Space Wolves Rumor Roundup

[40kGamer]

lets out a unintelligible sound of lust.. then drools possibly on the verge of slobbering.

I might just do unbound.. and have a March of the Ancients.

I am a seriously happy puppy! :) A variety of Wolf Dreads would be a fun project!


Also, "Murderfang" would make a lot more sense if it was named "Wulfen Dreadnought" instead... since that's what it appears to be.

Have to agree that someone went off the rails naming this guy!

[Cutter]

Yeah, I'm really not getting why it's called a Murderfang with Murderclaws who has Murderlust. None of that sounds even remotely right for the attitude of the Space Wolves. Murder is a cold, brutal act of unnecessary violence. Space Wolves are all about doing violence "the right way." Murder just feels like something they'd consider a cowardly act, not something they'd want to slap all over one of their living ancients. Even if it is an ancient Space Wolf who devolved due to the Wulfen.

Someone in Gee-Dub just loves the murder. Having a murderpack Helbrute formation obviously just didn't cut it. Now it's all murder all the time.

[spagunk]

I will forever refer to that murderfang model as "William Murderface, Murderface, Murderface".

[Agramar]

Hi!
Here we have Muerdfang rules:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/07/reglas-y-coste-confirmados-de-murderfang.html
Quite cheap,isn't it?

[Mr Mystery]

Is naice!

Though seeing as it's in essence a loyalist Dread that's gone the same way Chaos Dreads do (minus the mutations) I'm expecting more complaints from the Chaos Corner any second.

[Kevlarshark]

Justifiably so, a Chaos dred (hellbrute if you want) with similar equipment is only 15 pints less, but lacks all of those special rules and 2x attacks... rage and rampage alone on a dred are worth 15 points!
Grey hunters were basically Chaos marines with space marine fearless for free, it wasn't surprising that some chaos players started using the wolf codex as it better fitted how their army should play.

[Agramar]

Justifiably so, a Chaos dred (hellbrute if you want) with similar equipment is only 15 pints less, but lacks all of those special rules and 2x attacks... rage and rampage alone on a dred are worth 15 points!
Grey hunters were basically Chaos marines with space marine fearless for free, it wasn't surprising that some chaos players started using the wolf codex as it better fitted how their army should play.
Not in my case,but may be some World Eaters players,for instance,can found this new codex appealing,in the same way that others looks BA codex.

[Cleon]

Hi!
Here we have Muerdfang rules:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/07/reglas-y-coste-confirmados-de-murderfang.html
Quite cheap,isn't it?

Am I being insane here or does Furious charge do nothing unless he's had both claws destroyed?

Base str 6, but equipped with str 7 (not str +1) weapons, so str 7 all the time regardless? (or did this change without me noticing?)

[Charon]

A S7 weapon benefits from +1S. There is no reason why not.

[Cleon]

A S7 weapon benefits from +1S. There is no reason why not.

Furious charge (pg 164): "In a turn in which a model with this special rule charges into combat, it adds +1 to it's Strength characteristic until the end of the assault phase."

His str characteristic is 6, his weapon is str 7. I've always played my Blood Angels as Corbulo ha a Str 5 weapon, Astorath has a str 6 weapon, so they gain no benefit, Dante has a str+1 weapon so he does. I'd like to be wrong, but I'd like a reason why.

[Agramar]

"William" Murderfang had Str 8 in charges,Str 7 normal

[Cleon]

"William" Murderfang had Str 8 in charges,Str 7 normal

Yes, that's what the other chap said. Could you please explain why/how?

[Agramar]

Yep,it's very easy:Furious charge gives a model +1 Str just in charges,right?Murderclaws had own profile,as other special weapons.Until are destroyed,Murderfang "attack" Str is Murderclaw's Str,no basis one(6).So,Murderfang+ Furius Charge equals 8 in charges,7 normal.
If Murderclaws are destroyed,Murderfang has Str 6,7 in charges(+1).

[Cleon]

Ah yes, but read the Furious charge rule (posted above) Furious charge increases the MODEL's strength characteristic. Murderfang does not use his Str characteristic, he uses his WEAPON's Str characteristic, so the MODEL's characteristic changing from 6 to 7 has no effect on his Str 7 weapon.

Unless there is some FAQ I'm unaware of?

[Chris Tybjerg]

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[Agramar]

Yes,but model's main weapon Str to in this case "Model's Str" too...Str 6 is just in case that Murderclaws are destroyed,only that.You can't decide not use Murderclaws,becasuse is your only weanpon(Pair of) and is your current "Attack Str"

[Charon]

Ah yes, but read the Furious charge rule (posted above) Furious charge increases the MODEL's strength characteristic. Murderfang does not use his Str characteristic, he uses his WEAPON's Str characteristic, so the MODEL's characteristic changing from 6 to 7 has no effect on his Str 7 weapon.

Unless there is some FAQ I'm unaware of?

The models S characteristic becomes 7 as soon as it makes use of the claws.
Otherwise you could never ever use the claws as wounding says:


Consult the chart above, cross-referencing the attacker’s Strength characteristic with the defender’s Toughness.

As the S characteristic would be 6 in your interpretation, the claws would do nothing at all (same as the weapons of your BA characters)

[Erik Setzer]

In the Weapons section (which is hilariously referenced as "later" in the Assault Phase section which comes after it in the book), it specifically states that if a weapon has a Strength characteristic, you use that instead for wounding. It never says it becomes the model's Strength characteristic. So nice try with quoting the stuff around the chart, but that doesn't actually work if you'd read the bit later in the paragraph and then referenced the section it tells you to reference.

Meanwhile, Furious Charge specifically says it adds +1 to the model's Strength characteristic, not the Strength of any weapon he's carrying. So because Wolfy McMurderface has a specified Strength on his weapon, he's not actually gaining any benefit from Furious Charge (even for Hammer of Wrath, as it specifically says Furious Charge doesn't affect it).

You can try to house rule it some other way, but if you use the rules as the rulebook states them, FC is doing nothing for Murder Wolfenstein there. Chalk it up to GW's wonderful rules team that doesn't seem to know what they're doing at times. (For example, in one mission in Red Waaagh!'s campaign, if you win, your Knights get Fleet and Move Through Cover in the next mission... even though they already have Move Through Cover because they're super-heavy walkers.) It's stuff like this that makes me feel better about occasionally slipping up and having to check a rule to make sure I'm remembering it right.

[Agramar]

So...Why Murderfang had an useless rule?Is useless until you destroy both weapons and it charge...

[Erik Setzer]

So...Why Murderfang had an useless rule?Is useless until you destroy both weapons and it charge...

For the same reason a mission in the campaign they just released "gives" Move Through Cover to Knights in the next mission if you win... they keep forgetting how their rules work and just rush through things without really checking, so they can keep up the release schedule.

Have to say, though, if he got to add another +1 to the weapon's Strength, that'd be just sick for 135 points, because at that point he's ignoring all armor saves (only inv. saves against him), *and* he would be high enough Strength to cause Instant Death on the charge against pretty much any Space Marine character who isn't on a bike (and doesn't have Eternal Warrior).

[Agramar]

For the same reason a mission in the campaign they just released "gives" Move Through Cover to Knights in the next mission if you win... they keep forgetting how their rules work and just rush through things without really checking, so they can keep up the release schedule.

Have to say, though, if he got to add another +1 to the weapon's Strength, that'd be just sick for 135 points, because at that point he's ignoring all armor saves (only inv. saves against him), *and* he would be high enough Strength to cause Instant Death on the charge against pretty much any Space Marine character who isn't on a bike (and doesn't have Eternal Warrior).

So you think that in Lenton,f.i drink too much ale during game design and that made designers unprofessionals.Well,it is reasonable...but ale is not going to save for instant dead R4 miniatures.
Oh,please,come on!!People fear an another Space marine character ready to kill other Space-marine-characters and go around and around with rule's interpretation and/or drink habibts in GW during work?Rules are badly written but this is overkill... ¬¬

[MarneusCalgar]

New pics from GROT ORDERLY!!

http://grotorderly.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/white-dwarf-27-przecieki-czesc-2-leaks.html

Now we can see pics for the Limited Editions (Wolf Guard and Long Fangs) of the Wolves´ Codex!!


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[Cutter]

Am I being insane here or does Furious charge do nothing unless he's had both claws destroyed?

Base str 6, but equipped with str 7 (not str +1) weapons, so str 7 all the time regardless? (or did this change without me noticing?)

I think you're spot on Cleon, should it ever come up with us I'll be suggesting Murderine's Claws should be treated as S+1 under normal circumstances and S+2 on the charge. I can't think of any other powered melee weapon that has a flat STR value off the top of my head, put it down to sloppy writing.

[Mr Mystery]

Or being precisely how the designer wanted them....

Anyhoo.

Just got an email from GW, about 'Meet the heroes of Fenris'.

Canis is there. As is Nigel. And 'Wolflord on Thunderwolf'.

So Canis in, and seemingly no renaming of the Thunderwolf dude to Harald. Does not necessarily exclude Harald from being in the book though.

[Erik Setzer]

New pics from GROT ORDERLY!!

http://grotorderly.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/white-dwarf-27-przecieki-czesc-2-leaks.html

Now we can see pics for the Limited Editions (Wolf Guard and Long Fangs) of the Wolves´ Codex!!


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Well, with that confirmation, I officially feel bad for Space Wolf players. Their cheaper set is $15 more than the Ork set, and swap out a supplement for a fluff book. If they want the supplement (which, if it's like W!G, will be a must-have), they have to get the $250 version.

And they wonder why their revenues are down...

[Agramar]

Or being precisely how the designer wanted them....

Anyhoo.

Just got an email from GW, about 'Meet the heroes of Fenris'.

Canis is there. As is Nigel. And 'Wolflord on Thunderwolf'.

So Canis in, and seemingly no renaming of the Thunderwolf dude to Harald. Does not necessarily exclude Harald from being in the book though.
But are web exclusives now...

[Cutter]

Or being precisely how the designer wanted them...

Nearly spat my tea over my monitor. You remain, as ever, Mister Mr E, comedy gold.

[JimmyWolf]

He's S8 on the charge. Otherwise you wouldn't add +1S for Power Fists or Thunder Hammers (which state X2 on the weapons profile) Frost Weapons, Relic Weapons or anything else that in anyway changes the Strength characteristic. I remember on the original Space Wolves FAQ Kelly stating that the ThunderWolf bonus was unusual in that it wasn't BONUS S it was a BASE S upgrade.

Furious Charge is a bonus, not a base increase. So it will always increase the Strength of the model when it charges, regardless of the weapon. The ThunderWolf Cavalry upgrade was a base Strength increase, so Thunder Hammers on them would be S10, rather than S9, because the Furious charge bonus is applied after the weapon is taken into account.

[Troll Factory]

... they have to get the $250 version.


250$ for exclusive version this is too much but 10+ to sharp fangs :)

[Erik Setzer]

He's S8 on the charge. Otherwise you wouldn't add +1S for Power Fists or Thunder Hammers (which state X2 on the weapons profile) Frost Weapons, Relic Weapons or anything else that in anyway changes the Strength characteristic. I remember on the original Space Wolves FAQ Kelly stating that the ThunderWolf bonus was unusual in that it wasn't BONUS S it was a BASE S upgrade.

Furious Charge is a bonus, not a base increase. So it will always increase the Strength of the model when it charges, regardless of the weapon. The ThunderWolf Cavalry upgrade was a base Strength increase, so Thunder Hammers on them would be S10, rather than S9, because the Furious charge bonus is applied after the weapon is taken into account.

Furious Charge, as it works *now*, increases the *model's* Strength *characteristic.* So, on the charge, an Ork Nob goes from S4 to S5 on his profile.

A power fist (or klaw) doubles the model's Strength characteristic. So it would be S(5)x2 = 10. That's how it affects power fists and similar weapons.

If a weapon has a set Strength, it's not using the model's Strength characteristic. So Furious Charge increasing said characteristic does jack squat for the weapon's Strength.

Sure, they might have intended to give +1S to the Murderclaws on the charge, but then, they should learn their own rules and actually write a rule for the model that does that, rather than giving him a rule that does nothing for him. If they try to say in a FAQ "well, we *meant* for it to work this way..." then it means the entire rulebook is open for people to just interpret things however they feel like it *should* work, rather than how it says it works.

And seriously, folks, before you keep arguing this, do be so kind as to crack open a 7th edition 40K rulebook and read the special rule. It *is* an increase to the model's base Strength characteristic, not a bonus applied to any weapons he has. It's only useful if the weapon he's using uses the user's Strength in figuring out its own Strength.

[Mr Mystery]

Erm....not the way it's ever been played before. Indeed, previous versions of the rules made it clear you applied S bonuses after any weapon bonuses....

Will defo check my rulebook when I get home though, as may well have changed.

[Erik Setzer]

Erm....not the way it's ever been played before. Indeed, previous versions of the rules made it clear you applied S bonuses after any weapon bonuses....

Will defo check my rulebook when I get home though, as may well have changed.

Yeah, it changed in a very important way. Makes it a lot better for Nobz with power klaws on the charge (which is bad news for vehicles of any sort, including Imperial Knights it seems). The new wording makes it very clear that it's applied to the model's Strength.

It could be that the guys writing the rules for the Murderfang were thinking of older rules, but that just shows some dysfunction in their crew as they have guys writing rules who don't know the 7th edition rules (and that also goes to prove that 7th edition wasn't some long-planned project that has been carefully worked on for the last two years like some have claimed).

Of course, one of the guys talking about the Orkanauts in White Dwarf also referred to them having twin-linked rokkit launchas, which they don't either in WD or the Ork codex, so their lack of knowing the rules (even for a model they just released) isn't exactly new.

[40kGamer]

Erm....not the way it's ever been played before. Indeed, previous versions of the rules made it clear you applied S bonuses after any weapon bonuses....

Will defo check my rulebook when I get home though, as may well have changed.

Going to have to check this out tonight too. Order of operations up to 6th gave marine/nob powerfists/powerclaws S9 with Furious charge. (S x 2 + 1 FC)

[Agramar]

Going to have to check this out tonight too. Order of operations up to 6th gave marine/nob powerfists/powerclaws S9 with Furious charge. (S x 2 + 1 FC)
Yes, the bonus go before multiply

[Erik Setzer]

Going to have to check this out tonight too. Order of operations up to 6th gave marine/nob powerfists/powerclaws S9 with Furious charge. (S x 2 + 1 FC)

Yeah, it changed in 7th. I'll quote the book (got it with me, both my Kindle version and mini-book):

"FURIOUS CHARGE
Some warriors use the impetus of the charge to fuel their own fury.
In a turn in which a model with this special rule charges into combat, it adds +1 to its Strength characteristic until the end of the Assault phase. A model that has made a disordered charge that turn receives no benefit from Furious Charge (pg 54)."

So since you're adding +1 to the model's Strength characteristic, it then becomes (Base Strength + 1 = New Strength) x 2 for power fists, or a hefty S10. A *very* key change in how it works. Only it does mean that, as the rule is written, it doesn't add a bonus to any weapon that has its own Strength value, as you're supposed to use that instead of the model's Strength characteristic (which is what FC is modifying).

I think someone messed up at GW and they'll have to errata out FC and replace it with a special rule for the Murderfang, or change the claws to be Strength +1 instead of 7 (which will be S7 normally and S8 on the charge). Until then, thought, he had a useless rule, because they can't keep track of all the changes to their own rule set. (On the plus side, it's a lot less embarrassing now for players to forget rules!)

[40kGamer]

So since you're adding +1 to the model's Strength characteristic, it then becomes (Base Strength + 1 = New Strength) x 2 for power fists, or a hefty S10. A *very* key change in how it works.

Until then, though, he has a useless rule, because they can't keep track of all the changes to their own rule set. (On the plus side, it's a lot less embarrassing now for players to forget rules!)

Wow. That is a big change as S10 comes in very handy! And the rules are changing so fast now it is almost impossible to keep track of what does what, when. :rolleyes:

[Hjarl]

Stop Guys. You are wrong. Nothing has changed in that regard. The core rules section called "multiple modifiers" is still in effect. A str 4 guy with a powerfist and furious charge is still str 9 on the assault. It goes like this: first apply any multipliers, then apply addition/subtractions, and finaly apply set values.

So since a fixed str weapon, like the claws, is a set value, he gains close to nothing from furious charge.

The multiple modifiers section is on page 362 of the digital rulebook.

[40kGamer]

Stop Guys. You are wrong. Nothing has changed in that regard. The core rules section called "multiple modifiers" is still in effect. A str 4 guy with a powerfist and furious charge is still str 9 on the assault. It goes like this: first apply any multipliers, then apply addition/subtractions, and finaly apply set values.

So since a fixed str weapon, like the claws, is a set value, he gains close to nothing from furious charge.

The multiple modifiers section is on page 362 of the digital rulebook.

Thanks for the heads up! I thought I'd missed a big change when I read through 7th. After so many editions you can start to skip over rules you think you know. :)

[Wildcard]

I am really disappointed again how much more ap2 (and ap3) weaponry is brought to the table with the wolves.. although if considering their role to smack the marines up it may be only group who has it justified..

[Erik Setzer]

Stop Guys. You are wrong. Nothing has changed in that regard. The core rules section called "multiple modifiers" is still in effect. A str 4 guy with a powerfist and furious charge is still str 9 on the assault. It goes like this: first apply any multipliers, then apply addition/subtractions, and finaly apply set values.

So since a fixed str weapon, like the claws, is a set value, he gains close to nothing from furious charge.

The multiple modifiers section is on page 362 of the digital rulebook.

It's still a bit iffy. I'd be fine with it being S9 for FC power fists/klaws, but that's the kind of thing that, if applicable to weapons and all, should be in the section with the weapons, where it implies the weapon's Strength is equal to double the model's Strength characteristic (which FC adds +1 to).

Given that GW's own rules writers seem to have a hard time figuring out how these rules work, I'm not sure anyone here can definitively say either way.

Lovely mess, isn't it?

[Cutter]

Lovely mess, isn't it?

Almost worth a trip into the local GeeDub on Saturday to ask the staff to rationalise it.

Almost.

:)

[Erik Setzer]

Almost worth a trip into the local GeeDub on Saturday to ask the staff to rationalise it.

Almost.

:)

I don't pick on the local manager, he's a nice guy and often just as confused by some of the stuff, especially as running a store means you have less time to actually play the games and get a feel for what's going on with the new stuff.

(Also, he's been picked on enough this week. Trying to paint up one of those new Realm of Battle boards for us, and someone knocked over something that left a few drops of paint barely visible on a street, and one guy keeps pointing it out to everyone. Like painting that board isn't punishing enough?)

[MarneusCalgar]

New WD pics!!


http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/rumores-nuevas-imagenes-y-rumores-sobre.html


But to be fair, the original source for my blog today was this, the first ones to publish them:


http://waaaghgaming.de/bilder-aus-dem-white-dwarf-helfrost-kanone-fuer-cybots-und-vorschau-auf-naechste-woche/


Unluckily, they´re in German language


So all the credits must go for them!!

[Agramar]

Hey guys!It's me...or we have a new Wolf priest in terminator armor in this pic?
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[40kGamer]

Hey guys!It's me...or ww hace a new Wolf priest in terminator armor in this pic?
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Good eye. I can't tell 100% if it's a new fig or conversion but I don't recognize the figure.

[Agramar]

Good eye. I can't tell 100% if it's a new fig or conversion but I don't recognize the figure.
Thanks,I love chapalins and similar miniatures.GW nowadays don't use transformations in their "official" armies.I think it can be a new model.

[40kGamer]

Thanks,I love chapalins and similar miniatures.GW nowadays don't use transformations in their "official" armies.I think it can be a new model.

A new wolf priest would be sweet! Can't wait to see if there are still some surprises in the new SW releases. :)

[MarneusCalgar]

It was rumoured about 1 week ago that maybe Ulrik should be renewed in a dual kit with a normal Priest.

Either that happens or not, ye we, wolves´ players, can be proud with the new kits. They cover our primal needs from the last Codex.

A good move by GW, really.

The only black spot? Some ooooold miniatures (Ragnar, I´m looking to you) and... We miss Leman Russ our Primarch from FW!!!

[Agramar]

A new wolf priest would be sweet! Can't wait to see if there are still some surprises in the new SW releases. :)
It enter between reasonable.Njal Stormcaller has both models,for instance.And terminator miniatures(Characters) are always a winner release in Space Marine armies

[Voracioustigger]

I think the Str 7 vs. Str 8 debate for Murderfang on the Charge has been resolved. Str 8 it is... until a German speaker says otherwise.

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[Agramar]

I think the Str 7 vs. Str 8 debate for Murderfang on the Charge has been resolved. Str 8 it is... until a German speaker says otherwise.

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I'am not german speaker but I have a smattering of it and I think you are right

[Erik Setzer]

I think the Str 7 vs. Str 8 debate for Murderfang on the Charge has been resolved. Str 8 it is... until a German speaker says otherwise.

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Oh? So the text in White Dwarf accompanying a model overrides the rules?

Cool, then, my Orkanauts now have twin-linked rokkit launchas, even though neither White Dwarf nor the codex said they did. But hey, the paragraph of notes about it said they were twin-linked, so they're twin-linked. Thanks, guys!

And lest we forget, "Psychic Focus" is really "Battle Focus," because that's what it was called in text in White Dwarf talking about it. Since, you know, White Dwarf's commentary is always 100% accurate, and we should totally ignore the rules in favor of that, even when the rules don't work the way the guys writing those comments think they do.

Or, if you're not wanting to open that can of worms and see the game devolve into some hilarious stupid stuff where guys making comments in WD who don't seem to know the rules end up somehow overriding the rules, then the Murderfang is S7 until they change the claws to S+1, and Orkanauts only have regular rokkit launchas rather than twin-linked.

But hey, let me know if you think the commentary overrides the rules. If if does, I'm going to bookmark this discussion on my phone, pull it up, and show people in White Dwarf where they called my Morkanaut's rokkit launchas twin-linked even though the rules don't ever say they are, and I'll be firing them twin-linked.

[Voracioustigger]

Erik, no need to be dramatic. I was just pointing out the interpretation of someone I assume is a game designer or someone on the inside with access to the people who wrote the rules, and their interpretation was S8. Obviously, the wording is not perfect. I don't think anyone would ever accuse GW of being perfect.

All issues like this should always just be a friendly pre-game discussion with your opponent, and, if it can't be resolved, a roll-off (unless you have some house rules). I would think that anyone I played with would view this as good enough evidence that the bonus was supposed to stack with the weapon, but everyone's gaming group is different. If your gaming group always plays RAW until FAQed, then I'd have no problem saying that he's a flat S7 on the charge. I just personally think that based on what appears to be the intent of the designers, that he should be S8 on the charge.

[daboarder]

Erik, no need to be dramatic. I was just pointing out the interpretation of someone I assume is a game designer or someone on the inside with access to the people who wrote the rules, and their interpretation was S8.

There is a reason Erik has taken his stance. GW designers rarely know their own rules.

[Erik Setzer]

Erik, no need to be dramatic. I was just pointing out the interpretation of someone I assume is a game designer or someone on the inside with access to the people who wrote the rules, and their interpretation was S8. Obviously, the wording is not perfect. I don't think anyone would ever accuse GW of being perfect.

Well, when someone claims the debate is "resolved" just because the text in an article talks about a rule incorrectly, it's kind of annoying. Especially as they've been so wrong in the recent past. You can't just say, "Okay, debate's over, someone at GW said it's this way in a WD article!" No, that just means that in their haste to write the article, they didn't look up how the rules work.

Intent is one thing. And once they errata the model and admit they screwed up, he'll be S8. Until then, he's S7, because if you're going to talk about "intent" and change the rules for one model, it opens up every model to questions of "What is the intent of this?" They need to admit they screwed up and fix it... *if* it's meant to be fixed. After all, they've already released an FAQ/Errata for the Orks codex, and haven't yet changed the Orkanauts to have twin-linked rokkits, despite them being called that in the paragraphs of text accompanying their release in White Dwarf. I saw someone playing them twin-linked because he assumed that's how they work based on the incorrect comment, but it's not how they work until their actual rules state that. (He's since recognized that was just someone saying nonsense in the magazine.)

[bfmusashi]

This isn't the place for this kind of nonsense guys.

[Erik Setzer]

This is so asinine.
You're right about the rule as its strictly interpreted, but there's no value or entertainment playing with a goon who insists on interpreting these things so intensely. If a player is sitting down to play someone to the point they’re refusing the +1 strength when the designers intention is so, so, obvious here (as there is no reason for the rule to exist otherwise)... if you’re that player, you’re a bozo. There will be errata and FAQ on its way pretty quickly and that player will look like a bigger bozo.

No. Because rules often exist that don't serve much of a purpose, so that's an "asinine" argument. As is trying to claim the intent is there based on articles in WD, which have been wrong multiple times. I don't call people "asinine" when they CORRECTLY don't allow me to fire my Morkanaut's rokkit launchas as if they were twin-linked.

You can be insulting about wanting to play the rules as they are, rather than trying to figure out some magical new definition that goes against what the rules say and claiming you know the "intent." But it's more asinine to claim you know the "intent" and that the rules are wrong because the "intent" means the rules should be something else. If you start to claim the rules should not be what they are just because of "intent," then it opens a wonderful slippery slope. Are you "asinine" enough to go down that route?

If an errata changes the weapon, then it can become Strength 8. If the rules in the codex show the weapon with Strength 7, then the rules for the weapon and the rules in the rulebook clearly state he is striking at Strength 7, and Furious Charge will only come into effect when he is charging without weapons.

If you think that's a silly way for a model to work, blame the people writing the rules for it. Don't insult and attack players who don't want to open up a game that's already a bit of a mess to all kinds of arguments about "I know what the rules are, but the INTENT means the rules SHOULD BE this other way." The kind of person who wants to open up those arguments is the biggest bozo around.

But then, people who make an account just to be insulting to others are pretty blatant in being asinine bozos.

[eldannardo]

New Logan

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww77/eldannardo/imagejpg1.jpg (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/eldannardo/media/imagejpg1.jpg.html)

[bfmusashi]

Logan's all LOOK AT THIS THING I FOUND!

[eldannardo]

Not to sure about the land boat...

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww77/eldannardo/1175dc37-3ead-4135-a32c-a4c9b41b17c7.jpg (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/eldannardo/media/1175dc37-3ead-4135-a32c-a4c9b41b17c7.jpg.html)

[Matrias]

No. Because rules often exist that don't serve much of a purpose, so that's an "asinine" argument. As is trying to claim the intent is there based on articles in WD, which have been wrong multiple times. I don't call people "asinine" when they CORRECTLY don't allow me to fire my Morkanaut's rokkit launchas as if they were twin-linked.

You can be insulting about wanting to play the rules as they are, rather than trying to figure out some magical new definition that goes against what the rules say and claiming you know the "intent." But it's more asinine to claim you know the "intent" and that the rules are wrong because the "intent" means the rules should be something else. If you start to claim the rules should not be what they are just because of "intent," then it opens a wonderful slippery slope. Are you "asinine" enough to go down that route?

If an errata changes the weapon, then it can become Strength 8. If the rules in the codex show the weapon with Strength 7, then the rules for the weapon and the rules in the rulebook clearly state he is striking at Strength 7, and Furious Charge will only come into effect when he is charging without weapons.

If you think that's a silly way for a model to work, blame the people writing the rules for it. Don't insult and attack players who don't want to open up a game that's already a bit of a mess to all kinds of arguments about "I know what the rules are, but the INTENT means the rules SHOULD BE this other way." The kind of person who wants to open up those arguments is the biggest bozo around.

But then, people who make an account just to be insulting to others are pretty blatant in being asinine bozos.

Your example you are comparing this to - your weapon not being twin linked - is a false equivalence. It's not the same. You have a rule that isn't present at all in the Codex (your twinlinked) vs one that is present but isn't working properly because of a designer oversight (Murderfang and Furious Charge). There's a very obvious bug with Furious Charge here and we can all tell how its supposed to work.

You say I'm insulting you - I'm not - I outlined a set of behaviours and said what I thought of people who behave this way. I think those sorts of attitudes are jerkish and negatively impact the hobby for everyone. Being right at all costs makes this no fun for anyone.

The way I see it, Murderfang's opponents have a choice - they can either choose to be a good sport and allow the Space Wolves player to correct the bug and use the ability as intended. Or they can insist on being Right and senselessly follow a flawed bug to rule of the law under the disingenuous guise of being fair (while actually wringing a competitive advantage out of them that should be in their toolbox).

Personally, I'd rather pack up then continue to play with the latter. If you don't like that, perhaps you should re-evaluate what sort of player you're choosing to be.

[Agramar]

Look,in chariot!
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/08/ultima-horalogan-grimnar-desevelado.html

[spud75]

Looks like GW just copied my wolf priest terminator conversion ;)

[Defenestratus]

Look,in chariot!
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/08/ultima-horalogan-grimnar-desevelado.html

There are no words to describe just how terrible that model looks.

[Agramar]

Well is...curious,ejem!
Old model is better for the chariot,but new model on foot is quite nice

[Beamo]

Looks like GW just copied my wolf priest terminator conversion ;)

Imagine how I feel about the dreadnought kit. :P

[Agramar]

A guy called Brendon Jakubowski made this years ago:
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well,everybody know Grukk:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/45/Grukk-miniature.png
:rolleyes:

[Beamo]

A guy called Brendon Jakubowski made this years ago:
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well,everybody know Grukk:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/45/Grukk-miniature.png
:rolleyes:

wow...

[Agramar]

Yep,so don't worry.You are not alone...

[Beamo]

Yep,so don't worry.You are not alone...

The important thing is who wore it better. ;)

[Eldar_Atog]

There are no words to describe just how terrible that model looks.

But you could make a "Santa Claws" conversion with it :)

[Mr Mystery]

I kind of like it.

Looks well odd, but also incredibly Space Wolfy.

[MarneusCalgar]

A guy called Brendon Jakubowski made this years ago:
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well,everybody know Grukk:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/45/Grukk-miniature.png
:rolleyes:

I´m sorry... that´s not Grukk, it´s the Black Reach Warbozz, "my friend"

And remind, this is a Wolves´s fórum, not ork

[daboarder]

I´m sorry... that´s not Grukk, it´s the Black Reach Warbozz, "my friend"

And remind, this is a Wolves´s fórum, not ork

well thats one way to miss a point

[Agramar]

Well it's more "GW has taken some ideas from fans of all armies,not only from space wolves.And if you think one new miniature is a transformation...it is not "is",it "was" "GW took the idea and made a new product with it.
And above I put the transformation,the base of that transformation and finally a link with the picture of Grukk,because the url was too long.
(And people here speaks about rules,STr,weapons...and no rumors, in an half a dozen post and none cares):)

[The Girl]

Just a reminder: we're talking about toy soldiers and rules for games. There's no need to resort to name calling and nit picking. I know rules can be a contentious subject… but, you need to take it down four, maybe five notches.

Also: this beef that's going on between 2 particular users (you know who you are) needs to stop. NOW. It's disruptive. This forum is not here for you to snipe at each other because of personal disagreements. Take it to PMs or email or your blog. I don't want to see it out here again. I will issue bans if it continues.

[Mr Mystery]

A guy called Brendon Jakubowski made this years ago:
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well,everybody know Grukk:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/4/45/Grukk-miniature.png
:rolleyes:

Now that sort of conversion was shown off in WD a while back. And I'm pretty sure it was someone in the Studio that had done it. Bad Moon Warboss if memory serves. Had a step by step guide on how to do it.

And I was right. http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/9/10/269168-Converted%20Black%20Reach%20Bad%20Moon%20Ork%20War boss%20from%20White%20Dwarf%20Masterclass.jpg

Now, which came first, I dunno. Date stamp on the linked Dakka post (where the image is from) is 2011. Either September or October.

[daboarder]

it was a fairly common conversion, it happnes

[Agramar]

Now that sort of conversion was shown off in WD a while back. And I'm pretty sure it was someone in the Studio that had done it. Bad Moon Warboss if memory serves. Had a step by step guide on how to do it.

And I was right. http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/9/10/269168-Converted%20Black%20Reach%20Bad%20Moon%20Ork%20War boss%20from%20White%20Dwarf%20Masterclass.jpg

Now, which came first, I dunno. Date stamp on the linked Dakka post (where the image is from) is 2011. Either September or October.
Yep,that's another example.So,it not be strange if something like this http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/photopost/space-marines/p1688-space-wolves-wolf-priest-terminator.html,is next week is on sale(Well,pre-sale)

[MarneusCalgar]

Just a reminder: we're talking about toy soldiers and rules for games. There's no need to resort to name calling and nit picking. I know rules can be a contentious subject… but, you need to take it down four, maybe five notches.

Also: this beef that's going on between 2 particular users (you know who you are) needs to stop. NOW. It's disruptive. This forum is not here for you to snipe at each other because of personal disagreements. Take it to PMs or email or your blog. I don't want to see it out here again. I will issue bans if it continues.


Sorry, I apologize, but this user is not talking here about space wolves, the topic of the thread... I only reminded that.

I´m here to talk about wolves, not orks

[The Girl]

The discussion I'm seeing here is about popular conversions and their similarities to models later produced by GW in relation to a recent SW kit, and doesn't derail the thread entirely. The conversation is civil… just don't take it too far out there.

And just a general note: if you see something you don't like that doesn't break the commenting rules (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/faq.php?faq=termsmaster#faq_termsuse), just scroll past it. And please reserve use of the reporting feature for posts that break the commenting rules (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/faq.php?faq=termsmaster#faq_termsuse) and not for things you simply disagree with.

Thanks, folks. Carry on.

[Agramar]

The idea of the space wolves "flying boat" is quite curious.But, I think is better something like an 8-leg wolf.Two years ago,in GW Argüelles(Madrid,Spain),Lolo(Manager) and Aaron(Both now are ex-GW employees.But now works in other shops) made this "Sleipnir"(That model have only 6 legs,other two are impossible to put) for Space Wolves,with a "Logan-Odín-Grimnar" on and two wolves(And ravens):
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http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2012/12/el-jinete-de-sleipnir.html
Hey!Maybe one day GW made the miniature.If GW made one,maybe i'll buy one ;)

[The Imperial Fist]

The idea of the space wolves "flying boat" is quite curious.But, I think is better something like an 8-leg wolf.Two years ago,in GW Argüelles(Madrid,Spain),Lolo(Manager) and Aaron(Both now are ex-GW employees.But now works in other shops) made this "Sleipnir"(That model have only 6 legs,other two are impossible to put) for Space Wolves,with a "Logan-Odín-Grimnar" on and two wolves(And ravens):
Hey!Maybe one day GW made the miniature.If GW made one,maybe i'll buy one ;)

I like the idea of a flying boat - or skimmer boat at least, before I heard it was a skimmer did not like the design as those wings and engines would not keep that aloft - as it reminds me very much of a British Army landing craft, something I have fond memories of. Controls/cockpit in the same place, same long design with angled front, just enclosed and with engines and wings on SW one.

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[Pssyche]

I like the idea of a flying boat - or skimmer boat at least, before I heard it was a skimmer did not like the design as those wings and engines would not keep that aloft - as it reminds me very much of a British Army landing craft, something I have fond memories of. Controls/cockpit in the same place, same long design with angled front, just enclosed and with engines and wings on SW one.

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That photo would have been epic if you'd just managed to include the Wolf Team pulling it up the beach...

[bfmusashi]

There are no words to describe just how terrible that model looks.
Because it's fantastic. It's all Wreck of the Zephyr as a death metal album cover. It is glorious.

[Power Klawz]

Urgh, really wanted to start focusing on my chaos army but damn, wolves are more metal than csm it looks like. Just snagged a stormclaw boxed set from my flgs (last one, yes I am quite lucky. Find me at a black jack table some time.) and hadn't quite decided what to do with the wolfy wolfs, might just end up keeping them.

[40kGamer]

There are no words to describe just how terrible that model looks.

Conversion possibilities... just keep thinking conversion possibilities... and it'll be ok. :p

[Matrias]

As a Space Wolves player, I think I should chime in and say I think that longship is boss.

[DWest]

Before even worrying about conversions, how about starting with a better paintjob? I think part of the problem is it's too blue, like Logan's auditioning for the Ultramarines or somesuch. Get it into the darker SW gray, and more appropriately weathered-bronze trim and it will look better. Not excellent, probably, but better.

[Pssyche]

Before even worrying about conversions, how about starting with a better paintjob? I think part of the problem is it's too blue, like Logan's auditioning for the Ultramarines or somesuch. Get it into the darker SW gray, and more appropriately weathered-bronze trim and it will look better. Not excellent, probably, but better.

Erm...
Without being pedantic about the changes in the names of Citadel Paints, that IS Space Wolves Grey.
Perhaps you are thinking of the Shadow Grey paint jobs they've been pushng for quite some time now.
Personally, I am glad that they have reverted back to the colour palette of the first, and some would say definitive, Space Wolves Codex.

[Charon]

And even with another paintjob it still remains an awkward longboat antigrav sledge pulled by wolves...

[Pssyche]

And even with another paintjob it still remains an awkward longboat antigrav sledge pulled by wolves...

Don't get me wrong, I think that sled is a pile of ****e.

[Deadlift]

There are no words to describe just how terrible that model looks.

couldn't agree more.

[Al Shut]

it still remains an awkward longboat antigrav sledge pulled by wolves...

you got it all wrong. Obviously the sledge is pushing the wolves.

[MarneusCalgar]

I don´t really understand people who say it´s ugly and doesn´t match with Space Wolves...

Why?

Space Wolves are mainly based in nordic gods and mythos, the Eddas, and all the Viking stuff.

Then, if Thor had a chariot like Logan´s, why isn´t fair for you?

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[daboarder]

People want less viking in their space marine. Not that hard to understand


As for me...id have like to have seen this as a fast attack unit that has 2-3 space marinecrew would match the thunderwolves better.

A terminator on this thing is just beyond dumb

[DWest]

Erm...
Without being pedantic about the changes in the names of Citadel Paints, that IS Space Wolves Grey.
Perhaps you are thinking of the Shadow Grey paint jobs they've been pushng for quite some time now.
Personally, I am glad that they have reverted back to the colour palette of the first, and some would say definitive, Space Wolves Codex.
See when I think "Space Wolves Grey", I think something like Loopy (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Lukas-the-Trickster) here. For the most part, the new run of models is substantially more blue than grey, such as here (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Wolf-Guard-Terminators). Take a look at some of the bundles, especially the Dreadnaughts, and you can see they're wandering back and forth on the color scheme.

Also, holy crap is this (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Rune-Priest-in-Terminator-Armour) a Rogue Trader termie on the loose?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

People want less viking in their space marine. Not that hard to understand

Laughing my *** off here. Check about 20 pages back - or was it in the other thread? - and you'll find someone telling me they should be more Viking and less wolf. Which one is it? Or are people just never satisfied...?

FWIW, I'm not sold on the new Logan. It's not the chariot, which is kind of fun, it's the man himself. He's huge and ornate, which I like, but the old model had such a feral energy to it. I love the charging-with-teeth-bared pose. This one's just too static for me.

[JimmyWolf]

I don´t really understand people who say it´s ugly and doesn´t match with Space Wolves...

Why?

Space Wolves are mainly based in nordic gods and mythos, the Eddas, and all the Viking stuff.

Then, if Thor had a chariot like Logan´s, why isn´t fair for you?

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If it was a scythed, grounded chariot without the ridiculous Longboat thing going on at the front I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.

There's taking the Norse aesthetic and putting it in space and then theres taking everything in Norse Mythology/history and sticking it on one model

[Deadlift]

Laughing my *** off here. Check about 20 pages back - or was it in the other thread? - and you'll find someone telling me they should be more Viking and less wolf. Which one is it? Or are people just never satisfied...?

FWIW, I'm not sold on the new Logan. It's not the chariot, which is kind of fun, it's the man himself. He's huge and ornate, which I like, but the old model had such a feral energy to it. I love the charging-with-teeth-bared pose. This one's just too static for me.

I do think the space wolf aesthetic has gotten a bit too cliché, but watered down with a mix of generic marine kits and choosing models that I like I can and will still build a space wolf army I like the look of. I do prefer the new Logan. I didn't like the way his head in the original model look oversized. This one I like very much.

But to get Logan, do we have to buy the chariot or are they separate purchases ?

I'd be interested what, if any supplement comes with this release.

[daboarder]

They are likely the one purchase

[Pssyche]

See when I think "Space Wolves Grey", I think something like Loopy (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Lukas-the-Trickster) here. For the most part, the new run of models is substantially more blue than grey, such as here (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Wolf-Guard-Terminators). Take a look at some of the bundles, especially the Dreadnaughts, and you can see they're wandering back and forth on the color scheme.

Also, holy crap is this (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Rune-Priest-in-Terminator-Armour) a Rogue Trader termie on the loose?

I think it boils down to when you first started collecting them.
For me, they'll always be the pale blue Space Wolves Grey, because having seen them in their first Codex, back in Second Edition, that's how I've painted them.

[spud75]

Regards to colours, the minis have been the pale blue grey since the first Codex but the artwork and written pieces always have them as a darker 'storm' grey. Just one of those things, it didn't help when the 13th company list in the Eye of Terror came with models painted in a darker 'original' colour scheme.

Edit to add: Does anyone remember which first/second edition book the image of the camouflaged Space Wolves sitting in ambush was in?

[bfmusashi]

People want less viking in their space marine. Not that hard to understand


As for me...id have like to have seen this as a fast attack unit that has 2-3 space marinecrew would match the thunderwolves better.

A terminator on this thing is just beyond dumb

If only there were a company that put out so many different kinds of space marine that this was a silly sentiment to hold. Like, some of them could have fleshy bits and horns, another could be way into wings and blood, oh, another one could wear robes like they were monks or something! Then you'd have the guys in without any of these extra bits and just standing around in their armor, but then, that really would make people complaining because they want less viking in their space marine look so very silly.

I'm not sure how a terminator on a sled that affords extra mobility is "beyond dumb." This comment also implies there are things in 40k that are not beyond dumb or can talk, which is false.

[40kGamer]

Before even worrying about conversions, how about starting with a better paintjob? I think part of the problem is it's too blue, like Logan's auditioning for the Ultramarines or somesuch. Get it into the darker SW gray, and more appropriately weathered-bronze trim and it will look better. Not excellent, probably, but better.

I'm a fan of the pre heresy dark gray so that type of paint job would make me happy... but even from this little picture I see so many bitz possibilities that I'm excited to raid the kit.

[Pssyche]

Edit to add: Does anyone remember which first/second edition book the image of the camouflaged Space Wolves sitting in ambush was in?

I reckon you might mean this one.
It was in "Chapter Approved: The Second Book of the Astronomican".
It is used in the Campaign "The Wolf Time".

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[Veteran Sergeant]

The recent Space Wolf releases remind me of the scene in The Big Lebowski where they come outside of the bowling alley and the nihilists are waiting for them.


"Well, they finally did it. They killed my ****ing car."


RIP Space Wolves. There is literally nothing good left about them. The Thunderwolf Cavalry last time around were bad enough. The Wolfboat Clownshoe Gunship with a freeze ray... Good lord, where to even start with how awful that is, and well, Loganator on a Wolf Sled, that's just the nail in the coffin. The Space Wolves are ruined beyond repair.

[Deadlift]

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/7d42815e0e9ee574152c956cd50cb3f3.jpg

http://fromthewarp.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/how-to-paint-space-wolves-armour.html

There was a guy called Ron who used to post some great hobby tutorials, he's stepped away from blogging for awhile now but his blog is still a great resource for me. The above pic is his take on space wolves. A lot lighter than the norm but I really like it.

Or maybe the FW way, a bit lighter. Everyone has thier preference. Just like any army, build and paint it as you want.

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab3/joenortonjones/535329bfa1ca0b488127c8f62f6ffdb9.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

The recent Space Wolf releases remind me of the scene in The Big Lebowski where they come outside of the bowling alley and the nihilists are waiting for them.


"Well, they finally did it. They killed my ****ing car."


RIP Space Wolves. There is literally nothing good left about them. The Thunderwolf Cavalry last time around were bad enough. The Wolfboat Clownshoe Gunship with a freeze ray... Good lord, where to even start with how awful that is, and well, Loganator on a Wolf Sled, that's just the nail in the coffin. The Space Wolves are ruined beyond repair.

Damn all those spangly new models and their 100% compulsory, no option, field them or your opponent is legally obliged to beat you to death with a Ferret nature.

[redking]

People want less viking in their space marine. Not that hard to understand


As for me...id have like to have seen this as a fast attack unit that has 2-3 space marinecrew would match the thunderwolves better.

A terminator on this thing is just beyond dumb

Then DON"T play Space Wolves

[Veteran Sergeant]

Damn all those spangly new models and their 100% compulsory, no option, field them or your opponent is legally obliged to beat you to death with a Ferret nature.
Your immature, snarky reply is all well and good, but the reality is that the whole aesthetic of the game is important to how I enjoy it.

[Mr Mystery]

I thought it was quite wordy, and thus mature :p

Point still stands. None of the new stuff is compulsory. Power Armour and Terminator stuff can be toned down by mixing in the vanilla Space Wolf kits.

[Deadlift]

I thought it was quite wordy, and thus mature :p

Point still stands. None of the new stuff is compulsory. Power Armour and Terminator stuff can be toned down by mixing in the vanilla Space Marine kits.

Fixed that matey ;)

[Mr Mystery]

Aha! Spotted my deliberate mistake.......

[Deadlift]

Your far too subtle for me ;)

[Mr Mystery]

http://codeofthegentleman.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/Dick_Dastardly.jpg

[Matrias]

People want less viking in their space marine. Not that hard to understand



I want more vikings in my Space Marines. I suspect this kit will find and its audience among Space Wolves players like myself.

Non-Wolves fans were destined to hate it, but it's not FOR you.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I'm surprised at the duel kit choices - the dread having 2 characters rather than making up a new dread unit that can be repeated (like the Furioso), and the Grimnar kit being based around a character as opposed to being a generic unit too - or does it do that to and I've just missed the info?

[Mr Mystery]

Comes with Multi Melta and that Ice Cannon thingy as well. Also makes a Venerable.

So one assumes it now makes 4 types of Dread..... Venerable, Cackhanded, Murdergob, and Ancient Brother Generic. Assumption there is that Bjorn doesn't have the full gamut of weapon options.

[spud75]

I reckon you might mean this one.
It was in "Chapter Approved: The Second Book of the Astronomican".
It is used in the Campaign "The Wolf Time".

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No not that one, they were up high overlooking some orc buggies, but thanks for the reply!

[Pssyche]

How's about this little baby?


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No not that one, they were up high overlooking some orc buggies, but thanks for the reply!

[bfmusashi]

Man, I love this picture on so many levels. There's the nonsensical camo pattern, the perspective that kind of makes it look like they're making a super human pyramid, and there's the fact they brought their giant banner on a covert mission with them. May 40k never change!

[spud75]

How's about this little baby?


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That's the bad boy!

Same book?

[The Imperial Fist]

I don´t really understand people who say it´s ugly and doesn´t match with Space Wolves...

Why?

Space Wolves are mainly based in nordic gods and mythos, the Eddas, and all the Viking stuff.

Then, if Thor had a chariot like Logan´s, why isn´t fair for you?

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Well, there is belief that this was Victorian mistranslation. Modern belief is that it is a lot more likely that Vikings used sledges rather than chariots. There is debate as to whether the idea of Thor and his goat chariot is accurate or more Victorian nonsense.

That said, I'd like to see a better picture of the model, or preferably in the plastic before I make judgement on it. Could be good. Though I think the thrusters may have been a bad choice, anti-grav plates would have been better. If it has thrusters, why does it need the wolves? Will probably be quite good game wise though, will be interesting to see.

[The Imperial Fist]

Think I saw someone mention a Wolf Priest in TDA spotted in WD. Had a look, looks to me like the normal Chaplain Termie with a head swap and the pelt from the Wold Guard termie set.

[bfmusashi]

If it has thrusters, why does it need the wolves? Will probably be quite good game wise though, will be interesting to see. Because Logan let the dogs out.

[Pssyche]

That's the bad boy!

Same book?

It was in White Dwarf.
It can also be found in the Warhammer 40,000 Compendium, the one with the red cover which was a compilation of all the early 40K articles.

[Agramar]

Well,wolf priest on terminator armour in this pic looks a transformation:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/08/space-wolf-priest-terminator.html?showComment=1407074900518#c2325252 789268561044
nah,bad luck.Might be for another occasion.

[The Imperial Fist]

Well,wolf priest on terminator armour in this pic looks a transformation:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/08/space-wolf-priest-terminator.html?showComment=1407074900518#c2325252 789268561044
nah,bad luck.Might be for another occasion.

Yep, that was the one I was on about, looks far too much the TDA Chaplain to be a new model.

[Troll Factory]

Logan Grimnar on space chariot pulled by wolves?? my eyes broken... but on foot looks ok

[Angel Larraz]

Space Wolves Codex Previews

http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/

[Agramar]

Logan Grimnar on space chariot pulled by wolves?? my eyes broken... but on foot looks ok
Well look this:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/08/filtraciones-de-la-wdw-de-la-semana-que.html

No SW chaplain/Wolf Priest yet...and next Grey Knights,maybe?

[energongoodie]

http://i.imgur.com/eavCRWQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SIjsA6Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/45uWsxP.jpg

[Agramar]

At least,wolves have vaccines and are registred...
Look the ears XD

[40kGamer]

Santa Logan will be worth it for the bitz alone. I can't wait to pillage that kit like a proper viking!

[MarneusCalgar]

http://i.imgur.com/eavCRWQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SIjsA6Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/45uWsxP.jpg


Love that Chariot.

It´s a MUST HAVE!!

[Mr Mystery]

I can just imagine the reaction of enemies being charged by that Chariot....

CHRIST! RUN AWAY!!!!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Oh my. Oh my. I love this thing now.

[Chronowraith]

I can just imagine the reaction of enemies being charged by that Chariot....

CHRIST! RUN AWAY!!!!

That's only for those on the naughty list...

I'm not a fan of this. Space Wolves keep slipping a little bit further into the absurd with every new codex.

[Mr Mystery]

40k is absurd. It's one of the great joys of the game. It's not afraid to risk the cool/daft barrier. A barrier which is very much in the eye of the beholder.


Far better than po faced design ethos!

[40kGamer]

40k is absurd. It's one of the great joys of the game. It's not afraid to risk the cool/daft barrier. A barrier which is very much in the eye of the beholder.


Far better than po faced design ethos!

I remember when long time ork players were put off by the "new" serious, scary orks because they loved the goofy, fun loving RT era orks. This kit looks like it'll be fun to work with. Still have the urge to add more Wolves and make it into a proper Viking Sleigh. :)

[Bigred]

via Grot Orderly (http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2014/08/white-dwarf-28-przecieki-leaks.html)8-4-2014

White Dwarf 28

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[Mr Mystery]

I remember when long time ork players were put off by the "new" serious, scary orks because they loved the goofy, fun loving RT era orks. This kit looks like it'll be fun to work with. Still have the urge to add more Wolves and make it into a proper Viking Sleigh. :)

Dashing through your face, with an axe lodged in your spine.
Blowing up your Tanks, Grimnir's feeling fine!

[DrLove42]

A trip to Titan eh? Grey Knights.

Also 40k is absurd. Im currently painting a small unit of fungus gnomes armed with handguns larger than their torsos....

[Mr Mystery]

A trip to Titan eh? Grey Knights.

Also 40k is absurd. Im currently painting a small unit of fungus gnomes armed with handguns larger than their torsos....

Howay the Grots!

Must pick up more Grots. I love Grots me. GROTS!

And Grot Tanks. Because Grots. And Killa Kans. GROTS!

[Defenestratus]

That's only for those on the naughty list...

I'm not a fan of this. Space Wolves keep slipping a little bit further into the absurd with every new codex.

Run away?

Die laughing more likely.

If Gdub wanted to go for a norse/viking boat looking thing, they should have done it with the Stormwoof honestly. It would have fit in the whole "longboat" type imagery without being over the top ridiculous.

[Andrew Clive Early]

i want to buy 2 of these then make a Longship, maybe mix in the Landspeeder storm for parts and use it as some kinda assault transporter! Rape, pillage and Burn!

[Wolfshade]

The more I see the chariot the more I like it. The first time I saw it I thought it was a bad joke, now I am thinking, that's kinda cool

[JimmyWolf]

Run away?

Die laughing more likely.

If Gdub wanted to go for a norse/viking boat looking thing, they should have done it with the Stormwoof honestly. It would have fit in the whole "longboat" type imagery without being over the top ridiculous.

Well, killing someone with laughter is a totally viable tactic. I mean I laugh every time I see the Nightbringer (I mean the Grim Reaper IS ON THE BOARD PEOPLE!!), any of the old Phoenix Lord models, pretty much any Ork mechanised unit, Space Marines strapped in toddler reins to a giant mech, daemons whose hair defies the laws of physics, flying shrines, derpy mutant men with shotguns, Dante (seriously that guy is fabulous) and the Court of the Archon.

The game IS over the top ridiculous. Always has been.

[Deadlift]

The Champions of Fenris supplement is what I'm going for, that's what's got me chomping. Especially now the Great wolf has a decent model.

[40kGamer]

The Champions of Fenris supplement is what I'm going for, that's what's got me chomping. Especially now the Great wolf has a decent model.

I'm anxious to see what they offer with this supplement too! Also sounds like they will have a full history for the Great Wolf!

[Mr Mystery]

Kind of tempted to use Unbound to do a Seven Space Vikings army....Grimnir, Nigel, Roger, Eric, all the characters. As a single army.

[YourSwordisMine]

http://youtu.be/ApxnAr6pRt0



I am definitely starting a Space Wolf army because of this one model.

\m/ IT is total METAL! \m/

[JimmyWolf]

Kind of tempted to use Unbound to do a Seven Space Vikings army....Grimnir, Nigel, Roger, Eric, all the characters. As a single army.

Apperently the example formation in the Codex allows you to take 6 HQ choices, so you could feasibly get most of them in there.

But Roger is Sir Not Appearing in this Codex unfortunately. He never gets enough time.

[Andrew Clive Early]

all riding different things..... my imagination could melt all the ice on fenris right now, massive cybernetic beasts. almost a Marines version of Exodite knights.....?

[Mr Mystery]

But Roger is Sir Not Appearing in this Codex unfortunately. He never gets enough time.

Believe that when I see it!

[bfmusashi]

It just gets better with every reveal :)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I'm more surprised the kit doesnt seem to make a generic charriot unit, it's a very extensive kit for a single character. Previous models that made characters like Karl Franz also made generic versions so I'm somewhat surprised by this...not in a bad way way or anything, just surprised.

[daboarder]

Dashing through your face, with an axe lodged in your spine.
Blowing up your Tanks, Grimnir's feeling fine!

I actually chuckled at this

[MarneusCalgar]

What happens when a Space Puppies´s player like me gets the Space Pups´Codex into his hands?

I become CRAZYYYYYY, literally xDDDDD

Aaaaaaaand... SURPRISE!!

http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.com.es/2014/08/noticias-resumen-de-novedades-de-gw-ii.html

Pics are in spanish, but names in english, so enjoy yourselves

Only one advice: SPOILERS AHEAD!! Continue at your own risk





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[Pssyche]

Here comes Logan at 27 seconds in...


http://youtu.be/5QsRDpsItq0?t=27s

[The Imperial Fist]

No SW chaplain/Wolf Priest yet...and next Grey Knights,maybe?

No, think that's just a novel, can#t see them getting a release again before BA.

[skeletoro]

Awesome. You have the codex now? Omggggg more spoilers please, I will have your babies. Any chance on letting us know what Harald Deathwolf is like? Pics for new psychic powers? Have wolf scouts changed at all (I hear they lost Behind Enemy Lines, but did they gain anything?) can rune priests or wolf priests get thunderwolf mounts now? What about storm rider - can other wolf lords ride a chariot?

:)

[madlib]

Awesome. You have the codex now? Omggggg more spoilers please, I will have your babies. Any chance on letting us know what Harald Deathwolf is like? Pics for new psychic powers? Have wolf scouts changed at all (I hear they lost Behind Enemy Lines, but did they gain anything?) can rune priests or wolf priests get thunderwolf mounts now? What about storm rider - can other wolf lords ride a chariot?

:) thunderwolves and chariots are epic fail

[Matrias]

thunderwolves and chariots are epic fail

Not helpful to skeletoro nor relevant to his comment at all.

[daboarder]

I hope the Murderfang has the same crazed rules as helbrutes.....i mean its a chaos dreadnought by its fluff

[Cutter]

I'm more surprised the kit doesnt seem to make a generic charriot unit, it's a very extensive kit for a single character. Previous models that made characters like Karl Franz also made generic versions so I'm somewhat surprised by this...not in a bad way way or anything, just surprised.

I know what you mean, the Venerable Dreadnought kit is a fantastic example of utility, with three options out of the box, whereas this boils down to Logan mounted, Logan on foot.

On they other hand GW have discovered a way to charge probably about 40 quid for a single special character, or will Logan be available without his chariot?

[MarneusCalgar]

Awesome. You have the codex now? Omggggg more spoilers please, I will have your babies. Any chance on letting us know what Harald Deathwolf is like? Pics for new psychic powers? Have wolf scouts changed at all (I hear they lost Behind Enemy Lines, but did they gain anything?) can rune priests or wolf priests get thunderwolf mounts now? What about storm rider - can other wolf lords ride a chariot?

:)


Yes, today I will post more pics, including Harald´s profile xDDDD

[daboarder]

because remember folks, only the aliens/chaos lose characters ;)

[Mr Mystery]

To be fair, Space Wolves had all their character models already. Grimnir being redone is a bit odd though.

Wait for Necrons - for a short while, they were the only army with every unit available in model form without conversion. If they lose anyone, I'll squeak as well :)

[daboarder]

I doubt they will, Im just an irked chaos player, for two editions we have gone form the most character focused army to having close to the least (an the ones we do have are basically our equivalent of the loyalist chapter masters).

Mix in bitter Tyranids who lost more units, including characters, than they gained...and well....still hate GW

[MarneusCalgar]

seems someone has complained about us to GW, and they asked us to delete the pics... but I still have them in my pc. If you want them, please tell me

[ragnarcissist]

seems someone has complained about us to GW, and they asked us to delete the pics... but I still have them in my pc. If you want them, please tell me

PLEASE! need more, youre awesome dude thanks a ton!!!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I know what you mean, the Venerable Dreadnought kit is a fantastic example of utility, with three options out of the box, whereas this boils down to Logan mounted, Logan on foot.

On they other hand GW have discovered a way to charge probably about 40 quid for a single special character, or will Logan be available without his chariot?

It's a bit odd isn't it? It looks like the foot version is the same to the one on the chariot so it is probably all one kit - but my question would then be, if space wolf players take the foot version, what do they do with that massive leftover chariot? - It's a reverse of that tzeentch chariot, except in WD they did actually give rules to teh leftover giant flamer - except this time it's the chariot leftover. I'm sure I'm missing something here and my brain is just being stupid ;)

[Mr Mystery]

It's a bit odd isn't it? It looks like the foot version is the same to the one on the chariot so it is probably all one kit - but my question would then be, if space wolf players take the foot version, what do they do with that massive leftover chariot? - It's a reverse of that tzeentch chariot, except in WD they did actually give rules to teh leftover giant flamer - except this time it's the chariot leftover. I'm sure I'm missing something here and my brain is just being stupid ;)

From the top down shot - looks like you can just pop him in and out. There's a distinctly based sized looking piece where he stands.

[MarneusCalgar]

PLEASE! need more, youre awesome dude thanks a ton!!!

And all who wants them will have them...

I want only to share the knowledge with the hobby community, no intend to harm any company, and for GW more than any other... I am a Wolves´s player, and Ultramarines´s player, since 1995!

[bfmusashi]

because remember folks, only the aliens/chaos lose characters ;)

I think my Guardsmen lost quite a few in the transition to the new name.

[Wolfshade]

because remember folks, only the aliens/chaos lose characters ;)

BA lost Moriar?

Are you discounting things where rules exist and models don't, like Cluetin,

[Agramar]

BA lost Moriar?

Are you discounting things where rules exist and models don't, like Cluetin,

Berethor in DA,Ranulf or Durfast in SW f.i,....

[Eldar_Atog]

Don't almost all of the Space Wolf characters have models? Who would they be in danger of lossing?

[StraightSilver]

Oh God that chariot is awful......

Which is a shame as I really like the Logan Grimnar model on foot, but the chariot, no... just no....

However OMG the stats on it are insane!!!!

I don't speak Spanish but it looks like it gets a 4+ Inv save and has better armour than most other Marine vehicles (LR not included).

Plus as it's a Chariot it is rather tasty in CC.

I am gonna be so gutted when Logan "Father Xmas" Grimnar cuts me to pieces on the table top. I don't mind losing, but not to a Norse Gravy Boat......

[Matrias]

Don't almost all of the Space Wolf characters have models? Who would they be in danger of lossing?

God willing, Canis.

If they launched Thunderwolves with Harald's model - which i I think is excellent - Thunderwolves would have gone over a lot better with 'everything must be super-serious in 40k crowd.'

[MarneusCalgar]

God willing, Canis.

If they launched Thunderwolves with Harald's model - which i I think is excellent - Thunderwolves would have gone over a lot better with 'everything must be super-serious in 40k crowd.'

Believe me when I say, don´t fear for Canis, he is in xD

[Bigred]

Logan's Sled Rules!

Logan Grimnar

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A5 Ld10 Sv2+
Terminator Armor
Stormbolter
Belt of Russ

Counterattack
Eternal Warrior
Independent Character
Stubborn
Acute Senses
Fearless

Saga of Majesty

Stormrider +70pts


Stormrider:

BS:3 AV: 12/12/12 HP3
Vehicle, Chariot, Opened-top

There is also chatter that Stormrider grants a 4+ invulnerable.

[Feldi]

Thank you MarneusCalgar for that juicy stuff you have :D !

Is there a chance that you could show me the profiles and rules for Harald and Canis?
Iám a big fan of his company and I really would like to know how those two support each other ^^ .

[BHound1981]

I think it's time we let go of wanting things to look slick or realistic and give in to the cartoonish absurdity that has befallen the 40K universe. To that I say GET LOGAN A BIGGER SLED!

[The Imperial Fist]

And all who wants them will have them...

I want only to share the knowledge with the hobby community, no intend to harm any company, and for GW more than any other... I am a Wolves´s player, and Ultramarines´s player, since 1995!
Yes please, I'm impatient and can't wait the few days until Saturday when mine turns up! lol

[MarneusCalgar]

Hope to have aid you propetly with that impatience xDDDD

[Bigred]

via 40kings.de (http://www.40kings.de/2014/08/space-wolves-regeln-warlord-traits-psikraefte-bcms-relikte/) (and google Translate)


Force Org:

At least 2 HQ, - maximum of 6 HQ (!)
Additional possibility to make units

Warlord traits:

-Reroll hits in a challenge
-Relentlessly for (complete) beasts and cavalry units of the Wolves, who within 12 around the Warlord these units Furious Charge
-Monster Hunter
-FNP 6 + for Warlord and unit
-Flank attack and cover for Warlord
-Repeat 12 inch radius MW and pinning

Wargear:

-Helfrost weapons in various versions: with wound strength test / death
-Blizzard shield (for Dreadnoughts): Melee weapon, 3 + ward against all hits against the front (also in NK)
-Rune Weapons: How Psiwaffen with Adamantener will

Relics:

-Bite of Fenris: Bolter with Helfrost
-Helm Durfast: reroll to hit, shooting attacks have ignore cover
-Armor of Russ: 2 + / 4 + +, ini opponents in challenge -5
-The Black Death: +2 S, DS2, melee, unwieldy, +3 attacks when more enemy models in melee
-Wulfestein: have support and unit Furious Charge, Carrier has Berserk

Psychic Powers:

-Living Lightning (Primary) / WC1: 18 inches Hexenfeuer, S7 DS, Storm 3, shock = at goal from 6 two additional hit, except for snapshots
-Stormbringer / WC1: Blessing, veils for psykers and unit
-Storm rage / WC1: curse unit in 18 inches, 1BF, open as difficult terrain, all jump infantry, slider, etc. antigrav must immediately remove test for dangerous terrain if affected.
-Murderous Hurricane / WC2: 18 inches Hexenfeuer, S4 DS, 5 inch template, Rending, Storm 1
-Fury of the wolf spirits / WC2: 18 inches Hexenfeuer, both profiles are shot in any order, S6 DS-4 storm, S5 DS2 Storm 2, precise
-Maw / WC2: 18 inches focused Hexenfeuer, a model (not monstrous) makes Initest / death

Björn:

KG 6, BF6, 13/13/10, reverend
Assault Cannon
5 + +
+1 On Iniklau
May swap weapons

Ulrik the Slayer:

145 points
KG 6, ini 5, 3 attacks
are unit 6 + FNP
nemesis is within 6 inches
Are adamant within 12 inches

Get on in there and help out you german speakers...

[Unionfootball067]

Going over the grey Hunter options... They 're 14 points base with Bolter and pistol but can add a ccw for 2 points... There isn't a mark of the wulfen option

Credit to MarneusCalgar

[skeletoro]

Unless MOTW is in the mêlée weapons section of the wargear list?

[The Imperial Fist]

6 HQ? And I'd thought 4 was good in the past. Send forth the heroes!

[Unionfootball067]

Unless MOTW is in the mêlée weapons section of the wargear list?

i checked and didnt see it... i did see anti air missiles for long fangs though

[Ravingbantha]

I know what you mean, the Venerable Dreadnought kit is a fantastic example of utility, with three options out of the box, whereas this boils down to Logan mounted, Logan on foot.

On they other hand GW have discovered a way to charge probably about 40 quid for a single special character, or will Logan be available without his chariot?

I cant imagine this is a single use model, it's such a very limited need piece. Aside from some conversion uses, only space wolf players that want to run logan, and then only one will be bought. The new Wolf Dreadnought however has 3-4 possible uses, thus enticing players to buy more then one, same for the new flyer. In fact, you would have to go quite a ways back to find a new unit that was only a single option/use box set.

[skeletoro]

Umm, are we both working of marneus' pics? None of the pics I saw had the mêlée weapons list...

[The Imperial Fist]

I cant imagine this is a single use model, it's such a very limited need piece. Aside from some conversion uses, only space wolf players that want to run logan, and then only one will be bought. The new Wolf Dreadnought however has 3-4 possible uses, thus enticing players to buy more then one, same for the new flyer. In fact, you would have to go quite a ways back to find a new unit that was only a single option/use box set.

That makes a lot of sense. That's a single £40 for each Space Wolf player who doesn't have an old Logan and/or wants the new one, from which they need to recoup design and production costs as well as make a profit. Thinking that way, may well be likely we see it has a second use.

[DarkLink]

Is this where Barney Stinson steps in and says "haaaave you met my friend Operation Icestorm (http://infinitythegame.com/store/imagenes/articulos/280006-0485_2.jpg)?"

- - - Updated - - -

The santa sled is pretty funny, though.

[ragnarcissist]

RIP mark of the wulfen, you will be missed by this old long fang. :(

[daboarder]

I think my Guardsmen lost quite a few in the transition to the new name.


BA lost Moriar?

Are you discounting things where rules exist and models don't, like Cluetin,

I had actually forgotten about that...poor moriar

[Charon]

Force Org:

At least 2 HQ, - maximum of 6 HQ (!)
Possibility to let units flank

Warlord traits:

-Reroll "to hit" in a challenge
-Stubborn for units completely consisting of Space Wolves beasts/cavalry, these units also gain Furious Charge if within 12" of the Warlord
-Monster Hunter
-FNP 6 + for Warlord and unit
-Flank attack and stealth for Warlord
-rerollt MW and pinning tests in 12" around the Warlord

Wargear:

-Helfrost weapons in various versions: if wounded -> strength test, if it is failed -> death
-Blizzard shield (for Dreadnoughts): Melee weapon, 3 ++ against all hits to the front (also works in close combat)
-Rune Weapons: Like Psiweapons, also gives adamant will

Relics:

-Bite of Fenris: Bolter with Helfrost
-Helm Durfast: reroll "to hit", shooting attacks have ignore cover
-Armor of Russ: 2 + / 4 + +, opponents in challenge -5 ini
-The Black Death: +2 S, AP2, melee, unwieldy, +3 attacks when outnumbered
-Wulfestein: bearer and unit gain Furious Charge, bearer also gains Berserk

Psychic Powers:

-Living Lightning (Primary) / WC1: 18" Witchfire, S7 AP-, Assault 3, shock = on to hit rolls of 6, two additional hits are created, except for snapshots
-Stormbringer / WC1: Blessing, Shrouded for psyker and unit
-Storm rage / WC1: curse unit in 18", -1BS, open ground treated as difficult terrain, all jump infantry, jet pack, etc. antigrav must immediately roll a test for dangerous terrain if affected.
-Murderous Hurricane / WC2: 18" Witchfire, S4 AP-, 5" Blast, Rending, Assault 1
-Fury of the wolf spirits / WC2: 18" Witchfire, both profiles are shot in any order, S6 AP- assault 4, S5 DS2 assault 2, precise
-Maw / WC2: 18" focused Witchfire, a model (not MC) makes Initest / death

Björn:
WS6, BS6, 13/13/10, venerable
Assault Cannon
5 + +
+1 to seize the Initiative
May swap weapons

Ulrik the Slayer:

145 points
BF6, ini 5, 3 attacks
he and his unit gain 6 + FNP
Prefered Enemy within 6"
Stubborn within 12"



Fixed it

[Cutter]

I had actually forgotten about that...poor moriar

Perhaps he'll make a triumphant return, if we take the SW Venerable Dreadnought box as a hint of things to come?

[RGilbert26]

Fixed it

Not really, still has bad translations and German abbreviations such as KG6?

[rapid87]

Quote Originally Posted by Bigred View Post
Force Org:

At least 2 HQ, - maximum of 6 HQ (!)
Possibility to let units flank

Warlord traits:

-Reroll to hit in a challenge
-Stubborn for units completely consisting of Space Wolves beasts/cavalry, these units also gain Furious Charge if within 12" of the Warlord
-Monster Hunter
-FNP 6 + for Warlord and unit
-Flank attack and stealth for Warlord
-rerollt MW and pinning tests in 12" around the Warlord

Wargear:

-Helfrost weapons in various versions: if wounded -> strength test, if it is failed -> death
-Blizzard shield (for Dreadnoughts): Melee weapon, 3 ++ against all hits to the front (also works in close combat)
-Rune Weapons: Like Psiweapons with adamant will

Relics:

-Bite of Fenris: Bolter with Helfrost
-Helm Durfast: reroll to hit, shooting attacks have ignore cover
-Armor of Russ: 2 + / 4 + +, opponents in challenge -5 ini
-The Black Death: +2 S, DS2, melee, unwieldy, +3 attacks when outnumbered
-Wulfestein: bearer and unit gain Furious Charge, bearer also gains Berserk

Psychic Powers:

-Living Lightning (Primary) / WC1: 18" Witchfire, S7 DS-, Assault 3, shock = on to hit rolls on the roll of a 6 two additional hits are created, except for snapshots
-Stormbringer / WC1: Blessing, Shrouded for psyker and unit
-Storm rage / WC1: curse unit in 18", -1BS, open treated as difficult terrain, all jump infantry, jet pack, etc. antigrav must immediately roll a test for dangerous terrain if affected.
-Murderous Hurricane / WC2: 18" Witchfire, S4 DS-, 5" Blast, Rending, Assault 1
-Fury of the wolf spirits / WC2: 18" Witchfire, both profiles are shot in any order, S6 DS- assault 4, S5 DS2 assault 2, precise
-Maw / WC2: 18" focused Witchfire, a model (not MC) makes Initest / death

Björn:

WS 6, BS 6, 13/13/10, venerable
Assault Cannon
5 + +
+1 to seize the Initiative
May swap weapons

Ulrik the Slayer:

145 points
WS 6, ini 5, 3 attacks
he and his unit gain 6 + FNP
Prefered Enemy within 6"
Stubborn within 12"

Fixed it

Original credit goes to Bigred

Changed the stats to the english ones.

[Cutter]

That makes a lot of sense. That's a single £40 for each Space Wolf player who doesn't have an old Logan and/or wants the new one, from which they need to recoup design and production costs as well as make a profit. Thinking that way, may well be likely we see it has a second use.

I hope so, it would be a shame to see it relegated to being Logan's exclusive pimp-wagon. Personally I'm hoping for a WD article or dataslate that give full rules for the helper eldar in their bell toed slippers handing out special rules to passing units from their enormous sack of buffs.

:-)

[Charon]

Not really, still has bad translations and German abbreviations such as KG6?

Thanks for pointing that out, I promise I wont try to help again

[DWest]

I could see converting the boat into a Javelin Attack Speeder (IA 2, relic landspeeder of insanity)- yes, it doesn't have quite the same shape as a Javelin, but with all the bling, especially the engraved epics on the sides, it certainly has the look of something that's been in the hands of the techmarines (iron priests?) for 10k years.

[daboarder]

Perhaps he'll make a triumphant return, if we take the SW Venerable Dreadnought box as a hint of things to come?

Doubt it, no kit, no rules....Same reason why Chaos and Tyranids are screwed till the philosophy changes. Each new edition will spend its "kit allowance" releasing whatever the new thing for armies as, ie: fliers/ Big kit. and wont actually address the pitiful lack of options certain units are stuck with, because those options wont be added until a new kit is

[Steven Palmer]

Why would anyone want him on the chariot anyway-he die alot quicker on it then he will on foot- 3 glances and he's dead-and he can't issue challenges on it

[40kGamer]

Why would anyone want him on the chariot anyway-he die alot quicker on it then he will on foot- 3 glances and he's dead-and he can't issue challenges on it

I've never used a chariot mount in 40k but the Necron guys were super excited over the 7th edition rules changes for them. I'm not sold on it but will at least give it a try.

[rapid87]

Why would anyone want him on the chariot anyway-he die alot quicker on it then he will on foot- 3 glances and he's dead-and he can't issue challenges on it

Dont know how it is with the SW one, but the Necron chariot can choose if shooting attacks are hitting the vehicle or the driver and it can issue challenges

[Bigred]

Pretty much all the Space Wolves beans have been spilled here: (http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2014/08/spanish-space-wolves-codex-przecieki.html)

Grot Orderly has up a TON of stuff, go look and come back!

[Demonus]

Dont know how it is with the SW one, but the Necron chariot can choose if shooting attacks are hitting the vehicle or the driver and it can issue challenges

Yep but opponent choose in cc though (vs front armor). If it is again treated as 1 model I believe it would get the 4++. Disappointing that Jaws seems kinda pointless (it was a Riptide killer) and Wulfen are gone (I have 2 painted ones in my models)

[40kGamer]

Interesting. Bjorn looks to be just regular HQ and not a LOW. Also looks like Wolftooth necklace and Wolf Tail Talismans are gone.

[HsojVvad]

Pretty much all the Space Wolves beans have been spilled here: (http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2014/08/spanish-space-wolves-codex-przecieki.html)

Grot Orderly has up a TON of stuff, go look and come back!

And basically translated on Dakka for us poor english only readers. :P Not sure if I can give link or not.

[MarneusCalgar]

Pretty much all the Space Wolves beans have been spilled here: (http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2014/08/spanish-space-wolves-codex-przecieki.html)

Grot Orderly has up a TON of stuff, go look and come back!


Yes, he posted my pics (he asked for them, you can see Taberna´s watermark xDDD)

Fortunately GW didn´t write him as they did with us

[Ang56]

that outflank FoC seems crazy good, pay the min troops tax (suicide melta scouts maybe), stick the rest of troops in a Obj secured chart. I dunno, outflanking melta dreads or any dread, bikes, vindicators even seems really awesome to me. Just being able to outflank anything in the book really. Tho I'd keep it as troop light as I could. Stick them in the other FoC with OS. Puts those acute senses to work as well.

Unless I'm wrong about what that chart does.

or min size suicide blood claws since they are cheaper? then scouts. tho scouts would be better for maybe cracking a vehicle or something I guess.

[The Imperial Fist]

Interesting. Bjorn looks to be just regular HQ and not a LOW. Also looks like Wolftooth necklace and Wolf Tail Talismans are gone.

Agreed, only LoW is Logan

[daboarder]

Do we have that confirmed?

[The Imperial Fist]

Do we have that confirmed?

If Amos De La Guerra is Lord of War then yes.

[daboarder]

Ok

[The Imperial Fist]

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[Erik Setzer]

that outflank FoC seems crazy good, pay the min troops tax (suicide melta scouts maybe), stick the rest of troops in a Obj secured chart. I dunno, outflanking melta dreads or any dread, bikes, vindicators even seems really awesome to me. Just being able to outflank anything in the book really. Tho I'd keep it as troop light as I could. Stick them in the other FoC with OS. Puts those acute senses to work as well.

Since neither the formation nor the detachment grant Objective Secured, you won't get it with your Troops. In order to get the rules for either of those, they can't be in a Combined Arms Detachment, which means you don't get ObjSec. This is the same thing Ork players have to deal with using their detachments and formations.

[The Imperial Fist]

Since neither the formation nor the detachment grant Objective Secured, you won't get it with your Troops. In order to get the rules for either of those, they can't be in a Combined Arms Detachment, which means you don't get ObjSec. This is the same thing Ork players have to deal with using their detachments and formations.

We don't know that for sure yet. It may state in the codex it's an amendment for the Combined Arms Detachment and does get objective secured. From the photo I have, it mentions something about being an exception to the force org chart.

[MarneusCalgar]

If Amos De La Guerra is Lord of War then yes.


Indeed it is. Amos de la Guerra means Lords of War xDDDD

[40kGamer]

Indeed it is. Amos de la Guerra means Lords of War xDDDD

This serious of leaks made me wish I hadn't let my Spanish language skills lapse. I can understand just enough to be confused and dangerous! :)

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If Amos De La Guerra is Lord of War then yes.

Also the leaked unit entry page picture for Bjorn has the HQ symbol in the upper corner. I'm not loving the mini Lords of War competing for the same slot as a Titan so I was happy about this.

[bfmusashi]

The best part is the Spanish names are almost all better than the English, especially for the Tau boxes. You could have a Riptide, or you can have EL CATACLYSMO!!!

[This Dave]

The best part is the Spanish names are almost all better than the English, especially for the Tau boxes. You could have a Riptide, or you can have EL CATACLYSMO!!!

I like some of the German names myself. My Ork Deff Dread is called Gargbot because of this. :)

[JimmyWolf]

I like some of the German names myself. My Ork Deff Dread is called Gargbot because of this. :)

I'm also a fan of the German names, mostly because when I was younger my godmother from Lichstenstein used to ask what I wanted for birthdays and Christmas, so I learnt a few of them so I could write an email in German to her. Fond memories of a time when asking for a Warhammer model didn't feel like bankrupting your close friends and family.

[Al Shut]

Makes me sad that GW has stopped translating the names :(

[Erik Setzer]

We don't know that for sure yet. It may state in the codex it's an amendment for the Combined Arms Detachment and does get objective secured. From the photo I have, it mentions something about being an exception to the force org chart.

Depends on what you're talking about. The detachment in Codex: Space Wolves is just a new FOC, which you can use instead of the Combined Arms Detachment. The formation is a detachment that doesn't use a FOC; it tells you what models to use, and they are bought as a detachment. You can't buy models in a formation and claim they count as part of a separate detachment to get them bonus abilities.

With Orks, you can choose the basic Combined Arms Detachment and get ObjSec; or you can take the Horde Detachment, get +1 HQ and +3 Troops slots and the Hammer of Wrath rule if you roll a long enough charge; or you can take the Great Waaagh! Detachment, get +2 Elites and +2 Troops and get a chance to have random units with Deep Strike. With the Space Wolves, you can either opt for the CAD, or you can use the Space Wolf detachment, get +4 HQ, and get a chance to have random units with Outflank. You're choosing whether you want "super-scoring" Troops or more options on the FOC and some other kind of special rule.

Formations are their own thing. You buy the stuff in the formation, that's a detachment on its own, it tells you what the models in that formation get. I.e. if I buy Mogrok's group from Sanctus Reach, none of those five characters can count as the minimum for buying a CAD, Horde Detachment, or Great Waaagh! Detachment (meaning your army can then have 6 to 8 characters; but those five in the formation won't have any special rules from the detachment, and vice versa).

It's a perfectly fair trade-off. Lose one set of special rules to gain another. If you want ObjSec, you just limit how many HQs you can have to 2 and skip on the Outflank rule.

[The Imperial Fist]

Depends on what you're talking about. The detachment in Codex: Space Wolves is just a new FOC, which you can use instead of the Combined Arms Detachment. The formation is a detachment that doesn't use a FOC; it tells you what models to use, and they are bought as a detachment. You can't buy models in a formation and claim they count as part of a separate detachment to get them bonus abilities.

With Orks, you can choose the basic Combined Arms Detachment and get ObjSec; or you can take the Horde Detachment, get +1 HQ and +3 Troops slots and the Hammer of Wrath rule if you roll a long enough charge; or you can take the Great Waaagh! Detachment, get +2 Elites and +2 Troops and get a chance to have random units with Deep Strike. With the Space Wolves, you can either opt for the CAD, or you can use the Space Wolf detachment, get +4 HQ, and get a chance to have random units with Outflank. You're choosing whether you want "super-scoring" Troops or more options on the FOC and some other kind of special rule.

Formations are their own thing. You buy the stuff in the formation, that's a detachment on its own, it tells you what the models in that formation get. I.e. if I buy Mogrok's group from Sanctus Reach, none of those five characters can count as the minimum for buying a CAD, Horde Detachment, or Great Waaagh! Detachment (meaning your army can then have 6 to 8 characters; but those five in the formation won't have any special rules from the detachment, and vice versa).

It's a perfectly fair trade-off. Lose one set of special rules to gain another. If you want ObjSec, you just limit how many HQs you can have to 2 and skip on the Outflank rule.

You're still just making an assumption, albiet an educated one from Codex Orks, but still an assumption. Until we see the codex in English, we don't know there isn't something in there saying they get it.

[40kGamer]

You're still just making an assumption, albiet an educated one from Codex Orks, but still an assumption. Until we see the codex in English, we don't know there isn't something in there saying they get it.

Now I'm anxious to see if we lose object secured to get the bonus HQs... That will suck!

[DiceCommanderDaemon]

I lnked it in the paint section, but there's a new vid for your GK coming soon (tomorrow) officially; unofficially a redditor posted it here (http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/2cvvv9/gw_space_wolves_painting_guide/) if you want an early look. VERY well done. Vidya (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKdzNh1JGE4)

[Matrias]

Now I'm anxious to see if we lose object secured to get the bonus HQs... That will suck!

That is the case, but if you want both objective secured and multiple HQs you can just take multiple detachments.

[MarneusCalgar]

I finally managed to get my codex today!

So I accept a Q&A time xD

[40kGamer]

I finally managed to get my codex today!

So I accept a Q&A time xD

Now I'm jealous! :p

[Gir]

The best part is the Spanish names are almost all better than the English, especially for the Tau boxes. You could have a Riptide, or you can have EL CATACLYSMO!!!

I love the Italian Genestealers: Genoraptors.

[daboarder]

thought you had it before? wasnt that waht you said a few pages back?

[MarneusCalgar]

thought you had it before? wasnt that waht you said a few pages back?

I had the early pics a friend of mine let me do to HIS codex copy... but now I bought it on my own xDDDD

[daboarder]

Fair enough. Congratulations. I have to wait for mine to come from the uk

[LotrCrown]

I have a question :) what's the unit size, cost and storm shield cost to thunder wolf riders ?

[LotrCrown]

Is it true thunder wolf riders are now in units of 6 ? And can they have a wolf guard upgrade like the other units ?

[The Imperial Fist]

I notice the Logan kit is just the one model. :-/

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Of course. Personally, I hope more of the Chapter Masters get this sort of treatment: Calgar already has his special box with the Honour Guard, now Grimnar has Stormrunner. The titanic legends of the Space Marines deserve to have really cool centrepiece models, don't you think?

Lord knows what they'll do for Dante, if anything.

Also, is it just me, or is the Space Wolves Enhanced Edition Codex not available on iBooks at the moment?

[The Sovereign]

Also, is it just me, or is the Space Wolves Enhanced Edition Codex not available on iBooks at the moment?

Yeah, same for everyone. Unfortunately another one of GW's less than smooth releases. It'll be available at some point today, I'm sure.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Hopefully; the ebook versions just aren't worth bothering with. I remember the foulup with Codex: Space Marines, too.

[Cutter]

Murderfang still weaponless in the epub version, same story in the actual printed book?

[MajorWesJanson]

Murderfang still weaponless in the epub version, same story in the actual printed book?

His weapons are a relic, so in a separate boxout in the dead tree version.

[The Imperial Fist]

I'm a bit confused (happens quite easily...) I notice Logan has a warlord trait. Now, he's a Lord of War. So unless I've missed something somewhere, he can't be the Warlord, and therefore having a warlord trait is pointless? Unless I've missed something somewhere and he can be? Or do all SW characters with a warlord trait/saga get to use it whether the warlord or not?

[AlexRae]

I'm a bit confused (happens quite easily...) I notice Logan has a warlord trait. Now, he's a Lord of War. So unless I've missed something somewhere, he can't be the Warlord, and therefore having a warlord trait is pointless? Unless I've missed something somewhere and he can be? Or do all SW characters with a warlord trait/saga get to use it whether the warlord or not?

Any 'Character' can be your Warlord. Before Ghazgkull and Logan, no Lord Of War was a Character.