Forgeworld Warhammer 40,000 Open Day 2014

[Bigred]

This is the master thread for all you attendees with cellphones, tablets, cameras, google glass and whatever else you got to post your reports and pics from the event.

Please try to keep this thread clean until the event.

Good hunting BoLS roving reporters!

Initial Forgeworld Teasers: 7-16-2014

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From the Show 7-20-1014
New Legion Contemptors:
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New Tyranid bug shots via The Tyranid Hive (http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/...e-model?page=3):

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Via Bloodhorror on Dakka



Tyranid Dimachaeron
WS 8
BS 3
S 6
T 6
W 6
I 6
A 5
LD 10
Sv 3+

Its a MC (Leaper)

Weapons & Biomorphs are
Sickle Claws
Grasping Talons
Thorax Spine Maw
Adrenal Glands

Special Rules
IB: Feed
Rampage

Leaper is kind of like a Jump Pack for it except it only 6" all the time, but it can jump over things which is handy.
If you DON'T use it in the Movement phase, you get +1s to your HOW and the HOW gains Strikedown.

Grasping Talons: +1S AP2 Melee with Spine Maw Strike

Spinemaw Strike: If you roll at least one 6 to hit, you get to make a Spine Maw Attack at Intiative step 1

Spine Maw Attack: Makes ONE attack that Auto Hits. May Target any Enemy Model that isn't Extremely Bulky. Only one of these Attacks may be made by this model in each phase.

The One attack it does is at +4S AP1 Instant Death and "Digestion Spine"

Digestion Spine: When a Spine Maw removes a model, the Dimachaeron gains a number of "Plasm Tokens" Equal to the number of wounds on the profile of the model removed. At the end of each of its following Turns, The Controlling player removes one token. Whilst it has a Token remaining, it gets FNP (4+)


Sickle Claws: Strength- User AP2 Melee Sickle Strike

Sickle Strike: On a roll of a 4+ to wound, an attack inflicted by a Sickle Claw has the Instant Death Rule


200 Points
Fast Attack

via 35 Going on 40k (http://35on40k.tumblr.com/post/92427296427/notes-from-the-40k-open-day-seminars) 7-22-2014


+ As my friend said, the GW staff talked like teachers for the most part. When a kid asked about the new IG codex being ‘nerfed’, the conversation ended with “Did you like the new Codex overall?” “Yes.” “Yay!”. That was cheap but it would tie in with marketing towards kids. And by George, where do these kids get there money from?
+ Bugman’s Bar was better than I expected. There was no discount at the GW stores for the day (missed opportunity).
+ Astra Militarum and Imperial Guard are the same thing; it was a change to bring the IG in under a gothic name like other Imperium factions.
+ As a general principle, GW will not have models in a codex that they no longer sell a model for.
+ Forge World and GW studio act independently and catch-up to share ideas/pass on new rules. Forge World are able to act more reactionary and at a quicker pace.
+ People like the new Psychic phase.
+ Phil Kelly would like to see a Sisters vs Eldar supplement; this was a personal idea when asked what he’d like to see if he could do anything.
+ Supplements will become more popular and replace the typical ‘new codex & new units’ cycle (though this will still happen when the time’s right). The supplements enable GW to add brand new units at a faster pace to armies without complete Codex rewrites or waiting for the conveyor belt to come round. There was a strong hint at something Sisters related in the future in this regards.
+ Someone asked if there would be a compendium of supplements/formations/datasheets eventually. They said they hadn’t considered it but it was a cool idea should the opportunity arise.
+ People and GW like Unbound. Comments of ‘reminds me of 2nd’ were not uncommon.
+ When asked if Unbound was permitted at tournaments, GW said that’s up to each tournament organiser to decide.
+ When asked about the idea of a system that lets you build your own HQ character, GW said they leave this up to the the player to create and discuss with friends. Internally, they’ve created personal characters. It was a cop out answer as it was a great suggestion.
+ 41k won’t happen.
+ Concept artists/sculptors come up with the models, the studio then write the rules to match.
+ The studio has been playing Kill Team recently.
+ They like Lords of War - big robots fighting big monsters.
+ They admit they’ve yet to crack how to do social media well; they are looking into it.
+ They talked about an idea Jervis has had of a gameplay supplement. This could cover concepts such as roleplay narratives, campaigns, leagues, tournaments, etc.
+ The studio said that from experience, people talk to them at events etc about the new models, story and painting. Rules is something they rarely ever get asked in person. They openly said - perhaps unintentionally - that at the Open Day no one was asking about rules, only models. And to them this made it seem like models come first, rules second. Though, of course, rules should still be good.
+ No specialist games. Focusing on core ranges.
+ They tried killing off main army characters and felt it didn’t work. They won’t be doing it again.
+ One of guys - whose name escapes me - really likes Tau and the Riptide. I think he wrote the rules. Phil Kelly later made a interesting side note by mentioning that the Riptide was a stepping stone in big robots when talking about the Titans. As technology progresses they hope to continue exploring giant robots and monsters; they love the concept of them stomping through cities.
+ They have a playtest team of about a dozen (a mix of tournament/casual players). This doesn’t include the core GW team playing too. Not all the playtest team may be testing the same thing at the same time.
+ GW strongly encourages people to approach them face-to-face at these events and ask them questions. Next time I’m going to take all the rule questions I have.
+ If people enjoyed the Open Day format they’d like to do it again.
+ When asked about the possibility of a new race they said yes.
+ A guy asked if Dark Eldar would ever get better armour than cardboard. The answer was no, it was part of what made them unique. Like having no tanks. Plus Orks only have t-shirts for armour.

[Bigred]

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[Bigred]

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[Houghten]

Interesting that the common word to the FW Knight chassis is "Cerastus" and not "Lancer."

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Interesting that the common word to the FW Knight chassis is "Cerastus" and not "Lancer."My guess is that it intends to leave room for potential future plastic Knights - so a Cerastus Lancer and a normal Lancer could coexist. As in, if the plastic Knight was a Space Marine in power armor, the Cerastus would be a Terminator.

[Chris*ta]

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This somehow reminds me of the first plastic Tyranids ...

[MarneusCalgar]

Hope they show any new goodie for previews... maybe the next Primarch or so

[MajorWesJanson]

Interesting that the common word to the FW Knight chassis is "Cerastus" and not "Lancer."

That's because Lancer is the class of Knight, while Cerastus is the Pattern. Like Mars or Lucius Pattern titans, or Mars, Ryza, and Phaeton pattern Russes, Knights seem to have Cerastus and Questoris patterns.

[HsojVvad]

Wow, is 40K dead or what? Well maybe not dead but not as popular anymore. A few years ago, these threads would be in the 20-50 pages with people talking about what the people posted pics of. Now, nobody can even bother to post pics. Is it because not many people are going and they can't be bothered to go and take pics anymore, or that there is nothing actually interesting to take pics of?

What a shame. Always looked forward to reading the posts here on BoLS but sadly they are no more.

[Mr Mystery]

Wow, is 40K dead or what? Well maybe not dead but not as popular anymore. A few years ago, these threads would be in the 20-50 pages with people talking about what the people posted pics of. Now, nobody can even bother to post pics. Is it because not many people are going and they can't be bothered to go and take pics anymore, or that there is nothing actually interesting to take pics of?

What a shame. Always looked forward to reading the posts here on BoLS but sadly they are no more.

Yes.

Everyone knows really popular games are in fact played by Time Travellers. Seeing as the event is on tomorrow.

[DrLove42]

Time travelling helps you play 40K. You can cheat the lottery and buy all the lovelyness.

Also im not sure how much sneak peak new stuff we will actually see.

[skeletoro]

The insanely optimistic part of me is totally hoping we'll see a new bran redmaw model ;) hehe

[Deadlift]

The insanely optimistic part of me is totally hoping we'll see a new bran redmaw model ;) hehe

This post needs a like button.

[MarneusCalgar]

Hope so, Skeletoro!

I miss him, when they showed that WiP... all our hearts broke when we knew it didn´t like GW and that was not going to be produced...

[HsojVvad]

Yes.

Everyone knows really popular games are in fact played by Time Travellers. Seeing as the event is on tomorrow.

Thought it was today, Saturday. Thanks for letting me know. Egg on my face. :P

Still I bet the thread won't be as busy as it use to be before.

[Tomgar]

I tried time-travelling once. Tzeentch took issue with it and now I have tentacles on my face.

Don't joke about time-travel, dude. It's no laughing matter.

[Arkhan Land]

Mayor Goldie Wilson... I like the sound of that!

[Mr Mystery]

I tried time-travelling once. Tzeentch took issue with it and now I have tentacles on my face.

Don't joke about time-travel, dude. It's no laughing matter.

Hush now, Zoidberg :p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Tzeentch is here, what's going on?

[Tomgar]

Hush now, Zoidberg :p

WOOP, WOOP, WOOP!

*scuttles away*

[theresponsibleone]

Could not afford to make event this year. Very sad.

A friend is going, however, and they just sent me this...

"The new Games Day is called Warhammerfest, will be held at the Ricoh Arena in Coventry over the Saturday & Sunday of the 11th/12th October, the Golden Demon bit will be on the Sunday, tickets will be £20/day"

[Mr Mystery]

Sounds interesting! Wonder what will be involved?

[eldargal]

Oh I was wondering about that, 'Games Day' isn't very distinctive really, with the recent push to rebrand everything GW in more distinctive terms I wondered in Games Day would be renamed or if it would jsut be dropped.

[Mr Mystery]

Pinched off a Facebook feed (who apparently pinched them off an unnamed site....). Because I'm not at the event. I'm at home. In my pants. Oh yes.

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Absolutely love the Ravenguard one!

[eldargal]

Read that as 'Castratus knight' and got really excited.

Also if someone is there and reads this, please please ask what the hell is happening with the Dark Eldar IA.

[Brother Garrod]

I think I may have just had a joygasm at that Night Lords contemptor

[DrLove42]

Is this all were going to get? A few new Contemptors? Nothing else on show

[dwez]

Just to reiterate, Warhammerfest on 11th and 12th October, which means Armies on Parade will not be part of 'Warhammerfest'. Last year each regional winner won a ticket to Games Day to compete for the overall National winner. This year Parade day is on 25th October, after Warhammerfest and therefore will not be contested as part of the event. guess I should have made the effort to go last year.

Funny though that they've gone for a two day event after downsizing the event last year. Clearly there must have been a good deal from Coventry to make it profitable.

[Mr Mystery]

Think I'll give that event a bash.


Always nice to be in at the start :)

[Bigred]

New Tyranid bug shots via Metro Gnome (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?397629-So-three-Contemptors-walk-into-a-bar&p=7221781&viewfull=1#post7221781):

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[Nurglesprince]

Someone just posted on my FB feed that in one of the seminars it was mentioned that the Squats were coming back! SQUATS!!!!!!!

[Skullchewer]

Someone just posted on my FB feed that in one of the seminars it was mentioned that the Squats were coming back! SQUATS!!!!!!!

Someone reliable, or someone who would be likely to want to start a false rumour for a joke?

[Nurglesprince]

there are two dudes arguing about what was said now, who were both at the same seminar. so....

[Bigred]

Via Bloodhorror on Dakka



Tyranid Dimachaeron
WS 8
BS 3
S 6
T 6
W 6
I 6
A 5
LD 10
Sv 3+

Its a MC (Leaper)

Weapons & Biomorphs are
Sickle Claws
Grasping Talons
Thorax Spine Maw
Adrenal Glands

Special Rules
IB: Feed
Rampage

Leaper is kind of like a Jump Pack for it except it only 6" all the time, but it can jump over things which is handy.
If you DON'T use it in the Movement phase, you get +1s to your HOW and the HOW gains Strikedown.

Grasping Talons: +1S AP2 Melee with Spine Maw Strike

Spinemaw Strike: If you roll at least one 6 to hit, you get to make a Spine Maw Attack at Intiative step 1

Spine Maw Attack: Makes ONE attack that Auto Hits. May Target any Enemy Model that isn't Extremely Bulky. Only one of these Attacks may be made by this model in each phase.

The One attack it does is at +4S AP1 Instant Death and "Digestion Spine"

Digestion Spine: When a Spine Maw removes a model, the Dimachaeron gains a number of "Plasm Tokens" Equal to the number of wounds on the profile of the model removed. At the end of each of its following Turns, The Controlling player removes one token. Whilst it has a Token remaining, it gets FNP (4+)


Sickle Claws: Strength- User AP2 Melee Sickle Strike

Sickle Strike: On a roll of a 4+ to wound, an attack inflicted by a Sickle Claw has the Instant Death Rule


200 Points
Fast Attack

[Forge Master]

So a couple of contemptors, a primarch, a knight and a nid. Is it just me or is this a bit lacking in substance. Most of the models we've already seen bar the contemptors. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.

[dwez]

Dimachaeron - more rules than it can shake a sickle claw at! Honestly everything seems to go on and on -

Dimachaeron, Dimachaeron, Dimachaeron Di-ma-chaer-on.
Dimachaeron, Dimachaeron, Dimachaeron Di-ma-chaer-on.
Dimachaeron, Dimachaeron, Dimachaeron Di-ma-chaer-on.
Dimachaeron!

The Grasping talons are connected to the Spine Maw Strike,
The Spine Maw Strike is connected to the Spine Maw Attack ,
The Spine Maw Attack is connected to the Digestion Spi,ne
The Digestion Spine is connected to the Plasm Token
Dimachaeron!

It helps when you get the tune going: http://youtu.be/cLi55MV04a8

[Mauler]

Someone reliable, or someone who would be likely to want to start a false rumour for a joke?

It's false...mostly.

The first seminar was about 40k, why they're not progressing the timeline beyond where it is now and how instead GW have 10,000 years (Heresy to M41) to pick events out of to use as a basis for supplements and the like. Someone laughed and stated that if they were working backwards they there is a chance that they could revisit Squats from their time in 30k up to their demise at the claws of the Tyranids. Jes, Phil & Matt all had a good laugh, said that they could and then carried on to talk about more feasible stuff.

So no, there's no indication that Squats are on the return.

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Oh and those are my two photos of the Dimachaeron from a thread in the Tyranid Hive forum.

You're welcome, Mr Gnome :P

[Stucarius]

Wow, is 40K dead or what? Well maybe not dead but not as popular anymore. A few years ago, these threads would be in the 20-50 pages with people talking about what the people posted pics of. Now, nobody can even bother to post pics. Is it because not many people are going and they can't be bothered to go and take pics anymore, or that there is nothing actually interesting to take pics of?

What a shame. Always looked forward to reading the posts here on BoLS but sadly they are no more.

I know what you mean. This has been going on for some time now but in my close to 40 years int eh hobby and almost 28 in 40K I have never seen a main line game system fall as fast and as far as 40K that was not attributable to the company going bankrupt or something.

I think this is the first time I have seen a major games fans literally driven away by the companies policies and failure to support and bring their game up to date with their competitors.

It is intensely sad as I look at some where around 20grand in 40K stuff sitting on shelves and having no interest in playing it unless someone releases a better game system to use with the models. A year and a half ago the 12 stores in our area would have all had at least one game of 40K on the their tables on any given Saturday. Now the only place you know you will see a game played is the Games Workshop store itself. In fact I have not seen a game of 40K played except there and one store with a small group still playing since last fall.

And that is in an area with a formerly HUGE 40K community. No one thing to attribute it to that I can think of. Just lots and lots of little things. Although when you look at GW's financials over the last decade their unit sells are less than half what they were in the early 2000's. That has been the case for a long time. The internet has given false impression of 40K community activity. There were so many more players int eh early 2000's than even played during 5th Ed.

[Kirsten]

that is just speculation though, there are more 40k players in my area than there were ten years ago. local experience does not equate to international figures.

[Tomgar]

Is it just me or do Forgeworld seem allergic to the Dark Angels? No contemptor, no unique vehicles or units (AFAIK) and no rules or even whispers of a model for our Primarch (again, AFAIK). It makes me sad :(

[Brother Garrod]

The very same can be said for blood angels, space wolves, thousand sons and ultramarines. They will get around to them eventually

[Rob-O]

looky at that..
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10040

[completeHook]

Squats, I was in the seminar and IT WAS DEFIANTLY A JOKE

However

Plastic Sisters, they said (paraphrasing here, bear in mind I've spent nearly 8 hours driving today and got up at stupid o'clock);

With the old release schedule updating Sisters was too bigger job because they had to make a whole army that worked, however as they have a more free rolling release cycle it allows them the freedom to put out odd bits here and there.

It was heavily implied that this is something that is happening.

They also said as all the main factions have up to date core ranges now that opens the door to smaller, more specialist releases.

Anyway, pictures...

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[Darren Richardson]

Is it just me or do Forgeworld seem allergic to the Dark Angels? No contemptor, no unique vehicles or units (AFAIK) and no rules or even whispers of a model for our Primarch (again, AFAIK). It makes me sad :(

Didn't the Dark Angels pretty much keep out the picture until almost the very end of the Heresy though?

If so then expect a long wait for anything since there are other chapters who got involved earlier then them, I expect DA's and White Scars to pretty much end up in the last book they publish.

[Proiteus]

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10041&d=1405882808

..... dat dere.... diz a beautee! ME WAT!!! :D

[completeHook]

More pics

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[Pssyche]

I know what you mean. This has been going on for some time now but in my close to 40 years int eh hobby and almost 28 in 40K I have never seen a main line game system fall as fast and as far as 40K that was not attributable to the company going bankrupt or something.

I think this is the first time I have seen a major games fans literally driven away by the companies policies and failure to support and bring their game up to date with their competitors.

It is intensely sad as I look at some where around 20grand in 40K stuff sitting on shelves and having no interest in playing it unless someone releases a better game system to use with the models. A year and a half ago the 12 stores in our area would have all had at least one game of 40K on the their tables on any given Saturday. Now the only place you know you will see a game played is the Games Workshop store itself. In fact I have not seen a game of 40K played except there and one store with a small group still playing since last fall.

And that is in an area with a formerly HUGE 40K community. No one thing to attribute it to that I can think of. Just lots and lots of little things. Although when you look at GW's financials over the last decade their unit sells are less than half what they were in the early 2000's. That has been the case for a long time. The internet has given false impression of 40K community activity. There were so many more players int eh early 2000's than even played during 5th Ed.



Yet more anti Games Workshop vitriol spewing from the keyboard of Stucarius.

You've made a grand total of six posts on Bols.
One was a reply to a Poll about Primarchs and five have been anti GW trolling.
Three of your "contributions" were to the same thread, in which you threw around some spurious statistics.
Wolfshade challenged you to cite your references.
Two years on and I, for one, am still waiting for them.

[Tomgar]

I do have to wonder why someone who supposedly dislikes GW's game systems enough not to the play them is then commenting on threads about GW game systems.

[AnEnemy]

I think his purported $20k spent affords him the right to speak his mind.

Just like you have the right to ignore it.

[Deadlift]

Yet more anti Games Workshop vitriol spewing from the keyboard of Stucarius.

You've made a grand total of six posts on Bols.
One was a reply to a Poll about Primarchs and five have been anti GW trolling.
Three of your "contributions" were to the same thread, in which you threw around some spurious statistics.
Wolfshade challenged you to cite your references.
Two years on and I, for one, am still waiting for them.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal...or as we suspect, made up rubbish.

[daboarder]

Best thing to come out of FW today?

Malanthrope rules changes.

While I would have preffered a Nid style apothecary (granting FNP, or having Catalyst as a base psychic power, similar to zoans) I can totally dig them being more survivable venomthropes that still can buff units in synapse.

[daboarder]

Is it just me or do Forgeworld seem allergic to the Dark Angels? No contemptor, no unique vehicles or units (AFAIK) and no rules or even whispers of a model for our Primarch (again, AFAIK). It makes me sad :(

Both angels really, Blood angels have been getting the short end of the stick form them for about a decade now too.
I waited YEARS for FW to eventually do a BA venerable Mk4 dread....sigh,

[Mr Mystery]

I think his purported $20k spent affords him the right to speak his mind.

Just like you have the right to ignore it.

Well, not really.

I mean, I'm not in the least bit interested in playing Warmahordes. Just don't dig the game, setting or models. So having tried it many moons ago, you know what I did?

I sold off my collection. Rather than have it sat on a shelf gathering dust, and reminding me of my folly.

[edsoulman]

Both angels really, Blood angels have been getting the short end of the stick form them for about a decade now too.
I waited YEARS for FW to eventually do a BA venerable Mk4 dread....sigh,

The Angels of Death will have their time, the Heresy has still got plenty of legions who haven't had anything yet. Dark Angels were my first army and I've good hopes for 30K DA stuff.

[Tomgar]

It'll probably be a longer wait for Sanguinius than the Lion in all honesty! Here's hoping the Angels of Death get some love while I'm still young!

[daboarder]

It'll probably be a longer wait for Sanguinius than the Lion in all honesty! Here's hoping the Angels of Death get some love while I'm still young!

I wish I could like this

[AnEnemy]

That's great. So because you sold your war machine models he's not allowed to occasionally rant to strangers on the internet when the mood strikes him? Interesting.

Maybe Big Red should sticky your post.

You know what aggravates me more than one dude *****ing on the internet? Five guys *****ing about one dude *****ing on the internet.

[Tomgar]

Oh, well if we're aggravating you, we'll all just keep schtum, shall we? :rolleyes:

[AnEnemy]

I want you to consider the irony of your post very seriously.

[GAZ-NZ]

The Angels of Death will have their time, the Heresy has still got plenty of legions who haven't had anything yet. Dark Angels were my first army and I've good hopes for 30K DA stuff.


I had a full pre heresy DA army i sold due to lack of support and rules for the HH.
I know a number of HH players to whom are using current HH armies listed. Of the 10 players i know only half have there rules / models for there specific legions.
Those that dont have there army/primarchs rules feel handicaped / frustrated by all this.
Im now playing Blood Angels and yep feeling
totally let down by FW. I remade a new legion hoping they would release there rules but nothing.
My interest is fast declining and with more people leaving the game in New Zealand I seriously wonder if ill have anyone to play when the rules come out.

[daboarder]

its alright, theres only what...3?...4?books before we get to prospero.

[Tomgar]

I want you to consider the irony of your post very seriously.

You're *****ing about my *****ing about your *****ing about several of us *****ing about someone *****ing. This is so meta right now.

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I had a full pre heresy DA army i sold due to lack of support and rules for the HH.
I know a number of HH players to whom are using current HH armies listed. Of the 10 players i know only half have there rules / models for there specific legions.
Those that dont have there army/primarchs rules feel handicaped / frustrated by all this.
Im now playing Blood Angels and yep feeling
totally let down by FW. I remade a new legion hoping they would release there rules but nothing.
My interest is fast declining and with more people leaving the game in New Zealand I seriously wonder if ill have anyone to play when the rules come out.

It just makes me grateful for GW's speedier release schedule. I've long given up on the idea of Forgeworld producing anything unique for my armies (especially Dark Eldar and Wood Elves).

[AnEnemy]

While I admit I've done more than my fair share of complaining about how Prospero has been treated by FW I don't have anything against the vanilla legion list. Its fun and provides a lot of choice allowing me a varied playstyle whenever I get bored of a list.

What bothers me is FW double and triple dipping on Legions while others have jack ****. I know that's the nature of Isstvan, but they didn't HAVE to draw it out over three books and they didn't HAVE to ignore every other Legion just because they weren't there. Oh well. See you in two years FW.

[Krefey]

FW are focussing on the legions that have featured in the HH books they've released. What is the point in releasing minis without rules to support them? But I suppose they could release a few mod kits like shoulder pads etc for the other legions rather than specific units like the new Gorgon terminators. But they have the interestin the current legions with teh current books.

[HsojVvad]

What is prospero?

[Sevatar]

I had a full pre heresy DA army i sold due to lack of support and rules for the HH.
I know a number of HH players to whom are using current HH armies listed. Of the 10 players i know only half have there rules / models for there specific legions.
Those that dont have there army/primarchs rules feel handicaped / frustrated by all this.
Im now playing Blood Angels and yep feeling
totally let down by FW. I remade a new legion hoping they would release there rules but nothing.
My interest is fast declining and with more people leaving the game in New Zealand I seriously wonder if ill have anyone to play when the rules come out.

Are you serious? FW's release pace has been incredibly quick so far. If you and your friends are going to leave heresy gaming because FW didn't do you first (even though blood angels, ultras, dark angels, space wolves, and 1k sons are all coming within the next three books) and took a little bit of time to make a quality product then we don't want you. Good riddance.

This is also not to mention that FW now has provided the option to give your legion a legion trait if they haven't been covered yet.

[daboarder]

What is prospero?

That was a joke right?

[Krefey]

What is prospero?


That was a joke right?

Just in case it isn't, Prospero is thee homeworld for the Thousand Sons.

[Darren Richardson]

Just in case it isn't, Prospero is thee homeworld for the Thousand Sons.

or we should say whats left of it :p

[energongoodie]

So I am back from Nottingham and a weekend at Warhammer World.
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The four of us traveled up from London Friday evening. Traffic was bobbins but we got there fine and spent the night playing 'Chaos Marauders'. A GW card game from 1987. It was ACE!

Saturday started with a terrible breakfast at a Toby Carvery.....I know.
We got to Warhammer World fine and promptly found the two tables we had booked.

I had been to WHW before, but this was the first time I had played there. Ultimately, you are just playing on a 6x4 table just like anywhere else but it just felt different, in a good way :)

Nearly every table was in use and the atmosphere was great. There were lots of great armies on display and everyone was having a great time. As you walked into the space the first board you see was being used by what looked like the White Dwarf team. they were battling on a massive city fight board. It was a heap of Tau and Titans. It looked great to see armies I have seen in WD right there with dice being rolled next to them.

My 2000 points of Iron Hands allied with Farsight got stuck in to a Horde of blood Angels. We went at it using the tactical objective cards, which I am starting to love, and we were having a great time.

Then a fella turned up with a tray of models and plonked them down at the table next to us. We said hi and then noticed the models....they looked amazing. Not just good but great. There were flyers and a bunch of Sons of Horus models. They looked like the ones out of the cabinet from the hall of miniatures they were that good. Then the fella introduced himself and he turned out to be Mat Murphy Kane the Forge world painter and the models were the ones out of the cabinet! They looked amazing up close.
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The chap he was playing was running late so we took a break from the game to chat to him about his models. He was a really nice guy and was very generous with his advice on painting. We were asking questions about his army and what he had been painting but he wouldn't give us any hints at what's coming out next :) I did try though. I said I was Iron hands player and had seen the new Gorgon colour scheme and was wondering how it was done. He then got his phone out and showed me the pictures of the step by step process he had gone through to paint up the iron hands legionaries! It was awesome! He was telling what to do, what mixes, colours ,washes and glazes to use. It was an awesome one on one lesson and I have already ordered all the bits and bobs he suggested.
He came over and looked at the charcoal of my Iron Hands which was incredibly embarrissing but he was a gentlemen and just said " Yep, charcoal." I'm normally pleased if someone want's to look at my models but not an awesome painter like that. He also commented on my buddies weathered Landraider which made him very happy.
His buddy turned up, who had an incredibly painted mechanicum army, so we all got down to playing. My allied force won the game and we stopped for lunch, a trip to the shop and to the hall of miniatures.
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In the afternoon I started a battle against a Dark Angels Deathwing force. After a couple of turns I was being swamped by terminators! Luckily Mat Murphy Kane came in to save me. He had gone to the hall of miniatures to get the models out of the cabinet that he was going to be displaying the next day at the open day.
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There was the official Ferrus and fulgrim models and he said that Ferrus was his favourite model he had painted. They looked amazing and we got to pick them up and get a really good look at them. Again, he told us how he had painted everything. It was really cool. We were looking at the models and chatting for so long that WHW closed and we were left in there still chatting and taking photos of the models. It was great and I felt like we had had rockstar access :D
Mat was such a nice guy. He gave us so many great tips and it was a real privilege to get up close and personal with The Forge World models that are used for the books and website.

Saturday night started with dinner at Hooters followed by more rounds of 'Chaos Marauders' back at the hotel.

Sunday morning we were there bright and early for the 40k Open Day.
We all queued up, got our lanyards and went in. We booked our places at the seminars, bought loads of FW stuff and a wodge of books and then went to the first seminar.

It was a panel with Jervis Johnson, Phil Kelly and Matt Holland.
They started by saying they would not tell us anything about what is coming out next. I didn't expect anything different. The first question from the first audience member was about squats.... surprisingly the panel weren't impressed with the guys creativity.
The second seminar was also with Phil Kelly and then Robin Cruddace and Jes Bickham. That was supposed to be about their latest releases.
Both seminars blurred in to one to be honest. I can't say I learned anything from them to be honest. The main mantra through out the seminars was the switch to smaller army releases more often through supplements and white dwarf. they said it gave them more 'agility' to work on what they wanted and that it was now more likely they could get to things people really wanted like 'Speed Freaks'. They used that example on more than one occasion. I don't know if that was significant or not. When someone asked about Sisters or Deathwatch etc they would respond with ' It is now more likely that we can get round to these things with our new approach '.

They asked the audience a few questions but nothing major came out of the morning seminars in my opinion. I enjoyed a lady telling Jes Goodwin the sisters models were too old and needed updating too which he replied that ' I think they are still pretty good and I'm very proud of them. ' the lady was a bit 'um er' I guess she didn't know who he was. Noobs.

I had an 'Iron Drake' burger and then we went into the 'studio' area were members of the GW team were available for a chat.

The White Dwarf guys, Jes Bickham and Dan Harden, said that the plan is to regularly have rules in the issues and also some more mini games like the knight card game and the treeman game thingy.

One of the army painting chaps, Chris Peach, gave us a great tutorial on how he painted the 'marble' effect on one of his knights.

Two of the artists, Kevin Chin and Paul Dainton, had their portfolios there and that was so nice to see the originals of some of the future classic pictures from the 40k universe up close and personal, brush strokes and all. They were really nice chaps.

Mat Murphy Kane talked us through using the FW weathering powders which was great.

The Model designers I spoke to were great. Trish Carden may or may not have given me some info about upcoming releases. Maxime Pastourel had two of his personal armies there. He had an INCREDIBLE ork army with some BRILLIANT conversions! He also had a striking eldar army with some great converted bikes.

Jes Goodwin was up for a chat as always. He was telling us about how excited he was about their new approach to releases meant that they could get round to lots of more interesting things rather than getting ready for just one big release. I asked him about the lack of new Eldar jetbikes. He said he was told he had to make a choice between the bikes and the wraithguard. Personally, I think he made the wrong choice ;)

We were the last to leave WHW and we had a great time :D

NEWS

The only new models on display were the big tyranid model and the new contemptor dreads. The night Lords one looked so, so good. The Raven guard one displays the 'tribal' markings that are going to be the hallmark of the Legion.

The updated Imperial Armour 4 was there. I only had a brief look through at the D99 elysian stuff. It looks like the warlord traits of the inquisitor in the book affect what gene therapies the units have undergone, giving them positive and negatives over regular elysians. They have a different army list with named squads like executioner squad, instead of special weapons squads. Their stat lines are slightly better than a basic guardsman.

I tried really hard to get some info but the only piece of knowledge I got is that Konrad Kurze is most likely to be the next Primarch release and he is designed to be slotted in to Vulkan's base in the same way as fulgrim and ferrus.

I had a great time at WHW and I'm looking forward to going back for another event.

[HsojVvad]

Just in case it isn't, Prospero is thee homeworld for the Thousand Sons.

Thank you very much. I wasn't joking. Why would it be a joke? Is everyone suppose to know everything 40K?

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New Tyranid bug shots via Metro Gnome (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?397629-So-three-Contemptors-walk-into-a-bar&p=7221781&viewfull=1#post7221781):

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Calling out Bigred. I am shamed of you. You use to show character. Now you just seem to throw anything out. This was on the Tyranid forums first and you give credit to someone else? Also the person who took the pictures said it was him. Ok, I understand you can't read everything (but seems you do the way you just post a lot of stuff).

Hopefully this is a case of you didn't read his post yet and give credit where credit is due.

[energongoodie]

Thank you very much. I wasn't joking. Why would it be a joke? Is everyone suppose to know everything 40K?




Yes

[HsojVvad]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jhhq1u17h1y8y7h/VID_20140720_131433.mp4

Here is a video from Mauler as well. Please give the proper credit this time.

[Bigred]

My apologies HsojVvad. In the middle of writing up breaking news it can be difficult to track down an original source of a particular image., so we go as far as we can before the trail gets fuzzy.

Can you please give me a source (username or website) and a URL to the origin of that image and we will correct the post right away.

-Larry

[Lucidum]

Best thing to come out of FW today?

Malanthrope rules changes.

While I would have preffered a Nid style apothecary (granting FNP, or having Catalyst as a base psychic power, similar to zoans) I can totally dig them being more survivable venomthropes that still can buff units in synapse.

Wait what? Where’d these come from? Do we have a PDF for the rules? Or were they just previewed at Open Day? (Man….I really wish I could make it to these events. Sadly i’m in the US and just wealthy enough to afford 40k models, but not much past that at the moment).

[DrLove42]

Wait what? Where’d these come from? Do we have a PDF for the rules? Or were they just previewed at Open Day? (Man….I really wish I could make it to these events. Sadly i’m in the US and just wealthy enough to afford 40k models, but not much past that at the moment).

It'd been in previews of the new IA, which went up for order today

[DWest]

Thank you very much. I wasn't joking. Why would it be a joke? Is everyone suppose to know everything 40K?
"Prospero" is also the informal title of one of the upcoming Horus Heresy campaign books, similar to how we currently have "Betrayal", "Massacre", etc. Way back when this first started, the Prospero book was tentatively slotted in as Book 3 (I think?), and since then it keeps sliding further down the release list with each event. Given the nature of several of the posters here, it's entirely possible your "what's that?" comment was taken as a sarcastic jab in that direction.

[daboarder]

Wait what? Where’d these come from? Do we have a PDF for the rules? Or were they just previewed at Open Day? (Man….I really wish I could make it to these events. Sadly i’m in the US and just wealthy enough to afford 40k models, but not much past that at the moment).

Mauler over at the tyranid hive bought the book on early release, champs been letting us know what changed (dima, stone crusher, Malanthrope) Honestly though, the release is a bit lackluster, the Malanthrope change is good, but the Dima is just another slow fragile MC and the Stonecrusher lost its 2+ sv

EDIT:
Bigred, your source is Mauler on the Tyranid Hive

[HsojVvad]

Big Red, right here. :) That is what I thought, you were busy. I find you one of the most stand up guys. Sorry if I came along a bit too strong. Sorry.

Also on The Tyranid Hive. http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47171/dimachaeron-apocalypse-model?page=3
It's false...mostly.

The first seminar was about 40k, why they're not progressing the timeline beyond where it is now and how instead GW have 10,000 years (Heresy to M41) to pick events out of to use as a basis for supplements and the like. Someone laughed and stated that if they were working backwards they there is a chance that they could revisit Squats from their time in 30k up to their demise at the claws of the Tyranids. Jes, Phil & Matt all had a good laugh, said that they could and then carried on to talk about more feasible stuff.

So no, there's no indication that Squats are on the return.

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Oh and those are my two photos of the Dimachaeron from a thread in the Tyranid Hive forum.

You're welcome, Mr Gnome :P

Found this on Natfka. Thought it was really interesting. Sorry if it was posted here, didn't see it. http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2014/07/open-day-40k-seminars.html


40k Open Day happened this last weekend, and I was underwater (literally on the Deschutes River white water rafting), several people were able to get to the event and its seminars. The Seminars really where a lot of the information comes from and we had some great bits of information come from readers here on Faeit 212. It obviously was time to share these.


via the Faeit 212 inbox
Lo mate, just got back from the 50k Open Day which was cool, the first seminar was covering 40k and why GW aren’t advancing the timeline. The state of 40k is being kept at the “Two minutes to midnight” point and the design studio are focussing on events from 30k up to M41 with plenty of stuff to pull from those 10,000 years. Just as a heads-up: a chap laughed and said that if the team are pulling events from the Heresy onward then they can bring back Squats from that time up until they get eaten – Jes, Phil & Matt had a good laugh and then went on to discuss more likely stuff. So before anyone asks; no there are still no plans to bring squats back.

But anyway, see the attached pic: all the Necrons are missing from their case…
M.


via Shane from 35 Going on 40k Blog
What stuck with me from the seminars
http://35on40k.tumblr.com/post/92427296427/notes-from-the-40k-open-day-seminars

+ As my friend said, the GW staff talked like teachers for the most part. When a kid asked about the new IG codex being ‘nerfed’, the conversation ended with “Did you like the new Codex overall?” “Yes.” “Yay!”. That was cheap but it would tie in with marketing towards kids. And by George, where do these kids get there money from?
+ Bugman’s Bar was better than I expected. There was no discount at the GW stores for the day (missed opportunity).
+ Astra Militarum and Imperial Guard are the same thing; it was a change to bring the IG in under a gothic name like other Imperium factions.
+ As a general principle, GW will not have models in a codex that they no longer sell a model for.
+ Forge World and GW studio act independently and catch-up to share ideas/pass on new rules. Forge World are able to act more reactionary and at a quicker pace.
+ People like the new Psychic phase.
+ Phil Kelly would like to see a Sisters vs Eldar supplement; this was a personal idea when asked what he’d like to see if he could do anything.
+ Supplements will become more popular and replace the typical ‘new codex & new units’ cycle (though this will still happen when the time’s right). The supplements enable GW to add brand new units at a faster pace to armies without complete Codex rewrites or waiting for the conveyor belt to come round. There was a strong hint at something Sisters related in the future in this regards.
+ Someone asked if there would be a compendium of supplements/formations/datasheets eventually. They said they hadn’t considered it but it was a cool idea should the opportunity arise.
+ People and GW like Unbound. Comments of ‘reminds me of 2nd’ were not uncommon.
+ When asked if Unbound was permitted at tournaments, GW said that’s up to each tournament organiser to decide.
+ When asked about the idea of a system that lets you build your own HQ character, GW said they leave this up to the the player to create and discuss with friends. Internally, they’ve created personal characters. It was a cop out answer as it was a great suggestion.
+ 41k won’t happen.
+ Concept artists/sculptors come up with the models, the studio then write the rules to match.
+ The studio has been playing Kill Team recently.
+ They like Lords of War - big robots fighting big monsters.
+ They admit they’ve yet to crack how to do social media well; they are looking into it.
+ They talked about an idea Jervis has had of a gameplay supplement. This could cover concepts such as roleplay narratives, campaigns, leagues, tournaments, etc.
+ The studio said that from experience, people talk to them at events etc about the new models, story and painting. Rules is something they rarely ever get asked in person. They openly said - perhaps unintentionally - that at the Open Day no one was asking about rules, only models. And to them this made it seem like models come first, rules second. Though, of course, rules should still be good.
+ No specialist games. Focusing on core ranges.
+ They tried killing off main army characters and felt it didn’t work. They won’t be doing it again.
+ One of guys - whose name escapes me - really likes Tau and the Riptide. I think he wrote the rules. Phil Kelly later made a interesting side note by mentioning that the Riptide was a stepping stone in big robots when talking about the Titans. As technology progresses they hope to continue exploring giant robots and monsters; they love the concept of them stomping through cities.
+ They have a playtest team of about a dozen (a mix of tournament/casual players). This doesn’t include the core GW team playing too. Not all the playtest team may be testing the same thing at the same time.
+ GW strongly encourages people to approach them face-to-face at these events and ask them questions. Next time I’m going to take all the rule questions I have.
+ If people enjoyed the Open Day format they’d like to do it again.
+ When asked about the possibility of a new race they said yes.
+ A guy asked if Dark Eldar would ever get better armour than cardboard. The answer was no, it was part of what made them unique. Like having no tanks. Plus Orks only have t-shirts for armour.

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Wait what? Where’d these come from? Do we have a PDF for the rules? Or were they just previewed at Open Day? (Man….I really wish I could make it to these events. Sadly i’m in the US and just wealthy enough to afford 40k models, but not much past that at the moment).

On The Tyranid Hive forum. I gave a link before. I believe just follow the same link from above. Somewhere in there. Sorry I don't know how to make a direct link to the post.

[Bigred]

HsojVvad,

Thank you for the image information. We have updated the posts both here and on the frontage with the correct attribution to The Tyranid Hive. And thanks you for caring enough to bring it to our attention. The details do matter.

-Larry

[eldargal]

I would kill for a SoB vs Eldar book.

Seriously GW name the person and they will die...

[daboarder]

I would kill for a SoB vs Eldar book.

Seriously GW name the person and they will die...

Tom Kirby

[eldargal]

You're not GW, they get to name the person.:p

[Crevab]

The set would be an Eldar force with limited edition plastic Adepta Soroitas casualty

[daboarder]

You're not GW, they get to name the person.:p

pssh Details.

Consider it a hostile takeover

[Lucidum]

pssh Details.

Consider it a hostile takeover

lol GW needs one of those right about now XD kick that Kirby ******* out of office and get rid of the board of directors.

[40kGamer]

I would kill for a SoB vs Eldar book.

Seriously GW name the person and they will die...

I just bought a share of stock, so.... Kirby! :D

[Path Walker]

Tom Kirby is amazing, he wrote the 'Black Book', a printed leather bound book of his "management wisdom" that is entrusted only to the most robotic and up creative of GW managers.

Includes such gems as claiming employees don't have rights but responsibilities to the company and that therefore, in his eyes, the company can do anything they like to the employee.

At the end it states if you read and don't agree, to read it again and if you still don't agree with his twisted, sociopathic views, then you're not smart enough to understand it.

The man is deranged.

[Mr Mystery]

Tom Kirby is amazing, he wrote the 'Black Book', a printed leather bound book of his "management wisdom" that is entrusted only to the most robotic and up creative of GW managers.

Includes such gems as claiming employees don't have rights but responsibilities to the company and that therefore, in his eyes, the company can do anything they like to the employee.

At the end it states if you read and don't agree, to read it again and if you still don't agree with his twisted, sociopathic views, then you're not smart enough to understand it.

The man is deranged.

Outdated information is outdated.......

[Thaldin]

I would so be all over an Eldar-Sisters boxset....

Hell, I'd hold the door open for EldarGal to go in and off said named person if they ever provide her with a name.

[Skullric]

Some notes made during the first Galaxy at War seminar at the WHW Open Day

Standard Background Questions were covered, then it was open for the audience to ask questions
Is the clock ticking? Nope, it's 11:58.
The plan i to expand the war zones and embed them into the background
10,000 years so a lot of backstory to fill in
Thus gives a broad canvas to set games as and when required
It's an evolving timeline rather than a progressing timeline

How is racial depth progressed?
Driver is from the miniatures, but themed releases will give character to each race. Release methodology assists in this.

Is the Emperor (who protects) dead?
Is the golden throne failing? And thus will the light of Astronomicon go out?
If the emperor dies does it bring about his true apotheosis?
He's not dead, but on his last legs
Re the golden throne: Mars tech advice is to "turn it off and turn it back on again"

Q&A eldar and exodites expansion likely? Fits in with what was said earlier regarding supplements and an agile release schedule. If a sculptor is inspired to create a spot release, it could more easily be fitted in.

Primarchs: will the ones that still exist appear in the post heresy timeline? The Chaos Space Marine book timeline includes 13th Black Crusade, with Abaddon expanding the eye of terror towards Terra. There are hints that some of the bad primarchs have an active influence in the post heresy timeline. Thus the precedent is set to allow Loyalist Primarchs to also exert their influence in some way.

Black crusade campaign book? Not touched upon, but a possibility.

Thought process in adding minis to the back ground? Eg centurions appear in real life, but have been part of the mythos forever. If the background is "fixed", there's no scope for expansion, hence would be stagnant. "It's always been there, just not been revealed to us"

They like to release new models, but some tyranid characters went into retirement, eg: parasite of mortrax(?), so if no models, the unit is removed. The increased White Dwarf frequency allows new model rules to be released alongside the models outside the codex release sequence. Common sense approach to ensure models are available

How do you decide where to cast the spotlight? There's a pool of stuff being enthusiastically worked in. So many things simmering, so will evolve and some to fruition, some will not

1000 psykers are needed to kill the Emperor alive? 40k story is that humanity as a race is evolving and unsanctioned psykers are more prevalent. Hence the black ships section of the Inquisition round up the clerks, deck hands, etc that exhibit psyhic power and utilise them to.

Any plans to update older metal ranges? Eg Sisters of Battle. It's what they do and depends if it's one of the projects that evolve. It'd need to have a level of commitment to do it properly. Sisters of Battle are not going away. It took a while to return to Dark Eldar, but eventually they got back to do it properly.

But why for example, do the Imperial Knight? Well, Imperial knights have actually been in the background for longer (older IP). They were also an enthusiastic project. Sisters, as a full army, will take more work

How is the scale of figures decided upon? Eg Space marine vs knight?
No way will he fit in the head, hence sat in body. How do you get ten marines in. Rhino? People can budge up a bit.

When citadel minis, they were a size rather than a scale 1/56. Over time things have changed. Space Marines have changed in the literature, gaining height from the original 7-8 feet. True scale vehicles would make battlefields a lot more crowded.

How are the back stories of Hero characters developed? They read the past stories. Then ask what can these people do to evolve the story line? Look at their traits, e.g. lysander's quarantined return. Take the traits, turn the dial to 11 and make them exemplars. Throw in an occasional anti-hero for contrast.

What about Death-watch minis? They're just another example of the desire for expansion. The well (of source material to draw on) will not run dry.

Questions to the audience:

The imperium is beset on all sides? Who will get us and why?
Nids!
Orks, because Nids/Orks become Orks!
Squats!

Who's the biggest, nastiest villain?
The Emperor?
Gulliman for weakening the legions?

End of seminar


Skullric

[Path Walker]

Outdated information is outdated.......

Apparently the Black Book is still given out, it's a work of art.

[Mr Mystery]

Apparently the Black Book is still given out, it's a work of art.

It's really not. Whole new way of doing things came into effect around 2010. I should know. I was there for it!

[Aldavaer]

Re the golden throne: Mars tech advice is to "turn it off and turn it back on again
Skullric

Nice to see there will be no advance in tech support advice in the next 38000 years. :rolleyes:

[Psychosplodge]

Well we've regressed, because they have to burn incense and chant at the same time...

[Tomgar]

Nice to see there will be no advance in tech support advice in the next 38000 years. :rolleyes:

"Have you tried praying at it?"

"Yeah, it's not working."

"Bugger..."

[Arkhan Land]

Well we've regressed, because they have to burn incense and chant at the same time...

when im soldering my PA equipment I burn incense and listen to kraftwerk...

[Kirsten]

I always like the sanctified 40k approach of giving it a ceremonial smack on the casing

[Mr Mystery]

The Litany of Percussive Maintenance.

As featured in Ciaphas Cain.

[Kirsten]

that's the one

[DWest]

I'll admit, I've said "Praise the Machine God" and kinda-sorta meant it before, once with a lawn mower and once with a computer. Both times, they died mysteriously, none of the standard troubleshooting worked (gas, sparkplugs / resetting wires and power-cycling), and then later on they started working again. While I'm sure there's a reasonable, scientific explanation for what happened, it can't hurt to cover all the bases, can it?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

The Litany of Percussive Maintenance.

As featured in Ciaphas Cain.

Whoah, as in proper banging on bits of metal?

Awesome. Industrial music survives into the 41st millenium AND being used by the mechanicum. I couldnt ask for a more bright future for my beloved fave music genre. Suck on that metalheads! :P

[Psychosplodge]

I think its the prayer you're meant to recite while performing percussive maintenance :D
Or whacking it...

[Wolfshade]

Percussive maintenance, it's a NMI (Non-maskable Input)

[Mr Mystery]

It's great because it works!

And yes, the Mechanicum genuinley has a litany of percussive maintenance.

And it does work!