7th Ed - Dettachments?

[Tirnaog]

Morning,

For a battle Forged army how many dettachments can you have in the army?
Is it only 2?
How many HQs is that? 2 or 4?
I had thought you could have as many dettachments as you liked with each one having 2 HQs.
but now I am not sure.

Thanks

[energongoodie]

Morning,

For a battle Forged army how many dettachments can you have in the army?
Is it only 2?
How many HQs is that? 2 or 4?
I had thought you could have as many dettachments as you liked with each one having 2 HQs.
but now I am not sure.

Thanks

You can have as many detachments as you like as long as they are from the same faction.
As far as the Hq's go you can have as many as allowed by the FOC of that detachment per detachment( wolves can have for example ).

Then you can have an allied detachment as well, formations, Knights....
It's all about more.

[hyudun]

You can have as many detachments as you like as long as they are from the same faction.
As far as the Hq's go you can have as many as allowed by the FOC of that detachment per detachment( wolves can have for example ).


Many tournaments (NOT held by GW) have placed additional, varying restrictions, such as only allowing 1 Combined Arms Detachment or only allowing 2 sources used, so you (Tiranog) may read about those in various articles and posts.

[Tirnaog]

only interested in the basic ruleset atm. not any tournament ruleset.
:)

[Rob Godin]

You can have as many detachments as you like as long as they are from the same faction.

They don't even have to be the same faction! However, if the faction is different, it is subject to the rules for allies.
So you can even have GK allied with Daemons if they deploy 12' away from each other and try to avoid being within 6' of each other during the game.
Basically - if you can dream it, you can do it.

[Aaron LeClair]

To stay Battle forge you need to follow this chart(say 6th but still up to date as far as I know) http://www.3plusplus.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Force-Org.png

[hyudun]

only interested in the basic ruleset atm. not any tournament ruleset.
:)

I just was pre-empting any confusion that may be caused by you reading various other sources that mention being limited beyond what the folks on this thread are saying. :)

[Rob Godin]

To stay Battle forge you need to follow this chart(say 6th but still up to date as far as I know) http://www.3plusplus.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Force-Org.png

Nope - 6th Ed only. The 2000pt duel-force org limit was removed in 7th. I'd give you a page link but can't link you to something that is not there.
As long as your detachment hits the minimum 1HQ, 2 Troop for your primary detachment, and 1HQ, 1 Troop for allies (or 1HQ, 2 Troop if you want access to additional lords of war or fortifications) then you can have as many detachments as you want / can fit inside the points limit.

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UPDATE -
Rule book pg 120, first paragraph
"you can include any number and type of detachments in a battle-forged army provided you have sufficient units. Simply select a type of detachment and organise some or all of your units so that they fit within the restrictions and limitations detailed on that particular detachment"

[energongoodie]

Don't know where I thought I read they had to be the same faction!?!?! :confused:

[Charistoph]

Nope - 6th Ed only. The 2000pt duel-force org limit was removed in 7th. I'd give you a page link but can't link you to something that is not there.
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UPDATE -
Rule book pg 120, first paragraph
"you can include any number and type of detachments in a battle-forged army provided you have sufficient units. Simply select a type of detachment and organise some or all of your units so that they fit within the restrictions and limitations detailed on that particular detachment"

Correct.


They don't even have to be the same faction! However, if the faction is different, it is subject to the rules for allies.
So you can even have GK allied with Daemons if they deploy 12' away from each other and try to avoid being within 6' of each other during the game.
Basically - if you can dream it, you can do it.

Correct. Even Come the Apocalypse Allies can be included as in Rob's example. While they can be within 6" of each other during the game, they make lock themselves up like in 6th Edition, but they cannot Deploy within 12".


As long as your detachment hits the minimum 1HQ, 2 Troop for your primary detachment, and 1HQ, 1 Troop for allies (or 1HQ, 2 Troop if you want access to additional lords of war or fortifications) then you can have as many detachments as you want / can fit inside the points limit.

Incorrect. Your Primary Detachment is NOT restricted to the Combined Arms Detachment and can be any version of Detachment, with some exceptions like the Allied Detachment. I can have a Reclusiam Command Squad as a Primary Detachment with the Chaplain as my Warlord, or the new Champions of Fenris Detachment can be the Primary so long as the Warlord is part of that Detachment.

[Rob Godin]

Correct.

Incorrect. Your Primary Detachment is NOT restricted to the Combined Arms Detachment and can be any version of Detachment, with some exceptions like the Allied Detachment. I can have a Reclusiam Command Squad as a Primary Detachment with the Chaplain as my Warlord, or the new Champions of Fenris Detachment can be the Primary so long as the Warlord is part of that Detachment.

well spotted. I forgot there are new detachments available now (outside of the main rulebook).

I should have said something more like
"as long as you hit the minimum requirement for each detachment, you can field as many as you wish."

[phoenix01]

Okay, now I'm confused (I'm just starting to get into the 7th edition rules). What's the difference between a detachment and a formation? Can a formation be a detachment or vice versa? A Combined Arms Detachment is the old Force Organization Chart, right?

For example, can I run a Space Marine primary detachment of a captain, Tigurius, and three tactical squads with an secondary detachment of a librarian, a scout squad, and a tactical squad, and the Strike Force Ultra formation and still be considered Battle Forged?

[Charistoph]

Okay, now I'm confused (I'm just starting to get into the 7th edition rules). What's the difference between a detachment and a formation?

A Detachment is any collection of units that fill an established FOC. A Formation is a Detachment with a very specific FOC, requiring specific units (and sometimes in a specific size and configuration) and no more. Non-Formation Detachments require Roles to be filled and provide options for more Roles beyond that.


A Combined Arms Detachment is the old Force Organization Chart, right?

Pretty much. It takes the 6th Edition Primary Detachment FOC and adds a single Lord of War slot to it. This makes it 1-2 HQ, 2-6 Troops, 0-3 Elites, 0-3 Fast Attack, 0-3 Heavy Support, 0-1 Fortification, and 0-1 Lord of War.


For example, can I run a Space Marine Primary Combined Arms detachment of a captain, Tigurius, and three tactical squads with an Second Combined Arms detachment of a librarian, a scout squad, and a tactical squad, and the Strike Force Ultra formation and still be considered Battle Forged?

Yes. A Battle-Forged Army of 3 Detachments, with the bolded changes. Also keep in mind that the the second Combined Arms Detachment and SFU Formation can be Ultramarines or one of the other C:SM Chapter Traits. If the Second Detachment is NOT Ultramarines, it could even be listed as an Allied Detachment.