone. (But they didn't have an army in WFB.)
- The Undead reunited under Nagash.
- A lot of the Empire is gone, and it's likely that what's left will lead to changes in their army.
- The Ogres had to flee their homeland, and likely split up to fight as mercenaries (full circle, eh?).
- Skarsnik has a bunch of Night Goblins going somewhere to go do their own thing. No word on other types of Goblins.
- A lot of the Skaven are dead, clans wrecked left and right. Thanquol's helping Archaon, with the Skaven hedging their bets with Chaos.

I get a feeling we'll hear more on Grimgor in the Archaon book.

So, from all of that, it seems that we will get pushed ahead a ways and the world will be, at the very least, quite different. I don't know about floating islands, because that sounds dumb and makes no sense. But they've set up a way for the map to change so it's no longer pseudo-earth.

Different types of Undead, Elves, and Chaos are all combined again. Elves would likely shift to one aesthetic. Dwarfs seem to be mostly Slayers, which is a pretty unique theme as Dwarfs go. Skaven might be squeezed in with Chaos. Ogres are just everywhere. Heck, Dwarfs and Ogres in with the humans might make sense, given that their homelands are wrecked and there's not many left of either. Lizardmen threw Slann out the window and are now mostly the plastic kits, without the uber-mages. Who knows with Orcs and Goblins, because Tom Kirby hates green people. (If you tell me he's not CEO, I'll still note he has an important role, so you don't mess up my slogan, motto, whatever.)

So okay. Yeah, I can see the army groupings being accurate. And an entirely new world in some way. Just... not bubbles. Please, not bubbles. I hope that was someone catching wind of the Lizardmen's story and just applying it to everyone.

[Mr Mystery]

Reckon there'll be six. Archaon may well be next, but O&G have to have one! Especially as apparently Skarsnik is up to something!

[Erik Setzer]

I would love to see O&G get one, especially as they're my top army in everything GW (well, aside from LOTR, but those are a different kind of Orc), but I'm not sure we'll get any love. But hey, it could happen!

I'm going to stick with my theory that if the world *is* blown up, it'll be from the force of Grimgor headbutting Archaon again and saying, "This time, it's gonna stick!"

[Mr Mystery]

With the bubbles - I just don't see how that would work for anyone except Lizardmen.

Man doesn't have that sort of power, and the Elves already have an 'out'. Stunties would do what they do, and go sit in their holds until things have calmed down a bit. Undead? Good thing about being Undead? You don't need a hospitable environment. It's even said many times in the background Vampires don't need blood - they can exist purely off Magic (Blood just give them the instant oomph. Like espresso compared to water I guess)

[Erik Setzer]

Not sure the stunties can just sit in their holds. The abridged fluff above says that they went back in their, Sniktch killed the king and opened the floodgates for the lesser clans. So what's left of the Dwarfs in their own empire is being overrun by Skaven, with the Slayers going to help the Empire fight.

[Death Shroud]

I can see Grimgor and Skarsnik becoming the new Gork and Mork.

[Erik Setzer]

I can see Grimgor and Skarsnik becoming the new Gork and Mork.

Don't recall if it was stated in one of the books or rumored, but I think Grimgor is the Fist of Mork, and Skarsnik the Hand of Gork. They're basically already the "avatars" of the greenskin gods. I'm not sure stepping up to become gods would really help the story, though. And that didn't work out too well for the elves, either. (Too soon?)

[Houghten]

It was heavily implied in the intro to Nagash, only you've got Gork and Mork upside down.

[Anggul]

A bit of a crappy end for Valten. He was supposed to be the big hero for the empire but in end times he just feels like a footnote that they begrudgingly included. He really should have been in the epic final battle.

I think the key to all of this is Lileath and her shenanigans including Teclis and Araloth. The whole 'cycle of the world' thing does indeed seem to be setting the world up for a reboot rather than blowing into pocket dimensions permanently.

[Erik Setzer]

It was heavily implied in the intro to Nagash, only you've got Gork and Mork upside down.

Yeah, that happens when you're barely awake sitting in a cube with nothing to do...

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Thorgrim and Belegar dead... =\ A Slayer as Fire Mage potentially? I'm intrigued...

[White Tiger88]

Seems ok so far, Neferata doesn't get et by rats so that is a plus.

For all we know that might be the title of Neferata's new Fetish to keep things interesting.............................

[Kesher]

Checkout my review on the new Thanquol End Times Book IV.

http://spikeybitsblog.com/?s=thanquol


http://youtu.be/x_4iSJDUNQI

[flipchuck]

So...Valten died a cheap death? What happen to Ghal Maraz? Who has it now?

On a side note....some Herald of Sigmar Valten turned out to be. He's been used twice now in the Warhammer's fluff and both times he dies way too quick. The model for the 2nd time around hasn't been out for even for a full year and the guy is dead. Glad I didn't spend $85+ on his model. At least with Karl Franz, even if his model is no more in 9th edition, at least I can easily convert his model into a General of the Empire riding a Imperial Griffon.

[Kesher]

It's on top of Archaon's throne in middenheim, along with their skulls. :(

Well he smashed Valten's skull when he's chatting with what's either an invisible Khorne (right?) or a unnammed khornaite baddie possibly the third variant blood thirster that's rumored to be coming in plastic.

Checkout my unboxing of the new End Times model Thanquol on Boneripper!
http://spikeybitsblog.com/?s=thanquol
(http://spikeybitsblog.com/?s=thanquol)

http://youtu.be/wDrVxGk51dg

[Mr Mystery]

See those Stormfiends? This pic from GW's What's New Today?

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources//blogs/2015/01/19/WA2MMLKZSUZOWGMY5NJU5Q4YALHA53SD/5xl.jpg

Yes. I am so, so sold!

[eldargal]

Damn that reminds me of a British politician but I can't quite recall which.

[Mr Mystery]

Small, laughable, rodent like.....Michael Gove?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

They are quite twisted and weird.

I approve of them.

[FireHazard]

Krang.


That is all.

[eldargal]

Got it, it's:
http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article3415356.ece/alternates/s615/PM2912129POLITICS-Europe-1.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Yes....I too see it.

Except, y'know, even the scummiest Skaven has more moral fibre and a less atrophied sense of decency than Farage.

[Path Walker]

Today, I read that Skaven the name comes from the way bizare 80s TV pupper Roland Rat would say "It's Kevin".

Andy Chambers and Tony Ackland unfortunately shot that down and confirmed its just a shortening of the word Skavenger. Which is a shame as the Ronland Rat story is much funnier.