All Hail the Pocket Star Destroyer (FFG announces Imperial EPIC ship)

[0rph3u5]

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=5274

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/large-ships/imperial-raider/SWX30-product-shot-tall.png
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/large-ships/imperial-raider/raider-right.png

Looks like its 4 0 8 6 for the Fore section and 6 0 8 4 for the Aft section, but a 160° (?) arc instead of a turret primary.

New cards for the TIE Adv.:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/large-ships/imperial-raider/commander-alozen.png
first of what appear to be 4 new pilots

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/large-ships/imperial-raider/tiex1.png http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/large-ships/imperial-raider/adv-targeting-computer.png
(looks like 4 of each)

[40kGamer]

Yippee! I was hoping they would release an Imperial ship for Epic play! :)

[wayne williams]

wow that looks very nice.

[Mr Mystery]

Ladies. Gentleman.

Start. Your. Flailing.....

[Tyrendian]

Let's get ready to FLAAAAIIIIILLLLLLLL...
holy moly nice one! And even some love for the much maligned TIE/Adv...

[40kGamer]

Let's get ready to FLAAAAIIIIILLLLLLLL...
holy moly nice one! And even some love for the much maligned TIE/Adv...

Maybe this will improve the Tie Advanced like Rebel Aces did the A-Wing. :)

[0rph3u5]

Maybe this will improve the Tie Advanced like Rebel Aces did the A-Wing. :)

Not just maybe; Accuracy Corrector for free or at 1 points getting an additional crit result will fix the rather underwhelming damage output that plagued the Advanced so far - Maarek Steele will become down right nasty now at 28 points

[eldargal]

*high pitched squealing*

[Houghten]

To borrow my own words from the Disqus thread:


I did not expect them to make up a ship instead of shrinking the Lancer.

I'd also call this a missed opportunity to do a TIE Advanced with an alternate shape (ie the TIE Avenger) rather than an alternate paintjob...

I'll still be getting one. I'm undecided as to whether or not I like the Raider itself,* but I need those TIE Advanced cards more than I need hot water and electricity. I will definitely be putting together a Maarek Stele list. By which I mean I will have Maarek Stele off by himself and a flight of TIE Interceptors so he has somebody to show off to. Because that is how Maarek Stele do.

*I have a pathological reaction to ships and vehicles made up to fill an arbitrary niche (like pretty much anything original to Galactic Battlegrounds), or that are made up to fill a niche that was already filled up by something someone else made up (the TIE Hunter wasn't something that needed to exist when the TIE Avenger already did), or that are both at the same time (the Decimator's raison d'être is so that Imperial players of Jump To Lightspeed could have a Falcon equivalent. You know what the Imperial equivalent of the YT-1300 is? THE FREAKING YT-1300!). Some things just make sense to have. "Protect AT-ATs from any more clever people with harpoons and tow cables" is a valid reason to develop the AT-AA. "The ability to strike anywhere without warning" is perfectly in line with the Tarkin Doctrine and so developing the Phantom TIE is something the Empire would do with great enthusiasm. But the Raider exists because FFG wants Imperial players to be able to play with a Huge ship. It's metagamey.

[eldargal]

Yeah that kind of annoys me too (especially teh bloody TIE Hunter) but I do get FFGs need to keep each side clearly separate (so no Imperial YT-1300s & new ships instead) and most importantly it's super pretty.:p

[Houghten]

If each side were clearly separate, Scum wouldn't have any Z-95s, Y-Wings, HWKs or Firesprays.

It is rather pretty. I like the way it's small enough to have solar panels instead of an ionisation reactor. I suspect it will grow on me.
(Edit: I've decided I also like the notches in the middle. They're reminiscent of the Venator.)

And you never know; if they're willing to make up new things themselves, maybe they're willing to use Rebels stuff. I'd love to get a wave with a VCX-100 and a Gozanti cruiser.

[0rph3u5]

Some people looked hard at FFG's page again and found this card:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/news/large-ships/imperial-raider/ion-cannon-battery.png

[eldargal]

If each side were clearly separate, Scum wouldn't have any Z-95s, Y-Wings, HWKs or Firesprays.

It is rather pretty. I like the way it's small enough to have solar panels instead of an ionisation reactor. I suspect it will grow on me.
(Edit: I've decided I also like the notches in the middle. They're reminiscent of the Venator.)

And you never know; if they're willing to make up new things themselves, maybe they're willing to use Rebels stuff. I'd love to get a wave with a VCX-100 and a Gozanti cruiser.
I meant more the Rebels and Imperials, need to keep them separate but you can fudge the lines a bit with pirates.

I hope for Rebels stuff too, so far that would be the Ghost YT_whatever and the Imperial transport. Which also has a civilian model.

[Houghten]

It occurs to me that "Raider" isn't a very Star Destroyer-y name for what is clearly meant to be a mini Star Destroyer. The Acclamator, Venator, Victor(y), Imperator (later renamed Imperial) and Executor classes set something of a pattern.

My knowledge of Latin isn't very good, but a little research suggests that "Praedator" is the word that most closely translates to "Raider" while fitting the "-tor" pattern. Unfortunately, it would inevitably get misspelled "Predator" by hundreds of players. Anybody got some better ideas?

[0rph3u5]

It occurs to me that "Raider" isn't a very Star Destroyer-y name for what is clearly meant to be a mini Star Destroyer. The Acclamator, Venator, Victor(y), Imperator (later renamed Imperial) and Executor classes set something of a pattern.

correct me if I'm wrong - latin class has been ten years ago, and even if I still use it as stundent of History my latin is very, very rusty:

acclamare - to pronounce s.o./to give a title to s.o.
venerare - to worship/honour s.o.
vincere - to win s.th.
imperare - to command s.o.

predare (?) - to hunt

rapere - to steal s.th. (the use of violence is implied)

So Raptor-class would but my pick

[Mr Mystery]

But it's not a Star Destroyer. It's a Raider. It's not meant to cow systems, but nip in, smash stuff up in the face and shoot down all your doods, then nick off again before the big boys come out to play and kick all it's teeth down it's throat.

[Path Walker]

To borrow my own words from the Disqus thread:



I'll still be getting one. I'm undecided as to whether or not I like the Raider itself,* but I need those TIE Advanced cards more than I need hot water and electricity. I will definitely be putting together a Maarek Stele list. By which I mean I will have Maarek Stele off by himself and a flight of TIE Interceptors so he has somebody to show off to. Because that is how Maarek Stele do.

*I have a pathological reaction to ships and vehicles made up to fill an arbitrary niche (like pretty much anything original to Galactic Battlegrounds), or that are made up to fill a niche that was already filled up by something someone else made up (the TIE Hunter wasn't something that needed to exist when the TIE Avenger already did), or that are both at the same time (the Decimator's raison d'être is so that Imperial players of Jump To Lightspeed could have a Falcon equivalent. You know what the Imperial equivalent of the YT-1300 is? THE FREAKING YT-1300!). Some things just make sense to have. "Protect AT-ATs from any more clever people with harpoons and tow cables" is a valid reason to develop the AT-AA. "The ability to strike anywhere without warning" is perfectly in line with the Tarkin Doctrine and so developing the Phantom TIE is something the Empire would do with great enthusiasm. But the Raider exists because FFG wants Imperial players to be able to play with a Huge ship. It's metagamey.

In the real world, on just one planet, we have multiple manufactors are forces using many different types of vehicle for the same role, using two different TIEs for the same role isn't so bad really, its a big galaxy

[Houghten]

rapere - to steal s.th. (the use of violence is implied)

So Raptor-class would but my pick

I wondered about "Raptor" but my research suggested it meant "rapist" rather than "robber," so I didn't really want to consider it. Hopefully I was just wrong.


But it's not a Star Destroyer. It's a Raider. It's not meant to cow systems, but nip in, smash stuff up in the face and shoot down all your doods, then nick off again before the big boys come out to play and kick all it's teeth down it's throat.

It's a wedge-y ship manufactured by Kuat Drive Yards. That's what I mean by "Star Destroyer," rather than a role a ship plays. After all, Imperial-class Star Destroyers are not themselves destroyers, which are small escort ships, but more like Star Battleships.


In the real world, on just one planet, we have multiple manufactors are forces using many different types of vehicle for the same role, using two different TIEs for the same role isn't so bad really, its a big galaxy

Except that all the TIEs are manufactured by Seinar Fleet Systems.
The 40k galaxy is pretty big. Hyperdrives and the Holonet make the GFFA pretty small. There's no reason for Seinar to not internally distribute their own specs to their own plants.

[Path Walker]

I wondered about "Raptor" but my research suggested it meant "rapist" rather than "robber," so I didn't really want to consider it. Hopefully I was just wrong.



It's a wedge-y ship manufactured by Kuat Drive Yards. That's what I mean by "Star Destroyer," rather than a role a ship plays. After all, Imperial-class Star Destroyers are not themselves destroyers, which are small escort ships, but more like Star Battleships.



Except that all the TIEs are manufactured by Seinar Fleet Systems.
The 40k galaxy is pretty big. Hyperdrives and the Holonet make the GFFA pretty small. There's no reason for Seinar to not internally distribute their own specs to their own plants.

Its plausable that such a large corporation would have more than one R&D department though and they might be working of ships to fulfil the same roles, just saying, its not the silliest thing about star wars ships. the fact that they act like aeroplanes is a lot dafter.

[0rph3u5]

I wondered about "Raptor" but my research suggested it meant "rapist" rather than "robber," so I didn't really want to consider it. Hopefully I was just wrong.

You are not wrong, you just overestimated the sensitivity to rape as subject matter in the latin source material

"to take" or "to rob" a woman from her home/father/husband is in the language of the source material is used to imply sexual violence but the terms are to talk about the theft of objects or the looting of places ...

(I meant not to give offense by the suggestion of "raptor" as a designation, although I know the full implication; we are talking about a vessel that is tool of tyranny after all. But if it is found to be objectionable I'm glad we talked about it and dismiss it as a result of discussion)

[Chris*ta]

venerare - to worship/honour s.o.

Actually, it's from 'venare' "to hunt"


I wondered about "Raptor" but my research suggested it meant "rapist" rather than "robber," so I didn't really want to consider it. Hopefully I was just wrong.

Not really. 'Rapere' is primarily "to seize" or "to take". So, the famous Rape of the Sabine Women from early Roman history is a mass kidnapping followed by Stockholm syndrome, which isn't really better than rape, (and probably included some rape in fact) but wife stealing has a good historical basis and, umm, I think this is getting off-topic ...

So, for 'raptor' picture the velociraptors from Jurassic Park, and not sexual violence. And on that note, I give you Root Her (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/09/fan_fiction_friday_jurassic_park_guys_and_a_veloci .php), a Jurassic Park slashfic.

Oh, NSFW. Actually, just not safe. And includes too many uses of the word "Velocigina". Which, oddly, should be the name of a spaceship ...

[Mr Mystery]

Here's hoping for a March/April release!

No real reasons, except I don't like waiting :p

Perhaps their recent merger/takeover/buyout will improve their logistics, and get us our pew pew with greater reliability!

[mars-minis]

I really want to start a space fleet game. Should I buy into Firestorm Armada or wait for this? Choices, choices...

[Mr Mystery]

Both!

From what I've seen of Armada on the FFG previews, it's more 'ballet' - long sweeping manoeuvres, as opposed to the more frantic X-Wing :)

[0rph3u5]

Digging this up because new Imperial Raider pre-view!

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/4/24/the-might-of-the-empire/

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/f5/83/f5833377-d9d7-4c86-973a-4fe25f134383/raider-class-corv-fore.pnghttps://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/70/60/70608bb3-51ca-40fe-870c-8e67d142e5cf/raider-class-corv-aft.png
So stats and ship cards are offical now

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/80/cd/80cde374-ef52-49e9-8b9e-d2e1aef3c383/ion-cannon-battery.png
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/01/02/01025a2c-3d84-462a-87b4-3a28d577ede7/grand-moff-tarkin.png https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/86/36/863696de-b17b-4983-b3a0-f62e6376f11b/captain-needa.png https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/3a/c0/3ac005f9-998d-4987-aef4-826caf9015cd/admiral-ozzel.png
I see Tarkin and Fleet Officer going to be thing. Needa and Mara Jade might be good fit too. Dunno what to make of Ozzel.

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/b8/b3/b8b3100e-8356-4af5-ba6f-b667145077cf/swx30-fire-arc-diagram-v2.jpg
When I first saw those firing arcs, I thought there would be a blind spot but no overlap ... and here I thought my spacial reasoning was excellent...

[Brenlak]

Grand Moff Tarkin artwork is the same as the card from Armada.

[Mr Mystery]

It's on the boat!

*flails*

At long bloody last. Seems it's time to dust off the TIE Advances!