Truescale: A trek into the unknown

[Duke]

Ok so this is the first time I am trying to go into True-scale... May the Emperor watch over me! I am basing it off the Terminator legs and the front of the Terminator torso. The arms and shoulder armor are also. termie. Here are some preliminary pics... More on my website www.dukesinferno.com

Thoughts, tips and comments always welcome.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Veahirin/IMG_0223.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Veahirin/IMG_0214.jpg


More to come later

Duke

[Lamenter]

You're going the right way with the spacer between the chest plates. I'd suggest clipping the hip plates off, as they're rarely ever present on power armour, and make the conversion look too obvious a conversion (ie: the best conversions are the ones you can't tell are conversions ;)).

The height seems about right too. Certainly a good start, lets see some more :D

[Duke]

Thanks for the support, I spent most of the night yesterday building the gut and belt. Ill post pics later today... I just need to find my proper camera cause my phone isn't that great at taking small pics.

Duke

[Lamenter]

I posted a link to my "Actual Scale" tutorial in your other thread, but I'll put it here too.

http://masteroftheforge.com/tutorials/

[Duke]

That is an awsome Tutorial! I am currently having trouble with the gut section, and I think the Greenstuff putty I am using is too soft.

Questions:
- what thickness are you using for the trim on the Shoulder pad?

- Why put the Green stuff for the shoulder to mount the armoured pad on? Isn't it a Termie shoulder and a termie pad?

- I was thinking of keeping the hip pads on this one and making the armour "Mk8" But your right that it shouldn't look like a "conversion," when Im done.

I tired to do the plasticard trim, but the plasticard broke when I bent it... Perhaps I was using something too thick. Again, great tutorial! Thanks a million

Duke

[Madness]

Noob attack. Can someone define "truescale" to me?

[lobster-overlord]

Space Marines are supposed to be bigger and taller than the average being in the universe (7 ft, 450 lbs etc). But all the models are the same height, so "truescale" is upsizing the figure to be accurate when compared to other beings (minis). Adding about 1/8th or 1/4th an inch.

[Lamenter]

Noob attack. Can someone define "truescale" to me?

lobster-overlord is spot on.

There are some other terms banded about for scaled up minis (not always Space Marines).

Truescale: is technically the art of not just creating a mini in the correct size when compared to other minis, but is also correctly proportioned within itself (ie: more lifelike)

Actual Scale: a term created by Doghouse (one of the best known Truescalers). Refers to a mini that is simply the correct scale when compared to other minis.

Artscale: a term I came up with (I kinda stopped using it, but I might start trying to get it to catch on :D). Basically, creating minis that are scaled up true to GWs artwork, which rarely ever fails to inspire. For me this is not just about having a mini the right height, or size, but also giving it a sense of mass/weight.



That is an awsome Tutorial! I am currently having trouble with the gut section, and I think the Greenstuff putty I am using is too soft.

Questions:
- what thickness are you using for the trim on the Shoulder pad?

- Why put the Green stuff for the shoulder to mount the armoured pad on? Isn't it a Termie shoulder and a termie pad?

- I was thinking of keeping the hip pads on this one and making the armour "Mk8" But your right that it shouldn't look like a "conversion," when Im done.

I tired to do the plasticard trim, but the plasticard broke when I bent it... Perhaps I was using something too thick. Again, great tutorial! Thanks a million

Duke

Thanks.

My greenstuff tends to be quite soft too, it helps in attaining a smooth finish. The midsection is one of the trickier areas to do and a convenient placement of the odd purity seal often helps hide bad sculpting. The problem also disappears when your marine is holding a bolter across his chest (ie: Tac Marine style).

The plasticard of the shoulder pad trim comes from the thinest sheet plasticard I could find locally (about 0.3 to 0.5 mm thick). If you were accurate you could always use cartridge/thick paper (seal it with varnish or pva glue before painting. Paper would obviously not snap when bending.

The greenstuff mounting that goes under the shoulder pad goes over a power armour shoulder rather than a terminator shoulder (I do show the shoulders being swapped out in the tutorial). I've always found the Terminator shoulders too big, and using GS as a mount allows you to position the pads in a far more pleasing way.

You'll find removing the hip plates allow you to sculpt the thigh sections far more cleanly. You can always reattach them afterwards, but it makes life far far easier, even if it doesn't at first appear that way.

Have fun!

[Duke]

Ok here is an update... I have since smoothed out the midsection and the legs. I have also taken LAmenters style to the backpack and I have to say I am really happy with it (the pics he is wearing it is the old way). I am going tomorrow to get actual GW Greenstuff... I don't mind soft GS but this stuff cant even roll into a "snake,"

Thanks again Lamenter, your tutorial gives me hope! lol


HEIGHT COMPARISON
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Veahirin/IMG_0225.jpg


HIS GS JOB WAS HORRIBLE! I HAVE SMOOTHED IT OUT NOW
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Veahirin/IMG_0227.jpg

BETTER LIGHTING
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Veahirin/IMG_0229.jpg

THE CONVERTED BACKPACK!!! I HAVE SINCE GS'd THE JOINTS.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Veahirin/IMG_0230.jpg

[BDub]

Thanks for the support, I spent most of the night yesterday building the gut and belt. Ill post pics later today... I just need to find my proper camera cause my phone isn't that great at taking small pics.

Duke

I am happy to see you taking this on. I am interested in your results.

Though I would use the regular base size for the marines and the termie base for the termies, if it were me.

[BDub]

That is an awsome Tutorial! I am currently having trouble with the gut section, and I think the Greenstuff putty I am using is too soft.

Questions:
- what thickness are you using for the trim on the Shoulder pad?

- Why put the Green stuff for the shoulder to mount the armoured pad on? Isn't it a Termie shoulder and a termie pad?

- I was thinking of keeping the hip pads on this one and making the armour "Mk8" But your right that it shouldn't look like a "conversion," when Im done.

I tired to do the plasticard trim, but the plasticard broke when I bent it... Perhaps I was using something too thick. Again, great tutorial! Thanks a million

Duke

Hey, I have always had better luck using 2 or 3 layers of thin card rather than going for the final thickness on anything bent. You can bend (but not glue the first srtip around the pad and glue the second strip to it to keep the curve. Much like making a recurved bow.

[BDub]

I posted a link to my "Actual Scale" tutorial in your other thread, but I'll put it here too.

http://masteroftheforge.com/tutorials/

Man I was looking for this the other day when Duke first mentioned doing it. Great tutorial. Thanks for reposting the link.

[Duke]

Hey, I have always had better luck using 2 or 3 layers of thin card rather than going for the final thickness on anything bent. You can bend (but not glue the first srtip around the pad and glue the second strip to it to keep the curve. Much like making a recurved bow.

Yea I have to go buy some thin plasticard, all I have right now is the real thick stuff... I also want to go get some clay shapers.

[schoon]

I started the trek towards truescale...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/schoon9953/Torso1.jpg

I'll have to find the legs again to take a picture!

[Duke]

Looking good buddy! How did you do tha belt? PLasticard and if so what thickness?

Duke